Tell me again why Browns Stadium shouldn't have roof
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Zombo said:
You live in Cleveland?
I figured you lived in some lesbian commune.
Z
Yep. You?
And do they even let you out of the home to buy things? Your "rec" area is technically always domed, right? You can't do water aerobics exposed to the elements. Seems hypocritical to fight against a dome.
Yep. You?
And do they even let you out of the home to buy things? Your "rec" area is technically always domed, right? You can't do water aerobics exposed to the elements. Seems hypocritical to fight against a dome.
Woody's ageism rages again!!!11
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Zombo said:
We're not a dome town. We're a steel town, a tough town, a winds blowing off the lake town ... please don't take that image away with a pussy-ass dome.
Z
Sincerely,
A Florida Resident That Sells Real Estate
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You seem to be projecting pretty hard here. Someone in the 60s called you a girl and you've really taken it to heart, huh?
And you can find articles talking about those stadiums adding domes and why it makes sense...
Call me crazy but I'd rather have a massive city investment that provides us more payback and usage than not adding a dome so you can continue to compensate for something.
First I think there must be some need for a new stadium.
Second would a retractable or dome make sense for the region's needs.
Third are the funding requirements available and go from there.
~ AND ~ Remember not everybody is not going to be happy with whatever you do, too bad. do your studies and make the decision and go for it.
Then let the bitching begin.
Third are the funding requirements available
My original thinking for the thread was, Money was no object....but of course, $$ would be a big reason to Tell Me Again Why We Can't....
Zombo said:
We're not a dome town. We're a steel town, a tough town, a winds blowing off the lake town ... please don't take that image away with a pussy-ass dome.
Well, an awful lot of those Winds Off The Lake people stayed home for that game against the Saints. And that was a must win for us to keep our playoff hopes alive. Now, perhaps there would've been more fans there if it were the Steelers, but the majority of those would've been Steeler fans. And that's more embarrassing than empty seats.
And not just for the economic value of a roof (retractable is fine) for hosting other things for the community (and profit) and/or a super bowl, or combine. And not even for the comfort of the fans and attracting more of them to late season games...but also for the comfort of the players. It's not the 1960's anymore. Players can move around the league now-a-days. They're not stuck in Minnesota with that Whako Bud Grant not allowing his players to have sideline heaters. You're competing not just on the field, you're also competing for talent. Look how much $$ it took to lure Watson. New Orleans wouldn't have needed to pay near that much for him. (turned out they didn't need him to beat us...they had what's-his-face playing wild cat) - that game was a gut punch and a slap in the face at the same time. It's what caused me to start this thread. That crap-ass offense beat us and eliminated us...while we had beautiful td passes sliding through the frozen fingers of our receivers. Geezuz Joseph and Mary that game pissed me off.
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
Zombo said:
Well our run defense sucked ass and couldn't adjust to Taysom Hill running on us even though everyone frozen in the stands and warm at home knew he was running it when he was in there.
I think firing the defensive coordinator was a much more logical reaction than building a dome.
Z
Yup. One step at a time. Part of me wonders what Woods was thinking as he was heading into the season with that DT tandem he had. "If I lose my MLB I'm fucked". But, it was more than that anyway. The players were too confused too many times. Too many breakdowns.
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Zombo said:
Well our run defense sucked ass and couldn't adjust to Taysom Hill running on us even though everyone frozen in the stands and warm at home knew he was running it when he was in there.
I think firing the defensive coordinator was a much more logical reaction than building a dome.
Z
Yup. One step at a time. Part of me wonders what Woods was thinking as he was heading into the season with that DT tandem he had. "If I lose my MLB I'm fucked". But, it was more than that anyway. The players were too confused too many times. Too many breakdowns.
Yup. One step at a time. Part of me wonders what Woods was thinking as he was heading into the season with that DT tandem he had. "If I lose my MLB I'm fucked". But, it was more than that anyway. The players were too confused too many times. Too many breakdowns.
Interesting view on that. Very interesting.
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Yup. One step at a time. Part of me wonders what Woods was thinking as he was heading into the season with that DT tandem he had. "If I lose my MLB I'm fucked". But, it was more than that anyway. The players were too confused too many times. Too many breakdowns.
Interesting view on that. Very interesting.
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Zombo said:
That percentage of Dome teams on the road in the playoffs... .244 ... is an actual stat, I didn't just make that up.
Overall, road teams are .413 ... big statistical difference.
Z
Maybe so. I think it plays out more over the course of the season rather than individual games. Aslo, good teams are just good teams. The stadium probably doesn't make all that much of a difference.
I just feel that domes create a much louder environment. I just know that i can make more noise when the weather is nice rather than when all bundled up, wearing thick gloves and a scarf over my mouth. That just makes common sense. Right?
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Zombo said:
Well, I sell a lot of Real Estate. So I can afford to fly up anytime and watch the Browns and blow bucks on hotels and restaurants with my traveling friends.
Congratulations on all your success!
I can tell you that ends if you build a faggety dome. Takes away from the Cleveland experience for me. And I'm sure that goes for a lot of traveling Dawgs. But you'll get more housewives from Medina and a "family friendly" experience.
Personally, I love bad weather football. Give me snow, mud, rain and wind. Love it. I also realize that fiscally, there is nothing more idiotic than building an open-air football stadium in the North that sits empty 95% of the time. You also should be able to appreciate the humor that is some guy in Florida employed in a Nerf soft profession littered with homosexual men (not that there is anything wrong with that) yelling and screaming about how "homosexual" the idea of the Browns not playing in bad weather is because Cleveland is a blue-collar steel town. ? But.... you are not wrong when you bring up the fact that dome stadium teams and their relative lack of success in winning Super Bowls. You have a valid point there.
Anything else you'd like to ruin? Baseball? Yoga pants? Dave and Busters?
I'd love to ruin superhero/comic book movies, so they'd stop making them.
Z
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Zombo said:
That percentage of Dome teams on the road in the playoffs... .244 ... is an actual stat, I didn't just make that up.
Overall, road teams are .413 ... big statistical difference.
Z
Maybe so. I think it plays out more over the course of the season rather than individual games. Aslo, good teams are just good teams. The stadium probably doesn't make all that much of a difference.
I just feel that domes create a much louder environment. I just know that i can make more noise when the weather is nice rather than when all bundled up, wearing thick gloves and a scarf over my mouth. That just makes common sense. Right?
Maybe so. I think it plays out more over the course of the season rather than individual games. Aslo, good teams are just good teams. The stadium probably doesn't make all that much of a difference. ★ Probably true, good ownership, FO, Drafting, HC can also add to having and maintaining a good team.
I just feel that domes create a much louder environment. I just know that i can make more noise when the weather is nice rather than when all bundled up, wearing thick gloves and a scarf over my mouth. That just makes common sense. Right? ★ Can be true even with Cleveland's already good fans. Rooting when it's a comfortable 65° rather than a miserable rain/snow mix at 33° and a wind chill of 18°.
I did a check once of Cleveland BROWNS home/away games with the weather conditions, available for all NFLteams. I was little surprised at the results, decade after decade there were very few really bad HOME games, maybe 0, 1 or 2 a season.
I look at a dome -AND/OR- retractable open air stadium not just for 8 home games a year but it's use 52 weeks a year by the community or region. You CAN NOT print tickets for something that might end up being a rain/snow event.
If it's nice out retract the roof ! Whether it's a 65° football game or 75-80° concert in June or 30° event in March. The versatility would be awesome and uses unlimited.
Forget the occasional snow games in December I'm thinking 12 months here. ...... I think that is being completely overlooked here ! Think B-I-G people. Cleveland a destination city no matter when !
GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND! -
Third are the funding requirements available
My original thinking for the thread was, Money was no object....but of course, $$ would be a big reason to Tell Me Again Why We Can't....
Zombo said:
We're not a dome town. We're a steel town, a tough town, a winds blowing off the lake town ... please don't take that image away with a pussy-ass dome.
Well, an awful lot of those Winds Off The Lake people stayed home for that game against the Saints. And that was a must win for us to keep our playoff hopes alive. Now, perhaps there would've been more fans there if it were the Steelers, but the majority of those would've been Steeler fans. And that's more embarrassing than empty seats.
And not just for the economic value of a roof (retractable is fine) for hosting other things for the community (and profit) and/or a super bowl, or combine. And not even for the comfort of the fans and attracting more of them to late season games...but also for the comfort of the players. It's not the 1960's anymore. Players can move around the league now-a-days. They're not stuck in Minnesota with that Whako Bud Grant not allowing his players to have sideline heaters. You're competing not just on the field, you're also competing for talent. Look how much $$ it took to lure Watson. New Orleans wouldn't have needed to pay near that much for him. (turned out they didn't need him to beat us...they had what's-his-face playing wild cat) - that game was a gut punch and a slap in the face at the same time. It's what caused me to start this thread. That crap-ass offense beat us and eliminated us...while we had beautiful td passes sliding through the frozen fingers of our receivers. Geezuz Joseph and Mary that game pissed me off.
Well, an awful lot of those Winds Off The Lake people stayed home for that game against the Saints.
I’m sure the game being scheduled on Christmas Eve played a part in the decision making process.
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Maybe so. I think it plays out more over the course of the season rather than individual games. Aslo, good teams are just good teams. The stadium probably doesn't make all that much of a difference. ★ Probably true, good ownership, FO, Drafting, HC can also add to having and maintaining a good team.
I just feel that domes create a much louder environment. I just know that i can make more noise when the weather is nice rather than when all bundled up, wearing thick gloves and a scarf over my mouth. That just makes common sense. Right? ★ Can be true even with Cleveland's already good fans. Rooting when it's a comfortable 65° rather than a miserable rain/snow mix at 33° and a wind chill of 18°.
I did a check once of Cleveland BROWNS home/away games with the weather conditions, available for all NFLteams. I was little surprised at the results, decade after decade there were very few really bad HOME games, maybe 0, 1 or 2 a season.
I look at a dome -AND/OR- retractable open air stadium not just for 8 home games a year but it's use 52 weeks a year by the community or region. You CAN NOT print tickets for something that might end up being a rain/snow event.
If it's nice out retract the roof ! Whether it's a 65° football game or 75-80° concert in June or 30° event in March. The versatility would be awesome and uses unlimited.
Forget the occasional snow games in December I'm thinking 12 months here. ...... I think that is being completely overlooked here ! Think B-I-G people. Cleveland a destination city no matter when !
I look at a dome -AND/OR- retractable open air stadium not just for 8 home games a year but it's use 52 weeks a year by the community or region. You CAN NOT print tickets for something that might end up being a rain/snow event.
If it's nice out retract the roof ! Whether it's a 65° football game or 75-80° concert in June or 30° event in March. The versatility would be awesome and uses unlimited.
Forget the occasional snow games in December I'm thinking 12 months here. ...... I think that is being completely overlooked here ! Think B-I-G people. Cleveland a destination city no matter when !
make no mistake, i don't overlook that even if my comments were limited to the Browns and football related.
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Lol, yes indeed. We are entering that weird time of year for sports on tv.
I like, but don't love basketball so I don't watch it unless the Cavs, Buckeyes, or even Cleveland State are doing well.
I do vegetate on the Golf Channel, but it's not ultra important until the Masters in April.
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Zombo said:
I'm lost after the playoffs end. I love the Cavs.......
I'll be ready to be tortured again in September 2023 ... until then, I guess I'll just have to enjoy myself.
Z
Lol I get it completely.
The torture could actually begin with the draft, followed by incredible optimism, & the inevitable "2nd string QB is better than DW (or insert any other QB since 1999)" talk.
Lather, rinse, repeat. Cleveland Browns football, WOOF.?
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Zombo said:
I'm lost after the playoffs end. I love the Cavs.......
I'll be ready to be tortured again in September 2023 ... until then, I guess I'll just have to enjoy myself.
Z
Lol I get it completely.
The torture could actually begin with the draft, followed by incredible optimism, & the inevitable "2nd string QB is better than DW (or insert any other QB since 1999)" talk.
Lather, rinse, repeat. Cleveland Browns football, WOOF.?
Lol I get it completely.
The torture could actually begin with the draft, followed by incredible optimism, & the inevitable "2nd string QB is better than DW (or insert any other QB since 1999)" talk.
Lather, rinse, repeat. Cleveland Browns football, WOOF.?
All that said... This Cavs team is exciting... Not championship quality yet but I see it coming... The good thing is this team has chips it can deal and still improve... I love how this team can just grind teams to death... That reminds me of the Fratelllo coached cavs.. And I do believe Sidney Lowe is on the Cavs coaching staff so that makes sense. He was on Fratellos Cavs staff/team.
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Zombo said:
Well, I sell a lot of Real Estate. So I can afford to fly up anytime and watch the Browns and blow bucks on hotels and restaurants with my traveling friends.
I can tell you that ends if you build a faggety dome. Takes away from the Cleveland experience for me. And I'm sure that goes for a lot of traveling Dawgs. But you'll get more housewives from Medina and a "family friendly" experience.
Anything else you'd like to ruin? Baseball? Yoga pants? Dave and Busters?
Z
Zombo simple question for you what if they don't go for the "faggety dome" but instead go for a "Cleveland Regional Retractable Open Air BROWNS Stadium " ? (which happens to be my favorite choice)
You're our Naples "TBB Real Estate Guy" what would be ideally be best for our Cleveland Regional BROWNS Football Team ? A. The current open air football stadium. B. A new Retractable Football stadium. or C. A new domed football stadium.
★ And this question is also open to everyone here to give their opinions on. Thanks, mjp.
...... edit add, hey Orion, I bet you never thought that this topic would go 154+ replies and 2,100+ views ?
GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND!
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