Watson Suspended for 11 Games and Fined $5 Million / and a bit OT and back.
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I think when we talk about talent, the primary in mind are the things that make a team competitive...
- strength in the trenches
- running game
Save for my concerns about the IDL, the Browns have a pair of the best guards in the NFL and a functional set of tackles. That's not including Conklin coming back and being healthy (dear god, please)
We also have a great pass rush, and our running game speaks for itself.
Jacoby hasn't been part of a team as a starter with that sort of blessing since his time in New England, and even then they have more role players than dominant individual skill players. And yes, Miami's Oline was pretty spotty.
Cooper, despite being traded to the cowboys and then us, is still a pretty proven vertical commodity. DPJ is an enigma that I'm hoping catches on. And Njoku was an athlete who is finally flashing glimpses of the complete player we've been hoping he'd grow into. The last 3 years, his drop rates have all declined significantly, his blocking both inline and on the perimeter has improved as well. I believe it's not a giant leap of faith to say he can produce more when we have an offense that is QB and volume centric. Which we won't see probably until this time next year.
So there is a bit of projection on the talent available here. But not such a stretch to say it isn't a reality that can be realized.
To me, David Bell is the gear that could make this engine really go in time. He just has that pro style look to his game where, nothing he does is flashy, but he consistently wins his routes and gives his QB a friend at almost every level of the field between his footwork, height and hands.
Schwartz is a luxury. If he develops, that's great. If not, I would consider him on punt returns and possibly making him a weapon for field position. But if I can't trust you to catch, then I can't trust you to field returns cleanly.
Well said. I've also posted my excitement about the Browns drafting David Bell. If we ever wanted a younger and lesser paid version of Jarvis Landry - I think he is it (once he gets healthy and the reps in him). This isn't a very deep group though; and I can't stand seeing all the efforts to square peg-round hole Schwartz. I would much rather see this kind of effort put into a better young WR like DPJ. Felton should be getting more reps/looks in the slot. Whether I like it or not, my biggest worry is what a backup QB is going to get out of this unit. Maybe a contract happier TE David Njoku will contribute some big production. He's become a much better blocker fwiw so we shall see.
We also had an elite offensive line on paper heading into 2021 before injuries changed things. This year, despite 2 elite Guards there's a lot of uncertainty about who we will have to start between them at Center. And Conklin is overcoming 2 different injuries last year so I'm hoping we get closer to who he used to be. The depth is good as you alluded to. I still want to see Wills play with the talent and consistency he was drafted to bring in round 1. We're very fortunate to have Callahan coaching them up. I'd like this offense to be well balanced; but when/if it isn't - our running game isn't always enough to win.
Yes, we definitely have some talented edge rushers and secondary personnel. There's also some very promising young LBs if they can stay healthy. A big question we share is what kind of impact will our DTs have at keeping bodies off our Backers against the run? In addition, can they consistently generate any kind of inside push? "PUSH IT REAL GOOD!" Sorry, that was a little too much coffee. If the 1st preseason game means anything, I saw some progress in Elliott and Togiai while Winfrey looks like he can really help this group. I did see Elliott and Winfrey come out of their stance too high on 1 occasion each. Each occasion leverage was forfeited - they got driven back. Good news is that's easy to correct. I remembered being really worried about our LBs going into 2020; but that position group never stopped us from winning 11 games in that regular season plus a playoff game.
I'll be interested to see what the philosophies and schemes of our offensive and defensive coordinators will be; and how those will hold up against a very tough schedule ahead.
Well said. I've also posted my excitement about the Browns drafting David Bell. If we ever wanted a younger and lesser paid version of Jarvis Landry - I
Most of what you said echo my sentiments. With a couple additions...
- If Wills doesn't improve his consistency and kinetic 2nd nature to the left side, I could very well see him moving back to the right after this season. It would accomplish a couple things - secure a long term starting spot after Conklin or Hubbard are gone. Also would mean that his 2nd contract price might be a bit more....team friendly. Although I am aware this isn't 20 years ago and right tackles make good money as well, in a league that values multiple pass rushers.
- the big one in being quoted above. I see Bell as a potential upgrade over Landry because of his height, weight, wingspan and strength. I honestly believe he looks more like Michael Thomas lite. Not quite as strong off the line or as fast a first step (not that MT is lightening quick) but good enough for those 60-70 catch seasons that hover between 800- 1000 yards.
- Elliot and Togys improvement might not be enough for starting level at the NFL, which is my concern. Really, until anyone on the IDL proves themselves this season, the whole group is a giant '?' And yes, as much as I like the early returns, that includes Perrion who will eventually hit a rookie wall.
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Well said. I've also posted my excitement about the Browns drafting David Bell. If we ever wanted a younger and lesser paid version of Jarvis Landry - I
Most of what you said echo my sentiments. With a couple additions...
- If Wills doesn't improve his consistency and kinetic 2nd nature to the left side, I could very well see him moving back to the right after this season. It would accomplish a couple things - secure a long term starting spot after Conklin or Hubbard are gone. Also would mean that his 2nd contract price might be a bit more....team friendly. Although I am aware this isn't 20 years ago and right tackles make good money as well, in a league that values multiple pass rushers.
- the big one in being quoted above. I see Bell as a potential upgrade over Landry because of his height, weight, wingspan and strength. I honestly believe he looks more like Michael Thomas lite. Not quite as strong off the line or as fast a first step (not that MT is lightening quick) but good enough for those 60-70 catch seasons that hover between 800- 1000 yards.
- Elliot and Togys improvement might not be enough for starting level at the NFL, which is my concern. Really, until anyone on the IDL proves themselves this season, the whole group is a giant '?' And yes, as much as I like the early returns, that includes Perrion who will eventually hit a rookie wall.
Most of what you said echo my sentiments. With a couple additions...
- If Wills doesn't improve his consistency and kinetic 2nd nature to the left side, I could very well see him moving back to the right after this season. It would accomplish a couple things - secure a long term starting spot after Conklin or Hubbard are gone. Also would mean that his 2nd contract price might be a bit more....team friendly. Although I am aware this isn't 20 years ago and right tackles make good money as well, in a league that values multiple pass rushers.
- the big one in being quoted above. I see Bell as a potential upgrade over Landry because of his height, weight, wingspan and strength. I honestly believe he looks more like Michael Thomas lite. Not quite as strong off the line or as fast a first step (not that MT is lightening quick) but good enough for those 60-70 catch seasons that hover between 800- 1000 yards.
- Elliot and Togys improvement might not be enough for starting level at the NFL, which is my concern. Really, until anyone on the IDL proves themselves this season, the whole group is a giant '?' And yes, as much as I like the early returns, that includes Perrion who will eventually hit a rookie wall.
Another advantage of Bell over Landry today is the upside of 8 less years of NFL wear and tear.
We're thinking alike about a possible move to the right side for Wills next season if the LT thing doesn't work. I sure wish we had a 1st round pick in the next couple of drafts though.
I'm afraid you're right about Elliott and Togys but they could still give us fresh rotation legs if they continue to improve. Like we talked about - our FO has to bring in some meat from last cuts or practice squad designations. I was hoping to see more out of Bryan last week.
I think with teams hitting less frequently in practice during the regular season that can somewhat lessen that rookie wall. Also a lot of teams are rotating parts/all of their dline groups these days for fresh legs. These poor kids coming out of college go right from Bowl Games to All Star Games/practice weeks to preparation for Combines then College Pro Days then private workouts for NFL Teams. Once drafted they're at mini-camps, then OTAs etc. I'm sure the awareness of this process has become why the NFL Players Union (whatever they call it) diligently worked to get the practice weeks softened.
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As for the prospect of Jacoby doing really well making the decision to sit him down a difficult one:
No doubt this is a conspiracy theory but I would not be shocked if Jimmy Haslam ordered Stefanski to stay away from plays that might make Brissett look too good.
BTW a little more of the same
https://www.audacy.com/theteam980/sports/florio-watsons-new-denials-could-compromise-reinstatement
WSS
BTW a little more of the same
https://www.audacy.com/theteam980/sports/florio-watsons-new-denials-could-compromise-reinstatement
They should've just taken the friggin' NFL to court if he's going to maintain he's innocent, while the NFL wants him to genuflect and kiss Roger's ring. And people are now pissed because it's still not enough punishment. Just cut his pecker off and be done with it already.
Look, he's been a sleezebag. OK, we get it! If the criteria for being an NFL player is being an alter boy then from now on only alter boys can play in the league. Ban him from the league and give the Browns the rest of the traded draft picks back. Then from now on anyone who does something stupid is banned...like Hunt, Ray Lewis, Rapistburger, etc., etc., etc., .......
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As for the prospect of Jacoby doing really well making the decision to sit him down a difficult one:
No doubt this is a conspiracy theory but I would not be shocked if Jimmy Haslam ordered Stefanski to stay away from plays that might make Brissett look too good.
BTW a little more of the same
https://www.audacy.com/theteam980/sports/florio-watsons-new-denials-could-compromise-reinstatement
WSS
BTW a little more of the same
https://www.audacy.com/theteam980/sports/florio-watsons-new-denials-could-compromise-reinstatement
WSS
What he's doing here is to once again stress he did nothing wrong in terms of committing a crime.
Ok Deshaun we got it.
He needed to say that he apologizes for behavior that was wrong and inappropriate. He didn't do that.
In the last line below, he is taking zero responsibility.
I’ve always stood on my innocence, and always said I’ve never assaulted anyone or disrespected anyone, and I’m continuing to stand on that,” Watson said.
Watson was asked, why apologize if he did nothing wrong?
“For everyone that was affected by this situation,” Watson said. “There was a lot of people that were triggered.”
What sanctimonious piece of garbage.
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BTW a little more of the same
https://www.audacy.com/theteam980/sports/florio-watsons-new-denials-could-compromise-reinstatement
WSS
What he's doing here is to once again stress he did nothing wrong in terms of committing a crime.
Ok Deshaun we got it.
He needed to say that he apologizes for behavior that was wrong and inappropriate. He didn't do that.
In the last line below, he is taking zero responsibility.
I’ve always stood on my innocence, and always said I’ve never assaulted anyone or disrespected anyone, and I’m continuing to stand on that,” Watson said.
Watson was asked, why apologize if he did nothing wrong?
“For everyone that was affected by this situation,” Watson said. “There was a lot of people that were triggered.”
What sanctimonious piece of garbage.
What he's doing here is to once again stress he did nothing wrong in terms of committing a crime.
Ok Deshaun we got it.
He needed to say that he apologizes for behavior that was wrong and inappropriate. He didn't do that.
In the last line below, he is taking zero responsibility.
I’ve always stood on my innocence, and always said I’ve never assaulted anyone or disrespected anyone, and I’m continuing to stand on that,” Watson said.
Watson was asked, why apologize if he did nothing wrong?
“For everyone that was affected by this situation,” Watson said. “There was a lot of people that were triggered.”
What sanctimonious piece of garbage.
go root for carolina
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Just because its settled it does not mean we have to like the sleazeball..
You're right. I guess there are things that we can't help like you being a crybaby dickwad about every little thing. I bet you will be in the crowd to boo him at Browns stadium when he comes back for his first game because we all know your shit doesn't stink.
I just want to get back to Browns football.
You're right. I guess there are things that we can't help like you being a crybaby dickwad about every little thing. I bet you will be in the crowd to boo him at Browns stadium when he comes back for his first game because we all know your shit doesn't stink.
I just want to get back to Browns football.
Wow who pissed in your cheerios this morning Don Puerco?.. I guess you'll be the first in line to hug his nuts...
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What he's doing here is to once again stress he did nothing wrong in terms of committing a crime.
Ok Deshaun we got it.
He needed to say that he apologizes for behavior that was wrong and inappropriate. He didn't do that.
In the last line below, he is taking zero responsibility.
I’ve always stood on my innocence, and always said I’ve never assaulted anyone or disrespected anyone, and I’m continuing to stand on that,” Watson said.
Watson was asked, why apologize if he did nothing wrong?
“For everyone that was affected by this situation,” Watson said. “There was a lot of people that were triggered.”
What sanctimonious piece of garbage.
go root for carolina
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He's gonna be my FL QB 1st pick.
It won't be too long for the FL teams, drafts and all of that good stuff.
Good for the offseason that wouldn't end.
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He's gonna be my FL QB 1st pick.
It won't be too long for the FL teams, drafts and all of that good stuff.
Good for the offseason that wouldn't end.
It won't be too long for the FL teams, drafts and all of that good stuff.
Good for the offseason that wouldn't end.
Last time I played in 2020 I had Cupp, McCaffrey, and Mostert go down in the 1st two weeks of the season. Ruined 3 of my top 4 right off the bat for the season. Derrick Henry saved my season though to break even for the year.
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Ward picks off faker and stares him down running past to the house.
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Ward picks off faker and stares him down running past to the house.
Ward picks off faker and stares him down running past to the house.
I thought he did that to Joe Burrow. The Warden must have put acid in my drink...
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BTW a little more of the same
https://www.audacy.com/theteam980/sports/florio-watsons-new-denials-could-compromise-reinstatement
They should've just taken the friggin' NFL to court if he's going to maintain he's innocent, while the NFL wants him to genuflect and kiss Roger's ring. And people are now pissed because it's still not enough punishment. Just cut his pecker off and be done with it already.
Look, he's been a sleezebag. OK, we get it! If the criteria for being an NFL player is being an alter boy then from now on only alter boys can play in the league. Ban him from the league and give the Browns the rest of the traded draft picks back. Then from now on anyone who does something stupid is banned...like Hunt, Ray Lewis, Rapistburger, etc., etc., etc., .......
They should've just taken the friggin' NFL to court if he's going to maintain he's innocent, while the NFL wants him to genuflect and kiss Roger's ring. And people are now pissed because it's still not enough punishment. Just cut his pecker off and be done with it already.
Look, he's been a sleezebag. OK, we get it! If the criteria for being an NFL player is being an alter boy then from now on only alter boys can play in the league. Ban him from the league and give the Browns the rest of the traded draft picks back. Then from now on anyone who does something stupid is banned...like Hunt, Ray Lewis, Rapistburger, etc., etc., etc., .......
I think you are talking apples and oranges with Hunt Lewis Roethlisberger Cheesecake Factory etc.
I can further discuss if you really don't get it but I'll bet you can.
Even if every single one of these women was a whore if you had a friend, family member coworker Etc that visited a house of ill repute on a nearly weekly basis (like Zombo ???) you'd think even if he wasn't a criminal he was kind of a sick fuck.
WSS
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They should've just taken the friggin' NFL to court if he's going to maintain he's innocent, while the NFL wants him to genuflect and kiss Roger's ring. And people are now pissed because it's still not enough punishment. Just cut his pecker off and be done with it already.
Look, he's been a sleezebag. OK, we get it! If the criteria for being an NFL player is being an alter boy then from now on only alter boys can play in the league. Ban him from the league and give the Browns the rest of the traded draft picks back. Then from now on anyone who does something stupid is banned...like Hunt, Ray Lewis, Rapistburger, etc., etc., etc., .......
I think you are talking apples and oranges with Hunt Lewis Roethlisberger Cheesecake Factory etc.
I can further discuss if you really don't get it but I'll bet you can.
Even if every single one of these women was a whore if you had a friend, family member coworker Etc that visited a house of ill repute on a nearly weekly basis (like Zombo ???) you'd think even if he wasn't a criminal he was kind of a sick fuck.
WSS
you'd think even if he wasn't a criminal he was kind of a sick fuck.
No argument. But being kind of a sick fuck has never been exclusionary. It used to be a semi-sought trait for non-skill positions. (although a somewhat different kind of sick).
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you'd think even if he wasn't a criminal he was kind of a sick fuck.
No argument. But being kind of a sick fuck has never been exclusionary. It used to be a semi-sought trait for non-skill positions. (although a somewhat different kind of sick).
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Shouldn't be hard considering you didn't say much to begin with.
I wrote two detailed paragraphs, and this is a fan forum. Do you want a 5 page, double spaced, citation paper? Or are you choosing not to read critically? In any case, it's not my concern.
And.. if you think 2 different grand juries failing to indict him assuming all the evidence is true was entirely a nothingburger I really don't know why you keep repeating ..
Fact: Grand juries start with the premise that if evidence is introduced, it's true. The purpose of a grand jury is to answer a [relatively] simple question.. IF the evidence is true, is this enough to move forward? Here's the law/the standard in one hand, here's our evidence in the other. Do they match.. that's it. Conviction isn't a consideration.
Yes, I understand grand juries well. My family has been practicing attorneys in South Florida for a combined 60 years, and presented to many grands juries in that time. I asked them their honest opinion of the matter, and it was a simple "indicting a ham sandwich is a myth". There's plenty of times where a grand jury doesn't indict as a miscarriage of justice. This, for example, is a good story (albeit older): https://www.recordonline.com/story/news/2000/11/03/exploding-myth-about-grand-juries/51197640007/
Here's another example in Texas of a man who has nearly 15 accusations of sexual assault not being indicted: https://www.dallasnews.com/news/investigations/2020/10/25/handcuffed-tied-down-beaten-pastor-rickie-rush-faces-new-allegations-of-abusing-children/
Sometimes the legal system doesn't hold up to abuse, but it doesn't mean it didn't happen.
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What will come of this?
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What will come of this?
Story feels reminiscent of a pretty famous story out of Steubenville, Ohio regarding high profile football players from the last decade. I believe at least one of the players had a full ride to Ohio State.
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What will come of this?
The Bills officially committed to Araiza as their starting punter earlier this week when they released veteran Matt Haack, leaving the rookie as the only punter on their roster. They did so reportedly knowing about the allegations against Araiza.
Flo's NFL statement..https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/08/25/nfl-cant-punish-matt-araiza-but-the-bills-could-cut-him-in-theory/
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Has Mr DW figured it out yet that he doesn't need to put up with all of this hassle ?
The Cleveland Browns have guaranteed his future of being a rich player no matter what he does or how he performs or even whether he's in shape or not.
He hasn't played in forever and is facing even more real NFL hitting and action to be lost. This in a game where not being 100% sharp is so crucial.
Bottom line the BROWNS are screwed.
Has Mr DW figured it out yet that he doesn't need to put up with all of this hassle ?
The Cleveland Browns have guaranteed his future of being a rich player no matter what he does or how he performs or even whether he's in shape or not.
He hasn't played in forever and is facing even more real NFL hitting and action to be lost. This in a game where not being 100% sharp is so crucial.
Bottom line the BROWNS are screwed.
Sorry I missed this post. Very interesting perspective!
A very big part of football is how a player or team responds to adversity. When character and leadership wasn't sufficient in Cleveland, adversity became an excuse for this franchise to accept losing. If some of the crap we've seen since 99 unfolded back in the 80s, there would be vocal guys like LB Mike Johnson and others. There were also quiet veteran leaders like Clay Matthews and Ozzie Newsome defining PROFESSIONALISM with work ethic, preparation (film study & practice) and unselfishly leaving his starting LB spot/comfort zone to fill in for an injured LB with a different role. And then there were the QBs featuring local favorite Bernie Kosar and Brian Sipe (from 13th round draft pick to NFL MVP).
One of the reasons I was excited we drafted Baker was adversity gave him all of the fuel he needed to make himself into a 1st round pick. Then, he started winning in a place that was 1-31 before him and winless his rookie year prior to taking the field with a 14 point deficit. He erased the deficit to help the Browns win; and excitement came back to the team and fan base. BUT, a big part of me opted to forget Baker's 1st college football team needed to upgrade him with more elite football skills via Patrick Mahomes. Now a pissed off Baker headed to Oklahoma, where he performed well enough to win the Heisman and get his team into the BCS final 4 with an exciting multiple OT game vrs Georgia. We know the rest. Baker helped get us out the worst 2 year period we've had, broke a rookie record for TD passes despite only 13 starts. Then came the wedding plans, commercials and other things that looked to be interfering with his original plan of attack for the lifelong dream. Not only that, but the more teams saw him on film - the more they could prove he's not an elite talent especially objective fans (unlike myself when it comes to Baker).
This year, here came an available Deshaun Watson with only 3 teams competing for his situation. When we got right down to it, that turned into only 1 team willing to compete. Looks like we're taking a step backward at first with a guy that once responded to every ounce of adversity Nick Saban and the best team in the country could throw at him. YES, that's only college football; but Alabama puts a lot of guys on NFL starting lineups. Like Bernie Kosar once helped transcend the Miami Hurricanes into a National Champion over a Nebraska team they weren't supposed to beat - Watson took Clemson to a level where they could win Championships. QBs that can transcend a major college football program to the elite - showcase the ability to overcome adversity. I'm very glad the NFL intervention is making Watson get the counseling he needs for the clear head required to take this team where we need him to. Meanwhile, I expect Baker to be Baker and bring some excitement and promise to Carolina after he loses to Cleveland. The problem is I don't know how long he is wired to maintain it for a coaching staff that can't afford him to fail or be inconsistent. More so, he has to prove he can handle success by remembering what it took to get there and working on weaknesses. He should contact Drew Brees because that guy took 4 years to launch.
Sorry for the length...
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Has Mr DW figured it out yet that he doesn't need to put up with all of this hassle ?
The Cleveland Browns have guaranteed his future of being a rich player no matter what he does or how he performs or even whether he's in shape or not.
He hasn't played in forever and is facing even more real NFL hitting and action to be lost. This in a game where not being 100% sharp is so crucial.
Bottom line the BROWNS are screwed.
Sorry I missed this post. Very interesting perspective!
A very big part of football is how a player or team responds to adversity. When character and leadership wasn't sufficient in Cleveland, adversity became an excuse for this franchise to accept losing. If some of the crap we've seen since 99 unfolded back in the 80s, there would be vocal guys like LB Mike Johnson and others. There were also quiet veteran leaders like Clay Matthews and Ozzie Newsome defining PROFESSIONALISM with work ethic, preparation (film study & practice) and unselfishly leaving his starting LB spot/comfort zone to fill in for an injured LB with a different role. And then there were the QBs featuring local favorite Bernie Kosar and Brian Sipe (from 13th round draft pick to NFL MVP).
One of the reasons I was excited we drafted Baker was adversity gave him all of the fuel he needed to make himself into a 1st round pick. Then, he started winning in a place that was 1-31 before him and winless his rookie year prior to taking the field with a 14 point deficit. He erased the deficit to help the Browns win; and excitement came back to the team and fan base. BUT, a big part of me opted to forget Baker's 1st college football team needed to upgrade him with more elite football skills via Patrick Mahomes. Now a pissed off Baker headed to Oklahoma, where he performed well enough to win the Heisman and get his team into the BCS final 4 with an exciting multiple OT game vrs Georgia. We know the rest. Baker helped get us out the worst 2 year period we've had, broke a rookie record for TD passes despite only 13 starts. Then came the wedding plans, commercials and other things that looked to be interfering with his original plan of attack for the lifelong dream. Not only that, but the more teams saw him on film - the more they could prove he's not an elite talent especially objective fans (unlike myself when it comes to Baker).
This year, here came an available Deshaun Watson with only 3 teams competing for his situation. When we got right down to it, that turned into only 1 team willing to compete. Looks like we're taking a step backward at first with a guy that once responded to every ounce of adversity Nick Saban and the best team in the country could throw at him. YES, that's only college football; but Alabama puts a lot of guys on NFL starting lineups. Like Bernie Kosar once helped transcend the Miami Hurricanes into a National Champion over a Nebraska team they weren't supposed to beat - Watson took Clemson to a level where they could win Championships. QBs that can transcend a major college football program to the elite - showcase the ability to overcome adversity. I'm very glad the NFL intervention is making Watson get the counseling he needs for the clear head required to take this team where we need him to. Meanwhile, I expect Baker to be Baker and bring some excitement and promise to Carolina after he loses to Cleveland. The problem is I don't know how long he is wired to maintain it for a coaching staff that can't afford him to fail or be inconsistent. More so, he has to prove he can handle success by remembering what it took to get there and working on weaknesses. He should contact Drew Brees because that guy took 4 years to launch.
Sorry for the length...
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