? Official Preseason Game Thread: Browns at Jaguars.
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Don't watch
on it unless you're entertained by slow-motion telestrator analysis of the moment various guys have snapped their ACL..Thanks..I'd be more worried about a meniscus injury the way that knee joint buckled.. We play Jets W2.. ageless Flacco?
Ford had himself a game. 102 rushing yards & 2 TD’s.
Does AB call Tretter?
Welcome in Ocon..
hate it for Nick Harris.. Harris looks like that draftee, from the day they get drafted, that can't avoid injuries.. His short/stubby frame finds non-balance.. than SNAP's !
Something seems up with Tretter? might he retire?/less money? maybe his body may need a Gronk layoff year?
The way this NFLPA keeps getting hosed? Tretter maybe a good NFLPA hire they should look into
Ugh. Harris out for the season
Wilson out 2-4 weeks -- bone bruise and torn meniscus.
I'd be more worried about a meniscus injury
Good call, 100% right
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Browns vs Jags replay of the game is on Direct TV 212 NFL Network on Wed 4pm EDT.
For those like me who could not see the game other than highlights.
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Browns vs Jags replay of the game is on Direct TV 212 NFL Network on Wed 4pm EDT.
For those like me who could not see the game other than highlights.
Browns vs Jags replay of the game is on Direct TV 212 NFL Network on Wed 4pm EDT.
For those like me who could not see the game other than highlights.
Summer hours just ended for me. Next week I'm back to working until 5.
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Browns vs Jags replay of the game is on Direct TV 212 NFL Network on Wed 4pm EDT.
For those like me who could not see the game other than highlights.
Summer hours just ended for me. Next week I'm back to working until 5.
Summer hours just ended for me. Next week I'm back to working until 5.
Record it. I play racquetball from 3-5 CDT (4-6 EDT) Wed, so I'm recording it. Since I already know the outcome that allows me to speed through commercials.?
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Record it. I play racquetball from 3-5 CDT (4-6 EDT) Wed, so I'm recording it. Since I already know the outcome that allows me to speed through commercials.?
Senior league?
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Record it. I play racquetball from 3-5 CDT (4-6 EDT) Wed, so I'm recording it. Since I already know the outcome that allows me to speed through commercials.?
Senior league?
Senior league?
Well one for sure anyway.?
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Record it. I play racquetball from 3-5 CDT (4-6 EDT) Wed, so I'm recording it. Since I already know the outcome that allows me to speed through commercials.?
Senior league?
Senior league?
Senior league or señora league ?
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Senior league?
Senior league or señora league ?
Senior league or señora league ?
I got my butt whipped many a time by one. Of course she had been so good a few years before that the Racquet maker Ektelon sponsored her. ???
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Have to disagree with PFF on Winfrey's grade. Almost feels like his and Taven's should be flipped.
I've only ever spoken to one of their data scientists. At least, that was his job title listed on his Facebook. And the conversation was..... frustrating.
Could have sworn I saved screenshots of it on my desktop.
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Have to disagree with PFF on Winfrey's grade. Almost feels like his and Taven's should be flipped.
I've only ever spoken to one of their data scientists. At least, that was his job title listed on his Facebook. And the conversation was..... frustrating.
Could have sworn I saved screenshots of it on my desktop.
Have to disagree with PFF on Winfrey's grade. Almost feels like his and Taven's should be flipped.
I've only ever spoken to one of their data scientists. At least, that was his job title listed on his Facebook. And the conversation was..... frustrating.
Could have sworn I saved screenshots of it on my desktop.
Plus hard to believe Thomas graded so low since at least highlights show him all over the place disrupting and tackling. Plus a sack of the QB. When I watch the full game replay I'll focus on him and PW since to me they were the two best in highlights anyway.
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Have to disagree with PFF on Winfrey's grade. Almost feels like his and Taven's should be flipped.
I've only ever spoken to one of their data scientists. At least, that was his job title listed on his Facebook. And the conversation was..... frustrating.
Could have sworn I saved screenshots of it on my desktop.
Have to disagree with PFF on Winfrey's grade.
I've only ever spoken to one of their data scientists. At least, that was his job title listed on his Facebook. And the conversation was..... frustrating.
Here's another PFF example, of why I'll spend $$ to view the coaches all 22 views..
2021* Pro Football Focus Overall Grades: Browns Defensive Tackles
Sheldon Day: 64.7
Andrew Billings: 47.5
Malik McDowell: 46.5
Josiah Bronson: 45.7
Malik Jackson: 44.4
Jordan Elliott: 41.6
Tommy Togiai: 39.8
? (head-scratching huh)
this came from a past dbn link.. https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2022/7/25/23276395/the-worst-position-group-on-the-browns-try-defensive-tackle
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Have to disagree with PFF on Winfrey's grade.
I've only ever spoken to one of their data scientists. At least, that was his job title listed on his Facebook. And the conversation was..... frustrating.
Here's another PFF example, of why I'll spend $$ to view the coaches all 22 views..
2021* Pro Football Focus Overall Grades: Browns Defensive Tackles
Sheldon Day: 64.7
Andrew Billings: 47.5
Malik McDowell: 46.5
Josiah Bronson: 45.7
Malik Jackson: 44.4
Jordan Elliott: 41.6
Tommy Togiai: 39.8
? (head-scratching huh)
this came from a past dbn link.. https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2022/7/25/23276395/the-worst-position-group-on-the-browns-try-defensive-tackle
Here's another PFF example, of why I'll spend $$ to view the coaches all 22 views..
2021* Pro Football Focus Overall Grades: Browns Defensive Tackles
Sheldon Day: 64.7
Andrew Billings: 47.5
Malik McDowell: 46.5
Josiah Bronson: 45.7
Malik Jackson: 44.4
Jordan Elliott: 41.6
Tommy Togiai: 39.8
? (head-scratching huh)
this came from a past dbn link.. https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2022/7/25/23276395/the-worst-position-group-on-the-browns-try-defensive-tackle
Funny enough you bring that up, I was watching the Raiders game the other night and saw Billings looking a bit more trim and having some nice redzone impact. Hurts my heart he couldn't find that level of play within him while in Cleveland. Could really use that player who showed up in Cincy.
The IDL lineup, and to a lesser extent the LB makeup, is a product of the new-age analytic thinking. These positions, like RB, are devalued greatly in comparison to DB and pass rusher. The problem is, they're the meat and potatoes of your defense. Whenever you come across a team that has the sexy flash, you often find they lack the substance. They lack the dogs who do the nameless dirty work at an NFL level week in and week out.
Winfrey is a start, but he isn't going to fix this line overnight or long term by himself. Aaron Donald had Michael Brockers (now Gregg Gaines, somebody I was high before he was drafted) next to him. By no means a yearly pro-bowler, but a steady and reliable presence in the middle who could do a thankless job quite well. That's who needs to emerge from this roster or needs to be found ASAP.
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Have to disagree with PFF on Winfrey's grade. Almost feels like his and Taven's should be flipped.
I've only ever spoken to one of their data scientists. At least, that was his job title listed on his Facebook. And the conversation was..... frustrating.
Could have sworn I saved screenshots of it on my desktop.
Have to disagree with PFF on Winfrey's grade. Almost feels like his and Taven's should be flipped.
I've only ever spoken to one of their data scientists. At least, that was his job title listed on his Facebook. And the conversation was..... frustrating.
Could have sworn I saved screenshots of it on my desktop.
I won't even begin to know how they determine most of their grades, it's a little too "inside baseball" for me, but does it seem like it is somewhat subjective - along the lines of ice skating grades? Just seems really, really difficult to grade guys in the trenches.
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Here's another PFF example, of why I'll spend $$ to view the coaches all 22 views..
2021* Pro Football Focus Overall Grades: Browns Defensive Tackles
Sheldon Day: 64.7
Andrew Billings: 47.5
Malik McDowell: 46.5
Josiah Bronson: 45.7
Malik Jackson: 44.4
Jordan Elliott: 41.6
Tommy Togiai: 39.8
? (head-scratching huh)
this came from a past dbn link.. https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2022/7/25/23276395/the-worst-position-group-on-the-browns-try-defensive-tackle
Funny enough you bring that up, I was watching the Raiders game the other night and saw Billings looking a bit more trim and having some nice redzone impact. Hurts my heart he couldn't find that level of play within him while in Cleveland. Could really use that player who showed up in Cincy.
The IDL lineup, and to a lesser extent the LB makeup, is a product of the new-age analytic thinking. These positions, like RB, are devalued greatly in comparison to DB and pass rusher. The problem is, they're the meat and potatoes of your defense. Whenever you come across a team that has the sexy flash, you often find they lack the substance. They lack the dogs who do the nameless dirty work at an NFL level week in and week out.
Winfrey is a start, but he isn't going to fix this line overnight or long term by himself. Aaron Donald had Michael Brockers (now Gregg Gaines, somebody I was high before he was drafted) next to him. By no means a yearly pro-bowler, but a steady and reliable presence in the middle who could do a thankless job quite well. That's who needs to emerge from this roster or needs to be found ASAP.
Funny enough you bring that up, I was watching the Raiders game the other night and saw Billings looking a bit more trim and having some nice redzone impact. Hurts my heart he couldn't find that level of play within him while in Cleveland. Could really use that player who showed up in Cincy.
The IDL lineup, and to a lesser extent the LB makeup, is a product of the new-age analytic thinking. These positions, like RB, are devalued greatly in comparison to DB and pass rusher. The problem is, they're the meat and potatoes of your defense. Whenever you come across a team that has the sexy flash, you often find they lack the substance. They lack the dogs who do the nameless dirty work at an NFL level week in and week out.
Winfrey is a start, but he isn't going to fix this line overnight or long term by himself. Aaron Donald had Michael Brockers (now Gregg Gaines, somebody I was high before he was drafted) next to him. By no means a yearly pro-bowler, but a steady and reliable presence in the middle who could do a thankless job quite well. That's who needs to emerge from this roster or needs to be found ASAP.
Not for nothing, the Rats drafted DT Travis Jones at #76 overall (rd 3) when we should have taken him in the spot where we drafted CB Martin Emerson at #68 overall. I think we could have still drafted Emerson at #78 overall where we reached badly on Alex Wright. I'm watching this organization think they can Dr Frankenstein an Anthony Schwartz into an NFL starter because he can run really fast in a straight line regardless of the Edward Scissorhands.
If we want to keep OL off our backers, it sure didn't look like that was a part of the draft strategy at all. JOK isn't much bigger than a lot of Strong Safeties so this is going to be important. Last year reminds us that both him and Phillips got injured.
The Jax game wasn't on so I recorded it and of course it cut out in the first half. I have Wednesday off and I can't wait to watch this thing.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
Funny enough you bring that up, I was watching the Raiders game the other night and saw Billings looking a bit more trim and having some nice redzone impact. Hurts my heart he couldn't find that level of play within him while in Cleveland. Could really use that player who showed up in Cincy.
The IDL lineup, and to a lesser extent the LB makeup, is a product of the new-age analytic thinking. These positions, like RB, are devalued greatly in comparison to DB and pass rusher. The problem is, they're the meat and potatoes of your defense. Whenever you come across a team that has the sexy flash, you often find they lack the substance. They lack the dogs who do the nameless dirty work at an NFL level week in and week out.
Winfrey is a start, but he isn't going to fix this line overnight or long term by himself. Aaron Donald had Michael Brockers (now Gregg Gaines, somebody I was high before he was drafted) next to him. By no means a yearly pro-bowler, but a steady and reliable presence in the middle who could do a thankless job quite well. That's who needs to emerge from this roster or needs to be found ASAP.
Not for nothing, the Rats drafted DT Travis Jones at #76 overall (rd 3) when we should have taken him in the spot where we drafted CB Martin Emerson at #68 overall. I think we could have still drafted Emerson at #78 overall where we reached badly on Alex Wright. I'm watching this organization think they can Dr Frankenstein an Anthony Schwartz into an NFL starter because he can run really fast in a straight line regardless of the Edward Scissorhands.
If we want to keep OL off our backers, it sure didn't look like that was a part of the draft strategy at all. JOK isn't much bigger than a lot of Strong Safeties so this is going to be important. Last year reminds us that both him and Phillips got injured.
The Jax game wasn't on so I recorded it and of course it cut out in the first half. I have Wednesday off and I can't wait to watch this thing.
I'm watching this organization think they can Dr Frankenstein an Anthony Schwartz into an NFL starter because he can run really fast in a straight line regardless of the Edward Scissorhands.
Schwartz is bringing back memories of 49ers receiver Renaldo Nehemiah. He ran a 4.20 in the 40, but couldn’t catch a cold. It may be time to end the Schwartz experiment and free up a roster spot for someone that can actually catch a football.
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Funny enough you bring that up, I was watching the Raiders game the other night and saw Billings looking a bit more trim and having some nice redzone impact. Hurts my heart he couldn't find that level of play within him while in Cleveland. Could really use that player who showed up in Cincy.
The IDL lineup, and to a lesser extent the LB makeup, is a product of the new-age analytic thinking. These positions, like RB, are devalued greatly in comparison to DB and pass rusher. The problem is, they're the meat and potatoes of your defense. Whenever you come across a team that has the sexy flash, you often find they lack the substance. They lack the dogs who do the nameless dirty work at an NFL level week in and week out.
Winfrey is a start, but he isn't going to fix this line overnight or long term by himself. Aaron Donald had Michael Brockers (now Gregg Gaines, somebody I was high before he was drafted) next to him. By no means a yearly pro-bowler, but a steady and reliable presence in the middle who could do a thankless job quite well. That's who needs to emerge from this roster or needs to be found ASAP.
Not for nothing, the Rats drafted DT Travis Jones at #76 overall (rd 3) when we should have taken him in the spot where we drafted CB Martin Emerson at #68 overall. I think we could have still drafted Emerson at #78 overall where we reached badly on Alex Wright. I'm watching this organization think they can Dr Frankenstein an Anthony Schwartz into an NFL starter because he can run really fast in a straight line regardless of the Edward Scissorhands.
If we want to keep OL off our backers, it sure didn't look like that was a part of the draft strategy at all. JOK isn't much bigger than a lot of Strong Safeties so this is going to be important. Last year reminds us that both him and Phillips got injured.
The Jax game wasn't on so I recorded it and of course it cut out in the first half. I have Wednesday off and I can't wait to watch this thing.
Not for nothing, the Rats drafted DT Travis Jones at #76 overall (rd 3) when we should have taken him in the spot where we drafted CB Martin Emerson at #68 overall. I think we could have still drafted Emerson at #78 overall where we reached badly on Alex Wright. I'm watching this organization think they can Dr Frankenstein an Anthony Schwartz into an NFL starter because he can run really fast in a straight line regardless of the Edward Scissorhands.
If we want to keep OL off our backers, it sure didn't look like that was a part of the draft strategy at all. JOK isn't much bigger than a lot of Strong Safeties so this is going to be important. Last year reminds us that both him and Phillips got injured.
The Jax game wasn't on so I recorded it and of course it cut out in the first half. I have Wednesday off and I can't wait to watch this thing.
The idea of building back to front isn't a new concept. The Jets with Revis and Crow. The Seahawks and the Legion. The Broncos with Talib, Chris Harris, Ward, Roby & Stewart.
So I don't mind them making DB a priority, but you also need effective role players up the middle of your defense. For all the secondaries I just listed, the Jets had Devito, Ellis and Wilkerson. The Hawks had Red and Mebane, the Broncos had Pot Roast and prime Malik Jackson.
You get the idea. I guess my point is, when does the priority become over saturation? As the roster looks right now, I believe a Travis Jones would benefit this defense more than Emerson would. That is unless the front office takes steps to address IDL in the coming weeks.
To your mentioning of young JoK - it plays into the philosophy of drafting these smaller, faster linebackers. I mentioned it when the Bears picked Roquan... if you want these guys to roam sideline to sideline, you need the bodies to keep them clean up front. 'Quan ended up in a great situation having Hicks and Goldman in front of him, as a result he looks great.
Glen Logan ( who looked 'meh' when I watched him next to Neil Ferrall) possibly making this roster as a rookie isn't some testament to good scouting and finding diamonds in the rough. It's a consequence of allowing a glaring weakness at one of your position groups.
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Funny enough you bring that up, I was watching the Raiders game the other night and saw Billings looking a bit more trim and having some nice redzone impact. Hurts my heart he couldn't find that level of play within him while in Cleveland. Could really use that player who showed up in Cincy.
The IDL lineup, and to a lesser extent the LB makeup, is a product of the new-age analytic thinking. These positions, like RB, are devalued greatly in comparison to DB and pass rusher. The problem is, they're the meat and potatoes of your defense. Whenever you come across a team that has the sexy flash, you often find they lack the substance. They lack the dogs who do the nameless dirty work at an NFL level week in and week out.
Winfrey is a start, but he isn't going to fix this line overnight or long term by himself. Aaron Donald had Michael Brockers (now Gregg Gaines, somebody I was high before he was drafted) next to him. By no means a yearly pro-bowler, but a steady and reliable presence in the middle who could do a thankless job quite well. That's who needs to emerge from this roster or needs to be found ASAP.
Not for nothing, the Rats drafted DT Travis Jones at #76 overall (rd 3) when we should have taken him in the spot where we drafted CB Martin Emerson at #68 overall. I think we could have still drafted Emerson at #78 overall where we reached badly on Alex Wright. I'm watching this organization think they can Dr Frankenstein an Anthony Schwartz into an NFL starter because he can run really fast in a straight line regardless of the Edward Scissorhands.
If we want to keep OL off our backers, it sure didn't look like that was a part of the draft strategy at all. JOK isn't much bigger than a lot of Strong Safeties so this is going to be important. Last year reminds us that both him and Phillips got injured.
The Jax game wasn't on so I recorded it and of course it cut out in the first half. I have Wednesday off and I can't wait to watch this thing.
I'm watching this organization think they can Dr Frankenstein an Anthony Schwartz into an NFL starter because he can run really fast in a straight line regardless of the Edward Scissorhands.
LOL!
Schwartz is bringing back memories of 49ers receiver Renaldo Nehemiah. He ran a 4.20 in the 40, but couldn’t catch a cold. It may be time to end the Schwartz experiment and free up a roster spot for someone that can actually catch a football.
He looked like he was trying to take off every time before he ever looked the ball into his hands. He has a lot of bad habits to unlearn for sure, or it's adios to the NFL. On the plus side he has gotten open enough to have the ball thrown his way.
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I'm watching this organization think they can Dr Frankenstein an Anthony Schwartz into an NFL starter because he can run really fast in a straight line regardless of the Edward Scissorhands.
LOL!
Schwartz is bringing back memories of 49ers receiver Renaldo Nehemiah. He ran a 4.20 in the 40, but couldn’t catch a cold. It may be time to end the Schwartz experiment and free up a roster spot for someone that can actually catch a football.
He looked like he was trying to take off every time before he ever looked the ball into his hands. He has a lot of bad habits to unlearn for sure, or it's adios to the NFL. On the plus side he has gotten open enough to have the ball thrown his way.
LOL!
He looked like he was trying to take off every time before he ever looked the ball into his hands. He has a lot of bad habits to unlearn for sure, or it's adios to the NFL. On the plus side he has gotten open enough to have the ball thrown his way.
I'm willing to give the schwartz experiment one more season.. They say there's that 3 year window.. Other wise.. Bring Will Fuller in and call it a day...
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Not for nothing, the Rats drafted DT Travis Jones at #76 overall (rd 3) when we should have taken him in the spot where we drafted CB Martin Emerson at #68 overall. I think we could have still drafted Emerson at #78 overall where we reached badly on Alex Wright. I'm watching this organization think they can Dr Frankenstein an Anthony Schwartz into an NFL starter because he can run really fast in a straight line regardless of the Edward Scissorhands.
If we want to keep OL off our backers, it sure didn't look like that was a part of the draft strategy at all. JOK isn't much bigger than a lot of Strong Safeties so this is going to be important. Last year reminds us that both him and Phillips got injured.
The Jax game wasn't on so I recorded it and of course it cut out in the first half. I have Wednesday off and I can't wait to watch this thing.
The idea of building back to front isn't a new concept. The Jets with Revis and Crow. The Seahawks and the Legion. The Broncos with Talib, Chris Harris, Ward, Roby & Stewart.
So I don't mind them making DB a priority, but you also need effective role players up the middle of your defense. For all the secondaries I just listed, the Jets had Devito, Ellis and Wilkerson. The Hawks had Red and Mebane, the Broncos had Pot Roast and prime Malik Jackson.
You get the idea. I guess my point is, when does the priority become over saturation? As the roster looks right now, I believe a Travis Jones would benefit this defense more than Emerson would. That is unless the front office takes steps to address IDL in the coming weeks.
To your mentioning of young JoK - it plays into the philosophy of drafting these smaller, faster linebackers. I mentioned it when the Bears picked Roquan... if you want these guys to roam sideline to sideline, you need the bodies to keep them clean up front. 'Quan ended up in a great situation having Hicks and Goldman in front of him, as a result he looks great.
Glen Logan ( who looked 'meh' when I watched him next to Neil Ferrall) possibly making this roster as a rookie isn't some testament to good scouting and finding diamonds in the rough. It's a consequence of allowing a glaring weakness at one of your position groups.
The idea of building back to front isn't a new concept. The Jets with Revis and Crow. The Seahawks and the Legion. The Broncos with Talib, Chris Harris, Ward, Roby & Stewart.
So I don't mind them making DB a priority, but you also need effective role players up the middle of your defense. For all the secondaries I just listed, the Jets had Devito, Ellis and Wilkerson. The Hawks had Red and Mebane, the Broncos had Pot Roast and prime Malik Jackson.
You get the idea. I guess my point is, when does the priority become over saturation? As the roster looks right now, I believe a Travis Jones would benefit this defense more than Emerson would. That is unless the front office takes steps to address IDL in the coming weeks.
To your mentioning of young JoK - it plays into the philosophy of drafting these smaller, faster linebackers. I mentioned it when the Bears picked Roquan... if you want these guys to roam sideline to sideline, you need the bodies to keep them clean up front. 'Quan ended up in a great situation having Hicks and Goldman in front of him, as a result he looks great.
Glen Logan ( who looked 'meh' when I watched him next to Neil Ferrall) possibly making this roster as a rookie isn't some testament to good scouting and finding diamonds in the rough. It's a consequence of allowing a glaring weakness at one of your position groups.
Well said! Looks like we're on the exact same page.
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