The Good, the bad, and the Lucky vs Steelers.
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It is early and there is still work but Coach it up, scheme it up and understand in the salary cap era we can’t have it all.
The FO can’t give Joe Woods everything…we are certainly doing our best to give him everything he needs.
2002 Colts defense
37 rush att vs in the playoffs
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200301040nyj.htm
2003 colts defense
27 rush att vs in the playoffs
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/clt/2003.htm
2004 colts defense
35 rush att vs in the playoffs
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200301040nyj.htm
2005 colts defense
37 rush att vs in the playoffs
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200601150clt.htm
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The years after, even including the SuperBowl run, were not kind. In truth, had the colts a defensive interior to match Freeney and Mathis, they likely would have gone to back to back Superbowls and not choked in 07 or 08 either.
I consider those colts teams as the predecessors to the current NFL as their primary personnel emphasis was on the passing game and pass rush. Especially in the AFCS at that point, which had no offense able to keep pace with Peyton Manning.
Anytime Indy faced a team that would attempt to win a shootout, go match for match at receiver or try to neutralize their pass rush via Oline and the quick pass game, those teams quickly fell behind. You simply weren't going to beat Peyton at his own game.
Enter New England, San Diego and Pittsburgh. Teams with offensive balance, but head coaches that were willing to run the rock early and often. As a result, you ended up with, at the time, were considered serious upsets. Because the most fundamentally and easily exploitable portion of your defense was so wildly imbalanced in relation to the rest of the teams strengths. It's no different then how we've see TEN with Derrick Henry get upsets on KC and BUF back to back years.
INDY was built to beat teams inferior to them, or teams designed in a similar mold. As I'm convinced they were at least a decade ahead of their time in this thought process.
The 2005 colts would thrive 17 years later in the modern NFL.
There is no "coach it up" when you straight up lack talent. That's akin to telling me to make the offense work with Johnny Manziel at QB.
"Scheme it up"... I'm going to need to see some specifics on how you would design things around our current defensive issues before giving you my thoughts. Because if you're going to say something like that, I'd expect details from someone possessed of knowledge.
Nobody would have blamed Tito for the Tribe getting 75 wins and an outside shot at a wildcard game. Not with the roster they currently have. But he overachieved with this group in classic Tito fashion. The problem with football, is that it's a much more ecosystem and physically driven game. So asking any coach to take 2nd and 3rd stringers, then forming a cohesive and effective unit that can mask their collective weakness is unfair and not founded in reality. Coaches might able to get all they can, but that mileage isn't very much with this current IDL group. There's a reason they start off drives hot, then look beaten down by middle of the 3rd.
I'm not saying it's possible to find Haloti Ngata and park him along this interior group. But I can't have teams, week after week, use the same methods to exploit systemic weakness. Because then we start to speak to things that go further up the chain of command than Joe Woods'.
INDY was built to beat teams inferior to them, or teams designed in a similar mold. As I'm convinced they were at least a decade ahead of their time in this thought process.
The 2005 colts would thrive 17 years later in the modern NFL.
I always thought the plan of attack of those Colts team was: We have Peyton Manning, we are going to score a lot of points on you quickly, you are going to be behind and become one-dimensional, we are going to pin our ears back with our great DEnds and kill your quarterback.
Hence why a team paying their QB a ton of money, and using a ton of space on him, Harrison, etc went cheap at DTackle, because they thought they could.
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Speaking of Ohio State, how did they lose to Michigan? They lost in the trenches, It doesn't matter how much Ohio State rathouses everyone else this year. If they're not ready to stop the run against a legit team - they're not going to win it all.
As for giving Joe Woods everything? Myles Garrett was drafted back in 2017. It's 2022; and where are any other bad asses on the Defensive Line? While JOK and Delpit seemed like ideal choices, both have missed more games to injury than they have started to date. Should we blame the Coordinator for those high round guys being injury prone? Delpit had some injuries at LSU too. So who else have we been spoiling Woods with? I'll concede the 2 first round corners are nice. And the rookie Emerson is already playing well. The breakdowns on the field are from the players not communicating. If they had any questions at all during the week of preparation - wasn't that a better time for professionals to make sure they got their answer? And what about halftime or in between series. This isn't youth football - it's okay to blame players too.
I LOVE to celebrate the Browns running game and the best starting Guards tandem in the league. Our whole offense is built around that so I find it odd that people are okay with we'll just blame Woods for everything and it'll all work out as soon as he gets fired.
Ohio State didn’t have good secondary play either just like the Browns
I gotta eat lunch. I’ll shoot these out…
2022- first two picks on defense.
2021- first two picks on defense.
2020- three of our first four picks on Defense.
We’ve done nothing for Myles except add one of the best free agent defensive pickups (back to back years) Jadevon Clowney to add to the other side.
I would celebrate our offensive line because we had a guy Seattle didn’t want as our starting center. He looks good thus far. James Hudson year 1 to 2 looks like a different guy. Injuries throughout the past three years it’s just next man up.
Ohio State didn’t have good secondary play either just like the Browns
I gotta eat lunch. I’ll shoot these out…
2022- first two picks on defense.
2021- first two picks on defense.
2020- three of our first four picks on Defense.
We’ve done nothing for Myles except add one of the best free agent defensive pickups (back to back years) Jadevon Clowney to add to the other side.
I would celebrate our offensive line because we had a guy Seattle didn’t want as our starting center. He looks good thus far. James Hudson year 1 to 2 looks like a different guy. Injuries throughout the past three years it’s just next man up.
You're gonna do that? Baker was a 1st overall pick and OL Austin Corbett was the 1st pick in round 2 at #33 overall same year. We added veteran WR Jarvis Landry and a little while later we added OBJ. TE David Njoku was drafted in round 1. We added Wills in round 1 of 2020 to play LT for pass pro. We paid big $ to TE Austin Hooper and drafted another TE Harrison Bryant. All that and what was the highest our passing game has ranked? So, what did we have to do? Commit 230 million $ to a QB that is suspended for 11 games this year. Here's the sad thing, we had the 1st overall pick in 2017 when we could have just drafted our 230 million $ man that we also surrendered THREE 1st round draft picks for instead of just drafting him under the rookie salary cap restrictions.
Again, Myles Garrett is our biggest and only bad ass on the DL against the run.
I already conceded we have 2 very good corners that we spent 1st round picks on (Ward and Newsome). JOK needs to stay healthy long enough for people to get excited about counting on him and same with Grant Delpit. Both guys are durability concerns until proven otherwise.
If teams gash our DTs- it's not because of the DC. It's because we're getting what we paid for. When we spent money on Sheldon Richardson, we went 11-5 and won in the first round of the playoffs. Maybe that's just a coincidence but our IDL sure felt a lot more reliable that year. We got rid of him but not to worry we had Billings who refused to play his 1st year and showed up overweight and empty hearted the next year. Then we drafted a head case like Winfrey in round 4 of 2022 - but let's make sure we keep all the blame on the DC trying to attack running games with pawns. Having said that, it didn't look like there was any drop-off after losing LBers Walker and JOK to injury. Fields, Takitaki and Phillips all played pretty well. Clowney can give us a good pass rush when he feels like it. The former 1st overall pick gave us 9 sacks in a 17 game season but I don't think he's anything special at all against the run.
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Ohio State didn’t have good secondary play either just like the Browns
I gotta eat lunch. I’ll shoot these out…
2022- first two picks on defense.
2021- first two picks on defense.
2020- three of our first four picks on Defense.
We’ve done nothing for Myles except add one of the best free agent defensive pickups (back to back years) Jadevon Clowney to add to the other side.
I would celebrate our offensive line because we had a guy Seattle didn’t want as our starting center. He looks good thus far. James Hudson year 1 to 2 looks like a different guy. Injuries throughout the past three years it’s just next man up.
You're gonna do that? Baker was a 1st overall pick and OL Austin Corbett was the 1st pick in round 2 at #33 overall same year. We added veteran WR Jarvis Landry and a little while later we added OBJ. TE David Njoku was drafted in round 1. We added Wills in round 1 of 2020 to play LT for pass pro. We paid big $ to TE Austin Hooper and drafted another TE Harrison Bryant. All that and what was the highest our passing game has ranked? So, what did we have to do? Commit 230 million $ to a QB that is suspended for 11 games this year. Here's the sad thing, we had the 1st overall pick in 2017 when we could have just drafted our 230 million $ man that we also surrendered THREE 1st round draft picks for instead of just drafting him under the rookie salary cap restrictions.
Again, Myles Garrett is our biggest and only bad ass on the DL against the run.
I already conceded we have 2 very good corners that we spent 1st round picks on (Ward and Newsome). JOK needs to stay healthy long enough for people to get excited about counting on him and same with Grant Delpit. Both guys are durability concerns until proven otherwise.
If teams gash our DTs- it's not because of the DC. It's because we're getting what we paid for. When we spent money on Sheldon Richardson, we went 11-5 and won in the first round of the playoffs. Maybe that's just a coincidence but our IDL sure felt a lot more reliable that year. We got rid of him but not to worry we had Billings who refused to play his 1st year and showed up overweight and empty hearted the next year. Then we drafted a head case like Winfrey in round 4 of 2022 - but let's make sure we keep all the blame on the DC trying to attack running games with pawns. Having said that, it didn't look like there was any drop-off after losing LBers Walker and JOK to injury. Fields, Takitaki and Phillips all played pretty well. Clowney can give us a good pass rush when he feels like it. The former 1st overall pick gave us 9 sacks in a 17 game season but I don't think he's anything special at all against the run.
You're gonna do that? Baker was a 1st overall pick and OL Austin Corbett was the 1st pick in round 2 at #33 overall same year. We added veteran WR Jarvis Landry and a little while later we added OBJ. TE David Njoku was drafted in round 1. We added Wills in round 1 of 2020 to play LT for pass pro. We paid big $ to TE Austin Hooper and drafted another TE Harrison Bryant. All that and what was the highest our passing game has ranked? So, what did we have to do? Commit 230 million $ to a QB that is suspended for 11 games this year. Here's the sad thing, we had the 1st overall pick in 2017 when we could have just drafted our 230 million $ man that we also surrendered THREE 1st round draft picks for instead of just drafting him under the rookie salary cap restrictions.
Again, Myles Garrett is our biggest and only bad ass on the DL against the run.
I already conceded we have 2 very good corners that we spent 1st round picks on (Ward and Newsome). JOK needs to stay healthy long enough for people to get excited about counting on him and same with Grant Delpit. Both guys are durability concerns until proven otherwise.
If teams gash our DTs- it's not because of the DC. It's because we're getting what we paid for. When we spent money on Sheldon Richardson, we went 11-5 and won in the first round of the playoffs. Maybe that's just a coincidence but our IDL sure felt a lot more reliable that year. We got rid of him but not to worry we had Billings who refused to play his 1st year and showed up overweight and empty hearted the next year. Then we drafted a head case like Winfrey in round 4 of 2022 - but let's make sure we keep all the blame on the DC trying to attack running games with pawns. Having said that, it didn't look like there was any drop-off after losing LBers Walker and JOK to injury. Fields, Takitaki and Phillips all played pretty well. Clowney can give us a good pass rush when he feels like it. The former 1st overall pick gave us 9 sacks in a 17 game season but I don't think he's anything special at all against the run.
Haha. Yeah I did.
Recent history of our top 8 picks in the last three drafts 7 of those picks have been on the defensive side of the ball. Doesn’t seem like a team not making the effort.
No objection to the QB under the rookie scale point. Blame Baker he was supposed to be that guy.
What defensive breakdowns happened in the Panther game? Did our interior defensive line give Delpit and Company too much time to not communicate well?
so we let a TE roam free and Baker hit his easiest pass TD ever and we cleaned this up the following week? Second and third time something like this happens I point at the top.
Jets game when we blitzed three or four and dropped everyone back in coverage- what coverage did we actually employ? Looked broken to me. I thought we had keeping it all in front of the defense covered the past three years
None of this suggests I’m happy with what we have at DT.
Do you think Clowney is not good against the run?
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INDY was built to beat teams inferior to them, or teams designed in a similar mold. As I'm convinced they were at least a decade ahead of their time in this thought process.
The 2005 colts would thrive 17 years later in the modern NFL.
I always thought the plan of attack of those Colts team was: We have Peyton Manning, we are going to score a lot of points on you quickly, you are going to be behind and become one-dimensional, we are going to pin our ears back with our great DEnds and kill your quarterback.
Hence why a team paying their QB a ton of money, and using a ton of space on him, Harrison, etc went cheap at DTackle, because they thought they could.
I always thought the plan of attack of those Colts team was: We have Peyton Manning, we are going to score a lot of points on you quickly, you are going to be behind and become one-dimensional, we are going to pin our ears back with our great DEnds and kill your quarterback.
Hence why a team paying their QB a ton of money, and using a ton of space on him, Harrison, etc went cheap at DTackle, because they thought they could.
And that was pretty much it. The Walsh/Wyche version of the "west coast" - throw early and often, then run the ball late(r) once you've built a lead. Problem is, doesn't always end up working out like that.
? Looked broken to me. I thought we had keeping it all in front of the defense covered the past three years
None of this suggests I’m happy with what we have at DT.
Do you think Clowney is not good against the run?
The first line suggests that "keeping it all in front of them" was a sound defensive strategy in your opinion?
RE: the secondary vis a vis the Dfront. One fix is done with better communication, better preparation and experience. Little beyond an infusion of talent itself will fix the other. So there are differences in terms of solutions that are being overlooked here.
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You're gonna do that? Baker was a 1st overall pick and OL Austin Corbett was the 1st pick in round 2 at #33 overall same year. We added veteran WR Jarvis Landry and a little while later we added OBJ. TE David Njoku was drafted in round 1. We added Wills in round 1 of 2020 to play LT for pass pro. We paid big $ to TE Austin Hooper and drafted another TE Harrison Bryant. All that and what was the highest our passing game has ranked? So, what did we have to do? Commit 230 million $ to a QB that is suspended for 11 games this year. Here's the sad thing, we had the 1st overall pick in 2017 when we could have just drafted our 230 million $ man that we also surrendered THREE 1st round draft picks for instead of just drafting him under the rookie salary cap restrictions.
Again, Myles Garrett is our biggest and only bad ass on the DL against the run.
I already conceded we have 2 very good corners that we spent 1st round picks on (Ward and Newsome). JOK needs to stay healthy long enough for people to get excited about counting on him and same with Grant Delpit. Both guys are durability concerns until proven otherwise.
If teams gash our DTs- it's not because of the DC. It's because we're getting what we paid for. When we spent money on Sheldon Richardson, we went 11-5 and won in the first round of the playoffs. Maybe that's just a coincidence but our IDL sure felt a lot more reliable that year. We got rid of him but not to worry we had Billings who refused to play his 1st year and showed up overweight and empty hearted the next year. Then we drafted a head case like Winfrey in round 4 of 2022 - but let's make sure we keep all the blame on the DC trying to attack running games with pawns. Having said that, it didn't look like there was any drop-off after losing LBers Walker and JOK to injury. Fields, Takitaki and Phillips all played pretty well. Clowney can give us a good pass rush when he feels like it. The former 1st overall pick gave us 9 sacks in a 17 game season but I don't think he's anything special at all against the run.
Haha. Yeah I did.
Recent history of our top 8 picks in the last three drafts 7 of those picks have been on the defensive side of the ball. Doesn’t seem like a team not making the effort.
No objection to the QB under the rookie scale point. Blame Baker he was supposed to be that guy.
What defensive breakdowns happened in the Panther game? Did our interior defensive line give Delpit and Company too much time to not communicate well?
so we let a TE roam free and Baker hit his easiest pass TD ever and we cleaned this up the following week? Second and third time something like this happens I point at the top.
Jets game when we blitzed three or four and dropped everyone back in coverage- what coverage did we actually employ? Looked broken to me. I thought we had keeping it all in front of the defense covered the past three years
None of this suggests I’m happy with what we have at DT.
Do you think Clowney is not good against the run?
Haha. Yeah I did.
Recent history of our top 8 picks in the last three drafts 7 of those picks have been on the defensive side of the ball. Doesn’t seem like a team not making the effort.
No objection to the QB under the rookie scale point. Blame Baker he was supposed to be that guy.
What defensive breakdowns happened in the Panther game? Did our interior defensive line give Delpit and Company too much time to not communicate well?
so we let a TE roam free and Baker hit his easiest pass TD ever and we cleaned this up the following week? Second and third time something like this happens I point at the top.
Jets game when we blitzed three or four and dropped everyone back in coverage- what coverage did we actually employ? Looked broken to me. I thought we had keeping it all in front of the defense covered the past three years
None of this suggests I’m happy with what we have at DT.
Do you think Clowney is not good against the run?
I can work with a lot of that especially that 1st line.
Did Baker draft himself at #1 overall? No. Did Cleveland draft 1st overall in 2017? That draft KC drafted Patrick Mahomes at #10 overall while Houston drafted Watson at #12 overall. Just think, if this franchise knew how to draft a QB - you wouldn't have been burdened with Baker right? Before you inform me a lot of people had questions about both guys - are you supposed to draft best football in rear the view mirror? Or, are you supposed to have all the right staff employed so you can draft and develop a guy with best football ahead (like Josh Allen)?
Your question about did the IDL give Delpit enough time to communicate. If he prepared properly in the film room - communication could have began as early as the pre-snap read of the formation. Same with the corner on that side of the field for that matter. You just want to funnel any/al blame to just the DC, not the players or the position coaches or the HC for teaching moments. Again, we have a HC with more responsibility than just the offense. You said you go straight to the top to assign blame but you're not doing that. Parcels used to go up 1 side of Bill Belichick and down the other if there was something the Defense was doing that he wanted fixed immediately. And why? Because he was the Head Coach.
Are you missing Bob Slowik's 20 yard cushions or something. Let me tell you how much fun that was watching the Browns DBs schemed up to forfeit defending countless passes. We're all concerned about Woods at varying degrees; but to blame every single thing on him when guys need to communicate with each other and/or ask questions during the week of preparation on anything unclear.
I think Clowney is okay vrs the run which means I'm not sold he's always giving it his all out there. If you disagree that's fine - I'll bet others do as well. Again, the only bad ass I see on the DL is Myles Garrett who should be freeing up IDL/guys with the attention he commands. Not happening though.
Since it's only week 3 without much of a pre-season, let's see what happens moving forward...
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I always thought the plan of attack of those Colts team was: We have Peyton Manning, we are going to score a lot of points on you quickly, you are going to be behind and become one-dimensional, we are going to pin our ears back with our great DEnds and kill your quarterback.
Hence why a team paying their QB a ton of money, and using a ton of space on him, Harrison, etc went cheap at DTackle, because they thought they could.
And that was pretty much it. The Walsh/Wyche version of the "west coast" - throw early and often, then run the ball late(r) once you've built a lead. Problem is, doesn't always end up working out like that.
? Looked broken to me. I thought we had keeping it all in front of the defense covered the past three years
None of this suggests I’m happy with what we have at DT.
Do you think Clowney is not good against the run?
The first line suggests that "keeping it all in front of them" was a sound defensive strategy in your opinion?
RE: the secondary vis a vis the Dfront. One fix is done with better communication, better preparation and experience. Little beyond an infusion of talent itself will fix the other. So there are differences in terms of solutions that are being overlooked here.
The first line suggests that "keeping it all in front of them" was a sound defensive strategy in your opinion?
RE: the secondary vis a vis the Dfront. One fix is done with better communication, better preparation and experience. Little beyond an infusion of talent itself will fix the other. So there are differences in terms of solutions that are being overlooked here.
Exactly!
If it's the next guy fans and sports media want to chase out of town (Woods) - they're not going to blame a veteran player for anything. Do we really have fans thinking why should Delpit start to communicate pre-snap if Joe Woods isn't screaming through a megaphone "don't forget to communicate starting now?" This stuff should be all squared away in the film room prep. If guys aren't asking questions about certain scenarios they are anticipating - they're probably not the type of guys that are going to be accountable for their mistakes on game day. Finger pointing and/or "it's not my fault" is a symptom of this lack of professionalism. Nick Chubb, on the other hand, stepped up and blamed himself for the loss to the Jets. The "players only" meeting was a great idea; and the Browns won just 4 days later.
Woods was here when this team went 11-5 and won a playoff game. Please feel free to check how much turnovers helped the Browns win that playoff game. That's proof the Browns can win with him IF the players prepare, communicate and do their jobs like the PROFESSIONALS on that team did. We've seen it. I'm not saying Woods is perfect by any means; but let's try to hold these well paid players a little more accountable than refusing to blame them for anything.
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Recruit for a better interior VS hold to account for multiple games of unacceptable blown coverages and generally underwhelming secondary play (i.e. fire Woods)...
Can't we just do both? -
Haha. Yeah I did.
Recent history of our top 8 picks in the last three drafts 7 of those picks have been on the defensive side of the ball. Doesn’t seem like a team not making the effort.
No objection to the QB under the rookie scale point. Blame Baker he was supposed to be that guy.
What defensive breakdowns happened in the Panther game? Did our interior defensive line give Delpit and Company too much time to not communicate well?
so we let a TE roam free and Baker hit his easiest pass TD ever and we cleaned this up the following week? Second and third time something like this happens I point at the top.
Jets game when we blitzed three or four and dropped everyone back in coverage- what coverage did we actually employ? Looked broken to me. I thought we had keeping it all in front of the defense covered the past three years
None of this suggests I’m happy with what we have at DT.
Do you think Clowney is not good against the run?
I can work with a lot of that especially that 1st line.
Did Baker draft himself at #1 overall? No. Did Cleveland draft 1st overall in 2017? That draft KC drafted Patrick Mahomes at #10 overall while Houston drafted Watson at #12 overall. Just think, if this franchise knew how to draft a QB - you wouldn't have been burdened with Baker right? Before you inform me a lot of people had questions about both guys - are you supposed to draft best football in rear the view mirror? Or, are you supposed to have all the right staff employed so you can draft and develop a guy with best football ahead (like Josh Allen)?
Your question about did the IDL give Delpit enough time to communicate. If he prepared properly in the film room - communication could have began as early as the pre-snap read of the formation. Same with the corner on that side of the field for that matter. You just want to funnel any/al blame to just the DC, not the players or the position coaches or the HC for teaching moments. Again, we have a HC with more responsibility than just the offense. You said you go straight to the top to assign blame but you're not doing that. Parcels used to go up 1 side of Bill Belichick and down the other if there was something the Defense was doing that he wanted fixed immediately. And why? Because he was the Head Coach.
Are you missing Bob Slowik's 20 yard cushions or something. Let me tell you how much fun that was watching the Browns DBs schemed up to forfeit defending countless passes. We're all concerned about Woods at varying degrees; but to blame every single thing on him when guys need to communicate with each other and/or ask questions during the week of preparation on anything unclear.
I think Clowney is okay vrs the run which means I'm not sold he's always giving it his all out there. If you disagree that's fine - I'll bet others do as well. Again, the only bad ass I see on the DL is Myles Garrett who should be freeing up IDL/guys with the attention he commands. Not happening though.
Since it's only week 3 without much of a pre-season, let's see what happens moving forward...
I can work with a lot of that especially that 1st line.
Did Baker draft himself at #1 overall? No. Did Cleveland draft 1st overall in 2017? That draft KC drafted Patrick Mahomes at #10 overall while Houston drafted Watson at #12 overall. Just think, if this franchise knew how to draft a QB - you wouldn't have been burdened with Baker right? Before you inform me a lot of people had questions about both guys - are you supposed to draft best football in rear the view mirror? Or, are you supposed to have all the right staff employed so you can draft and develop a guy with best football ahead (like Josh Allen)?
Your question about did the IDL give Delpit enough time to communicate. If he prepared properly in the film room - communication could have began as early as the pre-snap read of the formation. Same with the corner on that side of the field for that matter. You just want to funnel any/al blame to just the DC, not the players or the position coaches or the HC for teaching moments. Again, we have a HC with more responsibility than just the offense. You said you go straight to the top to assign blame but you're not doing that. Parcels used to go up 1 side of Bill Belichick and down the other if there was something the Defense was doing that he wanted fixed immediately. And why? Because he was the Head Coach.
Are you missing Bob Slowik's 20 yard cushions or something. Let me tell you how much fun that was watching the Browns DBs schemed up to forfeit defending countless passes. We're all concerned about Woods at varying degrees; but to blame every single thing on him when guys need to communicate with each other and/or ask questions during the week of preparation on anything unclear.
I think Clowney is okay vrs the run which means I'm not sold he's always giving it his all out there. If you disagree that's fine - I'll bet others do as well. Again, the only bad ass I see on the DL is Myles Garrett who should be freeing up IDL/guys with the attention he commands. Not happening though.
Since it's only week 3 without much of a pre-season, let's see what happens moving forward...
“Did Baker draft himself #1 overall” - is this a defense of Baker like he didn’t ask for this?
Let me drive this home one more time….the Panther game and the broken coverages should have been a blessing for the next week. We won that game but had some critical bizarre broken coverages that you see at the HS level. These are the best Teaching moments correcting mistakes and miscommunication after a victory. Joe and Staff should have spent Sunday Night to Sunday Morning making sure the communication issues didn’t happen again. Joe was secondary coach for the Niners he wouldn’t step in here and be pissed after that Panther game. That is his responsibility and he was put on notice after the Panther game….Kevin’s too. I’m going to confidently say if this uneven defensive play continues and our offense continues to play well- I’ll guarantee it will be on Woods lap and not Kevin’s.
I don’t have hours to pour over Clowneys recent play but I will say he was widely known around the league as a very good run defender and kind of a disappointment in regard to pass rushing. The numbers and PFF scores and likely film support this assertion. I don’t know if his play/effort was lackluster against the Panthers and half of the Jets game.Our defense is averaging 4.1 yards per carry that’s good for 11th in league. Now I think we have some talent issues in our interior. We don’t have the perfect roster and at this position it is evident. And it is a surprise to me that we are getting attacked and beaten in our secondary. I’m disappointed in that group - based on the signings and draft capital we have placed an emphasis on infusing this team with fast twitchy cover guys.
Recruit for a better interior VS hold to account for multiple games of unacceptable blown coverages and generally underwhelming secondary play (i.e. fire Woods)...
Can't we just do both?Yes we should. It’s maddening because we have talent in the secondary and they can play better.
did you expect more from this secondary?
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I can work with a lot of that especially that 1st line.
Did Baker draft himself at #1 overall? No. Did Cleveland draft 1st overall in 2017? That draft KC drafted Patrick Mahomes at #10 overall while Houston drafted Watson at #12 overall. Just think, if this franchise knew how to draft a QB - you wouldn't have been burdened with Baker right? Before you inform me a lot of people had questions about both guys - are you supposed to draft best football in rear the view mirror? Or, are you supposed to have all the right staff employed so you can draft and develop a guy with best football ahead (like Josh Allen)?
Your question about did the IDL give Delpit enough time to communicate. If he prepared properly in the film room - communication could have began as early as the pre-snap read of the formation. Same with the corner on that side of the field for that matter. You just want to funnel any/al blame to just the DC, not the players or the position coaches or the HC for teaching moments. Again, we have a HC with more responsibility than just the offense. You said you go straight to the top to assign blame but you're not doing that. Parcels used to go up 1 side of Bill Belichick and down the other if there was something the Defense was doing that he wanted fixed immediately. And why? Because he was the Head Coach.
Are you missing Bob Slowik's 20 yard cushions or something. Let me tell you how much fun that was watching the Browns DBs schemed up to forfeit defending countless passes. We're all concerned about Woods at varying degrees; but to blame every single thing on him when guys need to communicate with each other and/or ask questions during the week of preparation on anything unclear.
I think Clowney is okay vrs the run which means I'm not sold he's always giving it his all out there. If you disagree that's fine - I'll bet others do as well. Again, the only bad ass I see on the DL is Myles Garrett who should be freeing up IDL/guys with the attention he commands. Not happening though.
Since it's only week 3 without much of a pre-season, let's see what happens moving forward...
“Did Baker draft himself #1 overall” - is this a defense of Baker like he didn’t ask for this?
Let me drive this home one more time….the Panther game and the broken coverages should have been a blessing for the next week. We won that game but had some critical bizarre broken coverages that you see at the HS level. These are the best Teaching moments correcting mistakes and miscommunication after a victory. Joe and Staff should have spent Sunday Night to Sunday Morning making sure the communication issues didn’t happen again. Joe was secondary coach for the Niners he wouldn’t step in here and be pissed after that Panther game. That is his responsibility and he was put on notice after the Panther game….Kevin’s too. I’m going to confidently say if this uneven defensive play continues and our offense continues to play well- I’ll guarantee it will be on Woods lap and not Kevin’s.
I don’t have hours to pour over Clowneys recent play but I will say he was widely known around the league as a very good run defender and kind of a disappointment in regard to pass rushing. The numbers and PFF scores and likely film support this assertion. I don’t know if his play/effort was lackluster against the Panthers and half of the Jets game.Our defense is averaging 4.1 yards per carry that’s good for 11th in league. Now I think we have some talent issues in our interior. We don’t have the perfect roster and at this position it is evident. And it is a surprise to me that we are getting attacked and beaten in our secondary. I’m disappointed in that group - based on the signings and draft capital we have placed an emphasis on infusing this team with fast twitchy cover guys.
Recruit for a better interior VS hold to account for multiple games of unacceptable blown coverages and generally underwhelming secondary play (i.e. fire Woods)...
Can't we just do both?Yes we should. It’s maddening because we have talent in the secondary and they can play better.
did you expect more from this secondary?
did you expect more from this secondary?
Affirmative!
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Nobody even challenges Newsome. ?
good stuff - that brings to mind a question. Newsome's huge helmet to the small of the back on Wilson -
shouldn't a flag been thrown for spearing/targeting/? IT wasn't though, I just don't know the rule.
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Injuries. Losing Anthony Walker is a critical blow and JOK getting hurt certainly makes it worse. Now, Walker is unfortunately gone for the year, whereas I expect JOK to only miss 1 game if any.
Special Teams. Guys, I'm over it. 12 men on the field on a FIELD GOAL, a blocked punt, a missed XP, and the worst onsides kick coverage ever. What the HELL is going on? And if I see another returner take the ball from the end zone with dillusions of grandeur, I'll gonna have a panic attack. ?
I'm sorry it was so long, I tried to leave lots for you guys. It's a simply terrific victory and we needed it. I never get tired of beating the Steelers! WOOF WOOF!
Nice job with that Jiggs!
I was reviewing all the ST blunders with someone online and I can't believe I forgot to mention the 12 men on the field. That really speaks volumes about my attention to detail these days. Man, the blocked punt and another missed extra point? We didn't spend a draft pick on York for him to be the next Steve Cox (only trusted for long FGs and putting kickoffs out of the end zone). We drafted York wanting him to be the next Phil Dawson (accurate from everywhere). I think he'll get that ironed out; but we need that now,,,
After JOK and Walker got injured - I thought Phillips, Fields and Takitaki played well for us.
A potential concern, our defense got gashed against the run in the 1st half. I'm guessing our next opponent will test this next week.
All that aside, I'm very happy this team began the week with a very necessary player's only meeting. It translated into a victory on the field for us to enjoy!
After JOK and Walker got injured - I thought Phillips, Fields and Takitaki played well for us.
This is a terrific point. I thought we were in deep trouble after those two went down, but our other backers made some plays! Now, I expect JOK to be back, but that's just wishful thinking and not born of anything factual.
What we really need is Myles and Clowney to both play, but I wouldn't hold your breath. Myles won't be able to MOVE for a week or two.
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I can work with a lot of that especially that 1st line.
Did Baker draft himself at #1 overall? No. Did Cleveland draft 1st overall in 2017? That draft KC drafted Patrick Mahomes at #10 overall while Houston drafted Watson at #12 overall. Just think, if this franchise knew how to draft a QB - you wouldn't have been burdened with Baker right? Before you inform me a lot of people had questions about both guys - are you supposed to draft best football in rear the view mirror? Or, are you supposed to have all the right staff employed so you can draft and develop a guy with best football ahead (like Josh Allen)?
Your question about did the IDL give Delpit enough time to communicate. If he prepared properly in the film room - communication could have began as early as the pre-snap read of the formation. Same with the corner on that side of the field for that matter. You just want to funnel any/al blame to just the DC, not the players or the position coaches or the HC for teaching moments. Again, we have a HC with more responsibility than just the offense. You said you go straight to the top to assign blame but you're not doing that. Parcels used to go up 1 side of Bill Belichick and down the other if there was something the Defense was doing that he wanted fixed immediately. And why? Because he was the Head Coach.
Are you missing Bob Slowik's 20 yard cushions or something. Let me tell you how much fun that was watching the Browns DBs schemed up to forfeit defending countless passes. We're all concerned about Woods at varying degrees; but to blame every single thing on him when guys need to communicate with each other and/or ask questions during the week of preparation on anything unclear.
I think Clowney is okay vrs the run which means I'm not sold he's always giving it his all out there. If you disagree that's fine - I'll bet others do as well. Again, the only bad ass I see on the DL is Myles Garrett who should be freeing up IDL/guys with the attention he commands. Not happening though.
Since it's only week 3 without much of a pre-season, let's see what happens moving forward...
“Did Baker draft himself #1 overall” - is this a defense of Baker like he didn’t ask for this?
Let me drive this home one more time….the Panther game and the broken coverages should have been a blessing for the next week. We won that game but had some critical bizarre broken coverages that you see at the HS level. These are the best Teaching moments correcting mistakes and miscommunication after a victory. Joe and Staff should have spent Sunday Night to Sunday Morning making sure the communication issues didn’t happen again. Joe was secondary coach for the Niners he wouldn’t step in here and be pissed after that Panther game. That is his responsibility and he was put on notice after the Panther game….Kevin’s too. I’m going to confidently say if this uneven defensive play continues and our offense continues to play well- I’ll guarantee it will be on Woods lap and not Kevin’s.
I don’t have hours to pour over Clowneys recent play but I will say he was widely known around the league as a very good run defender and kind of a disappointment in regard to pass rushing. The numbers and PFF scores and likely film support this assertion. I don’t know if his play/effort was lackluster against the Panthers and half of the Jets game.Our defense is averaging 4.1 yards per carry that’s good for 11th in league. Now I think we have some talent issues in our interior. We don’t have the perfect roster and at this position it is evident. And it is a surprise to me that we are getting attacked and beaten in our secondary. I’m disappointed in that group - based on the signings and draft capital we have placed an emphasis on infusing this team with fast twitchy cover guys.
Recruit for a better interior VS hold to account for multiple games of unacceptable blown coverages and generally underwhelming secondary play (i.e. fire Woods)...
Can't we just do both?Yes we should. It’s maddening because we have talent in the secondary and they can play better.
did you expect more from this secondary?
“Did Baker draft himself #1 overall” - is this a defense of Baker like he didn’t ask for this?
Yes we should. It’s maddening because we have talent in the secondary and they can play better.
did you expect more from this secondary?
You're missing by a mile. Again, did Baker draft himself at #1 overall? I'm not asking for 50 reasons why you hate the guy or even more reasons why I was wrong about him. You play a lot of Dodge Ball with where to assign blame. Our FO and Owner brought Baker to you - nobody else. Not good enough = not good enough. We went 0-16 to make him the alleged solution with a 1st overall pick right? Just yes or no here - could we have drafted Josh Allen instead? That was 1 year after we could have draft Mahomes or Watson with our previous #1 overall. Let the countless excuses begin.... KC and Buffalo thoroughly researched their guys to be sure it was someone they were prepared/committed to develop. Consequently, they deserve to be elite.
I like our Corners a lot. I've heard Delpit is talented by he's very injury prone and I'm not sure how smart he is yet. Tia gave a good reason why Johnson was more effective in LA. We're gonna need a pass rush to help them out moving forward. Let's hope we have depth at edge rush. I'm hopeful these guys will pull together. They gotta prepare like professionals. Teams with ideal veteran Team Leaders help show younger guys this.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
“Did Baker draft himself #1 overall” - is this a defense of Baker like he didn’t ask for this?
Yes we should. It’s maddening because we have talent in the secondary and they can play better.
did you expect more from this secondary?
You're missing by a mile. Again, did Baker draft himself at #1 overall? I'm not asking for 50 reasons why you hate the guy or even more reasons why I was wrong about him. You play a lot of Dodge Ball with where to assign blame. Our FO and Owner brought Baker to you - nobody else. Not good enough = not good enough. We went 0-16 to make him the alleged solution with a 1st overall pick right? Just yes or no here - could we have drafted Josh Allen instead? That was 1 year after we could have draft Mahomes or Watson with our previous #1 overall. Let the countless excuses begin.... KC and Buffalo thoroughly researched their guys to be sure it was someone they were prepared/committed to develop. Consequently, they deserve to be elite.
I like our Corners a lot. I've heard Delpit is talented by he's very injury prone and I'm not sure how smart he is yet. Tia gave a good reason why Johnson was more effective in LA. We're gonna need a pass rush to help them out moving forward. Let's hope we have depth at edge rush. I'm hopeful these guys will pull together. They gotta prepare like professionals. Teams with ideal veteran Team Leaders help show younger guys this.
You're missing by a mile. Again, did Baker draft himself at #1 overall? I'm not asking for 50 reasons why you hate the guy or even more reasons why I was wrong about him. You play a lot of Dodge Ball with where to assign blame. Our FO and Owner brought Baker to you - nobody else. Not good enough = not good enough. We went 0-16 to make him the alleged solution with a 1st overall pick right? Just yes or no here - could we have drafted Josh Allen instead? That was 1 year after we could have draft Mahomes or Watson with our previous #1 overall. Let the countless excuses begin.... KC and Buffalo thoroughly researched their guys to be sure it was someone they were prepared/committed to develop. Consequently, they deserve to be elite.
I like our Corners a lot. I've heard Delpit is talented by he's very injury prone and I'm not sure how smart he is yet. Tia gave a good reason why Johnson was more effective in LA. We're gonna need a pass rush to help them out moving forward. Let's hope we have depth at edge rush. I'm hopeful these guys will pull together. They gotta prepare like professionals. Teams with ideal veteran Team Leaders help show younger guys this.
With Joe Woods running the D... I don't see this becoming a Pass Rushing team anytime soon.... This is more like Bill Arnsparger on steroids prevent D. I'm so sick of everything being "Nickel" "Nickel" "Nickel"
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
You're missing by a mile. Again, did Baker draft himself at #1 overall? I'm not asking for 50 reasons why you hate the guy or even more reasons why I was wrong about him. You play a lot of Dodge Ball with where to assign blame. Our FO and Owner brought Baker to you - nobody else. Not good enough = not good enough. We went 0-16 to make him the alleged solution with a 1st overall pick right? Just yes or no here - could we have drafted Josh Allen instead? That was 1 year after we could have draft Mahomes or Watson with our previous #1 overall. Let the countless excuses begin.... KC and Buffalo thoroughly researched their guys to be sure it was someone they were prepared/committed to develop. Consequently, they deserve to be elite.
I like our Corners a lot. I've heard Delpit is talented by he's very injury prone and I'm not sure how smart he is yet. Tia gave a good reason why Johnson was more effective in LA. We're gonna need a pass rush to help them out moving forward. Let's hope we have depth at edge rush. I'm hopeful these guys will pull together. They gotta prepare like professionals. Teams with ideal veteran Team Leaders help show younger guys this.
With Joe Woods running the D... I don't see this becoming a Pass Rushing team anytime soon.... This is more like Bill Arnsparger on steroids prevent D. I'm so sick of everything being "Nickel" "Nickel" "Nickel"
With Joe Woods running the D... I don't see this becoming a Pass Rushing team anytime soon.... This is more like Bill Arnsparger on steroids prevent D. I'm so sick of everything being "Nickel" "Nickel" "Nickel"
We will when we get four Pro Bowlers upfront. I will not hold my breath in the salary cap era for that
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“Did Baker draft himself #1 overall” - is this a defense of Baker like he didn’t ask for this?
Yes we should. It’s maddening because we have talent in the secondary and they can play better.
did you expect more from this secondary?
You're missing by a mile. Again, did Baker draft himself at #1 overall? I'm not asking for 50 reasons why you hate the guy or even more reasons why I was wrong about him. You play a lot of Dodge Ball with where to assign blame. Our FO and Owner brought Baker to you - nobody else. Not good enough = not good enough. We went 0-16 to make him the alleged solution with a 1st overall pick right? Just yes or no here - could we have drafted Josh Allen instead? That was 1 year after we could have draft Mahomes or Watson with our previous #1 overall. Let the countless excuses begin.... KC and Buffalo thoroughly researched their guys to be sure it was someone they were prepared/committed to develop. Consequently, they deserve to be elite.
I like our Corners a lot. I've heard Delpit is talented by he's very injury prone and I'm not sure how smart he is yet. Tia gave a good reason why Johnson was more effective in LA. We're gonna need a pass rush to help them out moving forward. Let's hope we have depth at edge rush. I'm hopeful these guys will pull together. They gotta prepare like professionals. Teams with ideal veteran Team Leaders help show younger guys this.
You're missing by a mile. Again, did Baker draft himself at #1 overall? I'm not asking for 50 reasons why you hate the guy or even more reasons why I was wrong about him. You play a lot of Dodge Ball with where to assign blame. Our FO and Owner brought Baker to you - nobody else. Not good enough = not good enough. We went 0-16 to make him the alleged solution with a 1st overall pick right? Just yes or no here - could we have drafted Josh Allen instead? That was 1 year after we could have draft Mahomes or Watson with our previous #1 overall. Let the countless excuses begin.... KC and Buffalo thoroughly researched their guys to be sure it was someone they were prepared/committed to develop. Consequently, they deserve to be elite.
I like our Corners a lot. I've heard Delpit is talented by he's very injury prone and I'm not sure how smart he is yet. Tia gave a good reason why Johnson was more effective in LA. We're gonna need a pass rush to help them out moving forward. Let's hope we have depth at edge rush. I'm hopeful these guys will pull together. They gotta prepare like professionals. Teams with ideal veteran Team Leaders help show younger guys this.
Not really but We are off on this QB tangent.
If we are going to quote Tia ( I’ll paraphrase and he can wordsmith) Josh Allen wouldn’t have worked out here or at least he had doubts he would have the success he has had in Buffalo with our organization. I would have passed on him too…he couldn’t put the ball where it needed to be. Watch some old Josh videos at WYO…lots of credit to the work he’s put in and the odds he overcame. Most scouts don’t like QBs that can’t put the ball where it needs to be…unless they believe the QBs mechanics can be fixed.
Not sure on Mahomes…Graham Harrell was arguably the Best Tech QB before Mahomes how did he work out. I can’t recall the scouting report other than he could throw the ball a mile. The Browns weren’t the only organization feeling something
I blame the Browns FO for bringing us Johnny Foosball.
Brandon Weeden.
Brady Quinn.
In Re. Johnson. So if he’s miscast in this defense or doesn’t have Aaron Donald to cave a pocket so he can do his job - do we blame the front office who may not have asked Joe what type of safety do you need? Do you think it was never discussed with Joe? Maybe Johnson got paid like some free agents and the drive and motivation took a nose dive? Wouldn’t a defensive staff try to put a key piece to this defense in areas where he can flourish? or does he just need a good defensive line and pass rush and he can play safety better? These are serious questions curious what you and others think.
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We are 2-1 because of our secondary.
That’s not to say the weak defensive interior will get taken advantage this week when Atlanta runs zone read plays.
But to date NFL is a bottom line game. Our overpriced secondary which I expected more from has let this team down. Pardon my focus here
We better step up here: London and Pitts are tough matchups. And we know Joe doesn’t like to bring pressure
We are 2-1 because of our secondary.
That’s not to say the weak defensive interior will get taken advantage this week when Atlanta runs zone read plays.
But to date NFL is a bottom line game. Our overpriced secondary which I expected more from has let this team down. Pardon my focus here
We better step up here: London and Pitts are tough matchups. And we know Joe doesn’t like to bring pressure
You did a nice job with that! Speaking of pressure, both Clowney and Garrett have injuries that will effect/limit their availability. When healthy, that's 2 former 1st overall picks edge rush talents I'm guessing Joe wants to rely on for the QB pressures so it doesn't mess with the numbers he likes to have at the back end. You just mentioned giant and talented targets like London and Pitts while Mariota has some mobility to worry about. If the Browns blitz somebody that doesn't get to the QB - they've just made those 2 guys even tougher to defend. Our guys gotta be communicating from the pre-snap formation on.
Not to give you the heebee geebees but now that there's an inevitable injury volume on our defense - this is where I want to see what Joe Woods is made of.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
You're missing by a mile. Again, did Baker draft himself at #1 overall? I'm not asking for 50 reasons why you hate the guy or even more reasons why I was wrong about him. You play a lot of Dodge Ball with where to assign blame. Our FO and Owner brought Baker to you - nobody else. Not good enough = not good enough. We went 0-16 to make him the alleged solution with a 1st overall pick right? Just yes or no here - could we have drafted Josh Allen instead? That was 1 year after we could have draft Mahomes or Watson with our previous #1 overall. Let the countless excuses begin.... KC and Buffalo thoroughly researched their guys to be sure it was someone they were prepared/committed to develop. Consequently, they deserve to be elite.
I like our Corners a lot. I've heard Delpit is talented by he's very injury prone and I'm not sure how smart he is yet. Tia gave a good reason why Johnson was more effective in LA. We're gonna need a pass rush to help them out moving forward. Let's hope we have depth at edge rush. I'm hopeful these guys will pull together. They gotta prepare like professionals. Teams with ideal veteran Team Leaders help show younger guys this.
Not really but We are off on this QB tangent.
If we are going to quote Tia ( I’ll paraphrase and he can wordsmith) Josh Allen wouldn’t have worked out here or at least he had doubts he would have the success he has had in Buffalo with our organization. I would have passed on him too…he couldn’t put the ball where it needed to be. Watch some old Josh videos at WYO…lots of credit to the work he’s put in and the odds he overcame. Most scouts don’t like QBs that can’t put the ball where it needs to be…unless they believe the QBs mechanics can be fixed.
Not sure on Mahomes…Graham Harrell was arguably the Best Tech QB before Mahomes how did he work out. I can’t recall the scouting report other than he could throw the ball a mile. The Browns weren’t the only organization feeling something
I blame the Browns FO for bringing us Johnny Foosball.
Brandon Weeden.
Brady Quinn.
In Re. Johnson. So if he’s miscast in this defense or doesn’t have Aaron Donald to cave a pocket so he can do his job - do we blame the front office who may not have asked Joe what type of safety do you need? Do you think it was never discussed with Joe? Maybe Johnson got paid like some free agents and the drive and motivation took a nose dive? Wouldn’t a defensive staff try to put a key piece to this defense in areas where he can flourish? or does he just need a good defensive line and pass rush and he can play safety better? These are serious questions curious what you and others think.
Not really but We are off on this QB tangent.
If we are going to quote Tia ( I’ll paraphrase and he can wordsmith) Josh Allen wouldn’t have worked out here or at least he had doubts he would have the success he has had in Buffalo with our organization. I would have passed on him too…he couldn’t put the ball where it needed to be. Watch some old Josh videos at WYO…lots of credit to the work he’s put in and the odds he overcame. Most scouts don’t like QBs that can’t put the ball where it needs to be…unless they believe the QBs mechanics can be fixed.
You weren't here yet; but I didn't want Josh Allen either. I've mentioned it numerous times. Do you know what you, me and Tia have in common? None of us are being paid to work in an NFL FO regardless of how passionate and educated we are about the Browns and football. Buffalo didn't draft the rear view mirror. They looked at flaws they felt they could change to go in tandem with the sum of strengths that intrigued them. More specifically, they planned on committing to their investment like the Chiefs did with Mahomes, who didn't start as a rookie. The only time this franchise drafted a QB capable of consistently leading us deep into the playoffs was when they drafted Bernie Kosar in the Supplemental Draft way back in 1985.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
Not really but We are off on this QB tangent.
If we are going to quote Tia ( I’ll paraphrase and he can wordsmith) Josh Allen wouldn’t have worked out here or at least he had doubts he would have the success he has had in Buffalo with our organization. I would have passed on him too…he couldn’t put the ball where it needed to be. Watch some old Josh videos at WYO…lots of credit to the work he’s put in and the odds he overcame. Most scouts don’t like QBs that can’t put the ball where it needs to be…unless they believe the QBs mechanics can be fixed.
You weren't here yet; but I didn't want Josh Allen either. I've mentioned it numerous times. Do you know what you, me and Tia have in common? None of us are being paid to work in an NFL FO regardless of how passionate and educated we are about the Browns and football. Buffalo didn't draft the rear view mirror. They looked at flaws they felt they could change to go in tandem with the sum of strengths that intrigued them. More specifically, they planned on committing to their investment like the Chiefs did with Mahomes, who didn't start as a rookie. The only time this franchise drafted a QB capable of consistently leading us deep into the playoffs was when they drafted Bernie Kosar in the Supplemental Draft way back in 1985.
You weren't here yet; but I didn't want Josh Allen either. I've mentioned it numerous times. Do you know what you, me and Tia have in common? None of us are being paid to work in an NFL FO regardless of how passionate and educated we are about the Browns and football. Buffalo didn't draft the rear view mirror. They looked at flaws they felt they could change to go in tandem with the sum of strengths that intrigued them. More specifically, they planned on committing to their investment like the Chiefs did with Mahomes, who didn't start as a rookie. The only time this franchise drafted a QB capable of consistently leading us deep into the playoffs was when they drafted Bernie Kosar in the Supplemental Draft way back in 1985.
If Buffalo had the #1 overall pick in that draft, do you think they would have still taken Allen?
I have doubts.
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I can work with a lot of that especially that 1st line.
Did Baker draft himself at #1 overall? No. Did Cleveland draft 1st overall in 2017? That draft KC drafted Patrick Mahomes at #10 overall while Houston drafted Watson at #12 overall. Just think, if this franchise knew how to draft a QB - you wouldn't have been burdened with Baker right? Before you inform me a lot of people had questions about both guys - are you supposed to draft best football in rear the view mirror? Or, are you supposed to have all the right staff employed so you can draft and develop a guy with best football ahead (like Josh Allen)?
Your question about did the IDL give Delpit enough time to communicate. If he prepared properly in the film room - communication could have began as early as the pre-snap read of the formation. Same with the corner on that side of the field for that matter. You just want to funnel any/al blame to just the DC, not the players or the position coaches or the HC for teaching moments. Again, we have a HC with more responsibility than just the offense. You said you go straight to the top to assign blame but you're not doing that. Parcels used to go up 1 side of Bill Belichick and down the other if there was something the Defense was doing that he wanted fixed immediately. And why? Because he was the Head Coach.
Are you missing Bob Slowik's 20 yard cushions or something. Let me tell you how much fun that was watching the Browns DBs schemed up to forfeit defending countless passes. We're all concerned about Woods at varying degrees; but to blame every single thing on him when guys need to communicate with each other and/or ask questions during the week of preparation on anything unclear.
I think Clowney is okay vrs the run which means I'm not sold he's always giving it his all out there. If you disagree that's fine - I'll bet others do as well. Again, the only bad ass I see on the DL is Myles Garrett who should be freeing up IDL/guys with the attention he commands. Not happening though.
Since it's only week 3 without much of a pre-season, let's see what happens moving forward...
“Did Baker draft himself #1 overall” - is this a defense of Baker like he didn’t ask for this?
Let me drive this home one more time….the Panther game and the broken coverages should have been a blessing for the next week. We won that game but had some critical bizarre broken coverages that you see at the HS level. These are the best Teaching moments correcting mistakes and miscommunication after a victory. Joe and Staff should have spent Sunday Night to Sunday Morning making sure the communication issues didn’t happen again. Joe was secondary coach for the Niners he wouldn’t step in here and be pissed after that Panther game. That is his responsibility and he was put on notice after the Panther game….Kevin’s too. I’m going to confidently say if this uneven defensive play continues and our offense continues to play well- I’ll guarantee it will be on Woods lap and not Kevin’s.
I don’t have hours to pour over Clowneys recent play but I will say he was widely known around the league as a very good run defender and kind of a disappointment in regard to pass rushing. The numbers and PFF scores and likely film support this assertion. I don’t know if his play/effort was lackluster against the Panthers and half of the Jets game.Our defense is averaging 4.1 yards per carry that’s good for 11th in league. Now I think we have some talent issues in our interior. We don’t have the perfect roster and at this position it is evident. And it is a surprise to me that we are getting attacked and beaten in our secondary. I’m disappointed in that group - based on the signings and draft capital we have placed an emphasis on infusing this team with fast twitchy cover guys.
Recruit for a better interior VS hold to account for multiple games of unacceptable blown coverages and generally underwhelming secondary play (i.e. fire Woods)...
Can't we just do both?Yes we should. It’s maddening because we have talent in the secondary and they can play better.
did you expect more from this secondary?
did you expect more from this secondary?
Yes, I did/do.
I think with today's NFL, you need an abundance of good CBs, Safeties, and even hybrid-type LBs (JOK, Minkah for example). You just don't see a David Fulcher, Steve Atwater, Ronnie Lott at Safety anymore.
All these 5 wide sets, you need speed. It looks to me the Browns have gone that route....they need better results in coverage.
Coming off a mini-bye, these communication issues as they call it, should be minimized. The players need to focus.
Like others wrote, the Falcons do possess some threats. A mobile QB, Cordarrelle Patterson, Pitts, London. It's going to pose a challenge.
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You weren't here yet; but I didn't want Josh Allen either. I've mentioned it numerous times. Do you know what you, me and Tia have in common? None of us are being paid to work in an NFL FO regardless of how passionate and educated we are about the Browns and football. Buffalo didn't draft the rear view mirror. They looked at flaws they felt they could change to go in tandem with the sum of strengths that intrigued them. More specifically, they planned on committing to their investment like the Chiefs did with Mahomes, who didn't start as a rookie. The only time this franchise drafted a QB capable of consistently leading us deep into the playoffs was when they drafted Bernie Kosar in the Supplemental Draft way back in 1985.
If Buffalo had the #1 overall pick in that draft, do you think they would have still taken Allen?
I have doubts.
If Buffalo had the #1 overall pick in that draft, do you think they would have still taken Allen?
I have doubts.
Great question! I'd hate to think they would have been as dumb as your buddy Flugel. My QB resume should have me forbidden to project superstar QBs.
I think someone important there fell in love with the things me and others were saying/thinking "don't let all that arm strength stuff fool you if he couldn't led his previous team to victory over the less competitive DI opponents. His accuracy didn't dazzle anybody at the college level so how is it going to be easier at the much more complex level in the NFL?" Has Allen's life at QB in the NFL on game day been easier or more difficult than it was at Wyoming? And why was this made possible? The team that did the research came up with a plan understanding there may be some growing pains in the 1st year or 2. Baker actually started off better than him as he temporarily set the record for TD passes for a rookie QB despite only 13 starts on a team coming off 0-16 football. How many different OCs, QB Coaches, and Head Coaches with different offenses did he get in his 1st few years? I don't think he's as good today as he was as a rookie meaning? Who in our FO/Ownership researched the upside vrs best football in the rear view mirror? And WHO up top here committed the development plan Buffalo was willing to do for their QB? Would this franchise have been smart enough to stick with a guy like Troy Aikman or Steve Young given their very humble NFL beginnings if they came along today? Would our fanbase?
Then we have Oklahoma QBs (Mayfield and Murray) that constantly threw to wide open guys (with plenty of time to do so) not finding NFL life nearly that easy. And Sam Darnold told people he was watching "The 13 Ghosts" from the pocket. Dutch, as fans, we don't have to get deep enough in research to protect ourselves from that kind of outcome. That said, an NFL FO does have to do extensive research. They need to dig deep if they're going QB. They can't wait for hindsight 20/20 to tell them Mayfield, Darnold, and Murray already played their best football in college.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!"
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