2023 Off-Season Free Agent moves/signings
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Back-up?
Two words: START DOBBS
No one's going to answer the Start Dobbs 'warcry'? Not even @dutch-oven or @tiamat63 ? Sadge.
On topic: apparently we are pursuing Jerry Jeudy, but the asking price of Newsome + our 2nd rounder is rightfully considered too steep. That said, Newsome was unhappy last season, and arguably surpassed by Emerson. And drafting a receiver like Jeudy will be a challenge, even with our 2nd rounder.
https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2023/3/21/23650864/nfl-trade-rumors-jerry-jeudy-browns-broncos
I think I would take the deal at Newsome +4th. Possibly even +3rd. Would ignite the offense, and also allow us to acquire a more specific nickel, since we have starters on the outside already.
No one's going to answer the Start Dobbs 'warcry'? Not even @dutch-oven or @tiamat63 ? Sadge.
On topic: apparently we are pursuing Jerry Jeudy, but the asking price of Newsome + our 2nd rounder is rightfully considered too steep. That said, Newsome was unhappy last season, and arguably surpassed by Emerson. And drafting a receiver like Jeudy will be a challenge, even with our 2nd rounder.
https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2023/3/21/23650864/nfl-trade-rumors-jerry-jeudy-browns-broncos
I think I would take the deal at Newsome +4th. Possibly even +3rd. Would ignite the offense, and also allow us to acquire a more specific nickel, since we have starters on the outside already.
I say make the deal also... Take what you have left over in the draft to support other positions and hope for the best...
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Back-up?
Two words: START DOBBS
No one's going to answer the Start Dobbs 'warcry'? Not even @dutch-oven or @tiamat63 ? Sadge.
On topic: apparently we are pursuing Jerry Jeudy, but the asking price of Newsome + our 2nd rounder is rightfully considered too steep. That said, Newsome was unhappy last season, and arguably surpassed by Emerson. And drafting a receiver like Jeudy will be a challenge, even with our 2nd rounder.
https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2023/3/21/23650864/nfl-trade-rumors-jerry-jeudy-browns-broncos
I think I would take the deal at Newsome +4th. Possibly even +3rd. Would ignite the offense, and also allow us to acquire a more specific nickel, since we have starters on the outside already.
No one's going to answer the Start Dobbs 'warcry'? Not even @dutch-oven or @tiamat63 ? Sadge.
On topic: apparently we are pursuing Jerry Jeudy, but the asking price of Newsome + our 2nd rounder is rightfully considered too steep. That said, Newsome was unhappy last season, and arguably surpassed by Emerson. And drafting a receiver like Jeudy will be a challenge, even with our 2nd rounder.
https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2023/3/21/23650864/nfl-trade-rumors-jerry-jeudy-browns-broncos
I think I would take the deal at Newsome +4th. Possibly even +3rd. Would ignite the offense, and also allow us to acquire a more specific nickel, since we have starters on the outside already.
Meh, seen enough of Lou Dobbs to know you don't want to play with that fire.
Odd the Donkeys would want to get ride of a promising young receiver. Considering Russ is going to need all the help he can get. I'm no fan of rumors, but if DEN shot down a 2nd and 4th from the Pats... Then I'm out. I'm not giving you a top 50 pick + a very good, young corner.
Newsie was probably unhappy last season for several reasons. The biggest one's being how much time he spent kicked inside at slot, when he felt he could make more a difference outside. And he's probably right. I've said this before, but I've felt that, given his next level agility, Denzel would be better suited for that role in various matchups.
Trade off being coaches having concerns about him in the run fit since he is the smaller body of our CB trio. Which is why I'm hoping Schwartz is calculated with that sort of usage.
But I don't like the idea of trading GN2. He might not have any probowl nods, but he's a very solid DB.
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No one's going to answer the Start Dobbs 'warcry'? Not even @dutch-oven or @tiamat63 ? Sadge.
On topic: apparently we are pursuing Jerry Jeudy, but the asking price of Newsome + our 2nd rounder is rightfully considered too steep. That said, Newsome was unhappy last season, and arguably surpassed by Emerson. And drafting a receiver like Jeudy will be a challenge, even with our 2nd rounder.
https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2023/3/21/23650864/nfl-trade-rumors-jerry-jeudy-browns-broncos
I think I would take the deal at Newsome +4th. Possibly even +3rd. Would ignite the offense, and also allow us to acquire a more specific nickel, since we have starters on the outside already.
Meh, seen enough of Lou Dobbs to know you don't want to play with that fire.
Odd the Donkeys would want to get ride of a promising young receiver. Considering Russ is going to need all the help he can get. I'm no fan of rumors, but if DEN shot down a 2nd and 4th from the Pats... Then I'm out. I'm not giving you a top 50 pick + a very good, young corner.
Newsie was probably unhappy last season for several reasons. The biggest one's being how much time he spent kicked inside at slot, when he felt he could make more a difference outside. And he's probably right. I've said this before, but I've felt that, given his next level agility, Denzel would be better suited for that role in various matchups.
Trade off being coaches having concerns about him in the run fit since he is the smaller body of our CB trio. Which is why I'm hoping Schwartz is calculated with that sort of usage.
But I don't like the idea of trading GN2. He might not have any probowl nods, but he's a very solid DB.
Newsie was probably unhappy last season for several reasons. The biggest one's being how much time he spent kicked inside at slot, when he felt he could make more a difference outside. And he's probably right. I've said this before, but I've felt that, given his next level agility, Denzel would be better suited for that role in various matchups.
Trade off being coaches having concerns about him in the run fit since he is the smaller body of our CB trio. Which is why I'm hoping Schwartz is calculated with that sort of usage.
But I don't like the idea of trading GN2. He might not have any probowl nods, but he's a very solid DB.
Hear what you are saying about GNII. In a fully objective world, Ward would probably be used like he was. In the real world, we have pecking orders, and Ward is clearly seen as one of our top guys. He is starting on the outside.
That makes Greg a talented back-up. If you can flip that into a starting WR of similar talent and age, without adding too much... I believe the FO pulls the trigger, and I would too.
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Newsie was probably unhappy last season for several reasons. The biggest one's being how much time he spent kicked inside at slot, when he felt he could make more a difference outside. And he's probably right. I've said this before, but I've felt that, given his next level agility, Denzel would be better suited for that role in various matchups.
Trade off being coaches having concerns about him in the run fit since he is the smaller body of our CB trio. Which is why I'm hoping Schwartz is calculated with that sort of usage.
But I don't like the idea of trading GN2. He might not have any probowl nods, but he's a very solid DB.
Hear what you are saying about GNII. In a fully objective world, Ward would probably be used like he was. In the real world, we have pecking orders, and Ward is clearly seen as one of our top guys. He is starting on the outside.
That makes Greg a talented back-up. If you can flip that into a starting WR of similar talent and age, without adding too much... I believe the FO pulls the trigger, and I would too.
Hear what you are saying about GNII. In a fully objective world, Ward would probably be used like he was. In the real world, we have pecking orders, and Ward is clearly seen as one of our top guys. He is starting on the outside.
That makes Greg a talented back-up. If you can flip that into a starting WR of similar talent and age, without adding too much... I believe the FO pulls the trigger, and I would too.
Before Talib showed up, Chris Harris was the Broncos best CB. Their best DB by far, even though he primarily drew assignments in the slot for teams that wanted to emphasize targeting that receiver. Against Julian Edelman and the Pats was a huge matchup where he made Eds almost a non factor. Another great example was the Hawks trying to involve Doug Baldwin, Harris drawing that matchup and winning reps.
Pecking order be damned, I'm playing my corners in the most favorable matchups. If Ward draws better against a team with heavy 11 personnel and works routes from the slot, then that is where he's going. The coaching speak/think of "my best play outside" is outdated. One of the few things about Woods I won't miss.
And in an NFL where you spend 60+% of your time in nickel and dime, that means your 3rd corner is pretty much a starter. Respectfully, 'backup' is hardly the word I would use bubs.
Since the current front office has taken over, they've targeted DBs with height and wingspan -Newsie, Green, Emerson, Faulk... All 6'1+ corners. I genuinely believe, if not for the albatross contract Ward has, there would be talk of trade interest.
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Elijah Moore. For a second, and we get a third at 74.
nice deal my Berry
been a solid FA for him. I’m excited. Team is getting balanced on both sides of the ball.
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7.1 YPT.
If you wanted a speed merchant who works the short to intermediate game, Moore appears to be that "classic" slot receiver.
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I'd rather not lose any more corners.
The Browns have landed their next big addition to their offense.
About two hours after news of the trade first broke, the Browns officially announced Wednesday that they have acquired receiver Elijah Moore from the New York Jets, along with the Jets' third-round pick, No. 74. New York will receive the Browns' second-round pick, No 42.
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this feels like, if berry announced a move before Wednesday? It would piss off owners,NFL and Media..
F'em Berry! Load this squad up !?Go Browns!
YES ! We had some doubts...
Me included
JOB WELL DONE ANDREW BERRY !
Using the Fitzgerald-Spielberger Trade Chart (Analytics)#42 - 1106#74 - 819 So effectively given up pick 211 for MooreUsing Jimmy Johnson Trade Chart#42 - 480#74 - 220 So effectively given up pick 66Great value by ABBrowns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends -
this feels like, if berry announced a move before Wednesday? It would piss off owners,NFL and Media..
F'em Berry! Load this squad up !?Go Browns!
YES ! We had some doubts...
Me included
JOB WELL DONE ANDREW BERRY !
Using the Fitzgerald-Spielberger Trade Chart (Analytics)#42 - 1106#74 - 819 So effectively given up pick 211 for MooreUsing Jimmy Johnson Trade Chart#42 - 480#74 - 220 So effectively given up pick 66Great value by AB YES ! We had some doubts...
Me included
JOB WELL DONE ANDREW BERRY !
Sorry but winning the off season doesn't excite me much...
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
Sorry but winning the off season doesn't excite me much...
yes nick, we know nickers..
but, passing on youth & not drafting 6-8 more was a.. win/win(FA) for Andrew Berry
Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends -
Sorry but winning the off season doesn't excite me much...
Being a miserable twat, on the other hand...
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yes nick, we know nickers..
but, passing on youth & not drafting 6-8 more was a.. win/win(FA) for Andrew Berry
What does he win?.. A pat on the patoot?.. Woweeee!... "Hey look at my shiny new bicycle everybody" Meh.... Time keeps on tickin'....
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Time keeps on tickin'....
put 5-6 draftees on this team starting at pick #40.. Where ya gonna put'em & who ya cutting?
time, said to win now, and not do it sitting on the clock ..
Aren't you tired of watching Haslam fire everybody but himself?
Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends -
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put 5-6 draftees on this team starting at pick #40.. Where ya gonna put'em & who ya cutting?
time, said to win now, and not do it sitting on the clock ..
Aren't you tired of watching Haslam fire everybody but himself?
As do bears shit in da woods!
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
yes nick, we know nickers..
but, passing on youth & not drafting 6-8 more was a.. win/win(FA) for Andrew Berry
and hopefully we can trade some of those picks for next years draft unless I mean unless there is someone we will package picks up for ? I dunno I would rather get extra picks for next years draft
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da woods!
A Browns coach finally gets to put a decent staff together, not waiting on any playoff teams, while other coaches come off the hiring list...
Not this time...
It's poker night ! Dealing starts at 9pm.. See ya boyz.. Go Browns !
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this feels like, if berry announced a move before Wednesday? It would piss off owners,NFL and Media..
F'em Berry! Load this squad up !?Go Browns!
YES ! We had some doubts...
Me included
JOB WELL DONE ANDREW BERRY !
Using the Fitzgerald-Spielberger Trade Chart (Analytics)#42 - 1106#74 - 819 So effectively given up pick 211 for MooreUsing Jimmy Johnson Trade Chart#42 - 480#74 - 220 So effectively given up pick 66Great value by ABUsing Jimmy Johnson Trade Chart#42 - 480#74 - 220 So effectively given up pick 66This coincides with Draftek. Which means his value is 3rd pick in the 3rd round. (Jets drafted him with pick 34)
I look at it this way, we gave up pick #42 for this guy. His stats with the Jets aren't great or anything...he's 5' 10" @ 178 lb., which is smurf-like. (he's a Brown now, so he's Elf-like) He caught 56% of his targets with the Jets. I dunno...I'm not sure that Elijah is our WR savior. I'm crossing my fingers.
Now where does this leave us at LB'er? Pick 74?
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
Linebacker Anthony Walker re-signs with Browns
https://sports.yahoo.com/linebacker-anthony-walker-signs-browns-040104631.html++
Jaguars signing former Browns RB D'Ernest Johnson to one-year contract
https://www.nfl.com/news/jaguars-signing-former-browns-rb-d-ernest-johnson-to-one-year-contract
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Using Jimmy Johnson Trade Chart#42 - 480#74 - 220 So effectively given up pick 66
This coincides with Draftek. Which means his value is 3rd pick in the 3rd round. (Jets drafted him with pick 34)
I look at it this way, we gave up pick #42 for this guy. His stats with the Jets aren't great or anything...he's 5' 10" @ 178 lb., which is smurf-like. (he's a Brown now, so he's Elf-like) He caught 56% of his targets with the Jets. I dunno...I'm not sure that Elijah is our WR savior. I'm crossing my fingers.
Now where does this leave us at LB'er? Pick 74?
@tiamat63 very fair point about the prevalence of nickle and dime sets.
This coincides with Draftek. Which means his value is 3rd pick in the 3rd round. (Jets drafted him with pick 34)
I look at it this way, we gave up pick #42 for this guy. His stats with the Jets aren't great or anything...he's 5' 10" @ 178 lb., which is smurf-like. (he's a Brown now, so he's Elf-like) He caught 56% of his targets with the Jets. I dunno...I'm not sure that Elijah is our WR savior. I'm crossing my fingers.
Now where does this leave us at LB'er? Pick 74?
I'm with you on this one. Internet commentators and analytics guys are going nuts about the value of this trade. And while I have preached the gospel of value going into this off-season, I'm struggling to get any more than lukewarm about this trade.
Moore seems like your typical slot/ speed guy. It seems that DPJ will be our WR2 on the outside for one more season, which is not necessarily a bad thing. Where does that leave Bell, who I am higher on most of the comments I have seen on here? He has a similar height and build as DPJ, so maybe he might be getting reps on the outside as well?
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