Wide Receiver
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I thought that kicked tire went flat after the Moore trade.
Schwartz/ Bell & Woods at camp, fights for a roster spot or practice squad bubble.
adding Bill Musgrave's to AVP with Stef calling plays... We'd hope to see the 2020 Deshaun Watson play like it
Bell isn't fighting for a roster spot, barring disaster.
Schwartz and Woods are, dependent on special teams play.
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He's a smurf. (an Elf, since he's a Brown now). 5' 10" 179 lb. 56% catch percentage. I don't see him as being 'the answer'. (Elijah, the savior)
...and now our first pick is in total crap-shoot land. 3rd round. But...at least they're attacking the spots that we all hoped they would. Be good Elijah, we need ya to be good.
Just curious remember Brian Brennan 5' 9" 178 ? Career 59.4%. (Kosar years.) Great possession receiver kind of in that class.
Just curious remember Brian Brennan 5' 9" 178 ? Career 59.4%. (Kosar years.) Great possession receiver kind of in that class.
Thanks for bringing him up. Loved Brian Brennan. He led our 12-4 team in 86 with 55 receptions playing almost exclusively on 3rd downs. The OTHER guy that came up big on 3rd downs was RB Herman Fontenot with 47 receptions. On a team that had talents like Mack, Byner and Slaughter - the blue collar work of Brennan and Fontenot kept a lot of drives alive with their clutch performances within their situational roles.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
Goodwin (don't know why the yellow highlight)
Position: WR 5-9, 180lb (175cm, 81kg) - another Elf (smurf). C'mon Weston...be good!
Games Receiving Rushing Total Yds Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD 1D Lng R/G Y/G Ctch% Y/Tgt Rush Yds TD 1D Lng Y/A Y/G A/G Touch Y/Tch YScm RRTD Fmb AV Career 102 44 362 187 3023 16.2 18 141 84 1.8 29.6 51.7% 8.4 19 93 0 6 18 4.9 0.9 0.2 206 15.1 3116 18 4 26 4 yrs BUF 39 10 111 49 780 15.9 6 36 84 1.3 20.0 44.1% 7.0 6 21 0 2 17 3.5 0.5 0.2 55 14.6 801 6 2 6 3 yrs SFO 36 30 169 91 1543 17.0 7 75 83 2.5 42.9 53.8% 9.1 9 68 0 4 18 7.6 1.9 0.3 100 16.1 1611 7 1 13 1 yr CHI 14 2 40 20 313 15.7 1 12 50 1.4 22.4 50.0% 7.8 2 -1 0 0 1 -0.5 -0.1 0.1 22 14.2 312 1 1 3 1 yr SEA 13 2 42 27 387 14.3 4 18 38 2.1 29.8 64.3% 9.2 2 5 0 0 7 2.5 0.4 0.2 29 13.5 392 4 4 2013 23 BUF WR 88 12 1 32 17 283 16.6 3 13 59 1.4 23.6 53.1% 8.8 3 13 0 1 17 4.3 1.1 0.3 20 14.8 296 3 1 2 2014 24 BUF WR 88 10 0 9 1 42 42.0 0 1 42 0.1 4.2 11.1% 4.7 3 8 0 1 12 2.7 0.8 0.3 4 12.5 50 0 1 0 2015 25 BUF WR 88 2 0 2 2 24 12.0 0 2 14 1.0 12.0 100.0% 12.0 0 2 12.0 24 0 0 0 2016 26 BUF WR 88 15 9 68 29 431 14.9 3 20 84 1.9 28.7 42.6% 6.3 0 29 14.9 431 3 0 4 2017 27 SFO WR 11 16 16 105 56 962 17.2 2 46 83 3.5 60.1 53.3% 9.2 4 44 0 3 18 11.0 2.8 0.3 60 16.8 1006 2 0 8 2018 28 SFO WR 11 11 8 43 23 395 17.2 4 19 67 2.1 35.9 53.5% 9.2 4 9 0 0 5 2.3 0.8 0.4 27 15.0 404 4 1 3 2019 29 SFO WR 11 9 6 21 12 186 15.5 1 10 38 1.3 20.7 57.1% 8.9 1 15 0 1 15 15.0 1.7 0.1 13 15.5 201 1 0 2 2021 31 CHI WR 84 14 2 40 20 313 15.7 1 12 50 1.4 22.4 50.0% 7.8 2 -1 0 0 1 -0.5 -0.1 0.1 22 14.2 312 1 1 3 2022 32 SEA WR 11 13 2 42 27 387 14.3 4 18 38 2.1 29.8 64.3% 9.2 2 5 0 0 7 2.5 0.4 0.2 29 13.5 392 4 0 4 -
Just curious remember Brian Brennan 5' 9" 178 ? Career 59.4%. (Kosar years.) Great possession receiver kind of in that class.
Thanks for bringing him up. Loved Brian Brennan. He led our 12-4 team in 86 with 55 receptions playing almost exclusively on 3rd downs. The OTHER guy that came up big on 3rd downs was RB Herman Fontenot with 47 receptions. On a team that had talents like Mack, Byner and Slaughter - the blue collar work of Brennan and Fontenot kept a lot of drives alive with their clutch performances within their situational roles.
Thanks for bringing him up. Loved Brian Brennan. He led our 12-4 team in 86 with 55 receptions playing almost exclusively on 3rd downs. The OTHER guy that came up big on 3rd downs was RB Herman Fontenot with 47 receptions. On a team that had talents like Mack, Byner and Slaughter - the blue collar work of Brennan and Fontenot kept a lot of drives alive with their clutch performances within their situational roles.
Thanks flug,
When they were talking about these WRs I thought about #86 Brian Brennan during the Cleveland BROWNS glory years with Boardman native and the "U" National Champion Bernie Kosar. And 1986 was Brian Brennan's best year as a BROWNS player, plus a great guy whenever you needed a 3rd down conversion made. Not flashy but very reliable and his stats :
Games Receiving Rushing Total Yds Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G Ctch% Y/Tgt Rush Yds TD Lng Y/A Y/G A/G Touch Y/Tch YScm RRTD Fmb AV Career 132 27 32 334 4336 13.0 20 57 2.5 32.8 59.4% 5.9 0 334 13.0 4336 20 9 41 8 yrs CLE 117 27 315 4148 13.2 19 57 2.7 35.5 0% 0 315 13.2 4148 19 9 39 1 yr CIN 9 0 26 16 166 10.4 1 21 1.8 18.4 61.5% 6.4 0 16 10.4 166 1 2 1 yr SDG 6 0 6 3 22 7.3 0 12 0.5 3.7 50.0% 3.7 0 3 7.3 22 0 0 1984 22 CLE WR 86 15 5 35 455 13.0 3 52 2.3 30.3 0 35 13.0 455 3 1 4 1985 23 CLE WR 86 12 10 32 487 15.2 0 57 2.7 40.6 0 32 15.2 487 0 3 6 1986 24 CLE WR 86 16 0 55 838 15.2 6 57 3.4 52.4 0 55 15.2 838 6 1 8 1987 25 CLE WR 86 13 1 43 607 14.1 6 53 3.3 46.7 0 43 14.1 607 6 1 7 1988 26 CLE WR 86 16 1 46 579 12.6 1 33 2.9 36.2 0 46 12.6 579 1 0 5 1989 27 CLE WR 86 14 2 28 289 10.3 0 38 2.0 20.6 0 28 10.3 289 0 1 2 1990 28 CLE WR 86 16 5 45 568 12.6 2 28 2.8 35.5 0 45 12.6 568 2 1 4 1991 29 CLE WR 86 15 3 31 325 10.5 1 30 2.1 21.7 0 31 10.5 325 1 1 3 1992 30 2TM WR 15 0 32 19 188 9.9 1 21 1.3 12.5 59.4% 5.9 0 19 9.9 188 1 0 2 CIN WR 83 9 0 26 16 166 10.4 1 21 1.8 18.4 61.5% 6.4 0 16 10.4 166 1 0 2 SDG WR 13 6 0 6 3 22 7.3 0 12 0.5 3.7 50.0% 3.7 0 3 7.3 22 0 0 0 -
Nice !
I thought that kicked tire went flat after the Moore trade.
Schwartz/ Bell & Woods at camp, fights for a roster spot or practice squad bubble.
adding Bill Musgrave's to AVP with Stef calling plays... We'd hope to see the 2020 Deshaun Watson play like it
Bell isn't fighting for a roster spot, barring disaster.
Schwartz and Woods are, dependent on special teams play.
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Oh and for a trip down the Cleveland BROWNS greatest memory lane Herman Fontenot 6' 0" 206 lb and from LSU.
And also his slightly fewer stats :
Games Receiving Rushing Total Yds Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G Rush Yds TD Lng Y/A Y/G A/G Touch Y/Tch YScm RRTD Fmb AV Career 83 4 143 1453 10.2 6 72 1.7 17.5 102 370 2 19 3.6 4.5 1.2 245 7.4 1823 8 4 16 4 yrs CLE 53 4 72 788 10.9 2 72 1.4 14.9 68 225 1 17 3.3 4.2 1.3 140 7.2 1013 3 3 9 2 yrs GNB 30 0 71 665 9.4 4 59 2.4 22.2 34 145 1 19 4.3 4.8 1.1 105 7.7 810 5 1 7 1985 22 CLE RB 28 9 0 2 19 9.5 0 17 0.2 2.1 0 2 9.5 19 0 1 0 1986 23 CLE RB 28 16 3 47 559 11.9 1 72 2.9 34.9 25 105 1 16 4.2 6.6 1.6 72 9.2 664 2 2 6 1987 24 CLE RB 28 12 0 4 40 10.0 0 25 0.3 3.3 15 33 0 14 2.2 2.8 1.3 19 3.8 73 0 0 1 1988 25 CLE RB 28 16 1 19 170 8.9 1 15 1.2 10.6 28 87 0 17 3.1 5.4 1.8 47 5.5 257 1 0 2 1989 26 GNB RB 27 16 0 40 372 9.3 3 38 2.5 23.3 17 69 1 19 4.1 4.3 1.1 57 7.7 441 4 0 4 1990 27 GNB RB 27 14 0 31 293 9.5 1 59 2.2 20.9 17 76 0 18 4.5 5.4 1.2 48 7.7 369 1 1 3 -
Now here's a legit question for you:
Are you upset because you are genuinely upset in the direction the Browns are going, or are you upset because you really look forward to the Draft and once again the air is let out of your Browns Draft Balloon? Or both? (I understand how one could be both)
I'll preface my answer with saying the reason the Browns have the most last place finishes in their division since they returned to the NFL is because they've done the worst in the draft. Free agency and crack-pipe trades has never been the magical catch-up tool. That said, did I tell you if you watch the first Rocky movie 24 times that he finally wins the 24th time you watch it?
My answer is both.
I'll preface my answer with saying the reason the Browns have the most last place finishes in their division since they returned to the NFL is because they've done the worst in the draft. Free agency and crack-pipe trades has never been the magical catch-up tool. That said, did I tell you if you watch the first Rocky movie 24 times that he finally wins the 24th time you watch it?
My answer is both.
Rocky did win. That was the point of the movie.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. -
Nice !
I thought that kicked tire went flat after the Moore trade.
Schwartz/ Bell & Woods at camp, fights for a roster spot or practice squad bubble.
adding Bill Musgrave's to AVP with Stef calling plays... We'd hope to see the 2020 Deshaun Watson play like it
Bell isn't fighting for a roster spot, barring disaster.
Schwartz and Woods are, dependent on special teams play.
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I'll preface my answer with saying the reason the Browns have the most last place finishes in their division since they returned to the NFL is because they've done the worst in the draft. Free agency and crack-pipe trades has never been the magical catch-up tool. That said, did I tell you if you watch the first Rocky movie 24 times that he finally wins the 24th time you watch it?
My answer is both.
Rocky did win. That was the point of the movie.
Rocky did win. That was the point of the movie.
No, Rocky lost the fight in the original, first installment of the series.
You might want to watch that again, because winning the fight was absolutely not the point of the first Rocky.
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No, Rocky lost the fight in the original, first installment of the series.
You might want to watch that again, because winning the fight was absolutely not the point of the first Rocky.
Yes, I know. My comment was Rocky was a winner. He won because he fought through adversity.
You don't always have to win, to win.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. -
Does anyone think we might still draft a WR if BPA? Room seems awfully crowded.
The stud TE of my dreams (on field, non-erotic), might be coming back in play.
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No, Rocky lost the fight in the original, first installment of the series.
You might want to watch that again, because winning the fight was absolutely not the point of the first Rocky.
Yes, I know. My comment was Rocky was a winner. He won because he fought through adversity.
You don't always have to win, to win.
Yes, I know. My comment was Rocky was a winner. He won because he fought through adversity.
You don't always have to win, to win.
You lawyers literally cannot just say "Oops, I was wrong" and move on, can you?
Gipper was great at "moving the goalposts" too.
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Does anyone think we might still draft a WR if BPA? Room seems awfully crowded.
The stud TE of my dreams (on field, non-erotic), might be coming back in play.
Does anyone think we might still draft a WR if BPA? Room seems awfully crowded.
The stud TE of my dreams (on field, non-erotic), might be coming back in play.
Part of me thinks it is highly improbable now, but if you think about it, despite all the moves most of them are pretty short-term. Most of the WR room could be gone by this time next year.
Who is the TE of your completely non-sexual dreams?
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Does anyone think we might still draft a WR if BPA? Room seems awfully crowded.
The stud TE of my dreams (on field, non-erotic), might be coming back in play.
Part of me thinks it is highly improbable now, but if you think about it, despite all the moves most of them are pretty short-term. Most of the WR room could be gone by this time next year.
Who is the TE of your completely non-sexual dreams?
Who is the TE of your completely non-sexual dreams?
I'm thinking it's more likely they trade up with some of those extra picks either for another Edge or, "ta da", the fastest RB to come out of college in a number of years who also has hands. One more safety valve option with the ability to take it to the house when receivers create a broken field. Schwartz the dropping machine is a goner.
With the addition of speedy FA WR's I'm already excited to see what this does for the RBs we already have whether or not we add one more RB in the draft.
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Does anyone think we might still draft a WR if BPA? Room seems awfully crowded.
The stud TE of my dreams (on field, non-erotic), might be coming back in play.
Does anyone think we might still draft a WR if BPA? Room seems awfully crowded.
Depends on if they think Peoples Jones is re-sign-able.. Coop & Moore & Bell are really the only 3 options with more than a year on contract left.. I'd have to see Marvin Mims/ Parker Washington or Hyatt still on the board to consider a WR in the 3rd..I like Jonathan Mingo past the 3rd rd.
I'm thinking it's more likely they trade up with some of those extra picks either for another Edge or, "ta da", the fastest RB to come out of college in a number of years who also has hands. One more safety valve option with the ability to take it to the house when receivers create a broken field.
messing with the draft sims.. to get from 74 to mid 50's? cost a 4th/5th & #74..much better depth options at DT & Edge.
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You lawyers literally cannot just say "Oops, I was wrong" and move on, can you?
Gipper was great at "moving the goalposts" too.
I am not moving the posts. I do at times think philosophically and don't always subscript to the concept of Occam's razor.
Think about that for a head scratcher...lol
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No, Rocky lost the fight in the original, first installment of the series.
You might want to watch that again, because winning the fight was absolutely not the point of the first Rocky.
Yes, I know. My comment was Rocky was a winner. He won because he fought through adversity.
You don't always have to win, to win.
Yes, I know. My comment was Rocky was a winner. He won because he fought through adversity.
You don't always have to win, to win.
Overcoming adversity does take a winner so it's not a bad point. Then again, what was the purpose of the sequel that followed the 1st Rocky movie? Fans of the fictional character wanted to see a winner with the heart of a champion finally rewarded with his Championship right? Isn't that what us fans of the Browns have wanted for the Brows to accomplish in the non-fictional world? The 80s was my favorite era following in spite of the heartbreak endings. They kept coming back the next year and it was very admirable. I felt bad for Sipe (13th round draft pick in the early 70s turned NFL MVP at the onset of the 80s) and Byner (10th round pick) that we leaned on heavily until their turnovers in/near the end zone in the closing seconds ended our post seasons. Byner later won a Super Bowl as the work horse for Joe Gibbs. Sipe retired shortly thereafter and went to the USFL.
The fictional movie took place in Philadelphia. Isn't that the same City where the majority of it's fan base booed the selection of QB Donovan McNabb by Andy Reid with their 2nd overall pick? Keep in mind, if the Browns weren't re-entering the league in 99 - Philly would have drafted 1st after finishing with the league's worst record in 98. Anyway, Andy Reid's guy McNabb led the Eagles to the playoffs as early as his 2nd year and all but 1 or 2 years over the next 10 years or so. In that span, they won frequently enough to attend 5 NFC Conference Championships and 1 Super Bowl. Because they lost 4 of the 5 Conference Championships and the 1 Super Bowl - the fans wanted both Andy Reid and Donovan McNabb out. In the non-fictional version of Philly sports fans a very large contingent of their Eagles' fanbase began to call those guys losers and wanted to chase them out of town. When you get to a point where you remain great for a while (we haven't had that since the 80s) there starts to become a divide where many will remain with your "You don't always have to win, to win" and others that start to get hateful or become Steeler fans. The irony of everything is the same Andy Reid a large contingent of Philly's fan base labelled as a loser just led KC to a Super Bowl victory over Philly.
Gipper, Hoorta and I got to meet Mack and Byner at a Browns Backers party in one of the Honky Tonk Saloons in Nashville. That was a fun weekend with those guys. To save them some money I let them stay at my dump. There was all kinds of great SEC matchups on TV that Saturday afternoon and Gipper talked me into going to President James Polk's house. I never realized how smart Gips was outside of our football world. He told me some fascinating stuff about the Kennedys that made the 50 minute trip each way feel like 10 minutes.
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Does anyone think we might still draft a WR if BPA? Room seems awfully crowded.
The stud TE of my dreams (on field, non-erotic), might be coming back in play.
Part of me thinks it is highly improbable now, but if you think about it, despite all the moves most of them are pretty short-term. Most of the WR room could be gone by this time next year.
Who is the TE of your completely non-sexual dreams?
Part of me thinks it is highly improbable now, but if you think about it, despite all the moves most of them are pretty short-term. Most of the WR room could be gone by this time next year.
Who is the TE of your completely non-sexual dreams?
You make a fair point about largely short-term crowdedness of the WR room.
As long as the TE is an 'old-school' type that can block AND catch, like @flugel and me have been beating the old equestrian out of, I'm good. Don't have access to your fancy draft magazines here, but Darnell Washington from those other Dawgs seems to fit the bill.
I'm thinking it's more likely they trade up with some of those extra picks either for another Edge or, "ta da", the fastest RB to come out of college in a number of years who also has hands. One more safety valve option with the ability to take it to the house when receivers create a broken field. Schwartz the dropping machine is a goner.
With the addition of speedy FA WR's I'm already excited to see what this does for the RBs we already have whether or not we add one more RB in the draft.
With all the guys we have been adding, and limited roster space resulting from that, you are not the only one thinking might be packaged or traded out.
Never seeing the WR who 'happens to share his name with the new DC, but will otherwise not be named' in the orange and brown ever again would be one of the satisfying outcomes this period.
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Part of me thinks it is highly improbable now, but if you think about it, despite all the moves most of them are pretty short-term. Most of the WR room could be gone by this time next year.
Who is the TE of your completely non-sexual dreams?
You make a fair point about largely short-term crowdedness of the WR room.
As long as the TE is an 'old-school' type that can block AND catch, like @flugel and me have been beating the old equestrian out of, I'm good. Don't have access to your fancy draft magazines here, but Darnell Washington from those other Dawgs seems to fit the bill.
I'm thinking it's more likely they trade up with some of those extra picks either for another Edge or, "ta da", the fastest RB to come out of college in a number of years who also has hands. One more safety valve option with the ability to take it to the house when receivers create a broken field. Schwartz the dropping machine is a goner.
With the addition of speedy FA WR's I'm already excited to see what this does for the RBs we already have whether or not we add one more RB in the draft.
With all the guys we have been adding, and limited roster space resulting from that, you are not the only one thinking might be packaged or traded out.
Never seeing the WR who 'happens to share his name with the new DC, but will otherwise not be named' in the orange and brown ever again would be one of the satisfying outcomes this period.
All the guys we have been adding, and limited roster space resulting from that, you are not the only one thinking might be packaged or traded out.
Never seeing the WR who 'happens to share his name with the new DC, but will otherwise not be named' in the orange and brown ever again would be one of the satisfying outcomes this period.
And that was written before our latest WR Goodwin addition which makes it even more likely IMO.
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because winning the fight was absolutely not the point of the first Rocky.
i always thought it was a love story
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