? Official Preseason Game Thread: Browns at Jaguars.

Westside Steve

@westside-steve said:

I still might stick with the Browns board nickname for the Jacksonville team:

The Faguars.

Is that in poor taste?

WSS

Apparently it pissed somebody off.

Duly noted whoever the guest was.

WSS

tiamat63

Re: Alex Wright. I was pretty critical of him in my assessment of the few games I watched after he was announced during the draft.

I get it's still very early, the biggest things he needed to work on, fundamentals that were SO damn bad, I was hoping to see a bit of immediate improvement. Unfortunately we still have a long way to go.

Still lowering his head into contact and not using his wingspan to keep himself clean. Sure, he might have inside leverage on the RT's shoulders, but it doesn't matter when you're playing high, head down and unbalanced.

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Unbalanced so his momentum, and a generous hip toss by the RT, puts him WAY upfield.

As a result, we have a wide open rushing lane. Have to win your assignment, keep your leverage, stack then rip. Can't give a RB a clean lane like this. Running defense is about 11 men being unselfish and assignment sound.

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On the bright side, talking about our rookies, was Emerson. I know everyone is hyped about the pick, and rightfully so. He showed great strength and patience at the line, had a great feel for the route, then just took the ball away. But my excitement came from something that doesn't feel as common as it used to in the NFL - tackling.

No coaches tape available yet, but it looks like EM was in his deep 1/3rd, read then broke. He didn't wait for this to get to Harrison then clean up. He went for, and put on, a pretty damn good form tackle. See that? Head up, eyes up, shoulder to the side... I can't ask for much more.

And it's exciting because when you have corners that are physical beyond playing routes, then it's a relief seeing them get involved. Opens more possibilities to how you draw up run fits when DB's can reliably attack and get the ball carrier to the ground.

From that very same play with Alex above.....

Westside Steve

@dutch-oven said:

Jets QB Zach Wilson left their preseason game tonight with a non-contact knee injury.

Yikes.

No wonder the players love preseason so much.

WSS

Korsou Dawg

That play Emerson made, muscling the ball away from the receiver for the pick 6. If that's the level of intensity we are going to see from the Browns this season, we should be in for a good one!

gumby73

@tiamat63... Emerson has that tackling frame that reminds me of a young Richard Sherman, that can physically wear down some AFCN WR's ...

Excellent pick-up of EM's, framed view in your photo above.. Well done sir !

I hope to see Tyler Boyd crossing his path ?

OconRecon

Looks like someone updated a wiki page…

Neo

Meanwhile, Rosen quietly had a good performance with the limited time he had. He made a nice throw on the move to his left. I would like to see more of him.

Unsympathetic

Ugh. Harris out for the season

Wilson out 2-4 weeks -- bone bruise and torn meniscus.

@gumby73 said:

I'd be more worried about a meniscus injury

Good call, 100% right

TexasAg1969

Browns vs Jags replay of the game is on Direct TV 212 NFL Network on Wed 4pm EDT.

For those like me who could not see the game other than highlights.

FY56

Meanwhile, most of the media had Watson as sucking.

I will say that three dropped accurate passes, an underthrow and an overthrow is not bad for a QB being out as long as he had.

Orion

@texasag1969 said:

Browns vs Jags replay of the game is on Direct TV 212 NFL Network on Wed 4pm EDT.

For those like me who could not see the game other than highlights.

Summer hours just ended for me. Next week I'm back to working until 5.

TexasAg1969

@orion said:

Summer hours just ended for me. Next week I'm back to working until 5.

Record it. I play racquetball from 3-5 CDT (4-6 EDT) Wed, so I'm recording it. Since I already know the outcome that allows me to speed through commercials.?

DieHardBrownsFan1

@texasag1969 said:

Record it. I play racquetball from 3-5 CDT (4-6 EDT) Wed, so I'm recording it. Since I already know the outcome that allows me to speed through commercials.?

Senior league?

TexasAg1969

@diehardbrownsfan1 said:

Senior league?

Well one for sure anyway.?

mjp28

@diehardbrownsfan1 said:

Senior league?

Senior league or señora league ?

TexasAg1969

@mjp28 said:

Senior league or señora league ?

I got my butt whipped many a time by one. Of course she had been so good a few years before that the Racquet maker Ektelon sponsored her. ???

tiamat63

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cleveland.com/browns/2022/08/how-jeremiah-owusu-koramoah-martin-emerson-jr-and-the-rest-of-the-browns-defense-graded-vs-the-jaguars.html%3foutputType=amp

Have to disagree with PFF on Winfrey's grade. Almost feels like his and Taven's should be flipped.

I've only ever spoken to one of their data scientists. At least, that was his job title listed on his Facebook. And the conversation was..... frustrating.

Could have sworn I saved screenshots of it on my desktop.

TexasAg1969

@tiamat63 said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cleveland.com/browns/2022/08/how-jeremiah-owusu-koramoah-martin-emerson-jr-and-the-rest-of-the-browns-defense-graded-vs-the-jaguars.html%3foutputType=amp

Have to disagree with PFF on Winfrey's grade. Almost feels like his and Taven's should be flipped.

I've only ever spoken to one of their data scientists. At least, that was his job title listed on his Facebook. And the conversation was..... frustrating.

Could have sworn I saved screenshots of it on my desktop.

Plus hard to believe Thomas graded so low since at least highlights show him all over the place disrupting and tackling. Plus a sack of the QB. When I watch the full game replay I'll focus on him and PW since to me they were the two best in highlights anyway.

gumby73

@tiamat63 said:

Have to disagree with PFF on Winfrey's grade.

I've only ever spoken to one of their data scientists. At least, that was his job title listed on his Facebook. And the conversation was..... frustrating.

Here's another PFF example, of why I'll spend $$ to view the coaches all 22 views..

2021* Pro Football Focus Overall Grades: Browns Defensive Tackles

Sheldon Day: 64.7

Andrew Billings: 47.5

Malik McDowell: 46.5

Josiah Bronson: 45.7

Malik Jackson: 44.4

Jordan Elliott: 41.6

Tommy Togiai: 39.8

? (head-scratching huh)

this came from a past dbn link.. https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2022/7/25/23276395/the-worst-position-group-on-the-browns-try-defensive-tackle

tiamat63

@gumby73 said:

Here's another PFF example, of why I'll spend $$ to view the coaches all 22 views..

2021* Pro Football Focus Overall Grades: Browns Defensive Tackles

Sheldon Day: 64.7

Andrew Billings: 47.5

Malik McDowell: 46.5

Josiah Bronson: 45.7

Malik Jackson: 44.4

Jordan Elliott: 41.6

Tommy Togiai: 39.8

? (head-scratching huh)

this came from a past dbn link.. https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2022/7/25/23276395/the-worst-position-group-on-the-browns-try-defensive-tackle

Funny enough you bring that up, I was watching the Raiders game the other night and saw Billings looking a bit more trim and having some nice redzone impact. Hurts my heart he couldn't find that level of play within him while in Cleveland. Could really use that player who showed up in Cincy.

The IDL lineup, and to a lesser extent the LB makeup, is a product of the new-age analytic thinking. These positions, like RB, are devalued greatly in comparison to DB and pass rusher. The problem is, they're the meat and potatoes of your defense. Whenever you come across a team that has the sexy flash, you often find they lack the substance. They lack the dogs who do the nameless dirty work at an NFL level week in and week out.

Winfrey is a start, but he isn't going to fix this line overnight or long term by himself. Aaron Donald had Michael Brockers (now Gregg Gaines, somebody I was high before he was drafted) next to him. By no means a yearly pro-bowler, but a steady and reliable presence in the middle who could do a thankless job quite well. That's who needs to emerge from this roster or needs to be found ASAP.