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  • That play Emerson made, muscling the ball away from the receiver for the pick 6.  If that's the level of intensity we are going to see from the Browns this season, we should be in for a good one! 

  • @tiamat63... Emerson has that tackling frame that reminds me of a young Richard Sherman, that can physically wear down some AFCN WR's ... 

    Excellent pick-up of EM's, framed view in your photo above.. Well done sir ! 

    I hope to see Tyler Boyd crossing his path ?

  • Looks like someone updated a wiki page…

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  • Meanwhile, Rosen quietly had a good performance with the limited time he had. He made a nice throw on the move to his left. I would like to see more of him.

  • @unsympathetic said:

    Don't watch

    on it unless you're entertained by slow-motion telestrator analysis of the moment various guys have snapped their ACL.. 

    Thanks..I'd be more worried about a meniscus injury the way that knee joint buckled.. We play Jets W2.. ageless Flacco? 

    @oconrecon said:

    Ford had himself a game.  102 rushing yards & 2 TD’s.  
     

    Does AB call Tretter?

    Welcome in Ocon..

    hate it for Nick Harris.. Harris looks like that draftee, from the day they get drafted, that can't avoid injuries.. His short/stubby frame finds non-balance.. than SNAP's !

    Something seems up with Tretter?  might he retire?/less money? maybe his body may need a Gronk layoff year?

    The way this NFLPA keeps getting hosed? Tretter maybe a good NFLPA hire they should look into 

    Ugh. Harris out for the season

    Wilson out 2-4 weeks -- bone bruise and torn meniscus. 

    @gumby73 said:

    I'd be more worried about a meniscus injury

    Good call, 100% right

  • Browns vs Jags replay of the game is on Direct TV 212 NFL Network on Wed 4pm EDT.

    For those like me who could not see the game other than highlights.

  • Meanwhile, most of the media had Watson as sucking.

    I will say that three dropped accurate passes, an underthrow and an overthrow is not bad for a QB being out as long as he had.

  • Browns vs Jags replay of the game is on Direct TV 212 NFL Network on Wed 4pm EDT.

    For those like me who could not see the game other than highlights.

    @texasag1969 said:

    Browns vs Jags replay of the game is on Direct TV 212 NFL Network on Wed 4pm EDT.

    For those like me who could not see the game other than highlights.

    Summer hours just ended for me.  Next week I'm back to working until 5.  🙁

  • @texasag1969 said:

    Browns vs Jags replay of the game is on Direct TV 212 NFL Network on Wed 4pm EDT.

    For those like me who could not see the game other than highlights.

    Summer hours just ended for me.  Next week I'm back to working until 5.  🙁

    @orion said:

    Summer hours just ended for me.  Next week I'm back to working until 5.  🙁

    Record it. I play racquetball from 3-5 CDT (4-6 EDT) Wed, so I'm recording it. Since I already know the outcome that allows me to speed through commercials.?

  • @orion said:

    Summer hours just ended for me.  Next week I'm back to working until 5.  🙁

    Record it. I play racquetball from 3-5 CDT (4-6 EDT) Wed, so I'm recording it. Since I already know the outcome that allows me to speed through commercials.?

    @texasag1969 said:

    Record it. I play racquetball from 3-5 CDT (4-6 EDT) Wed, so I'm recording it. Since I already know the outcome that allows me to speed through commercials.?

    Senior league?

  • @texasag1969 said:

    Record it. I play racquetball from 3-5 CDT (4-6 EDT) Wed, so I'm recording it. Since I already know the outcome that allows me to speed through commercials.?

    Senior league?

    @diehardbrownsfan1 said:

    Senior league?

    Well one for sure anyway.?

  • @texasag1969 said:

    Record it. I play racquetball from 3-5 CDT (4-6 EDT) Wed, so I'm recording it. Since I already know the outcome that allows me to speed through commercials.?

    Senior league?

    @diehardbrownsfan1 said:

    Senior league?

    Senior league or señora league ?

  • @diehardbrownsfan1 said:

    Senior league?

    Senior league or señora league ?

    @mjp28 said:

    Senior league or señora league ?

    I got my butt whipped many a time by one. Of course she had been so good a few years before that the Racquet maker Ektelon sponsored her. ???

  • https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cleveland.com/browns/2022/08/how-jeremiah-owusu-koramoah-martin-emerson-jr-and-the-rest-of-the-browns-defense-graded-vs-the-jaguars.html%3foutputType=amp

     Have to disagree with PFF on Winfrey's grade.  Almost feels like his and Taven's should be flipped. 

     I've only ever spoken to one of their data scientists. At least, that was his job title listed on his Facebook.  And the conversation was..... frustrating. 

     Could have sworn I saved screenshots of it on my desktop. 

  • https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cleveland.com/browns/2022/08/how-jeremiah-owusu-koramoah-martin-emerson-jr-and-the-rest-of-the-browns-defense-graded-vs-the-jaguars.html%3foutputType=amp

     Have to disagree with PFF on Winfrey's grade.  Almost feels like his and Taven's should be flipped. 

     I've only ever spoken to one of their data scientists. At least, that was his job title listed on his Facebook.  And the conversation was..... frustrating. 

     Could have sworn I saved screenshots of it on my desktop. 

    @tiamat63 said:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cleveland.com/browns/2022/08/how-jeremiah-owusu-koramoah-martin-emerson-jr-and-the-rest-of-the-browns-defense-graded-vs-the-jaguars.html%3foutputType=amp

     Have to disagree with PFF on Winfrey's grade.  Almost feels like his and Taven's should be flipped. 

     I've only ever spoken to one of their data scientists. At least, that was his job title listed on his Facebook.  And the conversation was..... frustrating. 

     Could have sworn I saved screenshots of it on my desktop. 

    Plus hard to believe Thomas graded so low since at least highlights show him all over the place disrupting and tackling. Plus a sack of the QB. When I watch the full game replay I'll focus on him and PW since to me they were the two best in highlights anyway.

  • https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cleveland.com/browns/2022/08/how-jeremiah-owusu-koramoah-martin-emerson-jr-and-the-rest-of-the-browns-defense-graded-vs-the-jaguars.html%3foutputType=amp

     Have to disagree with PFF on Winfrey's grade.  Almost feels like his and Taven's should be flipped. 

     I've only ever spoken to one of their data scientists. At least, that was his job title listed on his Facebook.  And the conversation was..... frustrating. 

     Could have sworn I saved screenshots of it on my desktop. 

    @tiamat63 said:

     Have to disagree with PFF on Winfrey's grade.  

     I've only ever spoken to one of their data scientists. At least, that was his job title listed on his Facebook.  And the conversation was..... frustrating. 

    Here's another PFF example, of why I'll spend $$ to view the coaches all 22 views..

    2021* Pro Football Focus Overall Grades: Browns Defensive Tackles

    Sheldon Day: 64.7

    Andrew Billings: 47.5

    Malik McDowell: 46.5

    Josiah Bronson: 45.7

    Malik Jackson: 44.4

    Jordan Elliott: 41.6

    Tommy Togiai: 39.8

    ? (head-scratching huh) 

    this came from a past dbn link.. https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2022/7/25/23276395/the-worst-position-group-on-the-browns-try-defensive-tackle

  • @tiamat63 said:

     Have to disagree with PFF on Winfrey's grade.  

     I've only ever spoken to one of their data scientists. At least, that was his job title listed on his Facebook.  And the conversation was..... frustrating. 

    Here's another PFF example, of why I'll spend $$ to view the coaches all 22 views..

    2021* Pro Football Focus Overall Grades: Browns Defensive Tackles

    Sheldon Day: 64.7

    Andrew Billings: 47.5

    Malik McDowell: 46.5

    Josiah Bronson: 45.7

    Malik Jackson: 44.4

    Jordan Elliott: 41.6

    Tommy Togiai: 39.8

    ? (head-scratching huh) 

    this came from a past dbn link.. https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2022/7/25/23276395/the-worst-position-group-on-the-browns-try-defensive-tackle

    @gumby73 said:

    Here's another PFF example, of why I'll spend $$ to view the coaches all 22 views..

    2021* Pro Football Focus Overall Grades: Browns Defensive Tackles

    Sheldon Day: 64.7

    Andrew Billings: 47.5

    Malik McDowell: 46.5

    Josiah Bronson: 45.7

    Malik Jackson: 44.4

    Jordan Elliott: 41.6

    Tommy Togiai: 39.8

    ? (head-scratching huh) 

    this came from a past dbn link.. https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2022/7/25/23276395/the-worst-position-group-on-the-browns-try-defensive-tackle

     Funny enough you bring that up, I was watching the Raiders game the other night and saw Billings looking a bit more trim and having some nice redzone impact.   Hurts my heart he couldn't find that level of play within him while in Cleveland.  Could really use that player who showed up in Cincy.

     The IDL lineup, and to a lesser extent the LB makeup, is a product of the new-age analytic thinking.  These positions, like RB, are devalued greatly in comparison to DB and pass rusher.  The problem is, they're the meat and potatoes of your defense.   Whenever you come across a team that has the sexy flash, you often find they lack the substance.  They lack the dogs who do the nameless dirty work at an NFL level week in and week out.   

     Winfrey is a start, but he isn't going to fix this line overnight or long term by himself.   Aaron Donald had Michael Brockers (now Gregg Gaines, somebody I was high before he was drafted) next to him.  By no means a yearly pro-bowler, but a steady and reliable presence in the middle who could do a thankless job quite well.   That's who needs to emerge from this roster or needs to be found ASAP.

  • https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cleveland.com/browns/2022/08/how-jeremiah-owusu-koramoah-martin-emerson-jr-and-the-rest-of-the-browns-defense-graded-vs-the-jaguars.html%3foutputType=amp

     Have to disagree with PFF on Winfrey's grade.  Almost feels like his and Taven's should be flipped. 

     I've only ever spoken to one of their data scientists. At least, that was his job title listed on his Facebook.  And the conversation was..... frustrating. 

     Could have sworn I saved screenshots of it on my desktop. 

    @tiamat63 said:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cleveland.com/browns/2022/08/how-jeremiah-owusu-koramoah-martin-emerson-jr-and-the-rest-of-the-browns-defense-graded-vs-the-jaguars.html%3foutputType=amp

     Have to disagree with PFF on Winfrey's grade.  Almost feels like his and Taven's should be flipped. 

     I've only ever spoken to one of their data scientists. At least, that was his job title listed on his Facebook.  And the conversation was..... frustrating. 

     Could have sworn I saved screenshots of it on my desktop. 

    I won't even begin to know how they determine most of their grades, it's a little too "inside baseball" for me, but does it seem like it is somewhat subjective - along the lines of ice skating grades? Just seems really, really difficult to grade guys in the trenches.

  • @gumby73 said:

    Here's another PFF example, of why I'll spend $$ to view the coaches all 22 views..

    2021* Pro Football Focus Overall Grades: Browns Defensive Tackles

    Sheldon Day: 64.7

    Andrew Billings: 47.5

    Malik McDowell: 46.5

    Josiah Bronson: 45.7

    Malik Jackson: 44.4

    Jordan Elliott: 41.6

    Tommy Togiai: 39.8

    ? (head-scratching huh) 

    this came from a past dbn link.. https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2022/7/25/23276395/the-worst-position-group-on-the-browns-try-defensive-tackle

     Funny enough you bring that up, I was watching the Raiders game the other night and saw Billings looking a bit more trim and having some nice redzone impact.   Hurts my heart he couldn't find that level of play within him while in Cleveland.  Could really use that player who showed up in Cincy.

     The IDL lineup, and to a lesser extent the LB makeup, is a product of the new-age analytic thinking.  These positions, like RB, are devalued greatly in comparison to DB and pass rusher.  The problem is, they're the meat and potatoes of your defense.   Whenever you come across a team that has the sexy flash, you often find they lack the substance.  They lack the dogs who do the nameless dirty work at an NFL level week in and week out.   

     Winfrey is a start, but he isn't going to fix this line overnight or long term by himself.   Aaron Donald had Michael Brockers (now Gregg Gaines, somebody I was high before he was drafted) next to him.  By no means a yearly pro-bowler, but a steady and reliable presence in the middle who could do a thankless job quite well.   That's who needs to emerge from this roster or needs to be found ASAP.

    @tiamat63 said:

     Funny enough you bring that up, I was watching the Raiders game the other night and saw Billings looking a bit more trim and having some nice redzone impact.   Hurts my heart he couldn't find that level of play within him while in Cleveland.  Could really use that player who showed up in Cincy.

     The IDL lineup, and to a lesser extent the LB makeup, is a product of the new-age analytic thinking.  These positions, like RB, are devalued greatly in comparison to DB and pass rusher.  The problem is, they're the meat and potatoes of your defense.   Whenever you come across a team that has the sexy flash, you often find they lack the substance.  They lack the dogs who do the nameless dirty work at an NFL level week in and week out.   

     Winfrey is a start, but he isn't going to fix this line overnight or long term by himself.   Aaron Donald had Michael Brockers (now Gregg Gaines, somebody I was high before he was drafted) next to him.  By no means a yearly pro-bowler, but a steady and reliable presence in the middle who could do a thankless job quite well.   That's who needs to emerge from this roster or needs to be found ASAP.

    Not for nothing, the Rats drafted DT Travis Jones at #76 overall (rd 3) when we should have taken him in the spot where we drafted CB Martin Emerson at #68 overall.  I think we could have still drafted Emerson at #78 overall where we reached badly on Alex Wright.  I'm watching this organization think they can Dr Frankenstein an Anthony Schwartz into an NFL starter because he can run really fast in a straight line regardless of the Edward Scissorhands. 

    If we want to keep OL off our backers, it sure didn't look like that was a part of the draft strategy at all.   JOK isn't much bigger than a lot of Strong Safeties so this is going to be important.  Last year reminds us that both him and Phillips got injured.  

    The Jax game wasn't on so I recorded it and of course it cut out in the first half.  I have Wednesday off and I can't wait to watch this thing.  

  • @tiamat63 said:

     Funny enough you bring that up, I was watching the Raiders game the other night and saw Billings looking a bit more trim and having some nice redzone impact.   Hurts my heart he couldn't find that level of play within him while in Cleveland.  Could really use that player who showed up in Cincy.

     The IDL lineup, and to a lesser extent the LB makeup, is a product of the new-age analytic thinking.  These positions, like RB, are devalued greatly in comparison to DB and pass rusher.  The problem is, they're the meat and potatoes of your defense.   Whenever you come across a team that has the sexy flash, you often find they lack the substance.  They lack the dogs who do the nameless dirty work at an NFL level week in and week out.   

     Winfrey is a start, but he isn't going to fix this line overnight or long term by himself.   Aaron Donald had Michael Brockers (now Gregg Gaines, somebody I was high before he was drafted) next to him.  By no means a yearly pro-bowler, but a steady and reliable presence in the middle who could do a thankless job quite well.   That's who needs to emerge from this roster or needs to be found ASAP.

    Not for nothing, the Rats drafted DT Travis Jones at #76 overall (rd 3) when we should have taken him in the spot where we drafted CB Martin Emerson at #68 overall.  I think we could have still drafted Emerson at #78 overall where we reached badly on Alex Wright.  I'm watching this organization think they can Dr Frankenstein an Anthony Schwartz into an NFL starter because he can run really fast in a straight line regardless of the Edward Scissorhands. 

    If we want to keep OL off our backers, it sure didn't look like that was a part of the draft strategy at all.   JOK isn't much bigger than a lot of Strong Safeties so this is going to be important.  Last year reminds us that both him and Phillips got injured.  

    The Jax game wasn't on so I recorded it and of course it cut out in the first half.  I have Wednesday off and I can't wait to watch this thing.  

    @flugel said:

    I'm watching this organization think they can Dr Frankenstein an Anthony Schwartz into an NFL starter because he can run really fast in a straight line regardless of the Edward Scissorhands.

    Schwartz is bringing back memories of 49ers receiver Renaldo Nehemiah. He ran a 4.20 in the 40, but couldn’t catch a cold. It may be time to end the Schwartz experiment and free up a roster spot for someone that can actually catch a football.