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  • KvoetheK Kvoethe

    We got a D draft grade!!  Wooooo!!  Bringin the pain!!

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    @kvoethe said:

    We got a D draft grade!!  Wooooo!!  Bringin the pain!!

    LOL. Yep - draft grades at this point, though, are nonsense. If teams draft great, and the players do great, it was a great draft. Trouble is, what often looks like an "A" can turn out to be a "D" or even an "F".

       So many years, so many high hopes. So many picks that seemed like great picks, turn out to be crap picks. Basically, it's the big step up to the pros that divides the loser draftees who don't love the game, etc, from the guys drafted who love the game, have the work ethic to prove it by becoming the best they can be.

      The Browns' problem - seems to me - has been they didn't take love for the game into consideration - they drafted on college ratings and physical profiles - like flips of a coin with their hits/misses. Look at the history:

    https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/cle/draft.htm

    braylon edwards, for just one example. Should have been a star wr every year. but his head was screwed on wrong.

    Time will tell the actual grade. I thought the Browns drafted a Tyreek Hill. But he was only a track star who didn't love football. Just wasn't a football player. etc etc.

        So, outside of the fact that the Browns STUPIDLY don't have their first round pick AGAIN next year - and traded their second round pick away (the trade itself was a good one) - maybe, just maybe, the Browns had an "A" draft if they didn't get any duds. TIme will tell the grades.

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      @dutch-oven said:

      Kvoethe is a troll. Facts don't matter to trolls. He's the type of guy that trolls the Browns game threads when they are losing, disappears from sight when they are winning. The guy used to do the same nonsense on the Tavern, too. ? 

      Wins matter and you are a creepy internet stalker.

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      @kvoethe said:

      Wins matter and you are a creepy internet stalker.

      You literally are nowhere to be found when the Browns win, troll.

      But hey, you got a like from another "Browns fan" who literally is rooting for them to lose in calfox. Good for you! ? With some luck, nickers will too! 

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        @kvoethe said:

        Wins matter and you are a creepy internet stalker.

        You literally are nowhere to be found when the Browns win, troll.

        But hey, you got a like from another "Browns fan" who literally is rooting for them to lose in calfox. Good for you! ? With some luck, nickers will too! 

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        KvoetheK Kvoethe wrote on last edited by Kvoethe
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        @dutch-oven said:

        You literally are nowhere to be found when the Browns win, troll.

        But hey, you got a like from another "Browns fan" who literally is rooting for them to lose in calfox. Good for you! ? With some luck, nickers will too! 

        Slowin down stalker...you are usually quicker with your witty stalker garbage

        30 minutes...

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          KvoetheK Kvoethe wrote on last edited by
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          Much quicker Dutch...just an emoji...

          Left handed right?  Other one on little dutch?

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            Much quicker Dutch...just an emoji...

            Left handed right?  Other one on little dutch?

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            Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on last edited by
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            @kvoethe said:

            Much quicker Dutch...just an emoji...

            Left handed right?  Other one on little dutch?

            It's always fun to watch when a troll suddenly is all in his feelings. 

            Maybe next time! ?

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              OrionO Orion wrote on last edited by
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              Reason for concern?

              Hmm....I'm not really sure.   It's voluntary...it's just working out....I guess.....

              BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE
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                @dutch-oven said:

                You literally are nowhere to be found when the Browns win, troll.

                But hey, you got a like from another "Browns fan" who literally is rooting for them to lose in calfox. Good for you! ? With some luck, nickers will too! 

                Slowin down stalker...you are usually quicker with your witty stalker garbage

                30 minutes...

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                @kvoethe said:

                Slowin down stalker...you are usually quicker with your witty stalker garbage

                30 minutes...

                He's the Forum Asshole , Hands down... Ass up!

                Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~
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                  @kvoethe said:

                  Slowin down stalker...you are usually quicker with your witty stalker garbage

                  30 minutes...

                  He's the Forum Asshole , Hands down... Ass up!

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                  Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on last edited by
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                  @nickers said:

                  He's the Forum Asshole , Hands down... Ass up!

                  nickers has been very cranky this weekend.

                  I'm guessing that hot mom of his grounded him again. 

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                    KvoetheK Kvoethe wrote on last edited by
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                    4 minutes Nickers.  He clapped back...musta been between rub and tugs.  

                    Starting stalking timer...

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                    • W Westside Steve

                      I love the guy and don't worry about dedication. Just a little bit worried whenever off season training gets skipped because it seems like guys are getting hurt a lot more often these days. Don't know if there's a correlation or how strong.

                      https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2023/4/26/23698408/daily-dawg-chow-4-26-cleveland-browns-kevin-stefanski-deshaun-watson-myles-garrett-nick-chubb-njoku

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                      @westside-steve said:

                      I love the guy and don't worry about dedication. Just a little bit worried whenever off season training gets skipped because it seems like guys are getting hurt a lot more often these days. Don't know if there's a correlation or how strong.

                      https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2023/4/26/23698408/daily-dawg-chow-4-26-cleveland-browns-kevin-stefanski-deshaun-watson-myles-garrett-nick-chubb-njoku

                      the article is there and i would not worry about nick could be he just had something going on

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                        @westside-steve said:

                        I love the guy and don't worry about dedication. Just a little bit worried whenever off season training gets skipped because it seems like guys are getting hurt a lot more often these days. Don't know if there's a correlation or how strong.

                        https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2023/4/26/23698408/daily-dawg-chow-4-26-cleveland-browns-kevin-stefanski-deshaun-watson-myles-garrett-nick-chubb-njoku

                        the article is there and i would not worry about nick could be he just had something going on

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                        nickersN nickers wrote on last edited by
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                        @syd said:

                        the article is there and i would not worry about nick could be he just had something going on

                        I'm not worried either...But becoming a pass heavy team cannot be encouraging to him...

                        Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~
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                          @syd said:

                          the article is there and i would not worry about nick could be he just had something going on

                          I'm not worried either...But becoming a pass heavy team cannot be encouraging to him...

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                          @nickers said:

                          I'm not worried either...But becoming a pass heavy team cannot be encouraging to him...

                          you still need a run game and Nick is the best around and i am sure he want's that ring 

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                            4 minutes Nickers.  He clapped back...musta been between rub and tugs.  

                            Starting stalking timer...

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                            @kvoethe said:

                            4 minutes Nickers.  He clapped back...musta been between rub and tugs.  

                            Starting stalking timer...

                            Without doubt, the two most humorous things about trolls are:

                            1. How incredibly easy it is to troll a troll, and...

                            2. How incredibly pissed off trolls get when this happens. ?

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                              @nickers said:

                              I'm not worried either...But becoming a pass heavy team cannot be encouraging to him...

                              you still need a run game and Nick is the best around and i am sure he want's that ring 

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                              OrionO Orion wrote on last edited by
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                              @syd said:

                              you still need a run game

                              As long as the run is successful I'm sure we will use it.  Becoming a better, more effective and more respected passing team would not hurt Nick's YPC.  

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                                @kvoethe said:

                                Slowin down stalker...you are usually quicker with your witty stalker garbage

                                30 minutes...

                                He's the Forum Asshole , Hands down... Ass up!

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                                @nickers said:

                                He's the Forum Asshole , Hands down... Ass up!

                                actually i believe that award go's to you nickers

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                                  @syd said:

                                  you still need a run game

                                  As long as the run is successful I'm sure we will use it.  Becoming a better, more effective and more respected passing team would not hurt Nick's YPC.  

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                                  @orion said:

                                  As long as the run is successful I'm sure we will use it.  Becoming a better, more effective and more respected passing team would not hurt Nick's YPC.  

                                  I agree it will not and I am also looking forward to see what  Ford brings to the game

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                                    @orion said:

                                    As long as the run is successful I'm sure we will use it.  Becoming a better, more effective and more respected passing team would not hurt Nick's YPC.  

                                    I agree it will not and I am also looking forward to see what  Ford brings to the game

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                                    @syd said:

                                    I agree it will not and I am also looking forward to see what  Ford brings to the game

                                    Yeah, it was a small sample size, but the kid looked good on kickoff returns at the end of the season.

                                    And I think he could - possibly easily - be an upgrade over what Hunt brought the team, especially as the season wore on. 

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                                      I agree it will not and I am also looking forward to see what  Ford brings to the game

                                      Yeah, it was a small sample size, but the kid looked good on kickoff returns at the end of the season.

                                      And I think he could - possibly easily - be an upgrade over what Hunt brought the team, especially as the season wore on. 

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                                      @dutch-oven said:

                                      Yeah, it was a small sample size, but the kid looked good on kickoff returns at the end of the season.

                                      And I think he could - possibly easily - be an upgrade over what Hunt brought the team, especially as the season wore on. 

                                      ya it sucks about Hunt Damn he was just a angry back (i loved the guy) but there is just so much in the tank and his ran out it seams 

                                      #34 I hope is the next man up

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                                        I love the guy and don't worry about dedication. Just a little bit worried whenever off season training gets skipped because it seems like guys are getting hurt a lot more often these days. Don't know if there's a correlation or how strong.

                                        https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2023/4/26/23698408/daily-dawg-chow-4-26-cleveland-browns-kevin-stefanski-deshaun-watson-myles-garrett-nick-chubb-njoku

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                                        ballpeenB ballpeen wrote on last edited by
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                                        @westside-steve said:

                                        I love the guy and don't worry about dedication. Just a little bit worried whenever off season training gets skipped because it seems like guys are getting hurt a lot more often these days. Don't know if there's a correlation or how strong.

                                        https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2023/4/26/23698408/daily-dawg-chow-4-26-cleveland-browns-kevin-stefanski-deshaun-watson-myles-garrett-nick-chubb-njoku

                                        I don't think Nick has done the off season stuff in Cleveland for several years.  He goes back to his High School in Cedartown, Ga. and works out there with the HS team.  Sort of a give back deal.   

                                        He gets his work in.  I know some vid made the rounds of him squatting 600 lbs last year or the year before.

                                        If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
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                                          @ghoolie-always-ghoolie said:

                                          When I was a kid, my asshole parents forced me into accordion competitions. In all humility, if there was such a thing as a badass accordion player, it was me. While dickheads were presenting mundane Lawrence Welk shit, I was ripping off Flight of the Bumble Bee

                                          One particular competition, held at a school found each kid in his own room, practicing the piece they were about to perform.

                                          My teacher, a true Maestro, kept my accordion until 2 minutes before I went up on stage. That was my warm up, and in the room, he gave me a Mad Magazine to read.

                                          Chubb doesn't need this off season bullshit. He is the best runner in the NFL. What he needs is a coach who know how to use him and punish opposing defenses from the very opening drive.

                                          What he has now is an assfuck who puts the guy into obvious run situations over and oclver and over.

                                          Chubb has practiced his entire life. He will.tune up when camp starts. Guys need a life. No amount of off season drills are going to make Stefanski a good head coach. 

                                          Spot on , Ghoolie!

                                          Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~
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