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  • see Vapor change subject. Avoids, again, criticizing hamas' horrific war crimes.

    including using hospitals and civilians as a defense while they shoot thousands of rockets

    at Israeli civilian targets....

  • @westside-steve said:

    Refresh my memory; what was the mandate again?

    WSS 

    He ordered that the Florida universities deactivate the pro-Palestinian groups on campus because they're "associated with terrorism." The actual document from the school is in the first post in this thread. 

    @vaportrail said:

    He ordered that the Florida universities deactivate the pro-Palestinian groups on campus because they're "associated with terrorism." The actual document from the school is in the first post in this thread. 

    Oh, okay. Well I can certainly grasp the concept of a hands-off approach to free speech but I can't imagine the courts being as lenient if somebody wanted to start a pro American Nazi party or Ku Klux Klan group on campus. I'm struggling to find the silver lining in Hamas or hezbollah.

    WSS

  • PS I do think her, and everybody's, anti-tik tok Hysteria is nonsense.

    WSS

  • @vaportrail said:

    He ordered that the Florida universities deactivate the pro-Palestinian groups on campus because they're "associated with terrorism." The actual document from the school is in the first post in this thread. 

    Oh, okay. Well I can certainly grasp the concept of a hands-off approach to free speech but I can't imagine the courts being as lenient if somebody wanted to start a pro American Nazi party or Ku Klux Klan group on campus. I'm struggling to find the silver lining in Hamas or hezbollah.

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    Oh, okay. Well I can certainly grasp the concept of a hands-off approach to free speech but I can't imagine the courts being as lenient if somebody wanted to start a pro American Nazi party or Ku Klux Klan group on campus. I'm struggling to find the silver lining in Hamas or hezbollah.

    WSS

    Brandenburg vs Ohio is the precedent for that. I'd be shocked if an example of your case today would even make it to the Supreme Court. The lower courts would uphold that decision, IMO. 

  • @westside-steve said:

    Oh, okay. Well I can certainly grasp the concept of a hands-off approach to free speech but I can't imagine the courts being as lenient if somebody wanted to start a pro American Nazi party or Ku Klux Klan group on campus. I'm struggling to find the silver lining in Hamas or hezbollah.

    WSS

    Brandenburg vs Ohio is the precedent for that. I'd be shocked if an example of your case today would even make it to the Supreme Court. The lower courts would uphold that decision, IMO. 

    @vaportrail said:

    Brandenburg vs Ohio is the precedent for that. I'd be shocked if an example of your case today would even make it to the Supreme Court. The lower courts would uphold that decision, IMO. 

    a bit of baloney ..... you have to differentiate between "inflammatory speech", which makes some folks mad, and speech that incites an illegal action.

    intentionally inciting to riot, illegal. yelling "fire" in a crowded theater, illegal. Saying or directly inferring to rape, murder and torture Jews or anyone else - illegal.

    So, no, it is no precedent for the latter.

    When you blur the lines between legal and illegal, you know you're a left-wing liberal knee-jerking sombeitch.

    (see? that was mildly inflammatory, but does NOT espouse any committing of any illegal action.

    Therefore, the "pro-hamas" , Pro-"palestinian chants are the latter, which is illegal.

    Without responsibilities, there is no freedoms. Anyone would be free to usurp all your freedoms.

    You're welcome.

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    https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-11-26/a-usc-professor-called-for-hamas-to-be-killed-hes-now-banned-from-campus

    Everyone needs to oppose this. It doesn't matter what your views are. If you support it going against a group you don't like, eventually the censorship police will come for you. 

  • Free speech be damned eh?

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    https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-11-26/a-usc-professor-called-for-hamas-to-be-killed-hes-now-banned-from-campus

    Everyone needs to oppose this. It doesn't matter what your views are. If you support it going against a group you don't like, eventually the censorship police will come for you. 

    @vaportrail said:

    image.thumb.png.c3e9e2aa74a398257f65081cc5e4d688.png

    https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-11-26/a-usc-professor-called-for-hamas-to-be-killed-hes-now-banned-from-campus

    Everyone needs to oppose this. It doesn't matter what your views are. If you support it going against a group you don't like, eventually the censorship police will come for you. 

    TRUE, except for praising hamas' sickening vile violence against those 1400 Jews on the 7th. Advocating/supporting war crimes isn't a matter of free speech - it's a matter of violating laws that protect people.

  • lets see - you criticize your gov's immigration open door policy, and you get investigated for hate speech???????

    We do not want another 4 years of this corrupt gov. Vote Real Americans in before it's too late.

    https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2023/11/27/conor-mcgregor-under-investigation-for-hate-speech-for-criticizing-how-authorities-on-immigration-n2166851

  • South Dakota signed into law a bill to combat antisemitism. 

    Quoted from the bill itself, it defines antisemitism as...

     For the purposes of this chapter, the term "antisemitism" has the same meaning as the working definition of antisemitism adopted by the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance on May 26, 2016, including the contemporary examples of antisemitism identified therein.

    And going to this alliance's website, they list the following acts as antisemitic

    Calling for, aiding, or justifying the killing or harming of Jews in the name of a radical ideology or an extremist view of religion.
    Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as collective — such as, especially but not exclusively, the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions.
    Accusing Jews as a people of being responsible for real or imagined wrongdoing committed by a single Jewish person or group, or even for acts committed by non-Jews.
    Denying the fact, scope, mechanisms (e.g. gas chambers) or intentionality of the genocide of the Jewish people at the hands of National Socialist Germany and its supporters and accomplices during World War II (the Holocaust).
    Accusing the Jews as a people, or Israel as a state, of inventing or exaggerating the Holocaust.
    Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.
    Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.
    Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.
    Using the symbols and images associated with classic antisemitism (e.g., claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterize Israel or Israelis.
    Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.
    Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel.

    According to this logic, if I question the loyalty of a sitting US congressman who shows up to congress in an IDF uniform, then that is worthy of jailtime in South Dakota. These people are the fucking thought police. It's a batshit crazy law, and I can't wait for it to get struck down by SCOTUS on first amendment grounds.

  • South Dakota signed into law a bill to combat antisemitism. 

    Quoted from the bill itself, it defines antisemitism as...

     For the purposes of this chapter, the term "antisemitism" has the same meaning as the working definition of antisemitism adopted by the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance on May 26, 2016, including the contemporary examples of antisemitism identified therein.

    And going to this alliance's website, they list the following acts as antisemitic

    Calling for, aiding, or justifying the killing or harming of Jews in the name of a radical ideology or an extremist view of religion.
    Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as collective — such as, especially but not exclusively, the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions.
    Accusing Jews as a people of being responsible for real or imagined wrongdoing committed by a single Jewish person or group, or even for acts committed by non-Jews.
    Denying the fact, scope, mechanisms (e.g. gas chambers) or intentionality of the genocide of the Jewish people at the hands of National Socialist Germany and its supporters and accomplices during World War II (the Holocaust).
    Accusing the Jews as a people, or Israel as a state, of inventing or exaggerating the Holocaust.
    Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.
    Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.
    Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.
    Using the symbols and images associated with classic antisemitism (e.g., claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterize Israel or Israelis.
    Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.
    Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel.

    According to this logic, if I question the loyalty of a sitting US congressman who shows up to congress in an IDF uniform, then that is worthy of jailtime in South Dakota. These people are the fucking thought police. It's a batshit crazy law, and I can't wait for it to get struck down by SCOTUS on first amendment grounds.

    @vaportrail said:

    South Dakota signed into law a bill to combat antisemitism. 

    Quoted from the bill itself, it defines antisemitism as...

    And going to this alliance's website, they list the following acts as antisemitic

    According to this logic, if I question the loyalty of a sitting US congressman who shows up to congress in an IDF uniform, then that is worthy of jailtime in South Dakota. These people are the fucking thought police. 

    Well, why would you question him wearing an IDF uniform if he is an American citizen and an Israeli citizen?

    Which, would never happen, I think, but if it did, why question his loyalty to America because he is also loyal to Israel? He could be retired from the Israel military and became an American.

    If an elephant had giant wings it could fly?

  • He voted for funding a foreign war that clearly helps Israel, his other country of citizenship. As an American, this war has in the short-term, worsened inflation due to the Houthis closing the Red Sea, and in the long-term has guaranteed that we will end up accepting a bunch of Gazan refugees who will hate us for funding said war. Yeah, why would I question his loyalty to the USA? Must be antisemitism. 

  • He voted for funding a foreign war that clearly helps Israel, his other country of citizenship. As an American, this war has in the short-term, worsened inflation due to the Houthis closing the Red Sea, and in the long-term has guaranteed that we will end up accepting a bunch of Gazan refugees who will hate us for funding said war. Yeah, why would I question his loyalty to the USA? Must be antisemitism. 

    @vaportrail said:

    He voted for funding a foreign war that clearly helps Israel, his other country of citizenship. As an American, this war has in the short-term, worsened inflation due to the Houthis closing the Red Sea, and in the long-term has guaranteed that we will end up accepting a bunch of Gazan refugees who will hate us for funding said war. Yeah, why would I question his loyalty to the USA? Must be antisemitism. 

    Why not question the current WH and dems in Congress? that would work. and we had worsening inflation before the Houthis started their "laugh and disrespect biden" assaults.

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  • @vaportrail said:

    He voted for funding a foreign war that clearly helps Israel, his other country of citizenship. As an American, this war has in the short-term, worsened inflation due to the Houthis closing the Red Sea, and in the long-term has guaranteed that we will end up accepting a bunch of Gazan refugees who will hate us for funding said war. Yeah, why would I question his loyalty to the USA? Must be antisemitism. 

    Why not question the current WH and dems in Congress? that would work. and we had worsening inflation before the Houthis started their "laugh and disrespect biden" assaults.

    @calfoxwc said:

    Why not question the current WH and dems in Congress? that would work. and we had worsening inflation before the Houthis started their "laugh and disrespect biden" assaults.

    Isn't that exactly what I've been doing this entire time? Uniparty loves them some foreign wars. 

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    https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-11-26/a-usc-professor-called-for-hamas-to-be-killed-hes-now-banned-from-campus

    Everyone needs to oppose this. It doesn't matter what your views are. If you support it going against a group you don't like, eventually the censorship police will come for you. 

    @vaportrail said:

    image.thumb.png.c3e9e2aa74a398257f65081cc5e4d688.png

    https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-11-26/a-usc-professor-called-for-hamas-to-be-killed-hes-now-banned-from-campus

    Everyone needs to oppose this. It doesn't matter what your views are. If you support it going against a group you don't like, eventually the censorship police will come for you. 

    Support what? The professor's remarks?

    WSS

  • @vaportrail said:

    image.thumb.png.c3e9e2aa74a398257f65081cc5e4d688.png

    https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-11-26/a-usc-professor-called-for-hamas-to-be-killed-hes-now-banned-from-campus

    Everyone needs to oppose this. It doesn't matter what your views are. If you support it going against a group you don't like, eventually the censorship police will come for you. 

    Support what? The professor's remarks?

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    Support what? The professor's remarks?

    WSS

    Oppose censorship. 

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  • @westside-steve said:

    Support what? The professor's remarks?

    WSS

    Oppose censorship. 

    @vaportrail said:

    Oppose censorship. 

    I'm fine with that idea. Too bad it doesn't work both ways but what the fuck?

    WSS

  • @vaportrail said:

    Oppose censorship. 

    I'm fine with that idea. Too bad it doesn't work both ways but what the fuck?

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    I'm fine with that idea. Too bad it doesn't work both ways but what the fuck?

    WSS

    "I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend your right to say it."

    Also, not sure why diehard keeps posting holocaust pictures. Maybe he thinks that holocaust deniers should be thrown in jail?