Kareem Hunt / He will play Sunday !
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Regarding the bold 'peen If Watson doesn't start playing at least 1\2 decently WERE SCREWED. To the tune of the $195 million guaranteed we'll still owe him to get him here. That contract is going to be a cap busting albatross if he flops.
Regarding Chubb- looks like that was a shades of Willis McGahee destruction of his knee. Just saw they're now talking two separate surgeries to repair it.
The two separate surgeries isn’t actually a bad thing. It’s separate for meniscus and separate to repair the ligaments. They seem to believe that repairing them separately is better for faster rehab. So not that they can’t do it in one, but that it’s actually better to do it separately.
The two separate surgeries isn’t actually a bad thing. It’s separate for meniscus and separate to repair the ligaments. They seem to believe that repairing them separately is better for faster rehab. So not that they can’t do it in one, but that it’s actually better to do it separately.
I just hope by the time he comes back it won't be too late.
This was to be his sixth NFL season, which means he might come back during his seventh, and probably wouldn't be, if he ever is, 100% until his eight NFL season.
So frustrating. Sigh.
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I may be in the minority here, but I think Ford is the RB1 with Hunt repeating his RB2 role. Hunt looked done last season.. because he likely is.
Ford was RB3 in his draft year. He was an Alabama recruit who transferred to Cincy for more PT.. which should be to his positive because he has less wear on the wheels.
I may be in the minority here, but I think Ford is the RB1 with Hunt repeating his RB2 role. Hunt looked done last season.. because he likely is.
Ford was RB3 in his draft year. He was an Alabama recruit who transferred to Cincy for more PT.. which should be to his positive because he has less wear on the wheels.
You might be correct on this, and I agree, I thought Hunt looked pedestrian last year. His yards per carry and yards per reception were both career-low.
Some thought he lost a step, but to me it looked like he literally was playing blind. I don't know how many times he'd take the handoff and run with his hair on fire right into one of his OLineman's backsides.
Yet I won't lie, I'm glad to see him back. I'm a damn sentimentalist, I suppose.
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I like Hunt as well, but he did lose a step last season. He is good, but isn't going to carry a team.
I agree with something you said. Browns fans are pretty good and not wanting to be impressed. lol
The reality is Chubb is done for this year for sure, and there is a good chance for good. He is like Joe Thomas, you aren't going to replace the guy. As fans, we have to move on and accept whatever the replacement can give because for many, no matter what the player brings it just isn't going to be good enough.
I like Hunt as well, but he did lose a step last season. He is good, but isn't going to carry a team.
I agree with something you said. Browns fans are pretty good and not wanting to be impressed. lol
The reality is Chubb is done for this year for sure, and there is a good chance for good. He is like Joe Thomas, you aren't going to replace the guy. As fans, we have to move on and accept whatever the replacement can give because for many, no matter what the player brings it just isn't going to be good enough.
Just remember.. OJ Anderson wasn't fast and bull dozed his way to a championship with Bill Parcells.
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Ottis Anderson, like Hunt, was all-pro his first season and it's all downhill from there. Only 220#, he played for the Cardinals for 7.5 years before going to NYG mid-season 1986.. where he was a backup to Joe Morris until 1988. Joe Morris, incidentally, ended his career in Cleveland as a 3.1 ypa backup in 1991.
Ottis was also 3.1 ypa basically every year in NY. That super bowl year, Rodney Hampton was 4.2, Meggett was 7.5.. even ancient Phil Simms was above 4.0 when he scrambled. Ottis somehow had a 3.5ypa that season but his entire time in NY [before and after] he was just a plugger backup.
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Ottis Anderson, like Hunt, was all-pro his first season and it's all downhill from there. Only 220#, he played for the Cardinals for 7.5 years before going to NYG mid-season 1986.. where he was a backup to Joe Morris until 1988. Joe Morris, incidentally, ended his career in Cleveland as a 3.1 ypa backup in 1991.
Ottis was also 3.1 ypa basically every year in NY. That super bowl year, Rodney Hampton was 4.2, Meggett was 7.5.. even ancient Phil Simms was above 4.0 when he scrambled. Ottis somehow had a 3.5ypa that season but his entire time in NY [before and after] he was just a plugger backup.
Ottis Anderson, like Hunt, was all-pro his first season and it's all downhill from there. Only 220#, he played for the Cardinals for 7.5 years before going to NYG mid-season 1986.. where he was a backup to Joe Morris until 1988. Joe Morris, incidentally, ended his career in Cleveland as a 3.1 ypa backup in 1991.
Ottis was also 3.1 ypa basically every year in NY. That super bowl year, Rodney Hampton was 4.2, Meggett was 7.5.. even ancient Phil Simms was above 4.0 when he scrambled. Ottis somehow had a 3.5ypa that season but his entire time in NY [before and after] he was just a plugger backup.
He was the epitome of 3 yards and a cloud of dust.. He was by no means elite.. But BP squeezed every ounce out of him...
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He will play Sunday !
Running back Kareem Hunt just re-signed with the Browns on Wednesday after the team lost Nick Chubb to a season-ending knee injury.
Hunt is already set to make his 2023 debut on Sunday against the Titans.
"," head coach Kevin Stefanski said in his Friday press conference. "He’s ready to play. He’s in good shape. I think how much and doing what, we’ll determine that over the next 48 hours. But I think he’s comfortable with everything that we have up."
Hunt rushed for 468 yards with three touchdowns and caught 35 passes for 210 yards with a TD last year for Cleveland.
Though Hunt has returned, Jerome Ford is still set to be the team’s starting running back. Stefanski called him a “diligent worker” on Friday.
“I go back to the spring and I think I’ve told you guys, I was very, very impressed with how he handled the spring — mentally, physically,” Stefanski said. “Really jumped into that role as a protector and understand all of the things that go with protection. Catches the ball well. So, had a good spring and he’s always prepared himself for these roles.
“I think Jerome is an example of a guy who’s always been ready.”
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If Hunt gets a majority of the snaps from here on out, I predict he will have a pro-bowl season. This is right in his wheelhouse. Since the offense passes more, it should play to Hunt being a dual threat. That's if Shitmypantski actually uses him the right way. Hunt always wanted that starting gig, now is his chance. Hunt is clearly the better back.
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If Hunt gets a majority of the snaps from here on out, I predict he will have a pro-bowl season. This is right in his wheelhouse. Since the offense passes more, it should play to Hunt being a dual threat. That's if Shitmypantski actually uses him the right way. Hunt always wanted that starting gig, now is his chance. Hunt is clearly the better back.
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If Hunt gets a majority of the snaps from here on out, I predict he will have a pro-bowl season. This is right in his wheelhouse. Since the offense passes more, it should play to Hunt being a dual threat. That's if Shitmypantski actually uses him the right way. Hunt always wanted that starting gig, now is his chance. Hunt is clearly the better back.
That's if Shitmypantski actually uses him the right way.
How's the Optimists Club membership working out for ya??
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Hunt catches the ball out of the backfield and I don't think he's fumbled but three times in his career. He has a high motor.He gives a second and third effort. The sooner he's in there the better.
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Ford is the lead back and should be. He played well.
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Hunt looked explosive in the limited touches he’s had, defenitely wanna see more. Wouldn’t mind more 2RB sets too - even without Chubb.
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Ford is the lead back and should be. He played well.
Ford had 10 carries for 18 yards (with a 9 yard long...so he had 9 other carries for 9 yards). And early on he dropped a desperation, save-the-play pass by Watson...which would've been an easy catch for my 9 yr old grandson.
In Ford's defense, the Titans are tough to run on and none of our RB's did much better. But Hunt made a nice catch of a high pass on a middle screen and followed his blockers nicely to convert a 3rd down late in the game.
So, it reads like I'm down on Ford...when in reality I'm not. I just don't see him as a proven commodity...and I see Hunt as a league leading rusher with experience in the league.
Ford's been here all of TC & preseason, although he didn't really play in any preseason games he's earned his spot in the backfield in Chubbs absence. I just have more trust in Hunt.
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Ford is the lead back and should be. He played well.
Ford had 10 carries for 18 yards (with a 9 yard long...so he had 9 other carries for 9 yards). And early on he dropped a desperation, save-the-play pass by Watson...which would've been an easy catch for my 9 yr old grandson.
In Ford's defense, the Titans are tough to run on and none of our RB's did much better. But Hunt made a nice catch of a high pass on a middle screen and followed his blockers nicely to convert a 3rd down late in the game.
So, it reads like I'm down on Ford...when in reality I'm not. I just don't see him as a proven commodity...and I see Hunt as a league leading rusher with experience in the league.
Ford's been here all of TC & preseason, although he didn't really play in any preseason games he's earned his spot in the backfield in Chubbs absence. I just have more trust in Hunt.
Ford had 10 carries for 18 yards (with a 9 yard long...so he had 9 other carries for 9 yards). And early on he dropped a desperation, save-the-play pass by Watson...which would've been an easy catch for my 9 yr old grandson.
In Ford's defense, the Titans are tough to run on and none of our RB's did much better. But Hunt made a nice catch of a high pass on a middle screen and followed his blockers nicely to convert a 3rd down late in the game.
So, it reads like I'm down on Ford...when in reality I'm not. I just don't see him as a proven commodity...and I see Hunt as a league leading rusher with experience in the league.
Ford's been here all of TC & preseason, although he didn't really play in any preseason games he's earned his spot in the backfield in Chubbs absence. I just have more trust in Hunt.
I am not saying Ford is a proven commodity. I am just saying he is the lead back and should be for a while.
Hunt was a FA for a long time. Nobody signed him. I don't buy this idea he was just waiting on us to sign. If he had any kind of decent offer, he would have signed. He is a football player. Where else is he going to make $800,000 a year or whatever his minimum might be?
I do like Hunt. he will be a good back with Watson at QB where I don't think Chubb was. Hunt is a good stand a take the handoff back where Chubb need a running start so to speak.
We drafted Ford to end up the lead back....the time is here. No doubt it will take several games to gain the confidence...then we find out. As you said, the Titans are as good against the run as we are, the raves are tough, and so are the Niners. I could take a while, then we find out if he is the guy or not.
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Hunt looked explosive in the limited touches he’s had, defenitely wanna see more. Wouldn’t mind more 2RB sets too - even without Chubb.
Hunt looked explosive in the limited touches he’s had, defenitely wanna see more. Wouldn’t mind more 2RB sets too - even without Chubb.
Miami had several two back sets with Mostert and Achane against Denver. The track meet was on with multiple misdirection crossing of those two in the backfield with some real handy misdirecting handoffs/fakes by tua. It was an offense of beauty. Denver was guessing all game long and tua was paying close attention to what the LBs were biting on while making the decision on who actually got the ball and who carried out the fake as if they had it. I'd like Stef to review that game and incorporate what they did with Ford, Hunt and DW. We have speedy enough players there to pull it off too.
Since most here hate Denver anyway, I'd advise you to go watch what Miami was doing to them. Absolute confusion in the Denver D 90% of the time in the two back Miami offense. And when confusion reigns, speed kills. I think we can do that too.
EDIT: And occasionally Hill would come flying around all 3 to add to the confusion. So much fun to watch them run it.
EDIT #2: 8am EDT: Just watched Good Morning Football explaining the unreal motions pre-snap and during the Dolphins Offense using the two backs and WRs to totally "blitz" the Broncos with confusing plays. Everything I said with video backup.
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Ford is the lead back and should be. He played well.
Ford had 10 carries for 18 yards (with a 9 yard long...so he had 9 other carries for 9 yards). And early on he dropped a desperation, save-the-play pass by Watson...which would've been an easy catch for my 9 yr old grandson.
In Ford's defense, the Titans are tough to run on and none of our RB's did much better. But Hunt made a nice catch of a high pass on a middle screen and followed his blockers nicely to convert a 3rd down late in the game.
So, it reads like I'm down on Ford...when in reality I'm not. I just don't see him as a proven commodity...and I see Hunt as a league leading rusher with experience in the league.
Ford's been here all of TC & preseason, although he didn't really play in any preseason games he's earned his spot in the backfield in Chubbs absence. I just have more trust in Hunt.
Ford had 10 carries for 18 yards (with a 9 yard long...so he had 9 other carries for 9 yards). And early on he dropped a desperation, save-the-play pass by Watson...which would've been an easy catch for my 9 yr old grandson.
In Ford's defense, the Titans are tough to run on and none of our RB's did much better. But Hunt made a nice catch of a high pass on a middle screen and followed his blockers nicely to convert a 3rd down late in the game.
So, it reads like I'm down on Ford...when in reality I'm not. I just don't see him as a proven commodity...and I see Hunt as a league leading rusher with experience in the league.
Ford's been here all of TC & preseason, although he didn't really play in any preseason games he's earned his spot in the backfield in Chubbs absence. I just have more trust in Hunt.
I'm not sure if a lot of people know this but Ford had a pulled hamstring throughout most of training camp. He didn't get any practice reps, which gave others an opportunity to prove they were better. The GOOD part of that (after fumbling in the red zone vrs Cincy) - the legs were healthy enough to out-run several guys that had ideal pursuit angles on him after he reversed his field. The only guy left way back in the 3rd tier of the defense was a Safety (Fitzpatrick) that could only dive at Ford's ankles from behind in desperation. It tripped Ford up but the Browns got a 1st and goal 3" shy of the goal line. The Browns scored shortly there after. Long story short, Ford's legs were there for the big play Cleveland needed on offense. He also got loose in the passing game for a TD against the TN Titans.
I don't mind the sharing of reps between Ford and Hunt with Strong getting some reps while Hunt is getting back into football shape. What I don't want is our situational personnel tipping off the tendency (when/if the down and distance isn't already doing that). I realize that might be asking a lot; but opponents seemed extremely well prepared for the specific things the Browns wanted Hunt to do last year. There wasn't a lot variety while the strength in numbers at the point of attack often favored the defense when he got the ball. Some of that was just coincidence; but a lot of it left a lot to be desired in the offensive design/plan/play-calling. I LIKED what I saw from Hunt on Sunday especially given the reality he was unemployed until last week. Our top 2 RBs (Ford & Hunt) had different situations keeping them from training camp/preseason reps while newcomer (via trade with NE) Pierre Strong got the most reps and preseason game action.
This season is just getting going; but I'll stay hopeful thinking we have good roles for all 3 RBs. Given what I just talked about - that might be a good thing. Too much too soon for Ford or Hunt could lead to soft tissue injuries/pulled muscles. NE was actually preparing Strong to be their 3rd down RB this year before they traded him to the Browns and went after Zeke Elliott.
Somewhere in an old thread I shared a video of the 20 TDs Ford scored in his final season at the U of Cincy. He was their biggest weapon the ONLY year that program made the BCS Playoffs (Final 4). He's a big play guy. In just 3 games with the Browns and only 1 start (in a committee of 3) - Ford has 1 rushing TD and 2 Receiving TDs. His biggest concern at this point? Game experience. Just add what we can get from Hunt and I like our chances to get better every week running the ball or seeing our backs catching passes out of the backfield. Me like swing passes/wheel routes from our RBs when opponents are getting aggressive on the edges. We have to find something that can remind defenses that type aggressive scheme can be a risk to them. The era has changed but I still feel you can find some vulnerabilities being innovative and proactive. It has to be better than the fetal position surrender we gave Pittsburgh. Aside from the RBs running routes, a WR with the guts and hands of a Brian Brennan crossing the middle to challenge the hook zones could work well in tandem.
Let's see what happens... 1 thing I'd really like to see is the team dedicating the rest of this season to Nick Chubb. In fact, I'd love to see CHUBB written on the upper back of every player's jersey on this team.
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Ford had 10 carries for 18 yards (with a 9 yard long...so he had 9 other carries for 9 yards). And early on he dropped a desperation, save-the-play pass by Watson...which would've been an easy catch for my 9 yr old grandson.
In Ford's defense, the Titans are tough to run on and none of our RB's did much better. But Hunt made a nice catch of a high pass on a middle screen and followed his blockers nicely to convert a 3rd down late in the game.
So, it reads like I'm down on Ford...when in reality I'm not. I just don't see him as a proven commodity...and I see Hunt as a league leading rusher with experience in the league.
Ford's been here all of TC & preseason, although he didn't really play in any preseason games he's earned his spot in the backfield in Chubbs absence. I just have more trust in Hunt.
I'm not sure if a lot of people know this but Ford had a pulled hamstring throughout most of training camp. He didn't get any practice reps, which gave others an opportunity to prove they were better. The GOOD part of that (after fumbling in the red zone vrs Cincy) - the legs were healthy enough to out-run several guys that had ideal pursuit angles on him after he reversed his field. The only guy left way back in the 3rd tier of the defense was a Safety (Fitzpatrick) that could only dive at Ford's ankles from behind in desperation. It tripped Ford up but the Browns got a 1st and goal 3" shy of the goal line. The Browns scored shortly there after. Long story short, Ford's legs were there for the big play Cleveland needed on offense. He also got loose in the passing game for a TD against the TN Titans.
I don't mind the sharing of reps between Ford and Hunt with Strong getting some reps while Hunt is getting back into football shape. What I don't want is our situational personnel tipping off the tendency (when/if the down and distance isn't already doing that). I realize that might be asking a lot; but opponents seemed extremely well prepared for the specific things the Browns wanted Hunt to do last year. There wasn't a lot variety while the strength in numbers at the point of attack often favored the defense when he got the ball. Some of that was just coincidence; but a lot of it left a lot to be desired in the offensive design/plan/play-calling. I LIKED what I saw from Hunt on Sunday especially given the reality he was unemployed until last week. Our top 2 RBs (Ford & Hunt) had different situations keeping them from training camp/preseason reps while newcomer (via trade with NE) Pierre Strong got the most reps and preseason game action.
This season is just getting going; but I'll stay hopeful thinking we have good roles for all 3 RBs. Given what I just talked about - that might be a good thing. Too much too soon for Ford or Hunt could lead to soft tissue injuries/pulled muscles. NE was actually preparing Strong to be their 3rd down RB this year before they traded him to the Browns and went after Zeke Elliott.
Somewhere in an old thread I shared a video of the 20 TDs Ford scored in his final season at the U of Cincy. He was their biggest weapon the ONLY year that program made the BCS Playoffs (Final 4). He's a big play guy. In just 3 games with the Browns and only 1 start (in a committee of 3) - Ford has 1 rushing TD and 2 Receiving TDs. His biggest concern at this point? Game experience. Just add what we can get from Hunt and I like our chances to get better every week running the ball or seeing our backs catching passes out of the backfield. Me like swing passes/wheel routes from our RBs when opponents are getting aggressive on the edges. We have to find something that can remind defenses that type aggressive scheme can be a risk to them. The era has changed but I still feel you can find some vulnerabilities being innovative and proactive. It has to be better than the fetal position surrender we gave Pittsburgh. Aside from the RBs running routes, a WR with the guts and hands of a Brian Brennan crossing the middle to challenge the hook zones could work well in tandem.
Let's see what happens... 1 thing I'd really like to see is the team dedicating the rest of this season to Nick Chubb. In fact, I'd love to see CHUBB written on the upper back of every player's jersey on this team.
The era has changed but I still feel you can find some vulnerabilities being innovative and proactive. It has to be better than a fetal position surrender we gave Pittsburgh. Aside from the RBs running routes, a WR with the guts and hands of a Brian Brennan crossing the middle to challenge the hook zones could work well in tandem.
Let's see what happens... 1 thing I'd really like to see is the team dedicating the rest of this season to Nick Chubb. In fact, I'd love to see CHUBB written on the upper back of every player's jersey on this team.
Tom I'd strongly recommend you watch the Miami Offensive plays from Sunday. Innovative and proactive would be an understatement. Good Morning Football still talking about it as I type.
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The era has changed but I still feel you can find some vulnerabilities being innovative and proactive. It has to be better than a fetal position surrender we gave Pittsburgh. Aside from the RBs running routes, a WR with the guts and hands of a Brian Brennan crossing the middle to challenge the hook zones could work well in tandem.
Let's see what happens... 1 thing I'd really like to see is the team dedicating the rest of this season to Nick Chubb. In fact, I'd love to see CHUBB written on the upper back of every player's jersey on this team.
Tom I'd strongly recommend you watch the Miami Offensive plays from Sunday. Innovative and proactive would be an understatement. Good Morning Football still talking about it as I type.
Tom I'd strongly recommend you watch the Miami Offensive plays from Sunday. Innovative and proactive would be an understatement. Good Morning Football still talking about it as I type.
I believe you Aggies! I've seen the replays numerous times since that game ended. It was very impressive. Your A&M guy (Achane) couldn't be in a better situation.
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