Tale of the Tape - Browns vs Chargers
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The Chargers have gotten beat badly on RBs catching passes out of the backfield. We’ve had breakdowns deep they’ve had them in the flats. The LBs aren’t reading and diagnosing well and they’ve had chunk yardage there. I think they will try to make the adjust this week facing Chubb and Hunt and it may even soften the middle for Njoku and Co.
This will be a weird game and I’m watching the over under too. You will essentially have two teams trying to play keep away and sustain long drives. They don’t want our running game taking over and it can. Herbert is playing hurt…he’s ripping the ball but I don’t think it’s the type of injury where they want him zinging it way down field with Myles back. It will be underneath short stuff and we typically give that up. If Keenan Allen is back plus for them and employing this strategy.
We need Kevin to call a better game in the redzone this will come down to who scores TDs in the redzone
They're probably going to do what the Steelers did, which is run 90% of their offense away from him as well as chips and double teams. We have ZERO pass rush on the other side. When is Clowney due back?
They're probably going to do what the Steelers did, which is run 90% of their offense away from him as well as chips and double teams. We have ZERO pass rush on the other side. When is Clowney due back?
Don't hold your breath on Clowney anytime soon. Still not practicing this week. One thing for sure, the guy is guaranteed to miss a bunch of games every year.
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They're probably going to do what the Steelers did, which is run 90% of their offense away from him as well as chips and double teams. We have ZERO pass rush on the other side. When is Clowney due back?
Don't hold your breath on Clowney anytime soon. Still not practicing this week. One thing for sure, the guy is guaranteed to miss a bunch of games every year.
Don't hold your breath on Clowney anytime soon. Still not practicing this week. One thing for sure, the guy is guaranteed to miss a bunch of games every year.
That has been his career in a nut shell , Lar... You love the talent... You just wish his availability was better than what it's been...
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
Don't hold your breath on Clowney anytime soon. Still not practicing this week. One thing for sure, the guy is guaranteed to miss a bunch of games every year.
That has been his career in a nut shell , Lar... You love the talent... You just wish his availability was better than what it's been...
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The Sirius XM radio crew (mainly Pat Kirwan & Jim Miller) cover the NFL draft and the lead up to it and post draft better than most. I wish they would just take over all day Papa and Weiss are HORRIBLE
They loved Jamaree Salyer and early returns appear that the Chargers got a good one and he will do fine for now.
You got to rough Herbert up to the extent that you can- and that means maybe bringing a blitz off the edge they don’t expect and getting free pass at the QB. Anyone remember last year when we had a wounded QB? Also We didn’t fair too well last season when we let the Chargers go downfield and get vertical on routes. If we go all vanilla and drop everyone - gonna be a real long day
If we go all vanilla and drop everyone - gonna be a real long day
You can't let a QB count the house. Someone will be / or get open somewhere. They've gotta feel pressure.
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The Sirius XM radio crew (mainly Pat Kirwan & Jim Miller) cover the NFL draft and the lead up to it and post draft better than most. I wish they would just take over all day Papa and Weiss are HORRIBLE
They loved Jamaree Salyer and early returns appear that the Chargers got a good one and he will do fine for now.
You got to rough Herbert up to the extent that you can- and that means maybe bringing a blitz off the edge they don’t expect and getting free pass at the QB. Anyone remember last year when we had a wounded QB? Also We didn’t fair too well last season when we let the Chargers go downfield and get vertical on routes. If we go all vanilla and drop everyone - gonna be a real long day
The Sirius XM radio crew (mainly Pat Kirwan & Jim Miller) cover the NFL draft and the lead up to it and post draft better than most. I wish they would just take over all day Papa and Weiss are HORRIBLE
They loved Jamaree Salyer and early returns appear that the Chargers got a good one and he will do fine for now.
Watched Chargers at Texans on nfl plus.. #68 J. Salyer
looks larger now than he played at Georgia. (chest mass) But he's not a 6'4" Tackle..Maybe 6'2 with same playing guard body type. Nice wide base outside
Chargers only run to his side with TE/WR help..Herbert not once rolled to Sayler's side//right roll-outs/ Eckler scores 2 TD's off RG/RT in 1st half
Salyer never saw any help in his pass pro.. Sayler is excellent at staying in his lane & passing guys off inside with no free runs at Herbert. Sayler shows good outside vision for a move to LT
You can get Salyer moving on his heels backwards with strong bull rushes(twice)
Salyer's real issue ?
Don't let him latch on to your chest plate.. His 33" Guard arms can be beaten on inside or outside swim techs. Got beat once on spin move inside.
Texans RB Pierce scored on a long TD run in the 2nd quarter off RT... When we pull Bitonio with Teller at Conklin's side... It's Chunt gone wild
Chargers defense is fast.. Blitzed Davis Mills from anywhere..Most success was Mills downfield passing.. because the underneath Chargers speed is excellent/tackle real well/ K.Mack just gets more pissed off, the more ya want to test him on 4th downs..he's always a beastly problem on gameday's
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The Sirius XM radio crew (mainly Pat Kirwan & Jim Miller) cover the NFL draft and the lead up to it and post draft better than most. I wish they would just take over all day Papa and Weiss are HORRIBLE
They loved Jamaree Salyer and early returns appear that the Chargers got a good one and he will do fine for now.
Watched Chargers at Texans on nfl plus.. #68 J. Salyer
looks larger now than he played at Georgia. (chest mass) But he's not a 6'4" Tackle..Maybe 6'2 with same playing guard body type. Nice wide base outside
Chargers only run to his side with TE/WR help..Herbert not once rolled to Sayler's side//right roll-outs/ Eckler scores 2 TD's off RG/RT in 1st half
Salyer never saw any help in his pass pro.. Sayler is excellent at staying in his lane & passing guys off inside with no free runs at Herbert. Sayler shows good outside vision for a move to LT
You can get Salyer moving on his heels backwards with strong bull rushes(twice)
Salyer's real issue ?
Don't let him latch on to your chest plate.. His 33" Guard arms can be beaten on inside or outside swim techs. Got beat once on spin move inside.
Texans RB Pierce scored on a long TD run in the 2nd quarter off RT... When we pull Bitonio with Teller at Conklin's side... It's Chunt gone wild
Chargers defense is fast.. Blitzed Davis Mills from anywhere..Most success was Mills downfield passing.. because the underneath Chargers speed is excellent/tackle real well/ K.Mack just gets more pissed off, the more ya want to test him on 4th downs..he's always a beastly problem on gameday's
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If we go all vanilla and drop everyone - gonna be a real long day
You can't let a QB count the house. Someone will be / or get open somewhere. They've gotta feel pressure.
You can't let a QB count the house. Someone will be / or get open somewhere. They've gotta feel pressure.
Yes. And when we can’t win with four we got to bring a guy or guys. Joe doesn’t do this enough
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...and so, turning the page to the upcoming game against the Chargers...a game that is now a Must Win because we lost to the Jets (or Falcons, take your pick). If you lose to a team that you're supposed to beat, then you've gotta win the game you're supposed to lose to get back on track. So now we've gotta do that twice.
Our run D fell 10 spots...in one game...and we saw it happen on TV. Fortunately, the Chargers rank dead last in running the ball. So, because they're playing our D we can probably pro-rate them to middle of the league at rushing. But the party is over regarding the QB's we'll be facing. Sherbert has the Bolts leading the league in passing. Partly by necessity since they suck at running the ball.
Their OL does a good job of protecting Sherbert. So I'd have to assume that he'll have the time to pick us apart.
The two defenses are pretty even so once again we'll need our offense to save the day. We're going to have to score points. And not pass them up because we're greedy.
...and so, turning the page to the upcoming game against the Chargers...a game that is now a Must Win because we lost to the Jets (or Falcons, take your pick). If you lose to a team that you're supposed to beat, then you've gotta win the game you're supposed to lose to get back on track. So now we've gotta do that twice.
Our run D fell 10 spots...in one game...and we saw it happen on TV. Fortunately, the Chargers rank dead last in running the ball. So, because they're playing our D we can probably pro-rate them to middle of the league at rushing. But the party is over regarding the QB's we'll be facing. Sherbert has the Bolts leading the league in passing. Partly by necessity since they suck at running the ball.
Their OL does a good job of protecting Sherbert. So I'd have to assume that he'll have the time to pick us apart.
The two defenses are pretty even so once again we'll need our offense to save the day. We're going to have to score points. And not pass them up because we're greedy.
I fully expect Myles and Clowney to play. He won't have all day. Hopefully. Lol
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Yes. And when we can’t win with four we got to bring a guy or guys. Joe doesn’t do this enough
Before I give you the numbers, I want to ask - what is "enough", in your mind?
Let's just use the ATL game in a vaccuum being that we lost our pass rush for the first time this season then.
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I had some bourbon up my nose when I read…”Chunt gone wild”
Opps!
failed to mention most of my tape scouting includes some mixture of Bacardi's ?
As soon as I watched the Pierce TD replay? twas my 1st voice reaction after.. Chunt's going to go wild
Top 3 Jim Donovan's can't says... More surprised I beat Flugel to using it
Good Day gents! Beautiful fall day for some grandson doubleheader baseball
We will need a better defensive effort, than our last one verse the Steelers.. No better time to find it than Sunday
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Chubb will have about 140 yds with about 8 minutes to go . He'll never see the field again.
Im curious why our best player never sees the field during crunch time?
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@ghoolie-always-ghoolie said:
Clowney is Coutney Brown
Not exactly Tom. If you want to say he's injury prone, you're 100% correct. Checking, in his 9 seasons, he's only played in every game once. The difference between him and Courtney is when Clowney is healthy enough to play he's actually pretty decent. Unlike "soft" Brown.
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I'd like to think the Browns can win this game... But too many things need to go just right for them... I just get visions of Justin Herbert carving up Joe Woods Soft Zone D...
@ghoolie-always-ghoolie said:
Clowney is Coutney Brown
Brown was really good! Then he got that first injury. And he was never really good again. Clowney gets hurt every year and misses games. A substantial negative. But he usually gets back on the field where he still plays at quite a high level. He's a mercenary that we have to replace, and that we're lucky to have. Especially in light of the current condition of the front 7.
I just get visions of Justin Herbert carving up Joe Woods Soft Zone D...
Yeah... that requires a pass rush. And if you're not getting one, you have to man up and blitz yourself a pass rush.
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Chargers
Player Position Injuries Practice Status Game Status Donald Parham TE Full Participation in Practice Justin Herbert QB Full Participation in Practice Josh Palmer WR Ankle Full Participation in Practice Questionable Keenan Allen WR Hamstring Did Not Participate In Practice Out Austin Johnson DT Full Participation in Practice Dustin Hopkins K right Quadricep Limited Participation in Practice Questionable Tre' McKitty TE Full Participation in Practice Gerald Everett TE Full Participation in Practice Zander Horvath RB Full Participation in Practice Kyle Van Noy LB Limited Participation in Practice BrownsPlayer Position Injuries Practice Status Game Status Taven Bryan DT Hamstring Limited Participation in Practice Questionable Harrison Bryant TE Full Participation in Practice Jack Conklin T Full Participation in Practice Jordan Elliott DT Limited Participation in Practice Joe Haeg T Full Participation in Practice Isaiah Thomas DE Full Participation in Practice Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah LB Limited Participation in Practice Jadeveon Clowney DE Ankle Limited Participation in Practice Questionable David Njoku TE Full Participation in Practice Joel Bitonio G Full Participation in Practice Denzel Ward CB Limited Participation in Practice Amari Cooper WR Full Participation in Practice Myles Garrett DE Limited Participation in Practice -
Yes. And when we can’t win with four we got to bring a guy or guys. Joe doesn’t do this enough
Before I give you the numbers, I want to ask - what is "enough", in your mind?
Let's just use the ATL game in a vaccuum being that we lost our pass rush for the first time this season then.
Before I give you the numbers, I want to ask - what is "enough", in your mind?
Let's just use the ATL game in a vaccuum being that we lost our pass rush for the first time this season then.
I don’t think that fair Joe has 2 1/2 years worth of work. Would the Jets game prove my point and maybe the Carolina game prove your point?And Just tell us how aggressive Joe Woods is.
I’d like to win with the front four…who wouldn’t but when you can’t it is time to add a guy or two and get after the QB.
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Don't hold your breath on Clowney anytime soon. Still not practicing this week. One thing for sure, the guy is guaranteed to miss a bunch of games every year.
That has been his career in a nut shell , Lar... You love the talent... You just wish his availability was better than what it's been...
That has been his career in a nut shell , Lar... You love the talent... You just wish his availability was better than what it's been...
Sometimes I wonder if Clowney looks at the situation wherever he's at and thinks to himself "does this team really deserve me putting it all on the line every week or playing though injuries?" This is bad timing; but if he had TJ Watt's football heart - he could have been one of the best ever. I would have said "inner chest" but Watt has a torn pectoral sidelining him until he returns before it's healed. Like Watt, Myles Garrett also works his tail off conditioning himself. When guys put that kind of work in - they'll do anything they can to get back on the field even if they're playing at 75-80% of their ability. I could be wrong here - but I don't ever get the sense Clowney cares enough to play if he's only 75-80%. I hope he proves me wrong.
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That has been his career in a nut shell , Lar... You love the talent... You just wish his availability was better than what it's been...
Sometimes I wonder if Clowney looks at the situation wherever he's at and thinks to himself "does this team really deserve me putting it all on the line every week or playing though injuries?" This is bad timing; but if he had TJ Watt's football heart - he could have been one of the best ever. I would have said "inner chest" but Watt has a torn pectoral sidelining him until he returns before it's healed. Like Watt, Myles Garrett also works his tail off conditioning himself. When guys put that kind of work in - they'll do anything they can to get back on the field even if they're playing at 75-80% of their ability. I could be wrong here - but I don't ever get the sense Clowney cares enough to play if he's only 75-80%. I hope he proves me wrong.
I could be wrong here - but I don't ever get the sense Clowney cares enough to play if he's only 75-80%. I hope he proves me wrong.
He's a mercenary. Or, a Temp, in workplace terms. They're among the first to call in sick.
This is why I liked Sheldon Richardson so much. He played hurt, and played well while hurt. But....he was too much money. So, we're saving money on the interior of the DLine. And the Falcons approve of that investment strategy.
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Before I give you the numbers, I want to ask - what is "enough", in your mind?
Let's just use the ATL game in a vaccuum being that we lost our pass rush for the first time this season then.
I don’t think that fair Joe has 2 1/2 years worth of work. Would the Jets game prove my point and maybe the Carolina game prove your point?And Just tell us how aggressive Joe Woods is.
I’d like to win with the front four…who wouldn’t but when you can’t it is time to add a guy or two and get after the QB.
I don’t think that fair Joe has 2 1/2 years worth of work. Would the Jets game prove my point and maybe the Carolina game prove your point?And Just tell us how aggressive Joe Woods is.
I’d like to win with the front four…who wouldn’t but when you can’t it is time to add a guy or two and get after the QB.
- Neither, to be fair. The Jets game was an albatross of letting the pass rush work, while Carolina was a game that Wood's allowed the pass rush to work, but used designs he felt comfortable calling given his extensive familiarity with Baker. He really didn't need to call a single additional pressure that game, but as we saw - he did.
- I wouldn't call it 'aggressive'. I'd call it calculated, or silent rage. I don't see him bringing extra bodies when the Dline wins more than they lose in pass rush snaps, baring outlier examples (such as CAR) and he adjusted quite well against ATL... for him.
- In the 1st half, the Browns had a blitz rate of 28.57%. Last years league average was 23%.
- In the first 3 drives, the Browns showed a +1 box count against ATL over 3/4 of the time. That includes facing the Falcons 11 personnel when the field shrank with 30 yards.
This helps us find answers on why the available space vs the Browns on early downs. Most offenses, even with Marcus Mariota at QB, teams aren't going to run head first into a +1 box count unless they can absolutely own the LoS. In the dirty birds case, they can and did. But they weren't fully aware of that until later in the game. Plus, they were getting chunk plays early, but at the expense of the few times the Browns created a couple Havoc plays (a couple big TFL in the 1st half) So why not go ball action early against a defense that not only commits bodies to the running game, but also has problems with their IDL AND LB's? It's a win-win for opposing offenses and a lose-lose for the Browns. Because these coaches are timid on exposing the secondary by removing numbers in the passing game, being that we've had some piss poor communication at times. But we can't just sit back on our heels and not create positive numbers in the running game because of our Dline weakness.
Circles back around to what I said last April, and what I said just after this previous draft. The lifecycle of this defense is not good. Bad Dline ---> commit numbers from the secondary ---> more chances to be beat (risk/reward) ----> DB's look spotty because of it. Run fits and defense suffers, especially in the later portions of games because we don't have the talent or depth to go punch for punch the entire 60 minutes. --- > defensive breakdowns when things get grimey.
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