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  • Browns Sign LB Matthew Adams

    The Cleveland Browns announced they had signed linebacker Matthew Adams, though most of his contribution would likely be on special teams.
  • Browns have seemingly targeted depth guys who are good special teams players. 

    I wonder if there is any interest in bringing back LB Anthony Walker, or maybe that ship has sailed with a new DC. He might want a more physical presence. 

  • Browns have seemingly targeted depth guys who are good special teams players. 

    I wonder if there is any interest in bringing back LB Anthony Walker, or maybe that ship has sailed with a new DC. He might want a more physical presence. 

    @dutch-oven said:

    I wonder if there is any interest in bringing back LB Anthony Walker, or maybe that ship has sailed with a new DC

    I think I read somewhere that there is interest in bringing him back but he wanted to test the waters.  

  • @dutch-oven said:

    I wonder if there is any interest in bringing back LB Anthony Walker, or maybe that ship has sailed with a new DC

    I think I read somewhere that there is interest in bringing him back but he wanted to test the waters.  

    @orion said:

    I think I read somewhere that there is interest in bringing him back but he wanted to test the waters.  

    Why not?  As a lawyer I would always advise my client to test the water.

    It would be stupid and dereliction of duty to do otherwise.  If you are hired to find the best deal, you are bound to do such and advise.  Then the player makes the decision based on other reasons.  Then you move from there.

    Agents catch a lot of crap for doing their job.

  • @orion said:

    I think I read somewhere that there is interest in bringing him back but he wanted to test the waters.  

    Why not?  As a lawyer I would always advise my client to test the water.

    It would be stupid and dereliction of duty to do otherwise.  If you are hired to find the best deal, you are bound to do such and advise.  Then the player makes the decision based on other reasons.  Then you move from there.

    Agents catch a lot of crap for doing their job.

    @ballpeen said:

    Why not?  As a lawyer I would always advise my client to test the water.

    Wait, you are/were a lawyer?

    I always thought I got Gipper vibes off you, this explains it! ?

  • @vambo said:

    Browns bring back backup QB Josh Dobbs on one-year deal

    Cory Kinnan
    Mon, Mar 20, 2023, 7:28 PM EDT1 min read

    Back-up?

    Two words: START DOBBS

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    @korsou-dawg said:

    Back-up?

    Two words: START DOBBS

    No one's going to answer the Start Dobbs 'warcry'? Not even @dutch-oven or @tiamat63 ? Sadge.

    On topic: apparently we are pursuing Jerry Jeudy, but the asking price of Newsome + our 2nd rounder is rightfully considered too steep. That said, Newsome was unhappy last season, and arguably surpassed by Emerson. And drafting a receiver like Jeudy will be a challenge, even with our 2nd rounder.

    https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2023/3/21/23650864/nfl-trade-rumors-jerry-jeudy-browns-broncos

    I think I would take the deal at Newsome +4th. Possibly even +3rd. Would ignite the offense, and also allow us to acquire a more specific nickel, since we have starters on the outside already.  

  • @korsou-dawg said:

    Back-up?

    Two words: START DOBBS

    No one's going to answer the Start Dobbs 'warcry'? Not even @dutch-oven or @tiamat63 ? Sadge.

    On topic: apparently we are pursuing Jerry Jeudy, but the asking price of Newsome + our 2nd rounder is rightfully considered too steep. That said, Newsome was unhappy last season, and arguably surpassed by Emerson. And drafting a receiver like Jeudy will be a challenge, even with our 2nd rounder.

    https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2023/3/21/23650864/nfl-trade-rumors-jerry-jeudy-browns-broncos

    I think I would take the deal at Newsome +4th. Possibly even +3rd. Would ignite the offense, and also allow us to acquire a more specific nickel, since we have starters on the outside already.  

    @korsou-dawg said:

    No one's going to answer the Start Dobbs 'warcry'? Not even @dutch-oven or @tiamat63 ? Sadge.

    On topic: apparently we are pursuing Jerry Jeudy, but the asking price of Newsome + our 2nd rounder is rightfully considered too steep. That said, Newsome was unhappy last season, and arguably surpassed by Emerson. And drafting a receiver like Jeudy will be a challenge, even with our 2nd rounder.

    https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2023/3/21/23650864/nfl-trade-rumors-jerry-jeudy-browns-broncos

    I think I would take the deal at Newsome +4th. Possibly even +3rd. Would ignite the offense, and also allow us to acquire a more specific nickel, since we have starters on the outside already.  

    I say make the deal also... Take what you have left over in the draft to support other positions and hope for the best...

  • @korsou-dawg said:

    Back-up?

    Two words: START DOBBS

    No one's going to answer the Start Dobbs 'warcry'? Not even @dutch-oven or @tiamat63 ? Sadge.

    On topic: apparently we are pursuing Jerry Jeudy, but the asking price of Newsome + our 2nd rounder is rightfully considered too steep. That said, Newsome was unhappy last season, and arguably surpassed by Emerson. And drafting a receiver like Jeudy will be a challenge, even with our 2nd rounder.

    https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2023/3/21/23650864/nfl-trade-rumors-jerry-jeudy-browns-broncos

    I think I would take the deal at Newsome +4th. Possibly even +3rd. Would ignite the offense, and also allow us to acquire a more specific nickel, since we have starters on the outside already.  

    @korsou-dawg said:

    No one's going to answer the Start Dobbs 'warcry'? Not even @dutch-oven or @tiamat63 ? Sadge.

    On topic: apparently we are pursuing Jerry Jeudy, but the asking price of Newsome + our 2nd rounder is rightfully considered too steep. That said, Newsome was unhappy last season, and arguably surpassed by Emerson. And drafting a receiver like Jeudy will be a challenge, even with our 2nd rounder.

    https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2023/3/21/23650864/nfl-trade-rumors-jerry-jeudy-browns-broncos

    I think I would take the deal at Newsome +4th. Possibly even +3rd. Would ignite the offense, and also allow us to acquire a more specific nickel, since we have starters on the outside already.  

     Meh, seen enough of Lou Dobbs to know you don't want to play with that fire. 

     Odd the Donkeys would want to get ride of a promising young receiver.  Considering Russ is going to need all the help he can get.  I'm no fan of rumors, but if DEN shot down a 2nd and 4th from the Pats... Then I'm out.    I'm not giving you a top 50 pick + a very good, young corner. 

     Newsie was probably unhappy last season for several reasons.  The biggest one's being how much time he spent kicked inside at slot, when he felt he could make more a difference outside.   And he's probably right.  I've said this before, but I've felt that, given his next level agility, Denzel would be better suited for that role in various matchups.   

     Trade off being coaches having concerns about him in the run fit since he is the smaller body of our CB trio.  Which is why I'm hoping Schwartz is calculated with that sort of usage. 

     But I don't like the idea of trading GN2.  He might not have any probowl nods, but he's a very solid DB.  

  • @korsou-dawg said:

    No one's going to answer the Start Dobbs 'warcry'? Not even @dutch-oven or @tiamat63 ? Sadge.

    On topic: apparently we are pursuing Jerry Jeudy, but the asking price of Newsome + our 2nd rounder is rightfully considered too steep. That said, Newsome was unhappy last season, and arguably surpassed by Emerson. And drafting a receiver like Jeudy will be a challenge, even with our 2nd rounder.

    https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2023/3/21/23650864/nfl-trade-rumors-jerry-jeudy-browns-broncos

    I think I would take the deal at Newsome +4th. Possibly even +3rd. Would ignite the offense, and also allow us to acquire a more specific nickel, since we have starters on the outside already.  

     Meh, seen enough of Lou Dobbs to know you don't want to play with that fire. 

     Odd the Donkeys would want to get ride of a promising young receiver.  Considering Russ is going to need all the help he can get.  I'm no fan of rumors, but if DEN shot down a 2nd and 4th from the Pats... Then I'm out.    I'm not giving you a top 50 pick + a very good, young corner. 

     Newsie was probably unhappy last season for several reasons.  The biggest one's being how much time he spent kicked inside at slot, when he felt he could make more a difference outside.   And he's probably right.  I've said this before, but I've felt that, given his next level agility, Denzel would be better suited for that role in various matchups.   

     Trade off being coaches having concerns about him in the run fit since he is the smaller body of our CB trio.  Which is why I'm hoping Schwartz is calculated with that sort of usage. 

     But I don't like the idea of trading GN2.  He might not have any probowl nods, but he's a very solid DB.  

    @tiamat63 said:

    Newsie was probably unhappy last season for several reasons.  The biggest one's being how much time he spent kicked inside at slot, when he felt he could make more a difference outside.   And he's probably right.  I've said this before, but I've felt that, given his next level agility, Denzel would be better suited for that role in various matchups.   

     Trade off being coaches having concerns about him in the run fit since he is the smaller body of our CB trio.  Which is why I'm hoping Schwartz is calculated with that sort of usage. 

     But I don't like the idea of trading GN2.  He might not have any probowl nods, but he's a very solid DB.  

    Hear what you are saying about GNII. In a fully objective world, Ward would probably be used like he was. In the real world, we have pecking orders, and Ward is clearly seen as one of our top guys. He is starting on the outside. 

    That makes Greg a talented back-up. If you can flip that into a starting WR of similar talent and age, without adding too much... I believe the FO pulls the trigger, and I would too. 

  • @tiamat63 said:

    Newsie was probably unhappy last season for several reasons.  The biggest one's being how much time he spent kicked inside at slot, when he felt he could make more a difference outside.   And he's probably right.  I've said this before, but I've felt that, given his next level agility, Denzel would be better suited for that role in various matchups.   

     Trade off being coaches having concerns about him in the run fit since he is the smaller body of our CB trio.  Which is why I'm hoping Schwartz is calculated with that sort of usage. 

     But I don't like the idea of trading GN2.  He might not have any probowl nods, but he's a very solid DB.  

    Hear what you are saying about GNII. In a fully objective world, Ward would probably be used like he was. In the real world, we have pecking orders, and Ward is clearly seen as one of our top guys. He is starting on the outside. 

    That makes Greg a talented back-up. If you can flip that into a starting WR of similar talent and age, without adding too much... I believe the FO pulls the trigger, and I would too. 

    @korsou-dawg said:

    Hear what you are saying about GNII. In a fully objective world, Ward would probably be used like he was. In the real world, we have pecking orders, and Ward is clearly seen as one of our top guys. He is starting on the outside. 

    That makes Greg a talented back-up. If you can flip that into a starting WR of similar talent and age, without adding too much... I believe the FO pulls the trigger, and I would too. 

     Before Talib showed up, Chris Harris was the Broncos best CB.  Their best DB by far, even though he primarily drew assignments in the slot for teams that wanted to emphasize targeting that receiver.  Against Julian Edelman and the Pats was a huge matchup where he made Eds almost a non factor.  Another great example was the Hawks trying to involve Doug Baldwin,  Harris drawing that matchup and winning reps. 

     Pecking order be damned, I'm playing my corners in the most favorable matchups.  If Ward draws better against a team with heavy 11 personnel and works routes from the slot, then that is where he's going. The  coaching speak/think of "my best play outside" is outdated.  One of the few things about Woods I won't miss. 

     And in an NFL where you spend 60+% of your time in nickel and dime, that means your 3rd corner is pretty much a starter. Respectfully, 'backup' is hardly the word I would use bubs. 

     Since the current front office has taken over, they've targeted DBs with height and wingspan -Newsie, Green, Emerson, Faulk... All 6'1+ corners.    I genuinely believe, if not for the albatross contract Ward has, there would be talk of trade interest. 

  • Elijah Moore. For a second, and we get a third at 74.

    nice deal my Berry

    been a solid FA for him. I’m excited. Team is getting balanced on both sides of the ball.

  • 7.1 YPT. 

    If you wanted a speed merchant who works the short to intermediate game, Moore appears to be that "classic" slot receiver. 

  • I'd rather not lose any more corners.

    The Browns have landed their next big addition to their offense.

    About two hours after news of the trade first broke, the Browns officially announced Wednesday that they have acquired receiver Elijah Moore from the New York Jets, along with the Jets' third-round pick, No. 74. New York will receive the Browns' second-round pick, No 42.

    Year
    Team
    REC
    YDS
    AVG
    LNG
    TD
    ATT
    YDS
    AVG
     
    2022
    37
    446
    12.1
    42
    1
    5
    5
    1.0
     
    2021
    43
    538
    12.5
    62
    5
    5
    54
    10.8
     
    Career
     
    80
    984
    12.3
    62
    6
    10
    59
    5.9
  • @gumby73 said:

    this feels like, if berry announced a move before Wednesday? It would piss off owners,NFL and Media..

    F'em Berry! Load this squad up !?Go Browns!

    download.jpg.52fc2fb1b58045a0d62fb51b35f67608.jpg     download.jpg.8523e188e77edb5fbeea040fd1cc85dc.jpg   YES !  We had some doubts...

    Me included

    JOB WELL DONE ANDREW BERRY !  

    What did Elijah Moore cost the #Browns?
     
    Using the Fitzgerald-Spielberger Trade Chart (Analytics)
    #42 - 1106
    #74 - 819 So effectively given up pick 211 for Moore
     
    Using Jimmy Johnson Trade Chart
    #42 - 480
    #74 - 220 So effectively given up pick 66
     
    Great value by AB 
  • @gumby73 said:

    this feels like, if berry announced a move before Wednesday? It would piss off owners,NFL and Media..

    F'em Berry! Load this squad up !?Go Browns!

    download.jpg.52fc2fb1b58045a0d62fb51b35f67608.jpg     download.jpg.8523e188e77edb5fbeea040fd1cc85dc.jpg   YES !  We had some doubts...

    Me included

    JOB WELL DONE ANDREW BERRY !  

    What did Elijah Moore cost the #Browns?
     
    Using the Fitzgerald-Spielberger Trade Chart (Analytics)
    #42 - 1106
    #74 - 819 So effectively given up pick 211 for Moore
     
    Using Jimmy Johnson Trade Chart
    #42 - 480
    #74 - 220 So effectively given up pick 66
     
    Great value by AB 

    @gumby73 said:

    download.jpg.52fc2fb1b58045a0d62fb51b35f67608.jpg     download.jpg.8523e188e77edb5fbeea040fd1cc85dc.jpg   YES !  We had some doubts...

    Me included

    JOB WELL DONE ANDREW BERRY !  

    Sorry but winning the off season doesn't excite me much...

  • @gumby73 said:

    download.jpg.52fc2fb1b58045a0d62fb51b35f67608.jpg     download.jpg.8523e188e77edb5fbeea040fd1cc85dc.jpg   YES !  We had some doubts...

    Me included

    JOB WELL DONE ANDREW BERRY !  

    Sorry but winning the off season doesn't excite me much...

    @nickers said:

    Sorry but winning the off season doesn't excite me much...

    yes nick, we know nickers..  🙂

    but, passing on youth & not drafting 6-8 more was a.. win/win(FA) for Andrew Berry 

  • @gumby73 said:

    download.jpg.52fc2fb1b58045a0d62fb51b35f67608.jpg     download.jpg.8523e188e77edb5fbeea040fd1cc85dc.jpg   YES !  We had some doubts...

    Me included

    JOB WELL DONE ANDREW BERRY !  

    Sorry but winning the off season doesn't excite me much...

    @nickers said:

    Sorry but winning the off season doesn't excite me much...

    Being a miserable twat, on the other hand... 

  • @nickers said:

    Sorry but winning the off season doesn't excite me much...

    yes nick, we know nickers..  🙂

    but, passing on youth & not drafting 6-8 more was a.. win/win(FA) for Andrew Berry 

    @gumby73 said:

    yes nick, we know nickers..  🙂

    but, passing on youth & not drafting 6-8 more was a.. win/win(FA) for Andrew Berry 

    What does he win?.. A pat on the patoot?.. Woweeee!... "Hey look at my shiny new bicycle everybody" Meh.... Time keeps on tickin'....

  • @gumby73 said:

    yes nick, we know nickers..  🙂

    but, passing on youth & not drafting 6-8 more was a.. win/win(FA) for Andrew Berry 

    What does he win?.. A pat on the patoot?.. Woweeee!... "Hey look at my shiny new bicycle everybody" Meh.... Time keeps on tickin'....

    @nickers said:

    Time keeps on tickin'....

    put 5-6 draftees on this team starting at pick #40.. Where ya gonna put'em & who ya cutting? 

    time, said to win now, and not do it sitting on the clock ..

    Aren't you tired of watching Haslam fire everybody but himself?

  • @gumby73 said:

    download.jpg.52fc2fb1b58045a0d62fb51b35f67608.jpg     download.jpg.8523e188e77edb5fbeea040fd1cc85dc.jpg   YES !  We had some doubts...

    Me included

    JOB WELL DONE ANDREW BERRY !  

    Sorry but winning the off season doesn't excite me much...

    @nickers said:

    Sorry but winning the off season doesn't excite me much...

    but losing it does ?