Tell me again why Browns Stadium shouldn't have roof
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Third are the funding requirements available
My original thinking for the thread was, Money was no object....but of course, $$ would be a big reason to Tell Me Again Why We Can't....
Zombo said:
We're not a dome town. We're a steel town, a tough town, a winds blowing off the lake town ... please don't take that image away with a pussy-ass dome.
Well, an awful lot of those Winds Off The Lake people stayed home for that game against the Saints. And that was a must win for us to keep our playoff hopes alive. Now, perhaps there would've been more fans there if it were the Steelers, but the majority of those would've been Steeler fans. And that's more embarrassing than empty seats.
And not just for the economic value of a roof (retractable is fine) for hosting other things for the community (and profit) and/or a super bowl, or combine. And not even for the comfort of the fans and attracting more of them to late season games...but also for the comfort of the players. It's not the 1960's anymore. Players can move around the league now-a-days. They're not stuck in Minnesota with that Whako Bud Grant not allowing his players to have sideline heaters. You're competing not just on the field, you're also competing for talent. Look how much $$ it took to lure Watson. New Orleans wouldn't have needed to pay near that much for him. (turned out they didn't need him to beat us...they had what's-his-face playing wild cat) - that game was a gut punch and a slap in the face at the same time. It's what caused me to start this thread. That crap-ass offense beat us and eliminated us...while we had beautiful td passes sliding through the frozen fingers of our receivers. Geezuz Joseph and Mary that game pissed me off.
Well, an awful lot of those Winds Off The Lake people stayed home for that game against the Saints.
I’m sure the game being scheduled on Christmas Eve played a part in the decision making process.
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Maybe so. I think it plays out more over the course of the season rather than individual games. Aslo, good teams are just good teams. The stadium probably doesn't make all that much of a difference. ★ Probably true, good ownership, FO, Drafting, HC can also add to having and maintaining a good team.
I just feel that domes create a much louder environment. I just know that i can make more noise when the weather is nice rather than when all bundled up, wearing thick gloves and a scarf over my mouth. That just makes common sense. Right? ★ Can be true even with Cleveland's already good fans. Rooting when it's a comfortable 65° rather than a miserable rain/snow mix at 33° and a wind chill of 18°.
I did a check once of Cleveland BROWNS home/away games with the weather conditions, available for all NFLteams. I was little surprised at the results, decade after decade there were very few really bad HOME games, maybe 0, 1 or 2 a season.
I look at a dome -AND/OR- retractable open air stadium not just for 8 home games a year but it's use 52 weeks a year by the community or region. You CAN NOT print tickets for something that might end up being a rain/snow event.
If it's nice out retract the roof ! Whether it's a 65° football game or 75-80° concert in June or 30° event in March. The versatility would be awesome and uses unlimited.
Forget the occasional snow games in December I'm thinking 12 months here. ...... I think that is being completely overlooked here ! Think B-I-G people. Cleveland a destination city no matter when !
I look at a dome -AND/OR- retractable open air stadium not just for 8 home games a year but it's use 52 weeks a year by the community or region. You CAN NOT print tickets for something that might end up being a rain/snow event.
If it's nice out retract the roof ! Whether it's a 65° football game or 75-80° concert in June or 30° event in March. The versatility would be awesome and uses unlimited.
Forget the occasional snow games in December I'm thinking 12 months here. ...... I think that is being completely overlooked here ! Think B-I-G people. Cleveland a destination city no matter when !
make no mistake, i don't overlook that even if my comments were limited to the Browns and football related.
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Lol, yes indeed. We are entering that weird time of year for sports on tv.
I like, but don't love basketball so I don't watch it unless the Cavs, Buckeyes, or even Cleveland State are doing well.
I do vegetate on the Golf Channel, but it's not ultra important until the Masters in April.
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Zombo said:
I'm lost after the playoffs end. I love the Cavs.......
I'll be ready to be tortured again in September 2023 ... until then, I guess I'll just have to enjoy myself.
Z
Lol I get it completely.
The torture could actually begin with the draft, followed by incredible optimism, & the inevitable "2nd string QB is better than DW (or insert any other QB since 1999)" talk.
Lather, rinse, repeat. Cleveland Browns football, WOOF.?
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Zombo said:
I'm lost after the playoffs end. I love the Cavs.......
I'll be ready to be tortured again in September 2023 ... until then, I guess I'll just have to enjoy myself.
Z
Lol I get it completely.
The torture could actually begin with the draft, followed by incredible optimism, & the inevitable "2nd string QB is better than DW (or insert any other QB since 1999)" talk.
Lather, rinse, repeat. Cleveland Browns football, WOOF.?
Lol I get it completely.
The torture could actually begin with the draft, followed by incredible optimism, & the inevitable "2nd string QB is better than DW (or insert any other QB since 1999)" talk.
Lather, rinse, repeat. Cleveland Browns football, WOOF.?
All that said... This Cavs team is exciting... Not championship quality yet but I see it coming... The good thing is this team has chips it can deal and still improve... I love how this team can just grind teams to death... That reminds me of the Fratelllo coached cavs.. And I do believe Sidney Lowe is on the Cavs coaching staff so that makes sense. He was on Fratellos Cavs staff/team.
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Zombo said:
Well, I sell a lot of Real Estate. So I can afford to fly up anytime and watch the Browns and blow bucks on hotels and restaurants with my traveling friends.
I can tell you that ends if you build a faggety dome. Takes away from the Cleveland experience for me. And I'm sure that goes for a lot of traveling Dawgs. But you'll get more housewives from Medina and a "family friendly" experience.
Anything else you'd like to ruin? Baseball? Yoga pants? Dave and Busters?
Z
Zombo simple question for you what if they don't go for the "faggety dome" but instead go for a "Cleveland Regional Retractable Open Air BROWNS Stadium " ? (which happens to be my favorite choice)
You're our Naples "TBB Real Estate Guy" what would be ideally be best for our Cleveland Regional BROWNS Football Team ? A. The current open air football stadium. B. A new Retractable Football stadium. or C. A new domed football stadium.
★ And this question is also open to everyone here to give their opinions on. Thanks, mjp.
...... edit add, hey Orion, I bet you never thought that this topic would go 154+ replies and 2,100+ views ?
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Zombo said:
Well, I sell a lot of Real Estate. So I can afford to fly up anytime and watch the Browns and blow bucks on hotels and restaurants with my traveling friends.
I can tell you that ends if you build a faggety dome. Takes away from the Cleveland experience for me. And I'm sure that goes for a lot of traveling Dawgs. But you'll get more housewives from Medina and a "family friendly" experience.
Anything else you'd like to ruin? Baseball? Yoga pants? Dave and Busters?
Z
Zombo simple question for you what if they don't go for the "faggety dome" but instead go for a "Cleveland Regional Retractable Open Air BROWNS Stadium " ? (which happens to be my favorite choice)
You're our Naples "TBB Real Estate Guy" what would be ideally be best for our Cleveland Regional BROWNS Football Team ? A. The current open air football stadium. B. A new Retractable Football stadium. or C. A new domed football stadium.
★ And this question is also open to everyone here to give their opinions on. Thanks, mjp.
...... edit add, hey Orion, I bet you never thought that this topic would go 154+ replies and 2,100+ views ?
Zombo simple question for you
He's not going to give the correct answer. He's biased.
Orion, I bet you never thought that this topic would go 154+ replies and 2,100+ views ?
That's correct. I thought there would be a huge consensus of traditionalists that would shut down the idea immediately. Like tons of Zombos. So I'm pleasantly surprised that there are more of us roof supporters out there than I thought.
People forget that the NFL season always ended before the end of the year. Football wasn't played in January or February. Now they've got so many teams and keep adding games (you KNOW they'll be going to 18 games right? They are NOT staying at odd number 17). So now we're playing football in skiing season. THAT was not the intention of the founding fathers.
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
snowing in buffalo doesnt seem to dampen the enthusiasm of the crowd so ya fuck a dome
Zombo simple question for you what if they don't go for the "faggety dome" but instead go for a "Cleveland Regional Retractable Open Air BROWNS Stadium " ? (which happens to be my favorite choice)
You're our Naples "TBB Real Estate Guy" what would be ideally be best for our Cleveland Regional BROWNS Football Team ? A. The current open air football stadium. B. A new Retractable Football stadium. or C. A new domed football stadium.
★ And this question is also open to everyone here to give their opinions on. Thanks, mjp.
I'm torn, as I love the elements, yet wimped out recently on the Saints game Christmas Eve and didn't go...1st time ever I stayed home due to the weather (season ticket holder since 1979).
I really don't think the taxpayers of NE Ohio are going to approve of another new stadium, if it is up to a vote. Especially if it's narrowed to Cuyahoga County like the last time.
I wrote this somewhere earlier, don't remember what thread, but Cuyahoga County residents paid the "sin tax" on the Gateway project & Browns stadium, the other 87 counties paid nothing. That was stupid.
I'd only vote for it if it was a retractable dome, and the surrounding 6 or 7 counties chipped in. If it's not a retractable dome, then build a new outdoor stadium elsewhere in Cuyahoga County and develop the lakefront.
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@mjp28 said:
9 -9 Q3, 3 minutes left, I thought when Dallas' Pollard went out it would open it up for SF (-3.5) in this one ..... a lot.
We'll see what happens now.
Wrong thread, but considering how idiotic this one has gotten, I'm kind of glad ?
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@mjp28 said:
9 -9 Q3, 3 minutes left, I thought when Dallas' Pollard went out it would open it up for SF (-3.5) in this one ..... a lot.
We'll see what happens now.
Wrong thread, but considering how idiotic this one has gotten, I'm kind of glad ?
Wrong thread, but considering how idiotic this one has gotten, I'm kind of glad ?
Actually I deleted it and moved it over there ..... if anybody was actually watching. - Harry Doyle
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Zombo said:
us "Zombos" are just ridiculous old people with biases who opinions don't matter?
No, no, no.....I'm not going to argue with that.
...and I'm probably older than you.
This fall I took my two grandboys (6 & 8 at the time) to watch the local college football team. It was a beautiful sunny day. We had a great time. All the kids got to 'run the field' at halftime. Was great. The beautiful outdoors. But if it was raining, the two boys would not have wanted to go. Ya know why? Because, at that age, their smart enough to know that you don't hang around outside in the rain if you don't absolutely have to. They'll no doubt outgrow that intelligence at some point.
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
Zombo said:
us "Zombos" are just ridiculous old people with biases who opinions don't matter?
No, no, no.....I'm not going to argue with that.
...and I'm probably older than you.
This fall I took my two grandboys (6 & 8 at the time) to watch the local college football team. It was a beautiful sunny day. We had a great time. All the kids got to 'run the field' at halftime. Was great. The beautiful outdoors. But if it was raining, the two boys would not have wanted to go. Ya know why? Because, at that age, their smart enough to know that you don't hang around outside in the rain if you don't absolutely have to. They'll no doubt outgrow that intelligence at some point.
No, no, no.....I'm not going to argue with that.
...and I'm probably older than you.
This fall I took my two grandboys (6 & 8 at the time) to watch the local college football team. It was a beautiful sunny day. We had a great time. All the kids got to 'run the field' at halftime. Was great. The beautiful outdoors. But if it was raining, the two boys would not have wanted to go. Ya know why? Because, at that age, their smart enough to know that you don't hang around outside in the rain if you don't absolutely have to. They'll no doubt outgrow that intelligence at some point.
AND I'm probably older than both of you kids.
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Zombo said:
us "Zombos" are just ridiculous old people with biases who opinions don't matter?
No, no, no.....I'm not going to argue with that.
...and I'm probably older than you.
This fall I took my two grandboys (6 & 8 at the time) to watch the local college football team. It was a beautiful sunny day. We had a great time. All the kids got to 'run the field' at halftime. Was great. The beautiful outdoors. But if it was raining, the two boys would not have wanted to go. Ya know why? Because, at that age, their smart enough to know that you don't hang around outside in the rain if you don't absolutely have to. They'll no doubt outgrow that intelligence at some point.
No, no, no.....I'm not going to argue with that.
...and I'm probably older than you.
This fall I took my two grandboys (6 & 8 at the time) to watch the local college football team. It was a beautiful sunny day. We had a great time. All the kids got to 'run the field' at halftime. Was great. The beautiful outdoors. But if it was raining, the two boys would not have wanted to go. Ya know why? Because, at that age, their smart enough to know that you don't hang around outside in the rain if you don't absolutely have to. They'll no doubt outgrow that intelligence at some point.
We don't have any grandkids but all of our 8 neices and nephews are about 50 now (+/- a few years). And some of their kids are 21+ and have their own kids. Eh ?
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Zombo simple question for you
He's not going to give the correct answer. He's biased.
Orion, I bet you never thought that this topic would go 154+ replies and 2,100+ views ?
That's correct. I thought there would be a huge consensus of traditionalists that would shut down the idea immediately. Like tons of Zombos. So I'm pleasantly surprised that there are more of us roof supporters out there than I thought.
People forget that the NFL season always ended before the end of the year. Football wasn't played in January or February. Now they've got so many teams and keep adding games (you KNOW they'll be going to 18 games right? They are NOT staying at odd number 17). So now we're playing football in skiing season. THAT was not the intention of the founding fathers.
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Notice the sports being played. Indoors and snow. Championships were held before the end of the year. That's how the football league was designed. We're now playing in skiing season.
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