Israel part 2
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So the ruskies and Ukraine easy enough to figure out. Russia wants the port with which to ship their Energy Products to the Europeans who despite our doing the having Lifting for their defense or happy to buy. And they don't want NATO missiles on their border.
Israel got West Bank and Georgia after they were attacked and drove out a fairly substantial bunch of enemies. They don't want Hezbollah or Islamic Jihad or Muslim Brotherhood nukes On the Border of Tel Aviv for jerusalem. The Arabs just want to take back that land that they lost. Just for spite? What's your take boys?
WSS
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The palestinian claim is bogus. It's just a screwed up excuse to hate the Jews. Back in the day, the UN was going to give the Israelis their own state, and was going to give the arabic folks their own state.
However, the arabic peoples refused to have their own state, because it would be next to Israel. They wanted the Israelis to not have a state at all, they wanted it ALL for themselves.
They didn't lose anything, they refused to have a state. and those same extreme hater palestinians refused to go live in Israel because they hated. The palestinians destroyed their own futures out of their cultural/religious hatred for all Jews.
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The Jewish state of Israel, established in 1948, endured, and the Palestinian Arabs, who could have had their own state, remained stateless. Since then, the Palestinians have repeatedly...
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The UN Partition Plan, had it been accepted by the Palestinians, would have created a state for them. The 2014 negotiations facilitated by Secretary of State John Kerry, also could have led to a ...
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furthermore, back in 2005, we told libs around here - that to give up the gaza strip was not going to bring peace, but will eventually be used to stage war against Israel again.
This hama attack has been planned for many years - it started on the anniversary of some war/battle that was monumental for them.
Giving up Gaza was a huge mistake. Israel is now paying the price for going ahead and sticking their necks out for peace.
George W. Bush - it was a mistake. There will never be peace - the arabs refuse peace.
https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/the-gaza-disengagement-just-died-what-happens-next/
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So the ruskies and Ukraine easy enough to figure out. Russia wants the port with which to ship their Energy Products to the Europeans who despite our doing the having Lifting for their defense or happy to buy. And they don't want NATO missiles on their border.
Israel got West Bank and Georgia after they were attacked and drove out a fairly substantial bunch of enemies. They don't want Hezbollah or Islamic Jihad or Muslim Brotherhood nukes On the Border of Tel Aviv for jerusalem. The Arabs just want to take back that land that they lost. Just for spite? What's your take boys?
WSS
So the ruskies and Ukraine easy enough to figure out. Russia wants the port with which to ship their Energy Products to the Europeans who despite our doing the having Lifting for their defense or happy to buy. And they don't want NATO missiles on their border.
Israel got West Bank and Georgia after they were attacked and drove out a fairly substantial bunch of enemies. They don't want Hezbollah or Islamic Jihad or Muslim Brotherhood nukes On the Border of Tel Aviv for Jerusalem. The Arabs just want to take back that land that they lost. Just for spite? What's your take boys?
WSS
MHO Steve? The Muslims and (their pagan predecessors) and our Semitic friends have have hated each other for millennia. I don't know the reason exactly why, but I don't expect it to end anytime soon. Their eventual goal is to wipe Israel off the map. What's stunning to me is the massive failure of Israel's Intelligence community. Like how in the HELL was Hamas able to smuggle thousands of rockets into the Gaza strip totally undetected?
Just a little dig at the GOP hardliners who want to cut off aid to Ukraine.. A FYI
"The United States already provides Israel more than $3 billion in military assistance every year, Mr. Blinken said that much of the equipment from that funding is already “in the pipeline” to be sent to Israel.
Hmmmm.... Ukraine doesn't matter, but Israel does? Just sayin'.
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PS that Americans were killed- doesn't surprise me. I'm certain at any given time, there's dozens of US religious pilgrim groups touring the sites in the Holy Land. I just hope those who are most likely still in the country are able to get out of Dodge before more missiles start flying.
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PS that Americans were killed- doesn't surprise me. I'm certain at any given time, there's dozens of US religious pilgrim groups touring the sites in the Holy Land. I just hope those who are most likely still in the country are able to get out of Dodge before more missiles start flying.
PS that Americans were killed- doesn't surprise me. I'm certain at any given time, there's dozens of US religious pilgrim groups touring the sites in the Holy Land. I just hope those who are most likely still in the country are able to get out of Dodge before more missiles start flying.
Newsflash Larry, the missiles are already flying.
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PS that Americans were killed- doesn't surprise me. I'm certain at any given time, there's dozens of US religious pilgrim groups touring the sites in the Holy Land. I just hope those who are most likely still in the country are able to get out of Dodge before more missiles start flying.
PS that Americans were killed- doesn't surprise me. I'm certain at any given time, there's dozens of US religious pilgrim groups touring the sites in the Holy Land. I just hope those who are most likely still in the country are able to get out of Dodge before more missiles start flying.
A lot of dual citizen Americans.
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Steve, ultimately, it's because someone thought the picture below was a good idea. Really, the last domino to fall was probably Trump's Abraham Accords. With the accord, MbS and the Saudis basically washed their hands of the Palestinian cause and Palestine was the big loser from it. MbS got a ton of hate from the West because he ordered the hit of NYT journalist, but MbS also jailed thousands of the batshit crazy wahhabists and removed just about all of their influence from the Saudi government.
The Abraham Accords pushed the Palestinians even further into the corner. The only hope for the leadership in Hamas is to drag the whole Middle East into a holy war. The next few months will not be fun for anyone in Gaza, as IDF is already dropping JDAMs on residential highrises. I truly believe that Israel is targeting high value Hamas targets, but they also don't really care about the collateral damage. There are two million people in Gaza - not all of them are in Hamas (though Hamas will have a shit ton more local support after this week). There are only so many dead children the general public can stomach before someone does something about it, not to mention the Arab world. Israel will get the better of Hamas, so long as intervention is limited to Hezbollah. We will see if any other state actors decide to step in if Israel's response gets too heavy-handed. The region is still a powder keg.
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Palestinians and hamas hate gays and other LGBT. That alone should make liberals be against them, but they support them. Strange huh? In Gaza Gays can get the death penalty. How about that Woody??????
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Considering the kidnappings how much do you think the billions of dollars we gave Iran influenced the decision?
WSS
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Considering the kidnappings how much do you think the billions of dollars we gave Iran influenced the decision?
WSS
Considering the kidnappings how much do you think the billions of dollars we gave Iran influenced the decision?
WSS
I wouldn't be shocked if that freed up money to be funneled from other Iranian sources to Hamas. I doubt it influenced the decision nearly as much as the Ukraine/Russia war did.
1 - US emergency munitions stockpiles were diverted from Israel to Ukraine early in 2023, this was published by NYT
2 - They saw that an underdog in Ukraine could greatly outperform expectations and bleed the Russians hard for any ground they take
3 - They also saw the failure of a Ukrainian offensive in spite of receiving multiple western wonderweapons
4 - They saw said multi-million dollar wonderweapons lose to $100 drones and mines
5 - They saw the American public and the West in general waver on their support for Ukraine
6 - They saw western munitions supplies being used faster than they could be replacedThey saw an opening and took it. I doubt they'd have a better opportunity in the future. I just have to wonder what China is thinking seeing all of that, and now watching US politicians salivate over giving as much support as Israel needs to raze Gaza.
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So the ruskies and Ukraine easy enough to figure out. Russia wants the port with which to ship their Energy Products to the Europeans who despite our doing the having Lifting for their defense or happy to buy. And they don't want NATO missiles on their border.
Israel got West Bank and Georgia after they were attacked and drove out a fairly substantial bunch of enemies. They don't want Hezbollah or Islamic Jihad or Muslim Brotherhood nukes On the Border of Tel Aviv for Jerusalem. The Arabs just want to take back that land that they lost. Just for spite? What's your take boys?
WSS
MHO Steve? The Muslims and (their pagan predecessors) and our Semitic friends have have hated each other for millennia. I don't know the reason exactly why, but I don't expect it to end anytime soon. Their eventual goal is to wipe Israel off the map. What's stunning to me is the massive failure of Israel's Intelligence community. Like how in the HELL was Hamas able to smuggle thousands of rockets into the Gaza strip totally undetected?
Just a little dig at the GOP hardliners who want to cut off aid to Ukraine.. A FYI
"The United States already provides Israel more than $3 billion in military assistance every year, Mr. Blinken said that much of the equipment from that funding is already “in the pipeline” to be sent to Israel.
Hmmmm.... Ukraine doesn't matter, but Israel does? Just sayin'.
Just a little dig at the GOP hardliners who want to cut off aid to Ukraine.. A FYI
Cut off aid?
You mean like making payroll for their military?
How about making pension payments to their retired military?
That’s not aid…that’s called a blank check.
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
Israel gave warning to the citizens in the building they were about to strike that was storing the arms.
I find it disingenuous people keep talking about Palestine backed into a corner yet ignore the terrorist acts they are committing.
I find it disingenuous people keep talking about Palestine backed into a corner yet ignore the terrorist acts they are committing.
You mean the same way you're doing with Israel? You don't have to be a cheerleader. It's okay to say that both sides have no respect for life of people outside of their group.
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I'm not a cheerleader, I openly said why I don't agree with hamas and posted actual videos of the atrocities, but I never said I agree with Israel either, though it appears to me they have every right to defend themselves. At this time I really don't know enough to say Israel is wrong in any way as all I see so far is they are protecting themselves from terrorists.
Whatever you do though, Israels actions are nothing like what the hamas are doing, which is nothing short of criminal, terrorist and considered war crimes if nothing else. War will always bring collateral damage.
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I'm not a cheerleader, I openly said why I don't agree with hamas and posted actual videos of the atrocities, but I never said I agree with Israel either, though it appears to me they have every right to defend themselves. At this time I really don't know enough to say Israel is wrong in any way as all I see so far is they are protecting themselves from terrorists.
Whatever you do though, Israels actions are nothing like what the hamas are doing, which is nothing short of criminal, terrorist and considered war crimes if nothing else. War will always bring collateral damage.
I never said I agree with Israel either, though it appears to me they have every right to defend themselves. At this time I really don't know enough to say Israel is wrong in any way as all I see so far is they are protecting themselves from terrorists.
Whatever you do though, Israels actions are nothing like what the hamas are doing, which is nothing short of criminal, terrorist and considered war crimes if nothing else. War will always bring collateral damage.
I'd like to know your opinion, at what point on the graph did Israel gain every right to defend themselves?
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Those numbers exist because Israel was forced to defend themselves.
Is it bad if we look at the 200,000+ Iraqi citizens that were killed during that war? It happens, I'm not saying it's good, but it's war.
So you agree with the terrorist actions of hamas?
So you agree with the terrorist actions of hamas?
No. Please carry on with your mental gymnastics.
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