Tale of the Tape - Browns vs Chargers
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It's an interesting matchup.
The Chargers Oline isnt good and their running game is inefficient.
The Brownies Dline, aside from Myles and occasionally Perrion, is flat out awful.
Is the Chargers line bad enough to make the Browns front 7 look competent like it was with Carolina?
Browns are getting +2.5 at home right now and I do tend to love home dogs. But the Chargers are currently sitting 11th in DVOA, but that's not including Joey Bosa being out.
https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/nfl/team-defense/2022/regular?check_logged_in=1
My further concern is that, 4 weeks into the season, we've about exhausted the ways we can creatively work the horizontal passing game sans just flat out winning our personnel matchups. And Njoku is bound to draw Derwin James quite a bit.
I'd say, given our IDL weakness being more exploitable than the Bolts IOL weakness, I'd be leaning LAC -2.5, if I were gambling. Might even take a peek at the O/U with respect to the weather.
Might straight up come down to Chubb and Hunt going off and playing keep away from Herbert.
The Chargers Oline isnt good
Then we want to credit Sherbert for getting the ball out quickly because they've only given up 4 sacks.
Might straight up come down to Chubb and Hunt going off and playing keep away from Herbert.
This is who we are right now. We're not an explosive offense. We have to play from the lead.
We need Kevin to call a better game in the redzone this will come down to who scores TDs in the redzone
Shhh! Don't let him hear that or we won't kick any FG's again.
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
I have to be honest, this is going to come down to 4 things.
The defensive line being able to get pressure. Denzel Ward getting his head out of his pooper and play like he did before he got that contract. John Johnson being able to cover and play the ball, oh and tackle like a professional, and coaching. Long as Stefanski doesn't get cute, we SHOULD be able to outlast them.
Oh, and York making his kicks.
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The Chargers have gotten beat badly on RBs catching passes out of the backfield. We’ve had breakdowns deep they’ve had them in the flats. The LBs aren’t reading and diagnosing well and they’ve had chunk yardage there. I think they will try to make the adjust this week facing Chubb and Hunt and it may even soften the middle for Njoku and Co.
This will be a weird game and I’m watching the over under too. You will essentially have two teams trying to play keep away and sustain long drives. They don’t want our running game taking over and it can. Herbert is playing hurt…he’s ripping the ball but I don’t think it’s the type of injury where they want him zinging it way down field with Myles back. It will be underneath short stuff and we typically give that up. If Keenan Allen is back plus for them and employing this strategy.
We need Kevin to call a better game in the redzone this will come down to who scores TDs in the redzone
The Chargers have gotten beat badly on RBs catching passes out of the backfield. We’ve had breakdowns deep they’ve had them in the flats. The LBs aren’t reading and diagnosing well and they’ve had chunk yardage there. I think they will try to make the adjust this week facing Chubb and Hunt and it may even soften the middle for Njoku and Co.
This will be a weird game and I’m watching the over under too. You will essentially have two teams trying to play keep away and sustain long drives. They don’t want our running game taking over and it can. Herbert is playing hurt…he’s ripping the ball but I don’t think it’s the type of injury where they want him zinging it way down field with Myles back. It will be underneath short stuff and we typically give that up. If Keenan Allen is back plus for them and employing this strategy.
We need Kevin to call a better game in the redzone this will come down to who scores TDs in the redzone
They're probably going to do what the Steelers did, which is run 90% of their offense away from him as well as chips and double teams. We have ZERO pass rush on the other side. When is Clowney due back?
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The Chargers have gotten beat badly on RBs catching passes out of the backfield. We’ve had breakdowns deep they’ve had them in the flats. The LBs aren’t reading and diagnosing well and they’ve had chunk yardage there. I think they will try to make the adjust this week facing Chubb and Hunt and it may even soften the middle for Njoku and Co.
This will be a weird game and I’m watching the over under too. You will essentially have two teams trying to play keep away and sustain long drives. They don’t want our running game taking over and it can. Herbert is playing hurt…he’s ripping the ball but I don’t think it’s the type of injury where they want him zinging it way down field with Myles back. It will be underneath short stuff and we typically give that up. If Keenan Allen is back plus for them and employing this strategy.
We need Kevin to call a better game in the redzone this will come down to who scores TDs in the redzone
They're probably going to do what the Steelers did, which is run 90% of their offense away from him as well as chips and double teams. We have ZERO pass rush on the other side. When is Clowney due back?
They're probably going to do what the Steelers did, which is run 90% of their offense away from him as well as chips and double teams. We have ZERO pass rush on the other side. When is Clowney due back?
possibly in time for the chargers, but still isn't practicing. Late in the week they will make the call.
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The Chargers Oline isnt good
Then we want to credit Sherbert for getting the ball out quickly because they've only given up 4 sacks.
Might straight up come down to Chubb and Hunt going off and playing keep away from Herbert.
This is who we are right now. We're not an explosive offense. We have to play from the lead.
We need Kevin to call a better game in the redzone this will come down to who scores TDs in the redzone
Shhh! Don't let him hear that or we won't kick any FG's again.
Then we want to credit Sherbert for getting the ball out quickly because they've only given up 4 sacks.
There's a bit of that, but there's also this Big Ben, Mahomes, Joey Buckets, type attitude Herbert also has. He's more than willing to hold onto the ball for downfield shots because he's also athletic enough to create with his legs to buy time to throw.
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There is also a good bit of MIke Williams, seventh overall pick (2017) all 6'4" and 218 lbs of him, (he ran a 4.54 forty) - big downfield threat.
from wikipedia:
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2021 season
Williams had a breakout season in 2021, setting career highs in receptions (76), targets (129), and yards (1,146) while scoring nine touchdowns."
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Without Mike Williams - Hebert would have had big trouble.
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The Sirius XM radio crew (mainly Pat Kirwan & Jim Miller) cover the NFL draft and the lead up to it and post draft better than most. I wish they would just take over all day Papa and Weiss are HORRIBLE
They loved Jamaree Salyer and early returns appear that the Chargers got a good one and he will do fine for now.
You got to rough Herbert up to the extent that you can- and that means maybe bringing a blitz off the edge they don’t expect and getting free pass at the QB. Anyone remember last year when we had a wounded QB? Also We didn’t fair too well last season when we let the Chargers go downfield and get vertical on routes. If we go all vanilla and drop everyone - gonna be a real long day
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The Chargers have gotten beat badly on RBs catching passes out of the backfield. We’ve had breakdowns deep they’ve had them in the flats. The LBs aren’t reading and diagnosing well and they’ve had chunk yardage there. I think they will try to make the adjust this week facing Chubb and Hunt and it may even soften the middle for Njoku and Co.
This will be a weird game and I’m watching the over under too. You will essentially have two teams trying to play keep away and sustain long drives. They don’t want our running game taking over and it can. Herbert is playing hurt…he’s ripping the ball but I don’t think it’s the type of injury where they want him zinging it way down field with Myles back. It will be underneath short stuff and we typically give that up. If Keenan Allen is back plus for them and employing this strategy.
We need Kevin to call a better game in the redzone this will come down to who scores TDs in the redzone
They're probably going to do what the Steelers did, which is run 90% of their offense away from him as well as chips and double teams. We have ZERO pass rush on the other side. When is Clowney due back?
They're probably going to do what the Steelers did, which is run 90% of their offense away from him as well as chips and double teams. We have ZERO pass rush on the other side. When is Clowney due back?
Don't hold your breath on Clowney anytime soon. Still not practicing this week. One thing for sure, the guy is guaranteed to miss a bunch of games every year.
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They're probably going to do what the Steelers did, which is run 90% of their offense away from him as well as chips and double teams. We have ZERO pass rush on the other side. When is Clowney due back?
Don't hold your breath on Clowney anytime soon. Still not practicing this week. One thing for sure, the guy is guaranteed to miss a bunch of games every year.
Don't hold your breath on Clowney anytime soon. Still not practicing this week. One thing for sure, the guy is guaranteed to miss a bunch of games every year.
That has been his career in a nut shell , Lar... You love the talent... You just wish his availability was better than what it's been...
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
Don't hold your breath on Clowney anytime soon. Still not practicing this week. One thing for sure, the guy is guaranteed to miss a bunch of games every year.
That has been his career in a nut shell , Lar... You love the talent... You just wish his availability was better than what it's been...
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The Sirius XM radio crew (mainly Pat Kirwan & Jim Miller) cover the NFL draft and the lead up to it and post draft better than most. I wish they would just take over all day Papa and Weiss are HORRIBLE
They loved Jamaree Salyer and early returns appear that the Chargers got a good one and he will do fine for now.
You got to rough Herbert up to the extent that you can- and that means maybe bringing a blitz off the edge they don’t expect and getting free pass at the QB. Anyone remember last year when we had a wounded QB? Also We didn’t fair too well last season when we let the Chargers go downfield and get vertical on routes. If we go all vanilla and drop everyone - gonna be a real long day
If we go all vanilla and drop everyone - gonna be a real long day
You can't let a QB count the house. Someone will be / or get open somewhere. They've gotta feel pressure.
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The Sirius XM radio crew (mainly Pat Kirwan & Jim Miller) cover the NFL draft and the lead up to it and post draft better than most. I wish they would just take over all day Papa and Weiss are HORRIBLE
They loved Jamaree Salyer and early returns appear that the Chargers got a good one and he will do fine for now.
You got to rough Herbert up to the extent that you can- and that means maybe bringing a blitz off the edge they don’t expect and getting free pass at the QB. Anyone remember last year when we had a wounded QB? Also We didn’t fair too well last season when we let the Chargers go downfield and get vertical on routes. If we go all vanilla and drop everyone - gonna be a real long day
The Sirius XM radio crew (mainly Pat Kirwan & Jim Miller) cover the NFL draft and the lead up to it and post draft better than most. I wish they would just take over all day Papa and Weiss are HORRIBLE
They loved Jamaree Salyer and early returns appear that the Chargers got a good one and he will do fine for now.
Watched Chargers at Texans on nfl plus.. #68 J. Salyer
looks larger now than he played at Georgia. (chest mass) But he's not a 6'4" Tackle..Maybe 6'2 with same playing guard body type. Nice wide base outside
Chargers only run to his side with TE/WR help..Herbert not once rolled to Sayler's side//right roll-outs/ Eckler scores 2 TD's off RG/RT in 1st half
Salyer never saw any help in his pass pro.. Sayler is excellent at staying in his lane & passing guys off inside with no free runs at Herbert. Sayler shows good outside vision for a move to LT
You can get Salyer moving on his heels backwards with strong bull rushes(twice)
Salyer's real issue ?
Don't let him latch on to your chest plate.. His 33" Guard arms can be beaten on inside or outside swim techs. Got beat once on spin move inside.
Texans RB Pierce scored on a long TD run in the 2nd quarter off RT... When we pull Bitonio with Teller at Conklin's side... It's Chunt gone wild
Chargers defense is fast.. Blitzed Davis Mills from anywhere..Most success was Mills downfield passing.. because the underneath Chargers speed is excellent/tackle real well/ K.Mack just gets more pissed off, the more ya want to test him on 4th downs..he's always a beastly problem on gameday's
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The Sirius XM radio crew (mainly Pat Kirwan & Jim Miller) cover the NFL draft and the lead up to it and post draft better than most. I wish they would just take over all day Papa and Weiss are HORRIBLE
They loved Jamaree Salyer and early returns appear that the Chargers got a good one and he will do fine for now.
Watched Chargers at Texans on nfl plus.. #68 J. Salyer
looks larger now than he played at Georgia. (chest mass) But he's not a 6'4" Tackle..Maybe 6'2 with same playing guard body type. Nice wide base outside
Chargers only run to his side with TE/WR help..Herbert not once rolled to Sayler's side//right roll-outs/ Eckler scores 2 TD's off RG/RT in 1st half
Salyer never saw any help in his pass pro.. Sayler is excellent at staying in his lane & passing guys off inside with no free runs at Herbert. Sayler shows good outside vision for a move to LT
You can get Salyer moving on his heels backwards with strong bull rushes(twice)
Salyer's real issue ?
Don't let him latch on to your chest plate.. His 33" Guard arms can be beaten on inside or outside swim techs. Got beat once on spin move inside.
Texans RB Pierce scored on a long TD run in the 2nd quarter off RT... When we pull Bitonio with Teller at Conklin's side... It's Chunt gone wild
Chargers defense is fast.. Blitzed Davis Mills from anywhere..Most success was Mills downfield passing.. because the underneath Chargers speed is excellent/tackle real well/ K.Mack just gets more pissed off, the more ya want to test him on 4th downs..he's always a beastly problem on gameday's
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If we go all vanilla and drop everyone - gonna be a real long day
You can't let a QB count the house. Someone will be / or get open somewhere. They've gotta feel pressure.
You can't let a QB count the house. Someone will be / or get open somewhere. They've gotta feel pressure.
Yes. And when we can’t win with four we got to bring a guy or guys. Joe doesn’t do this enough
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...and so, turning the page to the upcoming game against the Chargers...a game that is now a Must Win because we lost to the Jets (or Falcons, take your pick). If you lose to a team that you're supposed to beat, then you've gotta win the game you're supposed to lose to get back on track. So now we've gotta do that twice.
Our run D fell 10 spots...in one game...and we saw it happen on TV. Fortunately, the Chargers rank dead last in running the ball. So, because they're playing our D we can probably pro-rate them to middle of the league at rushing. But the party is over regarding the QB's we'll be facing. Sherbert has the Bolts leading the league in passing. Partly by necessity since they suck at running the ball.
Their OL does a good job of protecting Sherbert. So I'd have to assume that he'll have the time to pick us apart.
The two defenses are pretty even so once again we'll need our offense to save the day. We're going to have to score points. And not pass them up because we're greedy.
...and so, turning the page to the upcoming game against the Chargers...a game that is now a Must Win because we lost to the Jets (or Falcons, take your pick). If you lose to a team that you're supposed to beat, then you've gotta win the game you're supposed to lose to get back on track. So now we've gotta do that twice.
Our run D fell 10 spots...in one game...and we saw it happen on TV. Fortunately, the Chargers rank dead last in running the ball. So, because they're playing our D we can probably pro-rate them to middle of the league at rushing. But the party is over regarding the QB's we'll be facing. Sherbert has the Bolts leading the league in passing. Partly by necessity since they suck at running the ball.
Their OL does a good job of protecting Sherbert. So I'd have to assume that he'll have the time to pick us apart.
The two defenses are pretty even so once again we'll need our offense to save the day. We're going to have to score points. And not pass them up because we're greedy.
I fully expect Myles and Clowney to play. He won't have all day. Hopefully. Lol
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Yes. And when we can’t win with four we got to bring a guy or guys. Joe doesn’t do this enough
Before I give you the numbers, I want to ask - what is "enough", in your mind?
Let's just use the ATL game in a vaccuum being that we lost our pass rush for the first time this season then.
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I had some bourbon up my nose when I read…”Chunt gone wild”
Opps!
failed to mention most of my tape scouting includes some mixture of Bacardi's ?
As soon as I watched the Pierce TD replay? twas my 1st voice reaction after.. Chunt's going to go wild
Top 3 Jim Donovan's can't says... More surprised I beat Flugel to using it
Good Day gents! Beautiful fall day for some grandson doubleheader baseball
We will need a better defensive effort, than our last one verse the Steelers.. No better time to find it than Sunday
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Chubb will have about 140 yds with about 8 minutes to go . He'll never see the field again.
Im curious why our best player never sees the field during crunch time?
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@ghoolie-always-ghoolie said:
Clowney is Coutney Brown
Not exactly Tom. If you want to say he's injury prone, you're 100% correct. Checking, in his 9 seasons, he's only played in every game once. The difference between him and Courtney is when Clowney is healthy enough to play he's actually pretty decent. Unlike "soft" Brown.
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