Tale of the Tape - Browns vs Chargers
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@ghoolie-always-ghoolie said:
Tomato tomahto. He is fragile
Clowney's biggest football illness/injury is his heart. He's got all the tools except passion for the game and the team he plays for. Even when/if he shows up, he'll find the first excuse to leave the game. He's getting paid either way.
People can pretend coaching solves this issue but it doesn't. People can also pretend all we have to do is fire the entire coaching staff, peanut vendors and cleaning staff. Guess what though? The hiring criteria, or complete lack thereof, goes right up to Jimmy Haslam. See what kind of leadership he hired at Pilot. He's STILL going to be the one that hires the next HC - so what is it the "fire the HC today" enthusiasts think they will be getting different this time from Jimmy? Think about what your wishing for again. Do you miss 1-31 football over a 2 year stretch?
This isn't the Rooneys or Robert Kraft.
A Head Coach is only a symptom. The owner is the disease. If people don't get that - sit on Santa's lap and talk about the 1st thing that pops up.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
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@ghoolie-always-ghoolie said:
Tomato tomahto. He is fragile
Clowney's biggest football illness/injury is his heart. He's got all the tools except passion for the game and the team he plays for. Even when/if he shows up, he'll find the first excuse to leave the game. He's getting paid either way.
People can pretend coaching solves this issue but it doesn't. People can also pretend all we have to do is fire the entire coaching staff, peanut vendors and cleaning staff. Guess what though? The hiring criteria, or complete lack thereof, goes right up to Jimmy Haslam. See what kind of leadership he hired at Pilot. He's STILL going to be the one that hires the next HC - so what is it the "fire the HC today" enthusiasts think they will be getting different this time from Jimmy? Think about what your wishing for again. Do you miss 1-31 football over a 2 year stretch?
This isn't the Rooneys or Robert Kraft.
A Head Coach is only a symptom. The owner is the disease. If people don't get that - sit on Santa's lap and talk about the 1st thing that pops up.
Do you miss 1-31 football over a 2 year stretch?
The Browns went 1-31 over a two year stretch by design.
There's been two years stretches where the Browns went, say, 10-22 that honestly were more painful to watch, because they were actually trying to win.
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Stump Mitchell would be a definite keeper.
Stump Mitchell would be a definite keeper.
OL Coach Bill Callahan and his Assistant Scott Peters are the best in the league IMO. I think Alex Van Pelt is a good OC; and I'd like to see him empowered to do the type of play calling we saw from him during our playoff victory (where the Browns scored 48 points). I think the QB Coach Drew Petzing has done a pretty good job with a career backup like Jacoby Brissett.
There's some good coaches on our offense; but it's also important to note they have some good talent to work with.
On defense, we're asking our DL Coach to Dr Frankenstein the junior varsity caliber IDL into guys that can compete. The other issues on the book ends - is we only had both guys healthy and hunting in week 1. It's possible we only need David Copperfield to replace DL Coach Chris Kiffin and his Assistant Jordan Thomas but I doubt it solves anything long term at all.
When you're not up to snuff upfront - it makes the job on the next tier (the LB Corps) even more difficult especially in the absence of Defensive Captain Anthony Walker. We don't lose talent as much as we lose Walker's valuable experience in his pre-snap keys and recognition. On top of the consequences of of our IDL playing like Raggedy Ann and Andy, our LBers are tackling too high (ie: JOK recently bounced off somebody on a potential TFL). This gets contagious to our back tier. Anyone remember John Johnson getting lit up by Najee Harris at the 2 yard line?
On sloppy fundamentals and a lack of situational awareness/tendencies - we can blame the coaching staff. Having said that, is this youth football or PROFESSIONAL football? I'm also going to blame the well paid professionals...
My biggest gripe with Stefanski is the 1 Coordinator (Van Pelt) I'd like him to empower more (with playcalling duties) isn't fully empowered as our STs Coordinator and DC. Why?
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
The Browns went 1-31 over a two year stretch by design.
There's been two years stretches where the Browns went, say, 10-22 that honestly were more painful to watch, because they were actually trying to win.
Losing is always painful IMO but you aren't wrong there at all.
Let's look at the QBs that were available to this franchise after the 1st year of that with 1-15 football. Patrick Mahomes and DeShaun Watson regardless of question marks some fans had about them at the time. They would have come to us with a rookie salary cap as well. We don't get paid with our limited research on these potential faces of a franchise.
1 year later, while Buffalo swam against the currents of popular opinion on Josh Allen, they also new enough to have a plan inclusive of understanding growing pains come with the process. They picked a guy they thoroughly researched knowing they could improve whatever needed to be.
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Stump Mitchell would be a definite keeper.
OL Coach Bill Callahan and his Assistant Scott Peters are the best in the league IMO. I think Alex Van Pelt is a good OC; and I'd like to see him empowered to do the type of play calling we saw from him during our playoff victory (where the Browns scored 48 points). I think the QB Coach Drew Petzing has done a pretty good job with a career backup like Jacoby Brissett.
There's some good coaches on our offense; but it's also important to note they have some good talent to work with.
On defense, we're asking our DL Coach to Dr Frankenstein the junior varsity caliber IDL into guys that can compete. The other issues on the book ends - is we only had both guys healthy and hunting in week 1. It's possible we only need David Copperfield to replace DL Coach Chris Kiffin and his Assistant Jordan Thomas but I doubt it solves anything long term at all.
When you're not up to snuff upfront - it makes the job on the next tier (the LB Corps) even more difficult especially in the absence of Defensive Captain Anthony Walker. We don't lose talent as much as we lose Walker's valuable experience in his pre-snap keys and recognition. On top of the consequences of of our IDL playing like Raggedy Ann and Andy, our LBers are tackling too high (ie: JOK recently bounced off somebody on a potential TFL). This gets contagious to our back tier. Anyone remember John Johnson getting lit up by Najee Harris at the 2 yard line?
On sloppy fundamentals and a lack of situational awareness/tendencies - we can blame the coaching staff. Having said that, is this youth football or PROFESSIONAL football? I'm also going to blame the well paid professionals...
My biggest gripe with Stefanski is the 1 Coordinator (Van Pelt) I'd like him to empower more (with playcalling duties) isn't fully empowered as our STs Coordinator and DC. Why?
My biggest gripe with Stefanski is the 1 Coordinator (Van Pelt) I'd like him to empower more (with playcalling duties) i
I highly doubt that a mind like Van Pelt isn't heavily involved in not only the opening drive(s) scripting, but play calls throughout the game as well. Have to remember, those headsets are on and the coaching staff is communicating. If Van Pelt and the QA see something, I have every belief they have Stef's ear on what they can call to counter.
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Currently watching the Gmen's Dline get pressure on Rodgers over the entire front - edge and IDL. It's pretty telling, but also pretty sad.
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My biggest gripe with Stefanski is the 1 Coordinator (Van Pelt) I'd like him to empower more (with playcalling duties) i
I highly doubt that a mind like Van Pelt isn't heavily involved in not only the opening drive(s) scripting, but play calls throughout the game as well. Have to remember, those headsets are on and the coaching staff is communicating. If Van Pelt and the QA see something, I have every belief they have Stef's ear on what they can call to counter.
I highly doubt that a mind like Van Pelt isn't heavily involved in not only the opening drive(s) scripting, but play calls throughout the game as well. Have to remember, those headsets are on and the coaching staff is communicating. If Van Pelt and the QA see something, I have every belief they have Stef's ear on what they can call to counter.
He's still on a leash he shouldn't be on in my opinion. We have some very good coaches on our offense. If anything, that's the phase of football that shouldn't dominate all of our HC's time given what's unfolded on Defense and STs thus far. They're not being well coached. Just watch the pad heights on defense whether it's tackling or coming out of stances. Let's just say overall, it's way easier to complain about the lack of fundamentals, mental errors and lack of discipline on defense and special teams the 1st 4 weeks. It doesn't look like they practice situational football on those units at all to me.
Right or wrong, thanks for letting me vent...
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I highly doubt that a mind like Van Pelt isn't heavily involved in not only the opening drive(s) scripting, but play calls throughout the game as well. Have to remember, those headsets are on and the coaching staff is communicating. If Van Pelt and the QA see something, I have every belief they have Stef's ear on what they can call to counter.
He's still on a leash he shouldn't be on in my opinion. We have some very good coaches on our offense. If anything, that's the phase of football that shouldn't dominate all of our HC's time given what's unfolded on Defense and STs thus far. They're not being well coached. Just watch the pad heights on defense whether it's tackling or coming out of stances. Let's just say overall, it's way easier to complain about the lack of fundamentals, mental errors and lack of discipline on defense and special teams the 1st 4 weeks. It doesn't look like they practice situational football on those units at all to me.
Right or wrong, thanks for letting me vent...
Right or wrong, thanks for letting me vent...
It's all really one just big mental support group anyway bubs. Browns anonymous.
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Woods is getting fired because the defense is just playing soft, waiting for Watson to come back and save them. The defense, the one unit we most DEFINITELY needed to play lights out and carry this team is playing like it's 2015, 16, 17... This is friggin sad. Just a bunch of overpaid gutless, heartless dummies who can't play zone, can't tackle, can't cover, and have zero fuggin pride.
Embarrassing.
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@ghoolie-always-ghoolie said:
I don't mean to piss on the analytics, but I haven't seen any team that looks unbeatable to the Browns.
Proper coaching and 4-0 would be a reality.
If the Browns don't suffer the familiar dumb penalties, shy away from play action in cherry picking situations, and don't play soft defense they should send the Chargers back home with a bolt up their ass.
Nobody has outplayed, stuffed or stifled the Browns. The Browns fucked themselves twice.
I would just like to see these fuckers play a solid 60 minutes for once.
The Chargers analyzed giving the Browns the game at the end.. Until York misses his 2nd long FG.
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