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    VaporTrailV VaporTrail wrote on last edited by
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    https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-11-26/a-usc-professor-called-for-hamas-to-be-killed-hes-now-banned-from-campus

    Everyone needs to oppose this. It doesn't matter what your views are. If you support it going against a group you don't like, eventually the censorship police will come for you. 

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      Free speech be damned eh?

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        https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-11-26/a-usc-professor-called-for-hamas-to-be-killed-hes-now-banned-from-campus

        Everyone needs to oppose this. It doesn't matter what your views are. If you support it going against a group you don't like, eventually the censorship police will come for you. 

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        @vaportrail said:

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        https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-11-26/a-usc-professor-called-for-hamas-to-be-killed-hes-now-banned-from-campus

        Everyone needs to oppose this. It doesn't matter what your views are. If you support it going against a group you don't like, eventually the censorship police will come for you. 

        TRUE, except for praising hamas' sickening vile violence against those 1400 Jews on the 7th. Advocating/supporting war crimes isn't a matter of free speech - it's a matter of violating laws that protect people.

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          C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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          lets see - you criticize your gov's immigration open door policy, and you get investigated for hate speech???????

          We do not want another 4 years of this corrupt gov. Vote Real Americans in before it's too late.

          https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2023/11/27/conor-mcgregor-under-investigation-for-hate-speech-for-criticizing-how-authorities-on-immigration-n2166851

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            VaporTrailV VaporTrail wrote on last edited by VaporTrail
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            South Dakota signed into law a bill to combat antisemitism. 

            Quoted from the bill itself, it defines antisemitism as...

             For the purposes of this chapter, the term "antisemitism" has the same meaning as the working definition of antisemitism adopted by the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance on May 26, 2016, including the contemporary examples of antisemitism identified therein.

            And going to this alliance's website, they list the following acts as antisemitic

            Calling for, aiding, or justifying the killing or harming of Jews in the name of a radical ideology or an extremist view of religion.
            Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as collective — such as, especially but not exclusively, the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions.
            Accusing Jews as a people of being responsible for real or imagined wrongdoing committed by a single Jewish person or group, or even for acts committed by non-Jews.
            Denying the fact, scope, mechanisms (e.g. gas chambers) or intentionality of the genocide of the Jewish people at the hands of National Socialist Germany and its supporters and accomplices during World War II (the Holocaust).
            Accusing the Jews as a people, or Israel as a state, of inventing or exaggerating the Holocaust.
            Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.
            Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.
            Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.
            Using the symbols and images associated with classic antisemitism (e.g., claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterize Israel or Israelis.
            Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.
            Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel.

            According to this logic, if I question the loyalty of a sitting US congressman who shows up to congress in an IDF uniform, then that is worthy of jailtime in South Dakota. These people are the fucking thought police. It's a batshit crazy law, and I can't wait for it to get struck down by SCOTUS on first amendment grounds.

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              South Dakota signed into law a bill to combat antisemitism. 

              Quoted from the bill itself, it defines antisemitism as...

               For the purposes of this chapter, the term "antisemitism" has the same meaning as the working definition of antisemitism adopted by the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance on May 26, 2016, including the contemporary examples of antisemitism identified therein.

              And going to this alliance's website, they list the following acts as antisemitic

              Calling for, aiding, or justifying the killing or harming of Jews in the name of a radical ideology or an extremist view of religion.
              Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as collective — such as, especially but not exclusively, the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions.
              Accusing Jews as a people of being responsible for real or imagined wrongdoing committed by a single Jewish person or group, or even for acts committed by non-Jews.
              Denying the fact, scope, mechanisms (e.g. gas chambers) or intentionality of the genocide of the Jewish people at the hands of National Socialist Germany and its supporters and accomplices during World War II (the Holocaust).
              Accusing the Jews as a people, or Israel as a state, of inventing or exaggerating the Holocaust.
              Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.
              Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.
              Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.
              Using the symbols and images associated with classic antisemitism (e.g., claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterize Israel or Israelis.
              Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.
              Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel.

              According to this logic, if I question the loyalty of a sitting US congressman who shows up to congress in an IDF uniform, then that is worthy of jailtime in South Dakota. These people are the fucking thought police. It's a batshit crazy law, and I can't wait for it to get struck down by SCOTUS on first amendment grounds.

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              @vaportrail said:

              South Dakota signed into law a bill to combat antisemitism. 

              Quoted from the bill itself, it defines antisemitism as...

              And going to this alliance's website, they list the following acts as antisemitic

              According to this logic, if I question the loyalty of a sitting US congressman who shows up to congress in an IDF uniform, then that is worthy of jailtime in South Dakota. These people are the fucking thought police. 

              Well, why would you question him wearing an IDF uniform if he is an American citizen and an Israeli citizen?

              Which, would never happen, I think, but if it did, why question his loyalty to America because he is also loyal to Israel? He could be retired from the Israel military and became an American.

              If an elephant had giant wings it could fly?

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                VaporTrailV VaporTrail wrote on last edited by VaporTrail
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                He voted for funding a foreign war that clearly helps Israel, his other country of citizenship. As an American, this war has in the short-term, worsened inflation due to the Houthis closing the Red Sea, and in the long-term has guaranteed that we will end up accepting a bunch of Gazan refugees who will hate us for funding said war. Yeah, why would I question his loyalty to the USA? Must be antisemitism. 

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                  He voted for funding a foreign war that clearly helps Israel, his other country of citizenship. As an American, this war has in the short-term, worsened inflation due to the Houthis closing the Red Sea, and in the long-term has guaranteed that we will end up accepting a bunch of Gazan refugees who will hate us for funding said war. Yeah, why would I question his loyalty to the USA? Must be antisemitism. 

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                  @vaportrail said:

                  He voted for funding a foreign war that clearly helps Israel, his other country of citizenship. As an American, this war has in the short-term, worsened inflation due to the Houthis closing the Red Sea, and in the long-term has guaranteed that we will end up accepting a bunch of Gazan refugees who will hate us for funding said war. Yeah, why would I question his loyalty to the USA? Must be antisemitism. 

                  Why not question the current WH and dems in Congress? that would work. and we had worsening inflation before the Houthis started their "laugh and disrespect biden" assaults.

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                    DieHardBrownsFan1D DieHardBrownsFan1 wrote on last edited by
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                      @vaportrail said:

                      He voted for funding a foreign war that clearly helps Israel, his other country of citizenship. As an American, this war has in the short-term, worsened inflation due to the Houthis closing the Red Sea, and in the long-term has guaranteed that we will end up accepting a bunch of Gazan refugees who will hate us for funding said war. Yeah, why would I question his loyalty to the USA? Must be antisemitism. 

                      Why not question the current WH and dems in Congress? that would work. and we had worsening inflation before the Houthis started their "laugh and disrespect biden" assaults.

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                      VaporTrailV VaporTrail wrote on last edited by
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                      @calfoxwc said:

                      Why not question the current WH and dems in Congress? that would work. and we had worsening inflation before the Houthis started their "laugh and disrespect biden" assaults.

                      Isn't that exactly what I've been doing this entire time? Uniparty loves them some foreign wars. 

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                        https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-11-26/a-usc-professor-called-for-hamas-to-be-killed-hes-now-banned-from-campus

                        Everyone needs to oppose this. It doesn't matter what your views are. If you support it going against a group you don't like, eventually the censorship police will come for you. 

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                        @vaportrail said:

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                        https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-11-26/a-usc-professor-called-for-hamas-to-be-killed-hes-now-banned-from-campus

                        Everyone needs to oppose this. It doesn't matter what your views are. If you support it going against a group you don't like, eventually the censorship police will come for you. 

                        Support what? The professor's remarks?

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                          @vaportrail said:

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                          https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-11-26/a-usc-professor-called-for-hamas-to-be-killed-hes-now-banned-from-campus

                          Everyone needs to oppose this. It doesn't matter what your views are. If you support it going against a group you don't like, eventually the censorship police will come for you. 

                          Support what? The professor's remarks?

                          WSS

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                          VaporTrailV VaporTrail wrote on last edited by
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                          @westside-steve said:

                          Support what? The professor's remarks?

                          WSS

                          Oppose censorship. 

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                            DieHardBrownsFan1D DieHardBrownsFan1 wrote on last edited by
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                              @westside-steve said:

                              Support what? The professor's remarks?

                              WSS

                              Oppose censorship. 

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                              @vaportrail said:

                              Oppose censorship. 

                              I'm fine with that idea. Too bad it doesn't work both ways but what the fuck?

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                                @vaportrail said:

                                Oppose censorship. 

                                I'm fine with that idea. Too bad it doesn't work both ways but what the fuck?

                                WSS

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                                VaporTrailV VaporTrail wrote on last edited by
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                                @westside-steve said:

                                I'm fine with that idea. Too bad it doesn't work both ways but what the fuck?

                                WSS

                                "I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend your right to say it."

                                Also, not sure why diehard keeps posting holocaust pictures. Maybe he thinks that holocaust deniers should be thrown in jail?

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                                  @westside-steve said:

                                  I'm fine with that idea. Too bad it doesn't work both ways but what the fuck?

                                  WSS

                                  "I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend your right to say it."

                                  Also, not sure why diehard keeps posting holocaust pictures. Maybe he thinks that holocaust deniers should be thrown in jail?

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                                  @vaportrail said:

                                  "I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend your right to say it."

                                  Also, not sure why diehard keeps posting holocaust pictures. Maybe he thinks that holocaust deniers should be thrown in jail?

                                  Die Hard marches to his own drummer. But if you're asking me to offer up an opinion I would guess that he believe that tips the scale in the favor of Israel versus Hamas and pretty heavily so.

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                                    @westside-steve said:

                                    I'm fine with that idea. Too bad it doesn't work both ways but what the fuck?

                                    WSS

                                    "I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend your right to say it."

                                    Also, not sure why diehard keeps posting holocaust pictures. Maybe he thinks that holocaust deniers should be thrown in jail?

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                                    DieHardBrownsFan1D DieHardBrownsFan1 wrote on last edited by
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                                    @vaportrail said:

                                    "I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend your right to say it."

                                    Also, not sure why diehard keeps posting holocaust pictures. Maybe he thinks that holocaust deniers should be thrown in jail?

                                    That's why we support Israel.  No matter what.

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                                      @vaportrail said:

                                      "I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend your right to say it."

                                      Also, not sure why diehard keeps posting holocaust pictures. Maybe he thinks that holocaust deniers should be thrown in jail?

                                      That's why we support Israel.  No matter what.

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                                      @diehardbrownsfan1 said:

                                      That's why we support Israel.  No matter what.

                                      and -

                                      https://www.britannica.com/event/Arab-Israeli-wars

                                      from the beginning, A few Arab countries and palestinians hated Israel, and didn't want them

                                      to have their own country.

                                      The Holocaust - NEVER AGAIN.

                                      by the way.... since ancient history - hated Jews before Israel.

                                      mosaicmagazine.com.icohttps://mosaicmagazine.com › picks › history-ideas › 2021 › 07 › the-7th-century-massacre-of-arabian-jews-and-its-legacy

                                      The 7th-Century Massacre of Arabian Jews, and Its Legacy

                                      The army of Mohammad is coming." The reference is to a location in what is now Saudi Arabia, and to an oft-forgotten piece of Middle Eastern Jewish history. Lawrence Schiffman recounts this story, which begins in 622 CE, when the founder of Islam moved from Mecca to the city of Medina, which at the time
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                                        @vaportrail said:

                                        "I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend your right to say it."

                                        Also, not sure why diehard keeps posting holocaust pictures. Maybe he thinks that holocaust deniers should be thrown in jail?

                                        That's why we support Israel.  No matter what.

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                                        VaporTrailV VaporTrail wrote on last edited by
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                                        @diehardbrownsfan1 said:

                                        That's why we support Israel.  No matter what.

                                        So, what's the threshold to have our unquestioned support? Rwandans, East Timorese, Bosnians, Armenians, Serbs, Poles, Rohingyas, and American Indians have all been on the receiving end of a genocide. Why don't we support them no matter what?

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                                          @diehardbrownsfan1 said:

                                          That's why we support Israel.  No matter what.

                                          So, what's the threshold to have our unquestioned support? Rwandans, East Timorese, Bosnians, Armenians, Serbs, Poles, Rohingyas, and American Indians have all been on the receiving end of a genocide. Why don't we support them no matter what?

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                                          @vaportrail said:

                                          So, what's the threshold to have our unquestioned support? Rwandans, East Timorese, Bosnians, Armenians, Serbs, Poles, Rohingyas, and American Indians have all been on the receiving end of a genocide. Why don't we support them no matter what?

                                          you're saying all those groups came from all over the world to escape nazis murdering them and to live in their own country created for them by the United Nations ? Nope. Only Israel.

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