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  • Westside Steve W Dedicated Reacting Well Posting Machine Collaborator First Post Conversation Starter Week One Done One Year In One Month Later Very Popular
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    W Westside Steve wrote on last edited by Westside Steve
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    Face it; the ship we call freedom of speech has sailed long long ago. So has life liberty and the pursuit of happiness but that's another discussion.

    (Gag order; are you fucking kidding me?)

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      Face it; the ship we call freedom of speech has sailed long long ago. So has life liberty and the pursuit of happiness but that's another discussion.

      (Gag order; are you fucking kidding me?)

      WSS

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      VaporTrailV VaporTrail wrote on last edited by
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      @westside-steve said:

      Face it; the ship we call freedom of speech has sailed long long ago. So has life liberty and the pursuit of happiness but that's another discussion.

      (Gag order; are you fucking kidding me?)

      WSS

      No, it hasn't. We are NOT Europe (at least not yet). Here's a picture of an English soccer fan getting arrested this year for wearing a jersey making light of the 97 Liverpool fans who died in the Hillsborough crush incident. These tea sipping assholes just can't handle the banter. We can still wear shirts to Browns games with all sorts of imaginative depictions of killing A*t, and no one would bat an eye. I'm going to continue to advocate for the Bill of Rights no matter how scared people get of the bogeyman of the month. 

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        @westside-steve said:

        Face it; the ship we call freedom of speech has sailed long long ago. So has life liberty and the pursuit of happiness but that's another discussion.

        (Gag order; are you fucking kidding me?)

        WSS

        No, it hasn't. We are NOT Europe (at least not yet). Here's a picture of an English soccer fan getting arrested this year for wearing a jersey making light of the 97 Liverpool fans who died in the Hillsborough crush incident. These tea sipping assholes just can't handle the banter. We can still wear shirts to Browns games with all sorts of imaginative depictions of killing A*t, and no one would bat an eye. I'm going to continue to advocate for the Bill of Rights no matter how scared people get of the bogeyman of the month. 

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        W Westside Steve wrote on last edited by Westside Steve
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        @vaportrail said:

        No, it hasn't. We are NOT Europe (at least not yet). Here's a picture of an English soccer fan getting arrested this year for wearing a jersey making light of the 97 Liverpool fans who died in the Hillsborough crush incident. These tea sipping assholes just can't handle the banter. We can still wear shirts to Browns games with all sorts of imaginative depictions of killing A*t, and no one would bat an eye. I'm going to continue to advocate for the Bill of Rights no matter how scared people get of the bogeyman of the month. 

        image.png.ef6322465529956b65e597b57f7aa97e.png

        Keywords being not yet. Europe is worse, no doubt, but history did not begin 25 years ago. Go back a few decades and ask people what they would think of getting fired for using the incorrect pronoun.

        WSS

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          @calfoxwc said:

          You are being ignorant - supporting terrorism can not be "free speech".

          supporting hamas vile war crimes is not "free speech".

          With freedoms come responsibility and supporting terrorists is irresponsible and threatening to every

          American everywhere.

          That is "inciting to riot" and is death threats to Jewish Americans, as well as an entire nation, as well as death threats to all of us who support Israel.

          Case in point. Stop trying to ban speech you don't like. 

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          @vaportrail said:

          Case in point. Stop trying to ban speech you don't like. 

          this means nothing. would you care to try to explain ?

          you can't yell "FIRE" in a crowded theater.

          It isn't that speech isn't liked, it's that that speech is destructive to society.

          Your pro-palestinian bias is tough to follow.

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            @calfoxwc said:

            You are being ignorant - supporting terrorism can not be "free speech".

            supporting hamas vile war crimes is not "free speech".

            With freedoms come responsibility and supporting terrorists is irresponsible and threatening to every

            American everywhere.

            That is "inciting to riot" and is death threats to Jewish Americans, as well as an entire nation, as well as death threats to all of us who support Israel.

            Case in point. Stop trying to ban speech you don't like. 

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            @vaportrail said:

            Case in point. Stop trying to ban speech you don't like. 

            Case in point?

            Cal gave no examples of him banning speech he didn't like. He has no authority to ban speech unless it comes from his wife.lol

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              It's a touchy subject I admit.

              Certainly you can't yell "fire" in a crowded auditorium, but does speech supporting a murderous group of subhumans extend to that level? The line must be drawn somewhere.

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                In the 18th century it was common for someone who printed pamphlets advocating democracy over monarchy or one church over the other to be flogged or hung for sedition. That's why they wrote the Bill of Rights and the First Amendment as simple as that. Sometimes conservatives are accused of wanting to turn the clock back to the 1950s but these guys want to turn it back to the 1750s.

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                  F FairHooker11 wrote on last edited by
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                  look - another failed academy.

                  and the escalation is taking place quite nicely 

                  (to the wishes of OP?)

                  said no one paying tuition ever

                  https://x.com/stillgray/status/1723112021007503813?s=20

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                    look - another failed academy.

                    and the escalation is taking place quite nicely 

                    (to the wishes of OP?)

                    said no one paying tuition ever

                    https://x.com/stillgray/status/1723112021007503813?s=20

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                    @fairhooker11 said:

                    look - another failed academy.

                    and the escalation is taking place quite nicely 

                    (to the wishes of OP?)

                    said no one paying tuition ever

                    https://x.com/stillgray/status/1723112021007503813?s=20

                    That kind of action should get you expelled, minimum.

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                      I'm not going to rehash the pending SCOTUS case regarding the Biden administration pressuring tech companies to censor "disinformation" and "hate speech." It was cheered on by a bunch of idiots in the media and government who genuinely think "hate speech is not free speech" trumps the Constitution. The tech companies' decisions to go along with the Biden administration was rightfully derided by "conservatives."

                      Now, these same "conservatives" are chipping away at the first amendment in the wake of the crisis in Israel. 

                      Exhibit A: If your college has anti-Zionist protestors, then your federal funding will get pulled. Thank god this retard has no chance at the presidency. 
                      image.thumb.png.72002a32048f4d0fc25ff4ff05e89440.png

                      Exhibit B: Desantis bans pro-Palestine groups from Florida state universities campuses citing terroristic threats. Below is the chancellor's letter. 

                      image.thumb.png.0fe3d0800e8fa8b30e3b6cacab245867.png

                      Didn't we already go through this shit in 2001 with the Patriot Act? Erosion of the Bill of Rights is bad and should be opposed in all forms because, as the last 8 years have demonstrated, it can be applied to anyone the current government doesn't like. Someone needs to tell these GOP idiots that they're running for president of the US, not president of Israel. 

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                      JaxJ Jax wrote on last edited by
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                      @vaportrail said:

                      I'm not going to rehash the pending SCOTUS case regarding the Biden administration pressuring tech companies to censor "disinformation" and "hate speech." It was cheered on by a bunch of idiots in the media and government who genuinely think "hate speech is not free speech" trumps the Constitution. The tech companies' decisions to go along with the Biden administration was rightfully derided by "conservatives."

                      Now, these same "conservatives" are chipping away at the first amendment in the wake of the crisis in Israel. 

                      Exhibit A: If your college has anti-Zionist protestors, then your federal funding will get pulled. Thank god this retard has no chance at the presidency. 
                      image.thumb.png.72002a32048f4d0fc25ff4ff05e89440.png

                      Exhibit B: Desantis bans pro-Palestine groups from Florida state universities campuses citing terroristic threats. Below is the chancellor's letter. 

                      image.thumb.png.0fe3d0800e8fa8b30e3b6cacab245867.png

                      Didn't we already go through this shit in 2001 with the Patriot Act? Erosion of the Bill of Rights is bad and should be opposed in all forms because, as the last 8 years have demonstrated, it can be applied to anyone the current government doesn't like. Someone needs to tell these GOP idiots that they're running for president of the US, not president of Israel. 

                      Big difference between supporting terrorists and hiding behind the new made up ideologies of hate speech in which that term is specifically introduced to control speech or opposition such is being used by the left to suppress maga voters.

                      Speech should not incite violence, and there are times when there is actually a valid concern but because the lefties blurred that line to abuse it's meaning it's difficult to agree when such times actually exist.

                      Having laws against supporting terrorists seems pretty clear cut, where is the problem exactly with this law in specific?

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                        @fairhooker11 said:

                        look - another failed academy.

                        and the escalation is taking place quite nicely 

                        (to the wishes of OP?)

                        said no one paying tuition ever

                        https://x.com/stillgray/status/1723112021007503813?s=20

                        That kind of action should get you expelled, minimum.

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                        F FairHooker11 wrote on last edited by
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                        @jax said:

                        That kind of action should get you expelled, minimum.

                        I'm all for the expulsion of the school administrators who let this go on 

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                          @calfoxwc said:

                          You are being ignorant - supporting terrorism can not be "free speech".

                          supporting hamas vile war crimes is not "free speech".

                          With freedoms come responsibility and supporting terrorists is irresponsible and threatening to every

                          American everywhere.

                          That is "inciting to riot" and is death threats to Jewish Americans, as well as an entire nation, as well as death threats to all of us who support Israel.

                          Case in point. Stop trying to ban speech you don't like. 

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                          Canton DawgC Canton Dawg wrote on last edited by
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                          @vaportrail said:

                          Case in point. Stop trying to ban speech you don't like. 

                          I agree, free speech is free speech regardless of whether you like it or not.

                          What are your thoughts on the WH and DNC censoring conservative tweets on Twitter?

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                            @vaportrail said:

                            I'm not going to rehash the pending SCOTUS case regarding the Biden administration pressuring tech companies to censor "disinformation" and "hate speech." It was cheered on by a bunch of idiots in the media and government who genuinely think "hate speech is not free speech" trumps the Constitution. The tech companies' decisions to go along with the Biden administration was rightfully derided by "conservatives."

                            Now, these same "conservatives" are chipping away at the first amendment in the wake of the crisis in Israel. 

                            Exhibit A: If your college has anti-Zionist protestors, then your federal funding will get pulled. Thank god this retard has no chance at the presidency. 
                            image.thumb.png.72002a32048f4d0fc25ff4ff05e89440.png

                            Exhibit B: Desantis bans pro-Palestine groups from Florida state universities campuses citing terroristic threats. Below is the chancellor's letter. 

                            image.thumb.png.0fe3d0800e8fa8b30e3b6cacab245867.png

                            Didn't we already go through this shit in 2001 with the Patriot Act? Erosion of the Bill of Rights is bad and should be opposed in all forms because, as the last 8 years have demonstrated, it can be applied to anyone the current government doesn't like. Someone needs to tell these GOP idiots that they're running for president of the US, not president of Israel. 

                            Big difference between supporting terrorists and hiding behind the new made up ideologies of hate speech in which that term is specifically introduced to control speech or opposition such is being used by the left to suppress maga voters.

                            Speech should not incite violence, and there are times when there is actually a valid concern but because the lefties blurred that line to abuse it's meaning it's difficult to agree when such times actually exist.

                            Having laws against supporting terrorists seems pretty clear cut, where is the problem exactly with this law in specific?

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                            @jax said:

                            Big difference between supporting terrorists and hiding behind the new made up ideologies of hate speech in which that term is specifically introduced to control speech or opposition such is being used by the left to suppress maga voters.

                            Speech should not incite violence, and there are times when there is actually a valid concern but because the lefties blurred that line to abuse it's meaning it's difficult to agree when such times actually exist.

                            Having laws against supporting terrorists seems pretty clear cut, where is the problem exactly with this law in specific?

                            To the left conservative speech IS violence. The left reacts with physical violence feeling justified and entitled to do so.

                            So the blame is on conservatism. Suppressing all conservative speech is the solution.

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                              @vaportrail said:

                              Case in point. Stop trying to ban speech you don't like. 

                              I agree, free speech is free speech regardless of whether you like it or not.

                              What are your thoughts on the WH and DNC censoring conservative tweets on Twitter?

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                              VaporTrailV VaporTrail wrote on last edited by
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                              @canton-dawg said:

                              I agree, free speech is free speech regardless of whether you like it or not.

                              What are your thoughts on the WH and DNC censoring conservative tweets on Twitter?

                              Personally, I think it was a blatantly illegal abuse of power. I'm looking forward to Missouri vs Biden getting elevated to the Supreme Court. I'm also looking forward to these Silicon Valley twats being charged with perjury for lying about it to Congress. 

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                                @vaportrail said:

                                No, it hasn't. We are NOT Europe (at least not yet). Here's a picture of an English soccer fan getting arrested this year for wearing a jersey making light of the 97 Liverpool fans who died in the Hillsborough crush incident. These tea sipping assholes just can't handle the banter. We can still wear shirts to Browns games with all sorts of imaginative depictions of killing A*t, and no one would bat an eye. I'm going to continue to advocate for the Bill of Rights no matter how scared people get of the bogeyman of the month. 

                                image.png.ef6322465529956b65e597b57f7aa97e.png

                                Keywords being not yet. Europe is worse, no doubt, but history did not begin 25 years ago. Go back a few decades and ask people what they would think of getting fired for using the incorrect pronoun.

                                WSS

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                                VaporTrailV VaporTrail wrote on last edited by
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                                @westside-steve said:

                                Keywords being not yet. Europe is worse, no doubt, but history did not begin 25 years ago. Go back a few decades and ask people what they would think of getting fired for using the incorrect pronoun.

                                WSS

                                It's all cyclical. The last time inflation was this high and tranny shit being pushed on the public was Weimar Germany in 1932...

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                                  @westside-steve said:

                                  Keywords being not yet. Europe is worse, no doubt, but history did not begin 25 years ago. Go back a few decades and ask people what they would think of getting fired for using the incorrect pronoun.

                                  WSS

                                  It's all cyclical. The last time inflation was this high and tranny shit being pushed on the public was Weimar Germany in 1932...

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                                  @vaportrail said:

                                  It's all cyclical. The last time inflation was this high and tranny shit being pushed on the public was Weimar Germany in 1932...

                                  So why am I thinking about Joel gray and Liza Minnelli?

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                                    Good news. The Florida universities are refusing to enforce Gov Desantis' mandate because they're concerned about being personally liable for damages (i.e. - their lawyers know damn well it's a blatant 1A violation). 

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                                      Good news. The Florida universities are refusing to enforce Gov Desantis' mandate because they're concerned about being personally liable for damages (i.e. - their lawyers know damn well it's a blatant 1A violation). 

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                                      @vaportrail said:

                                      Good news. The Florida universities are refusing to enforce Gov Desantis' mandate because they're concerned about being personally liable for damages (i.e. - their lawyers know damn well it's a blatant 1A violation). 

                                      Refresh my memory; what was the mandate again?

                                      WSS 

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                                        @vaportrail said:

                                        Good news. The Florida universities are refusing to enforce Gov Desantis' mandate because they're concerned about being personally liable for damages (i.e. - their lawyers know damn well it's a blatant 1A violation). 

                                        Refresh my memory; what was the mandate again?

                                        WSS 

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                                        @westside-steve said:

                                        Refresh my memory; what was the mandate again?

                                        WSS 

                                        He ordered that the Florida universities deactivate the pro-Palestinian groups on campus because they're "associated with terrorism." The actual document from the school is in the first post in this thread. 

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                                          This idiot cannot help herself. Here's the shot.

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                                          https://twitter.com/ChristinaPushaw/status/1724524144954380794

                                          And after a few days of everyone roasting her... Here's the chaser

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                                          https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1724828429923811794

                                          It's no wonder that the legacy media chose her as their darling candidate

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