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Revisiting the AR-15

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  • @vaportrail said:

    And responsible gun owners aren't going on mass rampages at the mall either. An individual's choice regarding self-defense isn't going to directly affect you (generally). The government shouldn't punish law-abiding citizens for the actions of criminals. 

    Mississippi Board of Education just took the first step today and allowed teachers to carry. This is a first step, albeit one you don't like. I believe all of us are on the same page in saying that we want to see a reduction in all gun crime. No one is saying that the problem of mass shootings is now solved. They're still going to happen. This will hopefully be a deterrent that makes schools less attractive targets for mass shooters. 

    But the potential for an individual to cause mass harm and death exists with a gun but not with a cigarette. Ultimately, my internal calculus on personal freedom changes given the potential harm that freedom can cause to others. 

    No, I don't think allowing teachers to carry really does anything. At worst, it will make people complacent in thinking they solved the problem and it will only delay actual improvements. Fundamentally we agree on the outcome we want, but disagree on how to get there. 

    @mld-woody said:

    But the potential for an individual to cause mass harm and death exists with a gun but not with a cigarette. Ultimately, my internal calculus on personal freedom changes given the potential harm that freedom can cause to others. 

    Potential for mass harm and death is where you draw the line?

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  • @mld-woody said:

    But the potential for an individual to cause mass harm and death exists with a gun but not with a cigarette. Ultimately, my internal calculus on personal freedom changes given the potential harm that freedom can cause to others. 

    Potential for mass harm and death is where you draw the line?

    @vaportrail said:

    Potential for mass harm and death is where you draw the line?

    I think it is a potential harm vs potential benefit equation (before I hear about how cars, planes, etc. can kill a lot of people).

  • @vaportrail said:

    And responsible gun owners aren't going on mass rampages at the mall either. An individual's choice regarding self-defense isn't going to directly affect you (generally). The government shouldn't punish law-abiding citizens for the actions of criminals. 

    Mississippi Board of Education just took the first step today and allowed teachers to carry. This is a first step, albeit one you don't like. I believe all of us are on the same page in saying that we want to see a reduction in all gun crime. No one is saying that the problem of mass shootings is now solved. They're still going to happen. This will hopefully be a deterrent that makes schools less attractive targets for mass shooters. 

    But the potential for an individual to cause mass harm and death exists with a gun but not with a cigarette. Ultimately, my internal calculus on personal freedom changes given the potential harm that freedom can cause to others. 

    No, I don't think allowing teachers to carry really does anything. At worst, it will make people complacent in thinking they solved the problem and it will only delay actual improvements. Fundamentally we agree on the outcome we want, but disagree on how to get there. 

    @mld-woody said:

    But the potential for an individual to cause mass harm and death exists with a gun but not with a cigarette. Ultimately, my internal calculus on personal freedom changes given the potential harm that freedom can cause to others. 

    No, I don't think allowing teachers to carry really does anything. At worst, it will make people complacent in thinking they solved the problem and it will only delay actual improvements. Fundamentally we agree on the outcome we want, but disagree on how to get there. 

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  • They probably want to ban muzzle loaders

  • @mld-woody said:

    We've enacted laws that address the issue of second hand smoke. Other than that, an individual's choice regarding smoking isn't going to directly affect you (generally). No one is going on a mass second hand smoke rampage at a mall. 

    Unless you're speaking towards someone making a choice that is better in the short term that inevitably hurts them long term. 

    And responsible gun owners aren't going on mass rampages at the mall either. An individual's choice regarding self-defense isn't going to directly affect you (generally). The government shouldn't punish law-abiding citizens for the actions of criminals. 

    And this isn't so much about focusing more on short term fixes than long term, it's that we aren't focusing at all on actual long term improvements. It isn't "arm everyone now and then we'll look at these other measures". It's "arm everyone now and then problem solved". 

    This improvement process has to start with a first step and that first step isn't going to solve everything magically overnight. But we refuse to even take that first step. 

    Mississippi Board of Education just took the first step today and removed the ban on teachers carrying firearms. This is a first step, albeit one you don't like. I believe all of us are on the same page in saying that we want to see a reduction in all gun crime. No one is saying that the problem of mass shootings is now solved. They're still going to happen. This will hopefully be a deterrent that makes schools less attractive targets for mass shooters. 

    @vaportrail said:

    And responsible gun owners aren't going on mass rampages at the mall either. An individual's choice regarding self-defense isn't going to directly affect you (generally). The government shouldn't punish law-abiding citizens for the actions of criminals. 

    Mississippi Board of Education just took the first step today and removed the ban on teachers carrying firearms. This is a first step, albeit one you don't like. I believe all of us are on the same page in saying that we want to see a reduction in all gun crime. No one is saying that the problem of mass shootings is now solved. They're still going to happen. This will hopefully be a deterrent that makes schools less attractive targets for mass shooters. 

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  • simple point - "a knife caused" this mentally messed up attacker to go after a REP gov candidate, Lee Zeldin - NY, because knives are so easy to buy":

    https://www.theblaze.com/news/stab-attack-lee-zeldin-ny

    @calfoxwc said:

    simple point - "a knife caused" this mentally messed up attacker to go after a REP gov candidate, Lee Zeldin - NY, because knives are so easy to buy":

    https://www.theblaze.com/news/stab-attack-lee-zeldin-ny

    Not to mention the countless Smiths that can make their own knives... Whose gonna stop them...

  • AR-15 =Red Herring. 

    WSS

  • I wonder if Woody owns a knife. Knives are so easy to get, you know.

    If he does, I sure hope that knife doesn't force him to kill somebody with it.

  • I wonder if Woody owns a knife. Knives are so easy to get, you know.

    If he does, I sure hope that knife doesn't force him to kill somebody with it.

    @calfoxwc said:

    I wonder if Woody owns a knife. Knives are so easy to get, you know.

    If he does, I sure hope that knife doesn't force him to kill somebody with it.

    I have a few knives... I'm a collector and am a Bushcraft hiker...

  • @calfoxwc said:

    I wonder if Woody owns a knife. Knives are so easy to get, you know.

    If he does, I sure hope that knife doesn't force him to kill somebody with it.

    I have a few knives... I'm a collector and am a Bushcraft hiker...

    @nickers said:

    I have a few knives... I'm a collector and am a Bushcraft hiker...

    I'm a Camelbak hiker and a Ruger 9mm toter, unlike all you Brokeback hikers with knives hanging out.?

  • It's legal to conceal carry a weapon in the National Parks as long as it is legal in the State in which they are located.  

  • @nickers said:

    I have a few knives... I'm a collector and am a Bushcraft hiker...

    I'm a Camelbak hiker and a Ruger 9mm toter, unlike all you Brokeback hikers with knives hanging out.?

    @texasag1969 said:

    I'm a Camelbak hiker and a Ruger 9mm toter, unlike all you Brokeback hikers with knives hanging out.?

    Does that mean you have a camel toe?

  • @texasag1969 said:

    I'm a Camelbak hiker and a Ruger 9mm toter, unlike all you Brokeback hikers with knives hanging out.?

    Does that mean you have a camel toe?

    @nickers said:

    Does that mean you have a camel toe?

    Only if I can get one to hike with me, preferably from Nero's country which is close to Venezuela for having some of the most beautiful women in the world.?

  • It's legal to conceal carry a weapon in the National Parks as long as it is legal in the State in which they are located.  

    @diehardbrownsfan1 said:

    It's legal to conceal carry a weapon in the National Parks as long as it is legal in the State in which they are located.  

    Yes, it is and that is why I will continue to keep my LTC in force since I hike Colorado's RMNP every year. Colorado and Texas have reciprocity, but only Texas lets you carry without a license now. I'll just keep it since I don't want to encounter a mama bear who takes a shine to me as a potential threat to the little ones. Out in the wilds I make racket with my walking stick up against trees so they don't get surprised and have plenty of time to get away.

  • @nickers said:

    Does that mean you have a camel toe?

    Only if I can get one to hike with me, preferably from Nero's country which is close to Venezuela for having some of the most beautiful women in the world.?

    @texasag1969 said:

    Only if I can get one to hike with me, preferably from Nero's country which is close to Venezuela for having some of the most beautiful women in the world.?

    You're alright man ?

  • @diehardbrownsfan1 said:

    It's legal to conceal carry a weapon in the National Parks as long as it is legal in the State in which they are located.  

    Yes, it is and that is why I will continue to keep my LTC in force since I hike Colorado's RMNP every year. Colorado and Texas have reciprocity, but only Texas lets you carry without a license now. I'll just keep it since I don't want to encounter a mama bear who takes a shine to me as a potential threat to the little ones. Out in the wilds I make racket with my walking stick up against trees so they don't get surprised and have plenty of time to get away.

    @texasag1969 said:

    Yes, it is and that is why I will continue to keep my LTC in force since I hike Colorado's RMNP every year. Colorado and Texas have reciprocity, but only Texas lets you carry without a license now. I'll just keep it since I don't want to encounter a mama bear who takes a shine to me as a potential threat to the little ones. Out in the wilds I make racket with my walking stick up against trees so they don't get surprised and have plenty of time to get away.

    My pal up in Alaska would tell you your 9mm isn't going to stop a bear. First time up North, I brought along my .357 python for just that reason. Bernie just laughed at me...  Said, "you're only going to piss the bear off".  Alaska way, if you want to have any hope of stopping a bear, folks up there carry a .44 magnum for a sidearm.  🙂 

  • @texasag1969 said:

    Yes, it is and that is why I will continue to keep my LTC in force since I hike Colorado's RMNP every year. Colorado and Texas have reciprocity, but only Texas lets you carry without a license now. I'll just keep it since I don't want to encounter a mama bear who takes a shine to me as a potential threat to the little ones. Out in the wilds I make racket with my walking stick up against trees so they don't get surprised and have plenty of time to get away.

    My pal up in Alaska would tell you your 9mm isn't going to stop a bear. First time up North, I brought along my .357 python for just that reason. Bernie just laughed at me...  Said, "you're only going to piss the bear off".  Alaska way, if you want to have any hope of stopping a bear, folks up there carry a .44 magnum for a sidearm.  🙂 

    @hoorta said:

    My pal up in Alaska would tell you your 9mm isn't going to stop a bear. First time up North, I brought along my .357 python for just that reason. Bernie just laughed at me...  Said, "you're only going to piss the bear off".  Alaska way, if you want to have any hope of stopping a bear, folks up there carry a .44 magnum for a sidearm.  🙂 

    I don't know the numbers but it would be my guest that maybe one in 10,000 people who own a 9 mm or a 44 Magnum or a 357 Magnum or an AR-15 have ever even seen a bear and among that small number maybe 01% have ever had reason to be threatened by said bear. Just a guess.

    ?

    WSS