Tell me again why Browns Stadium shouldn't have roof
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@ghoolie-always-ghoolie said:
Larry you were going to the stadium in the ice and cold even before you were a mountain man. We went to the games because that's what we do
Well yes, I was at Red Right 88... And I well remember a Rams game at old Municipal where it was so cold we had beer slushies. But a lot of the serious climbs I've done- Mount Elbert in Colorado, the Grand Teton and Gannett Peak in Wyoming were in the late 1970s.
As one of the guys (from Pittsburgh no less) that we hiked out of the Bridger Wilderness with... Yeah, nice August weather in the high country 30 degrees and light snow said, and I'll never forget it.. "What I consider a vacation, most folks would think it was severe torture."
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Screw the open air crap and how it is an advantage, yada,yada, yada.
The only sport that needs to be played in frozen conditions is hockey, and shoot, even they play indoors...lol
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. -
Screw the open air crap and how it is an advantage, yada,yada, yada.
The only sport that needs to be played in frozen conditions is hockey, and shoot, even they play indoors...lol
Screw the open air crap and how it is an advantage, yada,yada, yada.
The only sport that needs to be played in frozen conditions is hockey, and shoot, even they play indoors...lol
I try to think of all sides of anything be it a problem, challenge, game or whatever and then reduce it down to the most important parts or key points.
Here traditional limited use old school hard ass open air venue (all the +/- etc.) versus a modern new virtually unlimited use dome or retractable roof facility.
The use, cost (always a BIG item) land procurement, tax issues, parking all the variables that you can dream of here. The successes and failures of similar ventures. Any political factors of more interest now than before. They go into the big business crock pot of ideas ...... and then the final decisions begin to emerge and let the billionaires take their sides and see what comes of it ..... or not.
Another generation lost ? We'll see what happens........
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Screw the open air crap and how it is an advantage, yada,yada, yada.
The only sport that needs to be played in frozen conditions is hockey, and shoot, even they play indoors...lol
Screw the open air crap and how it is an advantage, yada,yada, yada.
The only sport that needs to be played in frozen conditions is hockey, and shoot, even they play indoors...lol
One of the biggest myths concerning the Browns is that they are traditionally a smash-mouth football team.
At their most successful, the Browns have been a balanced, if not a team that is pass-prolific.
On defense, I think of smash-mouth, physical teams having HOF Linebackers who'd tear your head off. George, Butkus and Singletary for the Bears. Nitschke for the Packers. Lambert for the Steelers. The Browns really have no LB in their history that really fits that mold.
Another big myth is that the Browns have parlayed bad weather as some kind of advantage. That's categorically untrue. Look at their playoff record at home. Not exactly the Broncos at Mile High.
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Screw the open air crap and how it is an advantage, yada,yada, yada.
The only sport that needs to be played in frozen conditions is hockey, and shoot, even they play indoors...lol
One of the biggest myths concerning the Browns is that they are traditionally a smash-mouth football team.
At their most successful, the Browns have been a balanced, if not a team that is pass-prolific.
On defense, I think of smash-mouth, physical teams having HOF Linebackers who'd tear your head off. George, Butkus and Singletary for the Bears. Nitschke for the Packers. Lambert for the Steelers. The Browns really have no LB in their history that really fits that mold.
Another big myth is that the Browns have parlayed bad weather as some kind of advantage. That's categorically untrue. Look at their playoff record at home. Not exactly the Broncos at Mile High.
One of the biggest myths concerning the Browns is that they are traditionally a smash-mouth football team.
At their most successful, the Browns have been a balanced, if not a team that is pass-prolific.
On defense, I think of smash-mouth, physical teams having HOF Linebackers who'd tear your head off. George, Butkus and Singletary for the Bears. Nitschke for the Packers. Lambert for the Steelers. The Browns really have no LB in their history that really fits that mold.
Yep, the last time the Browns had any semblence of a great LB core was 1994. Truly maddening- and we get to see our rivals with all star LBs take over games way too many times.
The Browns have this small window of about 5 years to get this ship righted IMHO, before any "new stadium talk" will gain traction. Pretty much coincides with this Watson gamble....if the Browns don't capitalize on it, remain sub .500 uh oh.
Sorry fans, for the 1st time in my Browns fandom I wimped out and stayed home for the Saints game due to the weather. I've attended well over 300 home games since 1972, I wasn't going after shoveling the drifts off my driveway with 35 mph winds & gusts higher than that. Despite that, I'm anti-dome even though it would be "good for the region."
Regarding the dome vs open air, I worry the general public will be against funding it, pretty much rightfully so. Which raises my concern of an Alex Spanos/Stan Kroenke situation. One of the biggest complaints among the residents of the City of Cleveland is the neighborhoods have been ignored and projects such as Gateway, Euclid Corridor, & Ohio City developments have taken precedence. Oops, bordering on politics, I'll stop now lol.
Happy New Year everybody, Go Browns!!!!
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Thanks for the responses and thoughts.
My original thinking of this thread was for football home field advantage reasoning, with a caveat that money was no object (which, of course, it always is).
We have one person who hikes and climbs mountains like a billy-goat. Good luck filling a stadium with outdoor adventurers. Of course there's the stoned and sloshed bunch who'll have their shirts off. But, I'm talking normal, everyday, regular people (que Joe Walsh Ordinary Average Guy) who wants to go and enjoy watching his/her favorite football team. Key word, 'enjoy'. Yes, it won't be as enjoyable if the team gets beat as expected...but would more people go to late season games if they didn't have to endure being subjected to lousy weather for 4 or 5 hours? (rhetorical question)
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
It's a tough question - I think there aren't enough folks who know how to dress for the weather to be safe at the worst of frozen cold snowy games. Dad and I went to a game that was really frozen, roaring wind, a lot of snow, etc - and we had a great time. There was so few fans there, most of us simply moved down to the first level of seats.
To me, a retractable roof would be a great thing for the really tough weather on the lake front. Why it was not designed to have one added years later, beats me.
So many go to games with tennis shoes, thin coats etc and leave by halftime or sooner. And the elderly, who don't get around as well anymore - it would save them from injuries in bad weather.
I always loved the fresh air and the weather. But to build ANOTHER STADIUM somewhere else? baloney. Leave it to the haslams to move the team to Tennessee for nicer weather..... wouldn't surprise me at all at this point.
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Question : how many true home bad weather games do the Cleveland BROWNS have every year ? Or decade ?
The answer(s) might suprise you. There are sites that show the kickoff time weather for every BROWNS or any NFL team.
It's the somewhat rare bad weather "blizzard games" that get the attention.
So to look at all sides why build a dome/retractable stadium in the first place ? My answer is economical development through a multi use (but football NFL and college primary) advantage. For example you will never get a northern city SUPER BOWL without one. Plus the 1,001 other uses it affords.
And the hotels, motels, restaurants etc don't want to hear bad weather gameday. Northern is still a tough sell, people want to vacation in Jan/ Feb in warm weather.
So good idea - yes. Perfect answer - maybe. I'd love to see it -but- I'm not paying for it.
GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND! -
Question : how many true home bad weather games do the Cleveland BROWNS have every year ? Or decade ?
The answer(s) might suprise you. There are sites that show the kickoff time weather for every BROWNS or any NFL team.
It's the somewhat rare bad weather "blizzard games" that get the attention.
So to look at all sides why build a dome/retractable stadium in the first place ? My answer is economical development through a multi use (but football NFL and college primary) advantage. For example you will never get a northern city SUPER BOWL without one. Plus the 1,001 other uses it affords.
And the hotels, motels, restaurants etc don't want to hear bad weather gameday. Northern is still a tough sell, people want to vacation in Jan/ Feb in warm weather.
So good idea - yes. Perfect answer - maybe. I'd love to see it -but- I'm not paying for it.
So to look at all sides why build a dome/retractable stadium in the first place ? My answer is economical development through a multi use (but football NFL and college primary) advantage. For example you will never get a northern city SUPER BOWL without one. Plus the 1,001 other uses it affords.
So good idea - yes. Perfect answer - maybe. I'd love to see it -but- I'm not paying for it.
That's the thing, nobody wants to pay for it.
The residents of Cuyahoga County, for example voted in the "sin tax" on alcohol & tobacco. The other 87 counties didn't pay into that, even though quite a few of those residents have enjoyed time at Jacobs Field/Progressive Field & CLE Browns Stadium/First Energy Stadium. Particularly the NE Ohio region counties.
A public/private finance solution should be the answer. What % is the question.
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Question : how many true home bad weather games do the Cleveland BROWNS have every year ? Or decade ?
The answer(s) might suprise you. There are sites that show the kickoff time weather for every BROWNS or any NFL team.
It's the somewhat rare bad weather "blizzard games" that get the attention.
So to look at all sides why build a dome/retractable stadium in the first place ? My answer is economical development through a multi use (but football NFL and college primary) advantage. For example you will never get a northern city SUPER BOWL without one. Plus the 1,001 other uses it affords.
And the hotels, motels, restaurants etc don't want to hear bad weather gameday. Northern is still a tough sell, people want to vacation in Jan/ Feb in warm weather.
So good idea - yes. Perfect answer - maybe. I'd love to see it -but- I'm not paying for it.
Question : how many true home bad weather games do the Cleveland BROWNS have every year ? Or decade ?
The answer(s) might surprise you. There are sites that show the kickoff time weather for every BROWNS or any NFL team.
It's the somewhat rare bad weather "blizzard games" that get the attention.
So to look at all sides why build a dome/retractable stadium in the first place ? My answer is economical development through a multi use (but football NFL and college primary) advantage. For example you will never get a northern city SUPER BOWL without one. Plus the 1,001 other uses it affords.
And the hotels, motels, restaurants etc don't want to hear bad weather gameday. Northern is still a tough sell, people want to vacation in Jan/ Feb in warm weather.
So good idea - yes. Perfect answer - maybe. I'd love to see it -but- I'm not paying for it.
So please... Just SHOVE the wistful rationalization Crap "we'll (Cleveland) NEVER get to host a Super Bowl Up your ass. That's a one in a
20year make that 40 year proposition... Detroit... 1982... AND Counting...Green Bay will never get a Super Bowl... Ditto #3 metropolis in America, CHICAGO will never get one either- and that city has one HELL of a lot more infrastructure to host one FYI. Should I go on to list the other cities you can scratch off of the "once in a lifetime" piss poor argument as to having a Dome? Didn't think so.....
1001 other benefits? I'll bet you can't list more than 15. Hyperbole much? Cost benefit analysis... Yeah, retractable roof Lucas Oil might cost about a billion or so today if you're lucky... And HELL will freeze over if you're hallucinating the NFL combine would ever move out of Indianapolis to Cleveland. Cleveland has gotten a bunch of "national" events, including the NFL Draft, a major political convention, and we didn't need to spend a billion dollars to get them either....
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Question : how many true home bad weather games do the Cleveland BROWNS have every year ? Or decade ?
The answer(s) might surprise you. There are sites that show the kickoff time weather for every BROWNS or any NFL team.
It's the somewhat rare bad weather "blizzard games" that get the attention.
So to look at all sides why build a dome/retractable stadium in the first place ? My answer is economical development through a multi use (but football NFL and college primary) advantage. For example you will never get a northern city SUPER BOWL without one. Plus the 1,001 other uses it affords.
And the hotels, motels, restaurants etc don't want to hear bad weather gameday. Northern is still a tough sell, people want to vacation in Jan/ Feb in warm weather.
So good idea - yes. Perfect answer - maybe. I'd love to see it -but- I'm not paying for it.
So please... Just SHOVE the wistful rationalization Crap "we'll (Cleveland) NEVER get to host a Super Bowl Up your ass. That's a one in a
20year make that 40 year proposition... Detroit... 1982... AND Counting...Green Bay will never get a Super Bowl... Ditto #3 metropolis in America, CHICAGO will never get one either- and that city has one HELL of a lot more infrastructure to host one FYI. Should I go on to list the other cities you can scratch off of the "once in a lifetime" piss poor argument as to having a Dome? Didn't think so.....
1001 other benefits? I'll bet you can't list more than 15. Hyperbole much? Cost benefit analysis... Yeah, retractable roof Lucas Oil might cost about a billion or so today if you're lucky... And HELL will freeze over if you're hallucinating the NFL combine would ever move out of Indianapolis to Cleveland. Cleveland has gotten a bunch of "national" events, including the NFL Draft, a major political convention, and we didn't need to spend a billion dollars to get them either....
So please... Just SHOVE the wistful rationalization Crap "we'll (Cleveland) NEVER get to host a Super Bowl Up your ass. That's a one in a
20year make that 40 year proposition... Detroit... 1982... AND Counting...Green Bay will never get a Super Bowl... Ditto #3 metropolis in America, CHICAGO will never get one either- and that city has one HELL of a lot more infrastructure to host one FYI. Should I go on to list the other cities you can scratch off of the "once in a lifetime" piss poor argument as to having a Dome? Didn't think so.....
1001 other benefits? I'll bet you can't list more than 15. Hyperbole much? Cost benefit analysis... Yeah, retractable roof Lucas Oil might cost about a billion or so today if you're lucky... And HELL will freeze over if you're hallucinating the NFL combine would ever move out of Indianapolis to Cleveland. Cleveland has gotten a bunch of "national" events, including the NFL Draft, a major political convention, and we didn't need to spend a billion dollars to get them either....
For someone who lives nowhere near Cleveland, and for someone who admits most likely won't be around when a new stadium is built, this topic consistently fires you up like no other ?
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Screw the open air crap and how it is an advantage, yada,yada, yada.
The only sport that needs to be played in frozen conditions is hockey, and shoot, even they play indoors...lol
Screw the open air crap and how it is an advantage, yada,yada, yada.
The only sport that needs to be played in frozen conditions is hockey, and shoot, even they play indoors...lol
wasn't ohio state gonna play a outdoor hockey game some time soon
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hoorta is right in one aspect, perhaps Cleveland could get one Super Bowl, perhaps. That's probably about it.
But a domed football stadium also could bring the NCAA Final Four, along with potentially down the road the MAC Championship, Big Ten Championship, etc.
It will be interesting to see how this unfolds at the end of the decade. The Guardians aren't going anywhere, Progressive Field wasn't built quickly and cheaply originally, it is still a great place to watch a baseball game. There were big renovations in the middle of the 2010s there already, and an even more ambitious round of renovations starts after the 2023 season ends.
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What really hurts about that loss is that it appeared earlier that we'd have a decent shot at the playoffs. But nope. We choked to a dome team. And we dropped 2 touchdown passes at the very end of the game. Sums up the year, don't it?
I absolutely detest bad weather games. It's not what I want to watch.
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Question : how many true home bad weather games do the Cleveland BROWNS have every year ? Or decade ?
The answer(s) might suprise you. There are sites that show the kickoff time weather for every BROWNS or any NFL team.
It's the somewhat rare bad weather "blizzard games" that get the attention.
So to look at all sides why build a dome/retractable stadium in the first place ? My answer is economical development through a multi use (but football NFL and college primary) advantage. For example you will never get a northern city SUPER BOWL without one. Plus the 1,001 other uses it affords.
And the hotels, motels, restaurants etc don't want to hear bad weather gameday. Northern is still a tough sell, people want to vacation in Jan/ Feb in warm weather.
So good idea - yes. Perfect answer - maybe. I'd love to see it -but- I'm not paying for it.
For example you will never get a northern city SUPER BOWL without one.
I think you’re forgetting about the SB being hosted in the Meadowlands in 2014.
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I think you’re forgetting about the SB being hosted in the Meadowlands in 2014.
Correct. But, that was New York. Cleveland is not NY. And neither is Buffalo.
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I think you’re forgetting about the SB being hosted in the Meadowlands in 2014.
Correct. But, that was New York. Cleveland is not NY. And neither is Buffalo.
Correct. But, that was New York. Cleveland is not NY. And neither is Buffalo.
So the cold weather dilemma doesn’t effect NY teams?
Interesting ?
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
So the cold weather dilemma doesn’t effect NY teams?
Interesting ?
No, the NFL decided that having a Super Bowl in the greater NYC area was worth the potential bad weather.
Something they've never done anywhere else in the North.
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