Wide Receiver
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Oh and for a trip down the Cleveland BROWNS greatest memory lane Herman Fontenot 6' 0" 206 lb and from LSU.
And also his slightly fewer stats :
Games Receiving Rushing Total Yds Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G Rush Yds TD Lng Y/A Y/G A/G Touch Y/Tch YScm RRTD Fmb AV Career 83 4 143 1453 10.2 6 72 1.7 17.5 102 370 2 19 3.6 4.5 1.2 245 7.4 1823 8 4 16 4 yrs CLE 53 4 72 788 10.9 2 72 1.4 14.9 68 225 1 17 3.3 4.2 1.3 140 7.2 1013 3 3 9 2 yrs GNB 30 0 71 665 9.4 4 59 2.4 22.2 34 145 1 19 4.3 4.8 1.1 105 7.7 810 5 1 7 1985 22 CLE RB 28 9 0 2 19 9.5 0 17 0.2 2.1 0 2 9.5 19 0 1 0 1986 23 CLE RB 28 16 3 47 559 11.9 1 72 2.9 34.9 25 105 1 16 4.2 6.6 1.6 72 9.2 664 2 2 6 1987 24 CLE RB 28 12 0 4 40 10.0 0 25 0.3 3.3 15 33 0 14 2.2 2.8 1.3 19 3.8 73 0 0 1 1988 25 CLE RB 28 16 1 19 170 8.9 1 15 1.2 10.6 28 87 0 17 3.1 5.4 1.8 47 5.5 257 1 0 2 1989 26 GNB RB 27 16 0 40 372 9.3 3 38 2.5 23.3 17 69 1 19 4.1 4.3 1.1 57 7.7 441 4 0 4 1990 27 GNB RB 27 14 0 31 293 9.5 1 59 2.2 20.9 17 76 0 18 4.5 5.4 1.2 48 7.7 369 1 1 3 -
Now here's a legit question for you:
Are you upset because you are genuinely upset in the direction the Browns are going, or are you upset because you really look forward to the Draft and once again the air is let out of your Browns Draft Balloon? Or both? (I understand how one could be both)
I'll preface my answer with saying the reason the Browns have the most last place finishes in their division since they returned to the NFL is because they've done the worst in the draft. Free agency and crack-pipe trades has never been the magical catch-up tool. That said, did I tell you if you watch the first Rocky movie 24 times that he finally wins the 24th time you watch it?
My answer is both.
I'll preface my answer with saying the reason the Browns have the most last place finishes in their division since they returned to the NFL is because they've done the worst in the draft. Free agency and crack-pipe trades has never been the magical catch-up tool. That said, did I tell you if you watch the first Rocky movie 24 times that he finally wins the 24th time you watch it?
My answer is both.
Rocky did win. That was the point of the movie.
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Nice !
I thought that kicked tire went flat after the Moore trade.
Schwartz/ Bell & Woods at camp, fights for a roster spot or practice squad bubble.
adding Bill Musgrave's to AVP with Stef calling plays... We'd hope to see the 2020 Deshaun Watson play like it
Bell isn't fighting for a roster spot, barring disaster.
Schwartz and Woods are, dependent on special teams play.
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I'll preface my answer with saying the reason the Browns have the most last place finishes in their division since they returned to the NFL is because they've done the worst in the draft. Free agency and crack-pipe trades has never been the magical catch-up tool. That said, did I tell you if you watch the first Rocky movie 24 times that he finally wins the 24th time you watch it?
My answer is both.
Rocky did win. That was the point of the movie.
Rocky did win. That was the point of the movie.
No, Rocky lost the fight in the original, first installment of the series.
You might want to watch that again, because winning the fight was absolutely not the point of the first Rocky.
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No, Rocky lost the fight in the original, first installment of the series.
You might want to watch that again, because winning the fight was absolutely not the point of the first Rocky.
Yes, I know. My comment was Rocky was a winner. He won because he fought through adversity.
You don't always have to win, to win.
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Does anyone think we might still draft a WR if BPA? Room seems awfully crowded.
The stud TE of my dreams (on field, non-erotic), might be coming back in play.
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No, Rocky lost the fight in the original, first installment of the series.
You might want to watch that again, because winning the fight was absolutely not the point of the first Rocky.
Yes, I know. My comment was Rocky was a winner. He won because he fought through adversity.
You don't always have to win, to win.
Yes, I know. My comment was Rocky was a winner. He won because he fought through adversity.
You don't always have to win, to win.
You lawyers literally cannot just say "Oops, I was wrong" and move on, can you?
Gipper was great at "moving the goalposts" too.
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Does anyone think we might still draft a WR if BPA? Room seems awfully crowded.
The stud TE of my dreams (on field, non-erotic), might be coming back in play.
Does anyone think we might still draft a WR if BPA? Room seems awfully crowded.
The stud TE of my dreams (on field, non-erotic), might be coming back in play.
Part of me thinks it is highly improbable now, but if you think about it, despite all the moves most of them are pretty short-term. Most of the WR room could be gone by this time next year.
Who is the TE of your completely non-sexual dreams?
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Does anyone think we might still draft a WR if BPA? Room seems awfully crowded.
The stud TE of my dreams (on field, non-erotic), might be coming back in play.
Part of me thinks it is highly improbable now, but if you think about it, despite all the moves most of them are pretty short-term. Most of the WR room could be gone by this time next year.
Who is the TE of your completely non-sexual dreams?
Who is the TE of your completely non-sexual dreams?
I'm thinking it's more likely they trade up with some of those extra picks either for another Edge or, "ta da", the fastest RB to come out of college in a number of years who also has hands. One more safety valve option with the ability to take it to the house when receivers create a broken field. Schwartz the dropping machine is a goner.
With the addition of speedy FA WR's I'm already excited to see what this does for the RBs we already have whether or not we add one more RB in the draft.
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Does anyone think we might still draft a WR if BPA? Room seems awfully crowded.
The stud TE of my dreams (on field, non-erotic), might be coming back in play.
Does anyone think we might still draft a WR if BPA? Room seems awfully crowded.
Depends on if they think Peoples Jones is re-sign-able.. Coop & Moore & Bell are really the only 3 options with more than a year on contract left.. I'd have to see Marvin Mims/ Parker Washington or Hyatt still on the board to consider a WR in the 3rd..I like Jonathan Mingo past the 3rd rd.
I'm thinking it's more likely they trade up with some of those extra picks either for another Edge or, "ta da", the fastest RB to come out of college in a number of years who also has hands. One more safety valve option with the ability to take it to the house when receivers create a broken field.
messing with the draft sims.. to get from 74 to mid 50's? cost a 4th/5th & #74..much better depth options at DT & Edge.
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You lawyers literally cannot just say "Oops, I was wrong" and move on, can you?
Gipper was great at "moving the goalposts" too.
I am not moving the posts. I do at times think philosophically and don't always subscript to the concept of Occam's razor.
Think about that for a head scratcher...lol
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No, Rocky lost the fight in the original, first installment of the series.
You might want to watch that again, because winning the fight was absolutely not the point of the first Rocky.
Yes, I know. My comment was Rocky was a winner. He won because he fought through adversity.
You don't always have to win, to win.
Yes, I know. My comment was Rocky was a winner. He won because he fought through adversity.
You don't always have to win, to win.
Overcoming adversity does take a winner so it's not a bad point. Then again, what was the purpose of the sequel that followed the 1st Rocky movie? Fans of the fictional character wanted to see a winner with the heart of a champion finally rewarded with his Championship right? Isn't that what us fans of the Browns have wanted for the Brows to accomplish in the non-fictional world? The 80s was my favorite era following in spite of the heartbreak endings. They kept coming back the next year and it was very admirable. I felt bad for Sipe (13th round draft pick in the early 70s turned NFL MVP at the onset of the 80s) and Byner (10th round pick) that we leaned on heavily until their turnovers in/near the end zone in the closing seconds ended our post seasons. Byner later won a Super Bowl as the work horse for Joe Gibbs. Sipe retired shortly thereafter and went to the USFL.
The fictional movie took place in Philadelphia. Isn't that the same City where the majority of it's fan base booed the selection of QB Donovan McNabb by Andy Reid with their 2nd overall pick? Keep in mind, if the Browns weren't re-entering the league in 99 - Philly would have drafted 1st after finishing with the league's worst record in 98. Anyway, Andy Reid's guy McNabb led the Eagles to the playoffs as early as his 2nd year and all but 1 or 2 years over the next 10 years or so. In that span, they won frequently enough to attend 5 NFC Conference Championships and 1 Super Bowl. Because they lost 4 of the 5 Conference Championships and the 1 Super Bowl - the fans wanted both Andy Reid and Donovan McNabb out. In the non-fictional version of Philly sports fans a very large contingent of their Eagles' fanbase began to call those guys losers and wanted to chase them out of town. When you get to a point where you remain great for a while (we haven't had that since the 80s) there starts to become a divide where many will remain with your "You don't always have to win, to win" and others that start to get hateful or become Steeler fans. The irony of everything is the same Andy Reid a large contingent of Philly's fan base labelled as a loser just led KC to a Super Bowl victory over Philly.
Gipper, Hoorta and I got to meet Mack and Byner at a Browns Backers party in one of the Honky Tonk Saloons in Nashville. That was a fun weekend with those guys. To save them some money I let them stay at my dump. There was all kinds of great SEC matchups on TV that Saturday afternoon and Gipper talked me into going to President James Polk's house. I never realized how smart Gips was outside of our football world. He told me some fascinating stuff about the Kennedys that made the 50 minute trip each way feel like 10 minutes.
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Does anyone think we might still draft a WR if BPA? Room seems awfully crowded.
The stud TE of my dreams (on field, non-erotic), might be coming back in play.
Part of me thinks it is highly improbable now, but if you think about it, despite all the moves most of them are pretty short-term. Most of the WR room could be gone by this time next year.
Who is the TE of your completely non-sexual dreams?
Part of me thinks it is highly improbable now, but if you think about it, despite all the moves most of them are pretty short-term. Most of the WR room could be gone by this time next year.
Who is the TE of your completely non-sexual dreams?
You make a fair point about largely short-term crowdedness of the WR room.
As long as the TE is an 'old-school' type that can block AND catch, like @flugel and me have been beating the old equestrian out of, I'm good. Don't have access to your fancy draft magazines here, but Darnell Washington from those other Dawgs seems to fit the bill.
I'm thinking it's more likely they trade up with some of those extra picks either for another Edge or, "ta da", the fastest RB to come out of college in a number of years who also has hands. One more safety valve option with the ability to take it to the house when receivers create a broken field. Schwartz the dropping machine is a goner.
With the addition of speedy FA WR's I'm already excited to see what this does for the RBs we already have whether or not we add one more RB in the draft.
With all the guys we have been adding, and limited roster space resulting from that, you are not the only one thinking might be packaged or traded out.
Never seeing the WR who 'happens to share his name with the new DC, but will otherwise not be named' in the orange and brown ever again would be one of the satisfying outcomes this period.
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Part of me thinks it is highly improbable now, but if you think about it, despite all the moves most of them are pretty short-term. Most of the WR room could be gone by this time next year.
Who is the TE of your completely non-sexual dreams?
You make a fair point about largely short-term crowdedness of the WR room.
As long as the TE is an 'old-school' type that can block AND catch, like @flugel and me have been beating the old equestrian out of, I'm good. Don't have access to your fancy draft magazines here, but Darnell Washington from those other Dawgs seems to fit the bill.
I'm thinking it's more likely they trade up with some of those extra picks either for another Edge or, "ta da", the fastest RB to come out of college in a number of years who also has hands. One more safety valve option with the ability to take it to the house when receivers create a broken field. Schwartz the dropping machine is a goner.
With the addition of speedy FA WR's I'm already excited to see what this does for the RBs we already have whether or not we add one more RB in the draft.
With all the guys we have been adding, and limited roster space resulting from that, you are not the only one thinking might be packaged or traded out.
Never seeing the WR who 'happens to share his name with the new DC, but will otherwise not be named' in the orange and brown ever again would be one of the satisfying outcomes this period.
All the guys we have been adding, and limited roster space resulting from that, you are not the only one thinking might be packaged or traded out.
Never seeing the WR who 'happens to share his name with the new DC, but will otherwise not be named' in the orange and brown ever again would be one of the satisfying outcomes this period.
And that was written before our latest WR Goodwin addition which makes it even more likely IMO.
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because winning the fight was absolutely not the point of the first Rocky.
i always thought it was a love story
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Does anyone think we might still draft a WR if BPA? Room seems awfully crowded.
The stud TE of my dreams (on field, non-erotic), might be coming back in play.
Does anyone think we might still draft a WR if BPA? Room seems awfully crowded.
The stud TE of my dreams (on field, non-erotic), might be coming back in play.
I don't know why that TE comment got me laughing but thanks man!
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Regarding your dream TE, I'm hearing one of the best blocking TEs in this year's class (Georgia's Darnell Washington) is rumored to be moving on up into 1st to 2nd round consideration. That sucks because he's a dual purpose throwback with good hands that would make our double tight really tough to defend. Not only that, if Wills is struggling - he could also be exactly what Wills needs to help protect our 230 million $ man on the blind side. The good news is this QB only has 1 blind side KD...
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Part of me thinks it is highly improbable now, but if you think about it, despite all the moves most of them are pretty short-term. Most of the WR room could be gone by this time next year.
Who is the TE of your completely non-sexual dreams?
You make a fair point about largely short-term crowdedness of the WR room.
As long as the TE is an 'old-school' type that can block AND catch, like @flugel and me have been beating the old equestrian out of, I'm good. Don't have access to your fancy draft magazines here, but Darnell Washington from those other Dawgs seems to fit the bill.
I'm thinking it's more likely they trade up with some of those extra picks either for another Edge or, "ta da", the fastest RB to come out of college in a number of years who also has hands. One more safety valve option with the ability to take it to the house when receivers create a broken field. Schwartz the dropping machine is a goner.
With the addition of speedy FA WR's I'm already excited to see what this does for the RBs we already have whether or not we add one more RB in the draft.
With all the guys we have been adding, and limited roster space resulting from that, you are not the only one thinking might be packaged or traded out.
Never seeing the WR who 'happens to share his name with the new DC, but will otherwise not be named' in the orange and brown ever again would be one of the satisfying outcomes this period.
With all the guys we have been adding, and limited roster space resulting from that, you are not the only one thinking might be packaged or traded out.
Makes sense right? We've got 8 picks in this draft...6 of 'em last day picks. How many of them can possibly make the team, considering we just signed 9 new players in free agency? ...and traded for another...
As gumby pointed out, draft charts show it'll take our first 3 picks to move up to spot 50 or so. They might want to keep one of the 3rd rounders and package the two 4th & 5th rounders with the other 3rd to move up to the end of round 2 or perhaps up to pick 73 and have 2 picks in a row in round 3.
I suppose it's possible that we could trade out of pick 74 for a 2nd rounder next year. As Dutch pointed out, some of these off season moves seem stop gap....kicking the can down the road.
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I think we might see a trade up, were, who knows? I also think we will see an effort to trade back to gain picks next year.
One would assume all of the guys signed to FA deals will probably make the team. Maybe more on point is almost all will probably make the team. I don't think we signed them with the intent to turn around and cut them. I would imagine most got some sort of bonus to sign.
With that thought in place, how many roster spots will be open? The Fa's will be taking somebodys job. A few can be slotted in to positions where we lost a player, but not all. With 8 draft choices, it will be like throwing away draft picks. The smart move is to push a few of those in to next year as well as some to move up this year. Trading a pick this year for a pick next year usually brings some sort of premium. It may not be a full round of value depending on where people think the picks might fall, but a 4th and 5th this year can become a 3rd next year.
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I think we might see a trade up, were, who knows? I also think we will see an effort to trade back to gain picks next year.
One would assume all of the guys signed to FA deals will probably make the team. Maybe more on point is almost all will probably make the team. I don't think we signed them with the intent to turn around and cut them. I would imagine most got some sort of bonus to sign.
With that thought in place, how many roster spots will be open? The Fa's will be taking somebodys job. A few can be slotted in to positions where we lost a player, but not all. With 8 draft choices, it will be like throwing away draft picks. The smart move is to push a few of those in to next year as well as some to move up this year. Trading a pick this year for a pick next year usually brings some sort of premium. It may not be a full round of value depending on where people think the picks might fall, but a 4th and 5th this year can become a 3rd next year.
With that thought in place, how many roster spots will be open? The Fa's will be taking somebodys job. A few can be slotted in to positions where we lost a player, but not all. With 8 draft choices, it will be like throwing away draft picks.
I could see some of this making sense if we stay put..
1.) L/R FA Guard Wes Martin is rumored the FA, signing w/Browns
2) Can we find our top young needs of DT/Edge/ILB'er falling to #74/98? I can't see Berry cutting Elliott..(yet)..With Tia, more upside with Thomas over Wright.. Will Ioannidis/Robinson be signing anywhere before the draft?
3) Neither Newsome or Ward want to play slot.. Draft/FA slot target needs higher upside than AJ Green
4) Schwartz prefers playing a single high Safety.. It's not on the teams roster past Thornhill/Delpit
5) RB or TE needs a upgraded 3rd.. lowest 2 draft/FA needs imo
edit- roster link.. https://247sports.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/LongFormArticle/Predicting-The-Cleveland-Browns-53-Man-Roster-207120421/#207120421_13
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I don't see 8 rookies, but money is a consideration when looking at the long term health of the salary cap.
I suppose it is possible. That said I would still like to see some draft capitol moved up or go ahead and bank some for next year.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
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