Tell me again why Browns Stadium shouldn't have roof
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It's the big Home Field Advantage right? Teams have to come to Cleveland and the weather will make them buckle under right?
We just had a bad southern Louisiana team with a dome come to Cleveland and play in the 3rd coldest NFL game in history...and beat us. And WE were the team that the weather affected. Cooper had a sure thing TD but slipped on the frozen field and we had to settle for a FG. On our final attempts to score a tying TD we had a prefect pass go right through DPJ's hands. And he's been a very good catcher of the football for us. And then we had the ball go right through Njoku's hands. Cold, frozen, slippery hands and football.
The Saints pretty much sold out to stop our run game. Chubb & Hunt combined for 31 carries for 100 yards. That's 3 yards per attempt. 31 tries is a lot of trying to run. And, of course, passing was difficult in the windy, cold conditions.
Now there were over 67,000 tickets sold for that game....but I'd bet about 2/3rds of those people stayed home. Apparently, there are those that think spending all the money for tickets, parking, etc. for 'entertainment' means that you should want to freeze your ass off...and like it!
Contrary to popular belief, football is not 'made to be played' in that type of weather. Passing is a part of the game. Especially in today's NFL. Put a roof on it...if not for the players, then for the fans. After all, without the fans, what have you got?
It's the big Home Field Advantage right? Teams have to come to Cleveland and the weather will make them buckle under right?
We just had a bad southern Louisiana team with a dome come to Cleveland and play in the 3rd coldest NFL game in history...and beat us. And WE were the team that the weather affected. Cooper had a sure thing TD but slipped on the frozen field and we had to settle for a FG. On our final attempts to score a tying TD we had a prefect pass go right through DPJ's hands. And he's been a very good catcher of the football for us. And then we had the ball go right through Njoku's hands. Cold, frozen, slippery hands and football.
The Saints pretty much sold out to stop our run game. Chubb & Hunt combined for 31 carries for 100 yards. That's 3 yards per attempt. 31 tries is a lot of trying to run. And, of course, passing was difficult in the windy, cold conditions.
Now there were over 67,000 tickets sold for that game....but I'd bet about 2/3rds of those people stayed home. Apparently, there are those that think spending all the money for tickets, parking, etc. for 'entertainment' means that you should want to freeze your ass off...and like it!
Contrary to popular belief, football is not 'made to be played' in that type of weather. Passing is a part of the game. Especially in today's NFL. Put a roof on it...if not for the players, then for the fans. After all, without the fans, what have you got?
The covered or better yet retractable stadium is for :
1. The fans comfort . -or- would anyone prefer the empty stands and as I saw on our local sports BROWNS seats $5 (and steelers $10 same night). Sure you crazy snowball guys like that ..... so you can take your shirts off ..... the other 98.6% of us say no we will pass so we 98.6% of us can enjoy our nachos and a cold beer.
2. For city and regional attractions to be held year round. Think big picture guys 8 NFL home games or 40-50++ events at the " The CLEVELAND BROWNS stadium/ metroplex ". Bring in all kinds of concerts, SUPER BOWLS, rodeos, motocross, (you name it) to downtown Cleveland, OHIO.
Money gentlemen money drives everything big in this world. And do you want any taxpayers help or private it really doesn't matter. Financing, tax abatements all of that can be worked out, let the billionaires quibble over that stuff.
Wouldn't you like all of those attractions within driving distance from you. AND THINK BIG we already have the HALL OF FAME, and Benson's privately funded 22,000 seat field right there oh yeah TRIBE, CAVS ..... think bigger. But again we can let the billionaires quibble over that. CLEVELAND is almost there. Picture a package with HOF football and rock with tickets to the Guardians or CAVS and a big rock show at the Cleveland BROWNS Metroplex. Too big for you ? OK let the billionaires quibble over that too.
Just food for thought....
GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND! -
It's the big Home Field Advantage right? Teams have to come to Cleveland and the weather will make them buckle under right?
We just had a bad southern Louisiana team with a dome come to Cleveland and play in the 3rd coldest NFL game in history...and beat us. And WE were the team that the weather affected. Cooper had a sure thing TD but slipped on the frozen field and we had to settle for a FG. On our final attempts to score a tying TD we had a prefect pass go right through DPJ's hands. And he's been a very good catcher of the football for us. And then we had the ball go right through Njoku's hands. Cold, frozen, slippery hands and football.
The Saints pretty much sold out to stop our run game. Chubb & Hunt combined for 31 carries for 100 yards. That's 3 yards per attempt. 31 tries is a lot of trying to run. And, of course, passing was difficult in the windy, cold conditions.
Now there were over 67,000 tickets sold for that game....but I'd bet about 2/3rds of those people stayed home. Apparently, there are those that think spending all the money for tickets, parking, etc. for 'entertainment' means that you should want to freeze your ass off...and like it!
Contrary to popular belief, football is not 'made to be played' in that type of weather. Passing is a part of the game. Especially in today's NFL. Put a roof on it...if not for the players, then for the fans. After all, without the fans, what have you got?
The covered or better yet retractable stadium is for :
1. The fans comfort . -or- would anyone prefer the empty stands and as I saw on our local sports BROWNS seats $5 (and steelers $10 same night). Sure you crazy snowball guys like that ..... so you can take your shirts off ..... the other 98.6% of us say no we will pass so we 98.6% of us can enjoy our nachos and a cold beer.
2. For city and regional attractions to be held year round. Think big picture guys 8 NFL home games or 40-50++ events at the " The CLEVELAND BROWNS stadium/ metroplex ". Bring in all kinds of concerts, SUPER BOWLS, rodeos, motocross, (you name it) to downtown Cleveland, OHIO.
Money gentlemen money drives everything big in this world. And do you want any taxpayers help or private it really doesn't matter. Financing, tax abatements all of that can be worked out, let the billionaires quibble over that stuff.
Wouldn't you like all of those attractions within driving distance from you. AND THINK BIG we already have the HALL OF FAME, and Benson's privately funded 22,000 seat field right there oh yeah TRIBE, CAVS ..... think bigger. But again we can let the billionaires quibble over that. CLEVELAND is almost there. Picture a package with HOF football and rock with tickets to the Guardians or CAVS and a big rock show at the Cleveland BROWNS Metroplex. Too big for you ? OK let the billionaires quibble over that too.
Just food for thought....
The covered or better yet retractable stadium is for :
1. The fans comfort . -or- would anyone prefer the empty stands and as I saw on our local sports BROWNS seats $5 (and steelers $10 same night). Sure you crazy snowball guys like that ..... so you can take your shirts off ..... the other 98.6% of us say no we will pass so we 98.6% of us can enjoy our nachos and a cold beer.
2. For city and regional attractions to be held year round. Think big picture guys 8 NFL home games or 40-50++ events at the " The CLEVELAND BROWNS stadium/ metroplex ". Bring in all kinds of concerts, SUPER BOWLS, rodeos, motocross, (you name it) to downtown Cleveland, OHIO.
Money gentlemen money drives everything big in this world. And do you want any taxpayers help or private it really doesn't matter. Financing, tax abatements all of that can be worked out, let the billionaires quibble over that stuff.
Wouldn't you like all of those attractions within driving distance from you. AND THINK BIG we already have the HALL OF FAME, and Benson's privately funded 22,000 seat field right there oh yeah TRIBE, CAVS ..... think bigger. But again we can let the billionaires quibble over that. CLEVELAND is almost there. Picture a package with HOF football and rock with tickets to the Guardians or CAVS and a big rock show at the Cleveland BROWNS Metroplex. Too big for you ? OK let the billionaires quibble over that too.
Just food for thought....
Regarding the sparse crowd and lousy weather for the Saints game....
1) Anyone who doesn't think that it being CHRISTMAS EVE wasn't huge factor is nuts. Family commitments anyone? I have several nephews who spend hours freezing their asses off in duck blinds that gladly would have gone to the game, just not on that day. I'll agree with Flugel, uninspiring team too. Being in serious contention for the playoffs would have increased the attendance.
2) Yep mjp you got that right BILLIONAIRES. I doubt Jimmuh would be willing to pull a Stan Kroenke out of his ass on his own and fund the two billion or so that seems to be the going rate for a new NFL stadium today. I doubt the city or county will be willing to chip in much.
3) LOL this "we gotta build a dome" rant comes up every time there's a bad weather game. The wimpification of America. I've been to five different domed venues to see the Brown play, and if that's the ambiance you prefer... My suggestion to you is stay home, watch the game on TV in your Man Cave, and save yourself a lot of money in the process. Because that's exactly IMHO the ambiance of watching a game in a dome.
4) There's um how many cold weather cities that don't have domed stadiums and have no plans to build one? Let's put a dome over Lambeau Field in Green Bay.
Soldier Field Chicago. If you think it can't get cold in Cincinnati, I give you the Bengals- Chargers playoff game where the plumbing froze in the rest rooms. (I was in West Virginia skiing at Snowshoe that day when the wind chill hit minus 78 below, but I digress.) Finally, there's the beautiful banana belt city currently buried under multiple feet of snow (that would be Buffalo) if the reports I've seen are correct, isn't planning on their new stadium being domed. Fortunately with the big warming trend coming up, they should be able to dump the mountain of snow around the stadium into the Niagra River prior to their upcoming playoff game. And pray they don't get hit with another blizzard in the meantime.
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It's the big Home Field Advantage right? Teams have to come to Cleveland and the weather will make them buckle under right?
We just had a bad southern Louisiana team with a dome come to Cleveland and play in the 3rd coldest NFL game in history...and beat us. And WE were the team that the weather affected. Cooper had a sure thing TD but slipped on the frozen field and we had to settle for a FG. On our final attempts to score a tying TD we had a prefect pass go right through DPJ's hands. And he's been a very good catcher of the football for us. And then we had the ball go right through Njoku's hands. Cold, frozen, slippery hands and football.
The Saints pretty much sold out to stop our run game. Chubb & Hunt combined for 31 carries for 100 yards. That's 3 yards per attempt. 31 tries is a lot of trying to run. And, of course, passing was difficult in the windy, cold conditions.
Now there were over 67,000 tickets sold for that game....but I'd bet about 2/3rds of those people stayed home. Apparently, there are those that think spending all the money for tickets, parking, etc. for 'entertainment' means that you should want to freeze your ass off...and like it!
Contrary to popular belief, football is not 'made to be played' in that type of weather. Passing is a part of the game. Especially in today's NFL. Put a roof on it...if not for the players, then for the fans. After all, without the fans, what have you got?
The covered or better yet retractable stadium is for :
1. The fans comfort . -or- would anyone prefer the empty stands and as I saw on our local sports BROWNS seats $5 (and steelers $10 same night). Sure you crazy snowball guys like that ..... so you can take your shirts off ..... the other 98.6% of us say no we will pass so we 98.6% of us can enjoy our nachos and a cold beer.
2. For city and regional attractions to be held year round. Think big picture guys 8 NFL home games or 40-50++ events at the " The CLEVELAND BROWNS stadium/ metroplex ". Bring in all kinds of concerts, SUPER BOWLS, rodeos, motocross, (you name it) to downtown Cleveland, OHIO.
Money gentlemen money drives everything big in this world. And do you want any taxpayers help or private it really doesn't matter. Financing, tax abatements all of that can be worked out, let the billionaires quibble over that stuff.
Wouldn't you like all of those attractions within driving distance from you. AND THINK BIG we already have the HALL OF FAME, and Benson's privately funded 22,000 seat field right there oh yeah TRIBE, CAVS ..... think bigger. But again we can let the billionaires quibble over that. CLEVELAND is almost there. Picture a package with HOF football and rock with tickets to the Guardians or CAVS and a big rock show at the Cleveland BROWNS Metroplex. Too big for you ? OK let the billionaires quibble over that too.
Just food for thought....
2. For city and regional attractions to be held year round. Think big picture guys 8 NFL home games or 40-50++ events at the " The CLEVELAND BROWNS stadium/ metroplex ". Bring in all kinds of concerts, SUPER BOWLS, rodeos, motocross, (you name it) to downtown Cleveland, OHIO.
I like your idea, but a domed stadium would have to compete against the Cleveland Convention Center, The IX, and Rocket Mortgage Field House.
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
PS, yes I'm aware that 25 years or so is currently the shelf life of an NFL stadium. Doesn't have to be though, if it's done right. IIRC Arrowhead in KC is 50 years old, and a great venue to watch a game. Unfortunately, First Energy was built quickly and on the cheap, so it probably is approaching it's expiration date.
Just MHO though- those expecting a billion bucks worth of $100 dollar bills to start raining down from the heavens to build a new stadium aren't being very realistic.
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2. For city and regional attractions to be held year round. Think big picture guys 8 NFL home games or 40-50++ events at the " The CLEVELAND BROWNS stadium/ metroplex ". Bring in all kinds of concerts, SUPER BOWLS, rodeos, motocross, (you name it) to downtown Cleveland, OHIO.
I like your idea, but a domed stadium would have to compete against the Cleveland Convention Center, The IX, and Rocket Mortgage Field House.
I like your idea, but a domed stadium would have to compete against the Cleveland Convention Center, The IX, and Rocket Mortgage Field House.
But... We can't have tractor pulls or rodeos at those other venues. ?
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I like your idea, but a domed stadium would have to compete against the Cleveland Convention Center, The IX, and Rocket Mortgage Field House.
But... We can't have tractor pulls or rodeos at those other venues. ?
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I like your idea, but a domed stadium would have to compete against the Cleveland Convention Center, The IX, and Rocket Mortgage Field House.
But... We can't have tractor pulls or rodeos at those other venues. ?
But... We can't have tractor pulls or rodeos at those other venues. ?
Just curious, why no tractor pulls or rodeos in Cleveland ? They are all over the USA.
Now a reality check a. Dome in Cleveland ? b. Hell will freeze over. C. Both. D. Neither.
So do they have a shot ?
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Just curious, why no tractor pulls or rodeos in Cleveland ? They are all over the USA.
Now a reality check a. Dome in Cleveland ? b. He'll will freeze over. C. Both. D. Neither.
So do they have a shot ?
TBD... and probably not in our lifetime regarding a Dome. Here's the reality check. First Energy cost close to $600 million in today's dollars, and it was stretch to find the money. You tell me how Cleveland is going to be able to dig up four or five times that to build a domed pleasure palace.
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Just curious, why no tractor pulls or rodeos in Cleveland ? They are all over the USA.
Now a reality check a. Dome in Cleveland ? b. He'll will freeze over. C. Both. D. Neither.
So do they have a shot ?
TBD... and probably not in our lifetime regarding a Dome. Here's the reality check. First Energy cost close to $600 million in today's dollars, and it was stretch to find the money. You tell me how Cleveland is going to be able to dig up four or five times that to build a domed pleasure palace.
TBD... and probably not in our lifetime regarding a Dome. Here's the reality check. First Energy cost close to $600 million in today's dollars, and it was stretch to find the money. You tell me how Cleveland is going to be able to dig up four or five times that to build a domed pleasure palace.
You are correct. If they didn't do this 20, 30 or more years ago they might have missed their shot at a dome by lake Erie I'm afraid ..... unless some new leader can come in and put it together.
Just before the SUPER BOWL?? in Cleveland I'm afraid. Oh well ..... a good idea that may never happen. Who knows now or when.
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@ghoolie-always-ghoolie said:
I have never gone to a game or not gone to a game because of the weather or because of the fucking stadium.
If either of these things influence you seeing a football game you are not a fan, you are a cuunnt.
Who TF cares about this bullshit?
Hey Larry, we better not get tickets for next year's Steeler game in December. It might be cold and snow.
Who TF thinks stupid shit like this?
i just wore a heavy jacket
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@ghoolie-always-ghoolie said:
I have never gone to a game or not gone to a game because of the weather or because of the fucking stadium.
If either of these things influence you seeing a football game you are not a fan, you are a cuunnt.
Who TF cares about this bullshit?
Hey Larry, we better not get tickets for next year's Steeler game in December. It might be cold and snow.
Who TF thinks stupid shit like this?
i just wore a heavy jacket
i just wore a heavy jacket
Part of it is mental, the other part is being willing to shell out money to have proper cold weather gear in your posession. If you notice my sig line, I've done a fair share of cold weather camping and mountaineering. Including a couple days at the Sheldon Cabin on Denali. (see image below, when you really want to get away from it all) I did notice it was 25 degrees the other day when I got back from my bike ride.
Shit, one of the documentaries I've seen on Mount Everest climbs, those guys were at Camp Two at 22,000 feet, it was 20 below wind chill at night, and they were acting like they were at a Boy Scout picnic.
FWIW, my Alaska pal has told me you can tolerate -40 below as long as there's no wind. The saying up there is "wind kills".
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Real grass, although I believe there are methods to grow grass indoors. Turf is awful. I can’t imagine a time where the Steelers play indoors and frankly I feel the same about the browns. It’s kind of built into their football dna.
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@ghoolie-always-ghoolie said:
Larry you were going to the stadium in the ice and cold even before you were a mountain man. We went to the games because that's what we do
Well yes, I was at Red Right 88... And I well remember a Rams game at old Municipal where it was so cold we had beer slushies. But a lot of the serious climbs I've done- Mount Elbert in Colorado, the Grand Teton and Gannett Peak in Wyoming were in the late 1970s.
As one of the guys (from Pittsburgh no less) that we hiked out of the Bridger Wilderness with... Yeah, nice August weather in the high country 30 degrees and light snow said, and I'll never forget it.. "What I consider a vacation, most folks would think it was severe torture."
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Screw the open air crap and how it is an advantage, yada,yada, yada.
The only sport that needs to be played in frozen conditions is hockey, and shoot, even they play indoors...lol
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Screw the open air crap and how it is an advantage, yada,yada, yada.
The only sport that needs to be played in frozen conditions is hockey, and shoot, even they play indoors...lol
Screw the open air crap and how it is an advantage, yada,yada, yada.
The only sport that needs to be played in frozen conditions is hockey, and shoot, even they play indoors...lol
I try to think of all sides of anything be it a problem, challenge, game or whatever and then reduce it down to the most important parts or key points.
Here traditional limited use old school hard ass open air venue (all the +/- etc.) versus a modern new virtually unlimited use dome or retractable roof facility.
The use, cost (always a BIG item) land procurement, tax issues, parking all the variables that you can dream of here. The successes and failures of similar ventures. Any political factors of more interest now than before. They go into the big business crock pot of ideas ...... and then the final decisions begin to emerge and let the billionaires take their sides and see what comes of it ..... or not.
Another generation lost ? We'll see what happens........
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Screw the open air crap and how it is an advantage, yada,yada, yada.
The only sport that needs to be played in frozen conditions is hockey, and shoot, even they play indoors...lol
Screw the open air crap and how it is an advantage, yada,yada, yada.
The only sport that needs to be played in frozen conditions is hockey, and shoot, even they play indoors...lol
One of the biggest myths concerning the Browns is that they are traditionally a smash-mouth football team.
At their most successful, the Browns have been a balanced, if not a team that is pass-prolific.
On defense, I think of smash-mouth, physical teams having HOF Linebackers who'd tear your head off. George, Butkus and Singletary for the Bears. Nitschke for the Packers. Lambert for the Steelers. The Browns really have no LB in their history that really fits that mold.
Another big myth is that the Browns have parlayed bad weather as some kind of advantage. That's categorically untrue. Look at their playoff record at home. Not exactly the Broncos at Mile High.
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Screw the open air crap and how it is an advantage, yada,yada, yada.
The only sport that needs to be played in frozen conditions is hockey, and shoot, even they play indoors...lol
One of the biggest myths concerning the Browns is that they are traditionally a smash-mouth football team.
At their most successful, the Browns have been a balanced, if not a team that is pass-prolific.
On defense, I think of smash-mouth, physical teams having HOF Linebackers who'd tear your head off. George, Butkus and Singletary for the Bears. Nitschke for the Packers. Lambert for the Steelers. The Browns really have no LB in their history that really fits that mold.
Another big myth is that the Browns have parlayed bad weather as some kind of advantage. That's categorically untrue. Look at their playoff record at home. Not exactly the Broncos at Mile High.
One of the biggest myths concerning the Browns is that they are traditionally a smash-mouth football team.
At their most successful, the Browns have been a balanced, if not a team that is pass-prolific.
On defense, I think of smash-mouth, physical teams having HOF Linebackers who'd tear your head off. George, Butkus and Singletary for the Bears. Nitschke for the Packers. Lambert for the Steelers. The Browns really have no LB in their history that really fits that mold.
Yep, the last time the Browns had any semblence of a great LB core was 1994. Truly maddening- and we get to see our rivals with all star LBs take over games way too many times.
The Browns have this small window of about 5 years to get this ship righted IMHO, before any "new stadium talk" will gain traction. Pretty much coincides with this Watson gamble....if the Browns don't capitalize on it, remain sub .500 uh oh.
Sorry fans, for the 1st time in my Browns fandom I wimped out and stayed home for the Saints game due to the weather. I've attended well over 300 home games since 1972, I wasn't going after shoveling the drifts off my driveway with 35 mph winds & gusts higher than that. Despite that, I'm anti-dome even though it would be "good for the region."
Regarding the dome vs open air, I worry the general public will be against funding it, pretty much rightfully so. Which raises my concern of an Alex Spanos/Stan Kroenke situation. One of the biggest complaints among the residents of the City of Cleveland is the neighborhoods have been ignored and projects such as Gateway, Euclid Corridor, & Ohio City developments have taken precedence. Oops, bordering on politics, I'll stop now lol.
Happy New Year everybody, Go Browns!!!!
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Thanks for the responses and thoughts.
My original thinking of this thread was for football home field advantage reasoning, with a caveat that money was no object (which, of course, it always is).
We have one person who hikes and climbs mountains like a billy-goat. Good luck filling a stadium with outdoor adventurers. Of course there's the stoned and sloshed bunch who'll have their shirts off. But, I'm talking normal, everyday, regular people (que Joe Walsh Ordinary Average Guy) who wants to go and enjoy watching his/her favorite football team. Key word, 'enjoy'. Yes, it won't be as enjoyable if the team gets beat as expected...but would more people go to late season games if they didn't have to endure being subjected to lousy weather for 4 or 5 hours? (rhetorical question)
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
It's a tough question - I think there aren't enough folks who know how to dress for the weather to be safe at the worst of frozen cold snowy games. Dad and I went to a game that was really frozen, roaring wind, a lot of snow, etc - and we had a great time. There was so few fans there, most of us simply moved down to the first level of seats.
To me, a retractable roof would be a great thing for the really tough weather on the lake front. Why it was not designed to have one added years later, beats me.
So many go to games with tennis shoes, thin coats etc and leave by halftime or sooner. And the elderly, who don't get around as well anymore - it would save them from injuries in bad weather.
I always loved the fresh air and the weather. But to build ANOTHER STADIUM somewhere else? baloney. Leave it to the haslams to move the team to Tennessee for nicer weather..... wouldn't surprise me at all at this point.
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Question : how many true home bad weather games do the Cleveland BROWNS have every year ? Or decade ?
The answer(s) might suprise you. There are sites that show the kickoff time weather for every BROWNS or any NFL team.
It's the somewhat rare bad weather "blizzard games" that get the attention.
So to look at all sides why build a dome/retractable stadium in the first place ? My answer is economical development through a multi use (but football NFL and college primary) advantage. For example you will never get a northern city SUPER BOWL without one. Plus the 1,001 other uses it affords.
And the hotels, motels, restaurants etc don't want to hear bad weather gameday. Northern is still a tough sell, people want to vacation in Jan/ Feb in warm weather.
So good idea - yes. Perfect answer - maybe. I'd love to see it -but- I'm not paying for it.
GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND!
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