2023 Browns NFL Draft Prospects
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Watching some all-22 from the Eagles defense against the Pats in the Super bowl. Noticing some themes.
- Similarities in alignment with of the edge players between Woods and Schwartz. The ends get WIDE. 7 and 9 spots then scream off the edge.
- Base Over calls for the most part - 3tech to TE or called strength.
Biggest Differences - LB size and downhill trigger. Then I went back 10 years.
Lions - Stephen Tulloch 6'0, 245lbs.
Bills - Preston Brown 6'1, 250lbs
Eagles - Nigel Bradham (brought over from BUF) 6'2 241lbs
Eagles - Jordan Hicks, 6'1 238lbs.
This man doesn't abide by small, 210lb backers. He wants to invite running between the tackles and then meet your invitation with downhill size and aggressiveness from the LB's. Only starter on the Browns roster that even sniffed 240lbs was Taki. What are the chances he ends up getting the green dot in the off-season? If not, I can see the Browns looking at late(r) round LB's. Although I do see his flexibility with a player like Malcolm Jenkins as a dime backer. I wonder if Young JOK could ever be disciplined enough in coverage to fill that type of roll?
Add LB's to the list of positions this team and the front office will be taking long looks at. Especially consider the starting MIKE backers under Schwartz have all been 3rd round picks or later. (Only one in the top 75)
Biggest Differences - LB size and downhill trigger. Then I went back 10 years.
Lions - Stephen Tulloch 6'0, 245lbs.
Add LB's to the list of positions this team and the front office will be taking long looks at. Especially consider the starting MIKE backers under Schwartz have all been 3rd round picks or later. (Only one in the top 75)
What's your opinion on another former 3rd round pick ?
Possible Lions FA? Alex Anzalone/age 28 .. I just love the guys motor/effort since with the Saints. more so, Alex may fit our tight cap budget?
He's played some Mike at 6'3" 235-240lbs. is what I've seen.. Is Anzalone a better option than Taki/Walker in your opinion?
thanks..peek back in after work.. (I'm thinking.. Dan Campbell will pound the table to keep his type of craz'ed ball hawk)
EDIT-- Dudes, I'll be on a long tape delay on combine work-outs.. I'm only 4 days into a 2 week material count at work to start a new pay plan ?(timing sucks).. My Boss/count'ee (prick) is a Egotistical, Power & Control freak...It's not going well, to my hand counts ! I'm turning age 60 the day the Browns go on the clock.. At age 62.. I will retire from these freaks at midnight of my birthday
Enjoy ! Go Browns ! ( get it right ! )
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looks like a deep draft.
Jherzson Newton DT Illinois. Don’t see him on the list he’s worth a look.
Keaton Mitchell/// RB I’d snag either if they are there in the 6th.
It should be interesting to see what DT's gets to us.. Rotational & fair depth maybe all that's left? Gotta grab a FA too/imo
I'm part of a group, that can walk to ECU games.. I've seen you mention Keaton Mitchell before..
Key should show some good quick's of another Pirate RB named Chris Johnson at times.. Key's field vision is excellent in a RPO offense.. He's gotta learn.. ball security will get him benched in the NFL.. I'll follow Key wherever he ends up.. big fan !
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Biggest Differences - LB size and downhill trigger. Then I went back 10 years.
Lions - Stephen Tulloch 6'0, 245lbs.
Add LB's to the list of positions this team and the front office will be taking long looks at. Especially consider the starting MIKE backers under Schwartz have all been 3rd round picks or later. (Only one in the top 75)
What's your opinion on another former 3rd round pick ?
Possible Lions FA? Alex Anzalone/age 28 .. I just love the guys motor/effort since with the Saints. more so, Alex may fit our tight cap budget?
He's played some Mike at 6'3" 235-240lbs. is what I've seen.. Is Anzalone a better option than Taki/Walker in your opinion?
thanks..peek back in after work.. (I'm thinking.. Dan Campbell will pound the table to keep his type of craz'ed ball hawk)
EDIT-- Dudes, I'll be on a long tape delay on combine work-outs.. I'm only 4 days into a 2 week material count at work to start a new pay plan ?(timing sucks).. My Boss/count'ee (prick) is a Egotistical, Power & Control freak...It's not going well, to my hand counts ! I'm turning age 60 the day the Browns go on the clock.. At age 62.. I will retire from these freaks at midnight of my birthday
Enjoy ! Go Browns ! ( get it right ! )
My Boss/count'ee (prick) is a Egotistical, Power & Control freak...It's not going well, to my hand counts ! I'm turning age 60 the day the Browns go on the clock.. At age 62.. I will retire from these freaks at midnight of my birthday
Enjoy ! Go Browns ! ( get it right ! )
I had one of those with the plan to retire on my 62nd, but I just could not stand it any longer and had enough time and lots of IRAs set aside so out I went out on my 61st. Best mental health decision I ever made.?
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Biggest Differences - LB size and downhill trigger. Then I went back 10 years.
Lions - Stephen Tulloch 6'0, 245lbs.
Add LB's to the list of positions this team and the front office will be taking long looks at. Especially consider the starting MIKE backers under Schwartz have all been 3rd round picks or later. (Only one in the top 75)
What's your opinion on another former 3rd round pick ?
Possible Lions FA? Alex Anzalone/age 28 .. I just love the guys motor/effort since with the Saints. more so, Alex may fit our tight cap budget?
He's played some Mike at 6'3" 235-240lbs. is what I've seen.. Is Anzalone a better option than Taki/Walker in your opinion?
thanks..peek back in after work.. (I'm thinking.. Dan Campbell will pound the table to keep his type of craz'ed ball hawk)
EDIT-- Dudes, I'll be on a long tape delay on combine work-outs.. I'm only 4 days into a 2 week material count at work to start a new pay plan ?(timing sucks).. My Boss/count'ee (prick) is a Egotistical, Power & Control freak...It's not going well, to my hand counts ! I'm turning age 60 the day the Browns go on the clock.. At age 62.. I will retire from these freaks at midnight of my birthday
Enjoy ! Go Browns ! ( get it right ! )
What's your opinion on another former 3rd round pick ?
Possible Lions FA? Alex Anzalone/age 28 .. I just love the guys motor/effort since with the Saints. more so, Alex may fit our tight cap budget?
He's played some Mike at 6'3" 235-240lbs. is what I've seen.. Is Anzalone a better option than Taki/Walker in your opinion?
Like you said, motor and effort. He seemed to have (by his standards at least) a pretty good season in Detroit.
His name, along with a few others like Denzel Perryman, Dylan Cole, and Zach Cunningham are on my free agent watch list.
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Watching some all-22 from the Eagles defense against the Pats in the Super bowl. Noticing some themes.
- Similarities in alignment with of the edge players between Woods and Schwartz. The ends get WIDE. 7 and 9 spots then scream off the edge.
- Base Over calls for the most part - 3tech to TE or called strength.
Biggest Differences - LB size and downhill trigger. Then I went back 10 years.
Lions - Stephen Tulloch 6'0, 245lbs.
Bills - Preston Brown 6'1, 250lbs
Eagles - Nigel Bradham (brought over from BUF) 6'2 241lbs
Eagles - Jordan Hicks, 6'1 238lbs.
This man doesn't abide by small, 210lb backers. He wants to invite running between the tackles and then meet your invitation with downhill size and aggressiveness from the LB's. Only starter on the Browns roster that even sniffed 240lbs was Taki. What are the chances he ends up getting the green dot in the off-season? If not, I can see the Browns looking at late(r) round LB's. Although I do see his flexibility with a player like Malcolm Jenkins as a dime backer. I wonder if Young JOK could ever be disciplined enough in coverage to fill that type of roll?
Add LB's to the list of positions this team and the front office will be taking long looks at. Especially consider the starting MIKE backers under Schwartz have all been 3rd round picks or later. (Only one in the top 75)
Watching some all-22 from the Eagles defense against the Pats in the Super bowl. Noticing some themes.
- Similarities in alignment with of the edge players between Woods and Schwartz. The ends get WIDE. 7 and 9 spots then scream off the edge.
- Base Over calls for the most part - 3tech to TE or called strength.
Biggest Differences - LB size and downhill trigger. Then I went back 10 years.
Lions - Stephen Tulloch 6'0, 245lbs.
Bills - Preston Brown 6'1, 250lbs
Eagles - Nigel Bradham (brought over from BUF) 6'2 241lbs
Eagles - Jordan Hicks, 6'1 238lbs.
This man doesn't abide by small, 210lb backers. He wants to invite running between the tackles and then meet your invitation with downhill size and aggressiveness from the LB's. Only starter on the Browns roster that even sniffed 240lbs was Taki. What are the chances he ends up getting the green dot in the off-season? If not, I can see the Browns looking at late(r) round LB's. Although I do see his flexibility with a player like Malcolm Jenkins as a dime backer. I wonder if Young JOK could ever be disciplined enough in coverage to fill that type of roll?
Add LB's to the list of positions this team and the front office will be taking long looks at. Especially consider the starting MIKE backers under Schwartz have all been 3rd round picks or later. (Only one in the top 75)
I agree. I also agree with Tex"s post about drafting a runningback.
I am just trying to figure out the strategy we are going to take. I have a feeling that on D we are probably going to look for a Vet or two. I am not sure they are going to want to trust the defensive turnaround with 2-3 rookies needing to step in and step up. Rookie runningbacks and receivers can step in and make some impact. In the past it was the feeling that rookie WR's had a huge learning curve when moving in to the pro's. I think the college passing game has transformed a great deal over the last 5 or so years and that is no longer the case.
That doesn't mean we aren't going to draft any rookie defenders. I just see it as if it was you can fix one side of the ball or the other, the choice would be the D.
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Watching some all-22 from the Eagles defense against the Pats in the Super bowl. Noticing some themes.
- Similarities in alignment with of the edge players between Woods and Schwartz. The ends get WIDE. 7 and 9 spots then scream off the edge.
- Base Over calls for the most part - 3tech to TE or called strength.
Biggest Differences - LB size and downhill trigger. Then I went back 10 years.
Lions - Stephen Tulloch 6'0, 245lbs.
Bills - Preston Brown 6'1, 250lbs
Eagles - Nigel Bradham (brought over from BUF) 6'2 241lbs
Eagles - Jordan Hicks, 6'1 238lbs.
This man doesn't abide by small, 210lb backers. He wants to invite running between the tackles and then meet your invitation with downhill size and aggressiveness from the LB's. Only starter on the Browns roster that even sniffed 240lbs was Taki. What are the chances he ends up getting the green dot in the off-season? If not, I can see the Browns looking at late(r) round LB's. Although I do see his flexibility with a player like Malcolm Jenkins as a dime backer. I wonder if Young JOK could ever be disciplined enough in coverage to fill that type of roll?
Add LB's to the list of positions this team and the front office will be taking long looks at. Especially consider the starting MIKE backers under Schwartz have all been 3rd round picks or later. (Only one in the top 75)
I agree. I also agree with Tex"s post about drafting a runningback.
I am just trying to figure out the strategy we are going to take. I have a feeling that on D we are probably going to look for a Vet or two. I am not sure they are going to want to trust the defensive turnaround with 2-3 rookies needing to step in and step up. Rookie runningbacks and receivers can step in and make some impact. In the past it was the feeling that rookie WR's had a huge learning curve when moving in to the pro's. I think the college passing game has transformed a great deal over the last 5 or so years and that is no longer the case.
That doesn't mean we aren't going to draft any rookie defenders. I just see it as if it was you can fix one side of the ball or the other, the choice would be the D.
I agree. I also agree with Tex"s post about drafting a runningback.
I am just trying to figure out the strategy we are going to take. I have a feeling that on D we are probably going to look for a Vet or two. I am not sure they are going to want to trust the defensive turnaround with 2-3 rookies needing to step in and step up. Rookie runningbacks and receivers can step in and make some impact. In the past it was the feeling that rookie WR's had a huge learning curve when moving in to the pro's. I think the college passing game has transformed a great deal over the last 5 or so years and that is no longer the case.
That doesn't mean we aren't going to draft any rookie defenders. I just see it as if it was you can fix one side of the ball or the other, the choice would be the D.
I would be shocked if a couple vets aren't brought in. I fully expect to see just that.
We have the makings of another great RB room even without Hunt. I personally would love to get D'Earnest Johnson inked to a 2 year deal (cheap) and let him serve as the #2. He's good in the screen game, a willing blocker, and knows this offensive system inside and out. He would be a 1000 yard back with the opportunity. As this offense shifts towards a QB centered group, I see no reason to invest draft capital at any point on a position group that is lock-solid for us. Especially when you consider every pick becomes that much more meaningful without a couple years worth of 1st rounders. Finding late round DBs you can coach up is the bread and butter of the Patriots for years now, I'd like to see Cleveland try a similar approach by refining their focus on the defensive and offensive lines.
As for receivers, I have a bit of hope for Bell. There are times his game almost reminds me of Robert Meachum (minus the top end speed). And there were a couple catches that standout to me which highlights his possible role in this offense - the slot fade against ATL where he used his length and strength to just big man the DB; and then the deep over bullet he caught from Jacoby against... I want to say against Chicago? that showed his football and coverage I.Q. on the route adjustment.
I believe he could be a 60ish target, 40-45 catch type WR that hovers around that 600 yard mark but routinely moves chains because of his ability to play all over.
Of course, I do have an eye on A.T. Perry out of Wake Forrest though....
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I agree on Bell. I haven't given up on him. He has what too many of our receives haven't had in the past...hands.
He may not be able to create separation with speed, but I think in quick hitting routes he could be tremendous. I don't think the numbers you post are out of reach. It could even be higher if Watson decides to throw his way.
I know we signed Musgrave, and he is a WCO guy. I am wondering if we hired him as Sr, asst to bring a little of that look to the O.
As for DJ...I love the kid. I think the problem he faces here is he is too much like Chubb and plays a similar role. I am not as sold as you on his receiving prowess. I am not even sure if Ford brings that....maybe he does?? That is why I could see us drafting a back..one who could catch 70 balls a year if used.
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Georgia's Edge/LB Nolan Smith is killing the combine with 4.39 40, 1.52 10 yd split, 41.5 vertical, 10'8" broad jump. That 40 was faster than Hopkins, McCaffrey, Barkley and Stephon Diggs. And he may be right there as BPA in the 2nd when the Browns pick. 6'2 1/4" 239 lbs. Former 5***** and top overall HS player in the country like Garrett. His stats at Georgia reflect the massive time sharing that Georgia does in their DL/LB crews.
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I agree on Bell. I haven't given up on him. He has what too many of our receives haven't had in the past...hands.
He may not be able to create separation with speed, but I think in quick hitting routes he could be tremendous. I don't think the numbers you post are out of reach. It could even be higher if Watson decides to throw his way.
I know we signed Musgrave, and he is a WCO guy. I am wondering if we hired him as Sr, asst to bring a little of that look to the O.
As for DJ...I love the kid. I think the problem he faces here is he is too much like Chubb and plays a similar role. I am not as sold as you on his receiving prowess. I am not even sure if Ford brings that....maybe he does?? That is why I could see us drafting a back..one who could catch 70 balls a year if used.
I agree on Bell. I haven't given up on him. He has what too many of our receives haven't had in the past...hands.
He may not be able to create separation with speed, but I think in quick hitting routes he could be tremendous. I don't think the numbers you post are out of reach. It could even be higher if Watson decides to throw his way.
I know we signed Musgrave, and he is a WCO guy. I am wondering if we hired him as Sr, asst to bring a little of that look to the O.
As for DJ...I love the kid. I think the problem he faces here is he is too much like Chubb and plays a similar role. I am not as sold as you on his receiving prowess. I am not even sure if Ford brings that....maybe he does?? That is why I could see us drafting a back..one who could catch 70 balls a year if used.
- Re: 'WCO'. The big advent of those timing offenses is generally the 3 and 5 step drop game (well, traditionally speaking) working the shallow, intermediate and horizontal passing stretch. I'm vocal in my belief that Stefanski is deficient in these designs from time to time. Granted, in his offense the shots are more vertical in nature, and I get that. But as we transition to a gun, vertical zone based team, he's going to need someone like Musgrave to help really improve the route combinations that work to build YAC and break man coverage without having to go downfield. This past seasons Chiefs squad is a good example. So if Stef was on board and proactive in bringing Musgrave in, it speaks to his self awareness and assessment of the direction the offense needs to take AND improve on.
As for DJ, I'm not saying the kid is going to line up and run HBC like he's Run CmC is something. But I do believe everything we throw at Chubb and Hunt in the screen game he is more than capable of also doing himself, that's all.
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DL/LB day 1, overall's got my attention ?
Nolan Smith/Owen Pappoe/Byron Young(Tenn.)/Dorian Williams/A.Adebawore/Derick Hall/D. Overshown/Van Ness/Jack Campbell/Bryan Bresee/Keeanu Benton
What the heck do teams do with a freak like Calijah Kancey.. Stud got to 6'1 281 lbs. but is built to play a 3-4 NFL edge.. C. Kancy ain't getting to pick 32.. Teams can forget pick 40 anything..
Happy Friday gents ! Enjoy Day 2
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Kinda wish Berry would quit his age guardrails way of thinking, when it comes down to deciding on a few draft players.. here's the latest update.. Pre-Combine (Thanks Jack Duffy)
Green - Ideal Fit
Yellow - Okay Fit
Red - Unlikely Fit
Grey - No Age Data Available
I wouldn't even count out trading a multi rounded (4th/5th) Browns pick..to trade for a player with some upside (did with rams to get Troy Hill)
A possible positions chart we may target.. Deaton might be that backup C or G ?
way to early, and
GRANT SR., JAKEEM U/Chi has a accepted a new deal ENJOY your Combine viewing ! ? starts today 3:00 pm
Kinda wish Berry would quit his age guardrails way of thinking, when it comes down to deciding on a few draft players.. here's the latest update.. Pre-Combine (Thanks Jack Duffy)
Green - Ideal Fit
Yellow - Okay Fit
Red - Unlikely Fit
Grey - No Age Data Available
That is a good show of a horizontal board where players are stacked by position. Teams also have vertical boards where players are stacked from the best player on down no matter the position. That way they can cross check positional value with overall value.
You can't go in to the draft just referencing positional value. As you can see in this example, there are 26 players with 1st round grades, at least according to this example. If you are picking 27th, you need to know who's the 27th best player on the vertical list so you can make the best decision possible. If the position you really want is rated close enough to that 27th player, then you might draft for position. If there is a pretty big gap then you probably shouldn't.
On the horizontal list Torrence (G) might be the best guard in the draft but on the vert list he might be the 70th best player.
Whew...I hope that makes some sense. That is how teams try to balance positional value with overall value when making decisions and explains how teams make picks that sometimes don't make any sense.
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Kinda wish Berry would quit his age guardrails way of thinking, when it comes down to deciding on a few draft players.. here's the latest update.. Pre-Combine (Thanks Jack Duffy)
Green - Ideal Fit
Yellow - Okay Fit
Red - Unlikely Fit
Grey - No Age Data Available
I wouldn't even count out trading a multi rounded (4th/5th) Browns pick..to trade for a player with some upside (did with rams to get Troy Hill)
A possible positions chart we may target.. Deaton might be that backup C or G ?
way to early, and
GRANT SR., JAKEEM U/Chi has a accepted a new deal ENJOY your Combine viewing ! ? starts today 3:00 pm
Kinda wish Berry would quit his age guardrails way of thinking, when it comes down to deciding on a few draft players.. here's the latest update.. Pre-Combine (Thanks Jack Duffy)
Green - Ideal Fit
Yellow - Okay Fit
Red - Unlikely Fit
Grey - No Age Data Available
That is a good show of a horizontal board where players are stacked by position. Teams also have vertical boards where players are stacked from the best player on down no matter the position. That way they can cross check positional value with overall value.
You can't go in to the draft just referencing positional value. As you can see in this example, there are 26 players with 1st round grades, at least according to this example. If you are picking 27th, you need to know who's the 27th best player on the vertical list so you can make the best decision possible. If the position you really want is rated close enough to that 27th player, then you might draft for position. If there is a pretty big gap then you probably shouldn't.
On the horizontal list Torrence (G) might be the best guard in the draft but on the vert list he might be the 70th best player.
Whew...I hope that makes some sense. That is how teams try to balance positional value with overall value when making decisions and explains how teams make picks that sometimes don't seem to make any sense.
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Kinda wish Berry would quit his age guardrails way of thinking, when it comes down to deciding on a few draft players.. here's the latest update.. Pre-Combine (Thanks Jack Duffy)
Green - Ideal Fit
Yellow - Okay Fit
Red - Unlikely Fit
Grey - No Age Data Available
I wouldn't even count out trading a multi rounded (4th/5th) Browns pick..to trade for a player with some upside (did with rams to get Troy Hill)
A possible positions chart we may target.. Deaton might be that backup C or G ?
way to early, and
GRANT SR., JAKEEM U/Chi has a accepted a new deal ENJOY your Combine viewing ! ? starts today 3:00 pm
Kinda wish Berry would quit his age guardrails way of thinking, when it comes down to deciding on a few draft players.. here's the latest update.. Pre-Combine (Thanks Jack Duffy)
Green - Ideal Fit
Yellow - Okay Fit
Red - Unlikely Fit
Grey - No Age Data Available
That is a good show of a horizontal board where players are stacked by position. Teams also have vertical boards where players are stacked from the best player on down no matter the position. That way they can cross check positional value with overall value.
You can't go in to the draft just referencing positional value. As you can see in this example, there are 26 players with 1st round grades, at least according to this example. If you are picking 27th, you need to know who's the 27th best player on the vertical list so you can make the best decision possible. If the position you really want is rated close enough to that 27th player, then you might draft for position. If there is a pretty big gap then you probably shouldn't.
On the horizontal list Torrence (G) might be the best guard in the draft but on the vert list he might be the 70th best player.
Whew...I hope that makes some sense. That is how teams try to balance positional value with overall value when making decisions and explains how teams make picks that sometimes don't seem to make any sense.
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I get it Peen.. I'd like to talk to the guy in charge of
Of paying a young street FA minimum// vs watching drafted receivers drop balls...
carry on to day 2.. The Tracker https://www.nfl.com/combine/tracker/live-results/40-yard-dash/all-positions/all-colleges/
DL/LB/DB's*.. 40's & 3 cones that still include some Day 1's in top 11.. 4.45's is still moving..Cone's under 7.11's are some loose/not stiff movers either..
Let's see who can out track some DB's, in this wide open WR class ? TE's class looks to have some nice depth options too
Enjoy!
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Georgia's Edge/LB Nolan Smith is killing the combine with 4.39 40, 1.52 10 yd split, 41.5 vertical, 10'8" broad jump. That 40 was faster than Hopkins, McCaffrey, Barkley and Stephon Diggs. And he may be right there as BPA in the 2nd when the Browns pick. 6'2 1/4" 239 lbs. Former 5***** and top overall HS player in the country like Garrett. His stats at Georgia reflect the massive time sharing that Georgia does in their DL/LB crews.
Georgia's Edge/LB Nolan Smith is killing the combine with 4.39 40, 1.52 10 yd split, 41.5 vertical, 10'8" broad jump. That 40 was faster than Hopkins, McCaffrey, Barkley and Stephon Diggs. And he may be right there as BPA in the 2nd when the Browns pick. 6'2 1/4" 239 lbs. Former 5***** and top overall HS player in the country like Garrett. His stats at Georgia reflect the massive time sharing that Georgia does in their DL/LB crews.
Hell of an athlete. Kid put up Ryan Shazier/Micah Parsons numbers.
A concern though - when we wasn't being used as an edge rusher, why did the Georgia staff take so long to get him involved as an off-ball LB? Didn't see a single snap until the 5th game. And just like Von Miller or Micah, at that size, they played a couple different roles to maximize their on-field time and value. Need to watch more of the 2022 season to see how that might progress, but trying to project a 6'2, 240lb edge in this defense year 1 with little other developed roles is... not easy.
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Local kid from Norton grew up as Browns fan, would love to get drafted by Browns, fits a need.
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Georgia's Edge/LB Nolan Smith is killing the combine with 4.39 40, 1.52 10 yd split, 41.5 vertical, 10'8" broad jump. That 40 was faster than Hopkins, McCaffrey, Barkley and Stephon Diggs. And he may be right there as BPA in the 2nd when the Browns pick. 6'2 1/4" 239 lbs. Former 5***** and top overall HS player in the country like Garrett. His stats at Georgia reflect the massive time sharing that Georgia does in their DL/LB crews.
Hell of an athlete. Kid put up Ryan Shazier/Micah Parsons numbers.
A concern though - when we wasn't being used as an edge rusher, why did the Georgia staff take so long to get him involved as an off-ball LB? Didn't see a single snap until the 5th game. And just like Von Miller or Micah, at that size, they played a couple different roles to maximize their on-field time and value. Need to watch more of the 2022 season to see how that might progress, but trying to project a 6'2, 240lb edge in this defense year 1 with little other developed roles is... not easy.
Hell of an athlete. Kid put up Ryan Shazier/Micah Parsons numbers.
A concern though - when we wasn't being used as an edge rusher, why did the Georgia staff take so long to get him involved as an off-ball LB? Didn't see a single snap until the 5th game. And just like Von Miller or Micah, at that size, they played a couple different roles to maximize their on-field time and value. Need to watch more of the 2022 season to see how that might progress, but trying to project a 6'2, 240lb edge in this defense year 1 with little other developed roles is... not easy.
I was pretty much thinking LB kind of role with that kind of athleticism and speed. And like Parsons he can be used to shoot gaps and get to QBs or RBs deep in the backfield. You find a way to use these guys, not plug some mythical spot in a preconceived defensive scheme. Build a scheme around the talent. Find a way to combine him with our other front 7 unique talent in Garrett. But it's a pipe dream. Unless we trade up he's long gone by our first pick in the 2nd. Too many good defensive minds see what he offers.
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Hell of an athlete. Kid put up Ryan Shazier/Micah Parsons numbers.
A concern though - when we wasn't being used as an edge rusher, why did the Georgia staff take so long to get him involved as an off-ball LB? Didn't see a single snap until the 5th game. And just like Von Miller or Micah, at that size, they played a couple different roles to maximize their on-field time and value. Need to watch more of the 2022 season to see how that might progress, but trying to project a 6'2, 240lb edge in this defense year 1 with little other developed roles is... not easy.
I was pretty much thinking LB kind of role with that kind of athleticism and speed. And like Parsons he can be used to shoot gaps and get to QBs or RBs deep in the backfield. You find a way to use these guys, not plug some mythical spot in a preconceived defensive scheme. Build a scheme around the talent. Find a way to combine him with our other front 7 unique talent in Garrett. But it's a pipe dream. Unless we trade up he's long gone by our first pick in the 2nd. Too many good defensive minds see what he offers.
I was pretty much thinking LB kind of role with that kind of athleticism and speed. And like Parsons he can be used to shoot gaps and get to QBs or RBs deep in the backfield. You find a way to use these guys, not plug some mythical spot in a preconceived defensive scheme. Build a scheme around the talent. Find a way to combine him with our other front 7 unique talent in Garrett. But it's a pipe dream. Unless we trade up he's long gone by our first pick in the 2nd. Too many good defensive minds see what he offers.
It's not preconceived or "mythical".
At his size, especially if he lacks the playing time, development/skills as an off-ball linebacker (generally making him a liability) that means he's strictly a DPR. Where he can possibly grow into an expanded role in year 2 and 3. The problem, is that you're now drafting him almost purely on athletic ability and hoping to install a ground level understanding of another role, while already being at the NFL level. Generally that doesn't work out, especially when you consider we have another great athlete around 6'1 220ishlbs already playing the WILL backer spot in Young JOK.
Opinion subject to change depending on what shows up down the season in film. But the Von, Shazier and Micah names I dropped weren't JUST for their measurables. They all played multiple roles in their respective defenses well before making it pro.
Right now he would come in and essentially be kiki Mingo. Minus the wingspan.
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I was pretty much thinking LB kind of role with that kind of athleticism and speed. And like Parsons he can be used to shoot gaps and get to QBs or RBs deep in the backfield. You find a way to use these guys, not plug some mythical spot in a preconceived defensive scheme. Build a scheme around the talent. Find a way to combine him with our other front 7 unique talent in Garrett. But it's a pipe dream. Unless we trade up he's long gone by our first pick in the 2nd. Too many good defensive minds see what he offers.
It's not preconceived or "mythical".
At his size, especially if he lacks the playing time, development/skills as an off-ball linebacker (generally making him a liability) that means he's strictly a DPR. Where he can possibly grow into an expanded role in year 2 and 3. The problem, is that you're now drafting him almost purely on athletic ability and hoping to install a ground level understanding of another role, while already being at the NFL level. Generally that doesn't work out, especially when you consider we have another great athlete around 6'1 220ishlbs already playing the WILL backer spot in Young JOK.
Opinion subject to change depending on what shows up down the season in film. But the Von, Shazier and Micah names I dropped weren't JUST for their measurables. They all played multiple roles in their respective defenses well before making it pro.
Right now he would come in and essentially be kiki Mingo. Minus the wingspan.
Right now he would come in and essentially be kiki Mingo. Minus the wingspan.
Oh dog, please not that guy again.
Mingo had a long career as a backup/depth guy/special teams player, and seemed to be a good guy so I'll give him that, but that was not a good pick from the Browns. Wasn't a great draft if I recall either.
Pete Smith, who somehow now writes for SI, was on the message board I was on before this one. That dude looooooooooved Mingo, and no matter how absolutely mediocre he was for the Browns, would have died on the proverbial hill for him. When someone posts a Pete Smith article on here, I chuckle and think about his never-ending love for Bakevious. ?
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Local kid from Norton grew up as Browns fan, would love to get drafted by Browns, fits a need.
Local kid from Norton grew up as Browns fan, would love to get drafted by Browns, fits a need.
"A concern of Scott’s game is his drops. According to Pro Football Focus, Scott had a drop rate of 11.3%"
As much as I love the story of a local kid, that's damn near going to scratch him immediately off my list. Seen too many receivers with questionable hands come through. And my cut-off is about that 9% mark, volume dependent.
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