Jameis Winston is a Brown
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Dumbest move since the Manziel draft pick.
Here I thought the front office was doing a great job in general. This is really baffling.
Dumbest move since the Manziel draft pick.
Here I thought the front office was doing a great job in general. This is really baffling.
Not for nothing, but now that the Bears cornered themselves into the point of no return with Justin Fields while they still plan to go through with their plans to draft Caleb Williams - I think the Browns could have traded for Justin Fields without giving up too much in return. I wish they would have at least inquired if they didn't already do so.
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Dumbest move since the Manziel draft pick.
Here I thought the front office was doing a great job in general. This is really baffling.
Not for nothing, but now that the Bears cornered themselves into the point of no return with Justin Fields while they still plan to go through with their plans to draft Caleb Williams - I think the Browns could have traded for Justin Fields without giving up too much in return. I wish they would have at least inquired if they didn't already do so.
Not for nothing, but now that the Bears cornered themselves into the point of no return with Justin Fields while they still plan to go through with their plans to draft Caleb Williams - I think the Browns could have traded for Justin Fields without giving up too much in return. I wish they would have at least inquired if they didn't already do so.
I don’t know why there are NFL teams that are willing to spend a high pick on Caleb Williams…he’s a turnover machine.
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Not for nothing, but now that the Bears cornered themselves into the point of no return with Justin Fields while they still plan to go through with their plans to draft Caleb Williams - I think the Browns could have traded for Justin Fields without giving up too much in return. I wish they would have at least inquired if they didn't already do so.
I don’t know why there are NFL teams that are willing to spend a high pick on Caleb Williams…he’s a turnover machine.
I don’t know why there are NFL teams that are willing to spend a high pick on Caleb Williams…he’s a turnover machine.
When USC played their Bowl Game without Caleb Williams - the QB they started threw 6 TD passes. USC lost 5 games Caleb started in 2023 fwiw...
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
Too bad your obvious disdain for a QBs' sexual problems don't seem to extend to your politician.
You don't have to be a prude to hate the Watson trade. But you do if you're going to shit your pants over a consensual peccadillo in the parking lot of the cheesecake factory.
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WSS
You don't have to be a prude to hate the Watson trade. But you do if you're going to shit your pants over a consensual peccadillo in the parking lot of the cheesecake factory.
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WSS
Yeah, it's only adultery ?. The moral compass only seems to get used in here for Watson.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
I don’t know why there are NFL teams that are willing to spend a high pick on Caleb Williams…he’s a turnover machine.
When USC played their Bowl Game without Caleb Williams - the QB they started threw 6 TD passes. USC lost 5 games Caleb started in 2023 fwiw...
When USC played their Bowl Game without Caleb Williams - the QB they started threw 6 TD passes. USC lost 5 games Caleb started in 2023 fwiw...
Not counting interceptions, he’s responsible for 32 fumbles in 36 games. ?
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
At least apparently he's an extremely solid locker room guy. I could believe that to be true based on his personality.
To me this reeks of two things:
1) At the end of the day, Winston's game is very similar to what we saw Flacco do last season. High Risk, high reward (a la Favre) mentality. Candidly, I see it strictly from a talent standpoint as a slight upgrade and of course a much younger player. Also, just being blunt Flacco gave me major "Fitzmagic" vibes. I get a strong feeling the FO felt the same way.
2) Don't underestimate this move being a sneaky way of protecting Watson. If QB1 comes out next year and looks crappy, the fan base would be rioting to have Flacco put in the game. Just won't happen with famous Jameis.
The big difference for me is.. Flacco can overcome his Int's... Winston falls completely apart at the seams with absolutely 0 ability to overcome his mistakes...
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I would start Winston over.
zappe
stidham
o'connell
pickett or wilson
levis
darnold
carr
howell
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You don't have to be a prude to hate the Watson trade. But you do if you're going to shit your pants over a consensual peccadillo in the parking lot of the cheesecake factory.
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WSS
Yeah, it's only adultery ?. The moral compass only seems to get used in here for Watson.
Yeah, it's only adultery ?. The moral compass only seems to get used in here for Watson.
And that bothers you as much or more than multiple counts of sexual imposition and alleged rape? Got it you guys hate Cal so much that you pull stuff like this out of your ass. And no doubt neither you nor Tex have ever had sex with any woman in the very first one. Ironically he's probably the only guy that never did any of those things. But like I said you don't have to be a prude to hate the Watson deal. Winston didn't set the team back that much so who cares?
WSS
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Not counting interceptions, he’s responsible for 32 fumbles in 36 games. ?
And that's just on the programs he hand selected for himself. What could possibly go wrong as a rookie on a team that doesn't protect the passer very well?
That said, he does have intriguing passing stats when he's not being more generous than Santa Claus to the opponents. Here's his stats sporting good TD:INT ratios but none better than 41:3 from Fields. What got cut off was 35 sacks, for 272 yards and a passer rating of 170.1 in 2023. He takes a lot of sacks at the college level. TDs and INTs are bolded below.
SEASONGPCOMPPATTATT/GPCTPYDSPYDS/ATTPYDS/GPTDLNG300+INTSCKSCK YDSQBRI welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
Not counting interceptions, he’s responsible for 32 fumbles in 36 games. ?
And that's just on the programs he hand selected for himself. What could possibly go wrong as a rookie on a team that doesn't protect the passer very well?
That said, he does have intriguing passing stats when he's not being more generous than Santa Claus to the opponents. Here's his stats sporting good TD:INT ratios but none better than 41:3 from Fields. What got cut off was 35 sacks, for 272 yards and a passer rating of 170.1 in 2023. He takes a lot of sacks at the college level. TDs and INTs are bolded below.
SEASONGPCOMPPATTATT/GPCTPYDSPYDS/ATTPYDS/GPTDLNG300+INTSCKSCK YDSQBRAnd that's just on the programs he hand selected for himself. What could possibly go wrong as a rookie on a team that doesn't protect the passer very well?
That said, he does have intriguing passing stats when he's not being more generous than Santa Claus to the opponents. Here's his stats sporting good TD:INT ratios but none better than 41:3 from Fields. What got cut off was 35 sacks, for 272 yards and a passer rating of 170.1 in 2023. He takes a lot of sacks at the college level. TDs and INTs are bolded below.
SEASONGPCOMPPATTATT/GPCTPYDSPYDS/ATTPYDS/GPTDLNG300+INTSCKSCK YDSQBRI lifted a few blurbs about Caleb Williams from an NFL Scout’s (Dan Kelly) perspective. . .
Pro Football Focus recorded Williams at 3.44 seconds in 2022 and 3.21 seconds in 2023. Williams was sacked 63 times (2022-2023). Only seven NFL QBs are over 3 seconds (NEXT GEN STATS). Bears’ QB Justin Fields was the slowest (3.23 seconds). Fields was sacked 99 times (2022-2023).
Williams was 2-9 against ranked teams the past two seasons.
Post-game conduct ⎯refused to shake hands with Utah and refused to talk to reporters after the UCLA loss.
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
And that's just on the programs he hand selected for himself. What could possibly go wrong as a rookie on a team that doesn't protect the passer very well?
That said, he does have intriguing passing stats when he's not being more generous than Santa Claus to the opponents. Here's his stats sporting good TD:INT ratios but none better than 41:3 from Fields. What got cut off was 35 sacks, for 272 yards and a passer rating of 170.1 in 2023. He takes a lot of sacks at the college level. TDs and INTs are bolded below.
SEASONGPCOMPPATTATT/GPCTPYDSPYDS/ATTPYDS/GPTDLNG300+INTSCKSCK YDSQBRI lifted a few blurbs about Caleb Williams from an NFL Scout’s (Dan Kelly) perspective. . .
Pro Football Focus recorded Williams at 3.44 seconds in 2022 and 3.21 seconds in 2023. Williams was sacked 63 times (2022-2023). Only seven NFL QBs are over 3 seconds (NEXT GEN STATS). Bears’ QB Justin Fields was the slowest (3.23 seconds). Fields was sacked 99 times (2022-2023).
Williams was 2-9 against ranked teams the past two seasons.
Post-game conduct ⎯refused to shake hands with Utah and refused to talk to reporters after the UCLA loss.
︎ ︎ I lifted a few blurbs about Caleb Williams from an NFL Scout’s (Dan Kelly) perspective. . .
READ ON -->
● Pro Football Focus recorded Williams at 3.44 seconds in 2022 and 3.21 seconds in 2023. Williams was sacked 63 times (2022-2023). Only seven NFL QBs are over 3 seconds (NEXT GEN STATS). Bears’ QB Justin Fields was the slowest (3.23 seconds). Fields was sacked 99 times (2022-2023).
︎ --> Caleb Williams was 2-9 against ranked teams the past two seasons.
︎ --> Post-game conduct ⎯refused to shake hands with Utah and refused to talk to reporters after the UCLA loss.
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︎ Some interesting personal conduct stats there .... on the negative side.
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︎ Those things tend to follow you around you around your play later around, eh ?
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︎ ︎ I lifted a few blurbs about Caleb Williams from an NFL Scout’s (Dan Kelly) perspective. . .
READ ON -->
● Pro Football Focus recorded Williams at 3.44 seconds in 2022 and 3.21 seconds in 2023. Williams was sacked 63 times (2022-2023). Only seven NFL QBs are over 3 seconds (NEXT GEN STATS). Bears’ QB Justin Fields was the slowest (3.23 seconds). Fields was sacked 99 times (2022-2023).
︎ --> Caleb Williams was 2-9 against ranked teams the past two seasons.
︎ --> Post-game conduct ⎯refused to shake hands with Utah and refused to talk to reporters after the UCLA loss.
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︎ Some interesting personal conduct stats there .... on the negative side.
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︎ Those things tend to follow you around you around your play later around, eh ?
★ -->
︎ Some interesting personal conduct stats there .... on the negative side.
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︎ Those things tend to follow you around you around your play later around, eh ?
Another blurb from the same article. . .
Wants to get out of structure as a passer and get reckless as a runner (increased injury risk). He reverts to locking in with receivers. Additionally, he talked down about a fan calling him a “sheep,” and he does unpredictable and uncensored things ranging from painting obscenities on his fingernails to jumping into the stands and crying in his mother’s arms.
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And that's just on the programs he hand selected for himself. What could possibly go wrong as a rookie on a team that doesn't protect the passer very well?
That said, he does have intriguing passing stats when he's not being more generous than Santa Claus to the opponents. Here's his stats sporting good TD:INT ratios but none better than 41:3 from Fields. What got cut off was 35 sacks, for 272 yards and a passer rating of 170.1 in 2023. He takes a lot of sacks at the college level. TDs and INTs are bolded below.
SEASONGPCOMPPATTATT/GPCTPYDSPYDS/ATTPYDS/GPTDLNG300+INTSCKSCK YDSQBRI lifted a few blurbs about Caleb Williams from an NFL Scout’s (Dan Kelly) perspective. . .
Pro Football Focus recorded Williams at 3.44 seconds in 2022 and 3.21 seconds in 2023. Williams was sacked 63 times (2022-2023). Only seven NFL QBs are over 3 seconds (NEXT GEN STATS). Bears’ QB Justin Fields was the slowest (3.23 seconds). Fields was sacked 99 times (2022-2023).
Williams was 2-9 against ranked teams the past two seasons.
Post-game conduct ⎯refused to shake hands with Utah and refused to talk to reporters after the UCLA loss.
I lifted a few blurbs about Caleb Williams from an NFL Scout’s (Dan Kelly) perspective. . .
Pro Football Focus recorded Williams at 3.44 seconds in 2022 and 3.21 seconds in 2023. Williams was sacked 63 times (2022-2023). Only seven NFL QBs are over 3 seconds (NEXT GEN STATS). Bears’ QB Justin Fields was the slowest (3.23 seconds). Fields was sacked 99 times (2022-2023).
Williams was 2-9 against ranked teams the past two seasons.
Post-game conduct ⎯refused to shake hands with Utah and refused to talk to reporters after the UCLA loss.
Thanks for all that info CD. What are the Bears thinking? They should keep Fields, draft Marvin Harrison and some OL.
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I lifted a few blurbs about Caleb Williams from an NFL Scout’s (Dan Kelly) perspective. . .
Pro Football Focus recorded Williams at 3.44 seconds in 2022 and 3.21 seconds in 2023. Williams was sacked 63 times (2022-2023). Only seven NFL QBs are over 3 seconds (NEXT GEN STATS). Bears’ QB Justin Fields was the slowest (3.23 seconds). Fields was sacked 99 times (2022-2023).
Williams was 2-9 against ranked teams the past two seasons.
Post-game conduct ⎯refused to shake hands with Utah and refused to talk to reporters after the UCLA loss.
Thanks for all that info CD. What are the Bears thinking? They should keep Fields, draft Marvin Harrison and some OL.
Thanks for all that info CD. What are the Bears thinking? They should keep Fields, draft Marvin Harrison and some OL.
That would be the logical thing to do, but you know as well as I do when you have a rabid fan base, and a constant churn of FO personnel along with HC’s….there’s no stability. I’m hoping as a Browns fan those days are behind us.
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Thanks for all that info CD. What are the Bears thinking? They should keep Fields, draft Marvin Harrison and some OL.
That would be the logical thing to do, but you know as well as I do when you have a rabid fan base, and a constant churn of FO personnel along with HC’s….there’s no stability. I’m hoping as a Browns fan those days are behind us.
That would be the logical thing to do, but you know as well as I do when you have a rabid fan base, and a constant churn of FO personnel along with HC’s….there’s no stability. I’m hoping as a Browns fan those days are behind us.
Me too!
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@flugel said:
If it set the team back so far, why did the team just win 11 games 2 years into the trade? As far as your concern about holding ALL men responsible for extensive sexual harassment/misconduct histories (including former reality TV stars) - you've been very reluctant to do that. ? That's what is really eating your ass!
Looks like Tattle Cal has been busy complaining to you. While you're playing Lancelot for him - can you take a selfie in your adorable armor?
Have you ever wondered where all this love and affection for Baker was from Cal back when the guy was actually a Cleveland Brown? No? For some reason, you guys are rooting more for him today as a TB Buc. And all of this was because a very rich man (Watson) felt above the law with the ladies after they made him disrobe for the massage table. When you START holding other men with extensive histories of sexual harassment just as responsible - I'll take you and your poli buddy Cal a lot more serious about the subject.
In the last 2 years or so, have you EVER seen me over on the poli board trying to cause trouble or even posting at all? I stay in my lane (on the football board) and you fucking know that. And Aggies defended this country on foreign soil so I respect the guy and his passion and knowledge for football and get this - THE BROWNS. Like always and especially under Atenears' watch back in the day - troll the football board at your own risk...
I don't care about Cal. And I don't give a fuck about anybody's opinions on Politics on this particular board and even though you are my friend I will delete your post right after I make this response. I personally a huge fan of Baker Mayfield I love the guys attitude I love the chip on his shoulder I love his ability to overcome adversity and I love the fact that he took a second rate team to the playoffs. Again I don't think Watson should be denied an opportunity to make a living but so far he sucks. Maybe it will turn around.
So for anybody here that wants to attack Cal for liking the guy he might as well attack me too.
And unlike the Browns front office Todd Bowles in Tampa Bay tried to work with what Baker had to offer. Whatever the reason was for the hostility up here fuck them too. But it's always good to have the Puritans check in.
WSS
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@flugel said:
If it set the team back so far, why did the team just win 11 games 2 years into the trade? As far as your concern about holding ALL men responsible for extensive sexual harassment/misconduct histories (including former reality TV stars) - you've been very reluctant to do that. ? That's what is really eating your ass!
Looks like Tattle Cal has been busy complaining to you. While you're playing Lancelot for him - can you take a selfie in your adorable armor?
Have you ever wondered where all this love and affection for Baker was from Cal back when the guy was actually a Cleveland Brown? No? For some reason, you guys are rooting more for him today as a TB Buc. And all of this was because a very rich man (Watson) felt above the law with the ladies after they made him disrobe for the massage table. When you START holding other men with extensive histories of sexual harassment just as responsible - I'll take you and your poli buddy Cal a lot more serious about the subject.
In the last 2 years or so, have you EVER seen me over on the poli board trying to cause trouble or even posting at all? I stay in my lane (on the football board) and you fucking know that. And Aggies defended this country on foreign soil so I respect the guy and his passion and knowledge for football and get this - THE BROWNS. Like always and especially under Atenears' watch back in the day - troll the football board at your own risk...
I don't care about Cal. And I don't give a fuck about anybody's opinions on Politics on this particular board and even though you are my friend I will delete your post right after I make this response. I personally a huge fan of Baker Mayfield I love the guys attitude I love the chip on his shoulder I love his ability to overcome adversity and I love the fact that he took a second rate team to the playoffs. Again I don't think Watson should be denied an opportunity to make a living but so far he sucks. Maybe it will turn around.
So for anybody here that wants to attack Cal for liking the guy he might as well attack me too.
And unlike the Browns front office Todd Bowles in Tampa Bay tried to work with what Baker had to offer. Whatever the reason was for the hostility up here fuck them too. But it's always good to have the Puritans check in.
WSS
I don't care about Cal. And I don't give a fuck about anybody's opinions on Politics on this particular board and even though you are my friend I will delete your post right after I make this response. I personally a huge fan of Baker Mayfield I love the guys attitude I love the chip on his shoulder I love his ability to overcome adversity and I love the fact that he took a second rate team to the playoffs. Again I don't think Watson should be denied an opportunity to make a living but so far he sucks. Maybe it will turn around.
So for anybody here that wants to attack Cal for liking the guy he might as well attack me too.
And unlike the Browns front office Todd Bowles in Tampa Bay tried to work with what Baker had to offer. Whatever the reason was for the hostility up here fuck them too. But it's always good to have the Puritans check in.
WSS
Nobody on the TB Bucs board would attack you at all for rooting for their team. Like I said, it's just weird Cal didn't root for Baker until he was playing for TB.
As for the guy that drafted Baker #1 overall John Dorsey not trying to help Baker at al. He added 2 Pro Bowl WRs in 2018 and 2019. Jarvis Landry was a HUGE help to his rookie QB in 2018. In 2019 Landry had 83 catches for 1174 yards at 14.1 yards a catch and 6 TDs while OBJ added 74 receptions for 1035 yards at 14 yards a catch and 4 TDs in the same year. Please show us how that's a FO not trying to help his young QB? 1 year later Berry became the GM and the Browns drafted 1 OT in the 1st round while adding an All Pro Tackle in FA. Meanwhile the line had 2 Pro Bowl Guards with Nick Chubb in the backfield. Aside from that 1st round TE David Njoku was already here from the 2017 draft. The biggest obstacle was OBJ wasn't durable so injuries impacted his chemistry with Baker.
To say nobody in the FO ever tried to help Baker succeed because Cal keeps telling you so is very lazy research on your part.
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I don't care about Cal. And I don't give a fuck about anybody's opinions on Politics on this particular board and even though you are my friend I will delete your post right after I make this response. I personally a huge fan of Baker Mayfield I love the guys attitude I love the chip on his shoulder I love his ability to overcome adversity and I love the fact that he took a second rate team to the playoffs. Again I don't think Watson should be denied an opportunity to make a living but so far he sucks. Maybe it will turn around.
So for anybody here that wants to attack Cal for liking the guy he might as well attack me too.
And unlike the Browns front office Todd Bowles in Tampa Bay tried to work with what Baker had to offer. Whatever the reason was for the hostility up here fuck them too. But it's always good to have the Puritans check in.
WSS
Nobody on the TB Bucs board would attack you at all for rooting for their team. Like I said, it's just weird Cal didn't root for Baker until he was playing for TB.
As for the guy that drafted Baker #1 overall John Dorsey not trying to help Baker at al. He added 2 Pro Bowl WRs in 2018 and 2019. Jarvis Landry was a HUGE help to his rookie QB in 2018. In 2019 Landry had 83 catches for 1174 yards at 14.1 yards a catch and 6 TDs while OBJ added 74 receptions for 1035 yards at 14 yards a catch and 4 TDs in the same year. Please show us how that's a FO not trying to help his young QB? 1 year later Berry became the GM and the Browns drafted 1 OT in the 1st round while adding an All Pro Tackle in FA. Meanwhile the line had 2 Pro Bowl Guards with Nick Chubb in the backfield. Aside from that 1st round TE David Njoku was already here from the 2017 draft. The biggest obstacle was OBJ wasn't durable so injuries impacted his chemistry with Baker.
To say nobody in the FO ever tried to help Baker succeed because Cal keeps telling you so is very lazy research on your part.
Nobody on the TB Bucs board would attack you at all for rooting for their team. Like I said, it's just weird Cal didn't root for Baker until he was playing for TB.
As for the guy that drafted Baker #1 overall John Dorsey not trying to help Baker at al. He added 2 Pro Bowl WRs in 2018 and 2019. Jarvis Landry was a HUGE help to his rookie QB in 2018. In 2019 Landry had 83 catches for 1174 yards at 14.1 yards a catch and 6 TDs while OBJ added 74 receptions for 1035 yards at 14 yards a catch and 4 TDs in the same year. Please show us how that's a FO not trying to help his young QB? 1 year later Berry became the GM and the Browns drafted 1 OT in the 1st round while adding an All Pro Tackle in FA. Meanwhile the line had 2 Pro Bowl Guards with Nick Chubb in the backfield. Aside from that 1st round TE David Njoku was already here from the 2017 draft. The biggest obstacle was OBJ wasn't durable so injuries impacted his chemistry with Baker.
To say nobody in the FO ever tried to help Baker succeed because Cal keeps telling you so is very lazy research on your part.
Not really talking about dorsey. Talking about stefanski Haslam et al. Also not talking about bringing in players to help him out. I'm not sure who the source of the Mayfield hostility fell in the laps of. Or why. And again it doesn't matter if the coaching staff the GM and the owner aren't happy with somebody and aren't planning on trying to resign him they must have their reasons. If the same people decided that Watson was going to be the savior of the team and we're willing to overlook the off the field stuff that's fine too. I just didn't agree with it and until something big changes I'm sitting in the catbird seat.
And again even though this isn't about Cal except for a couple of you guys I don't remember him disliking Baker? Neither do you. I think he may have preferred Josh Allen which probably would have been a better quarterback than Watson but that's life. At its apples and oranges.
Also on the rare occasion that Cal points out that he thinks he's been mistreated I tell him to put on his big boy pants. The only reason I deleted your shit is because I've asked you guys respectfully to keep the fucking politics off here if you don't have the balls to come over the political board. By the way mike, that's your job . That goes for all of you people liberals conservatives together.
WSS
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Nobody on the TB Bucs board would attack you at all for rooting for their team. Like I said, it's just weird Cal didn't root for Baker until he was playing for TB.
As for the guy that drafted Baker #1 overall John Dorsey not trying to help Baker at al. He added 2 Pro Bowl WRs in 2018 and 2019. Jarvis Landry was a HUGE help to his rookie QB in 2018. In 2019 Landry had 83 catches for 1174 yards at 14.1 yards a catch and 6 TDs while OBJ added 74 receptions for 1035 yards at 14 yards a catch and 4 TDs in the same year. Please show us how that's a FO not trying to help his young QB? 1 year later Berry became the GM and the Browns drafted 1 OT in the 1st round while adding an All Pro Tackle in FA. Meanwhile the line had 2 Pro Bowl Guards with Nick Chubb in the backfield. Aside from that 1st round TE David Njoku was already here from the 2017 draft. The biggest obstacle was OBJ wasn't durable so injuries impacted his chemistry with Baker.
To say nobody in the FO ever tried to help Baker succeed because Cal keeps telling you so is very lazy research on your part.
Not really talking about dorsey. Talking about stefanski Haslam et al. Also not talking about bringing in players to help him out. I'm not sure who the source of the Mayfield hostility fell in the laps of. Or why. And again it doesn't matter if the coaching staff the GM and the owner aren't happy with somebody and aren't planning on trying to resign him they must have their reasons. If the same people decided that Watson was going to be the savior of the team and we're willing to overlook the off the field stuff that's fine too. I just didn't agree with it and until something big changes I'm sitting in the catbird seat.
And again even though this isn't about Cal except for a couple of you guys I don't remember him disliking Baker? Neither do you. I think he may have preferred Josh Allen which probably would have been a better quarterback than Watson but that's life. At its apples and oranges.
Also on the rare occasion that Cal points out that he thinks he's been mistreated I tell him to put on his big boy pants. The only reason I deleted your shit is because I've asked you guys respectfully to keep the fucking politics off here if you don't have the balls to come over the political board. By the way mike, that's your job . That goes for all of you people liberals conservatives together.
WSS
Not really talking about dorsey. Talking about stefanski Haslam et al. Also not talking about bringing in players to help him out. I'm not sure who the source of the Mayfield hostility fell in the laps of. Or why. And again it doesn't matter if the coaching staff the GM and the owner aren't happy with somebody and aren't planning on trying to resign him they must have their reasons. If the same people decided that Watson was going to be the savior of the team and we're willing to overlook the off the field stuff that's fine too. I just didn't agree with it and until something big changes I'm sitting in the catbird seat.
And again even though this isn't about Cal except for a couple of you guys I don't remember him disliking Baker? Neither do you. I think he may have preferred Josh Allen which probably would have been a better quarterback than Watson but that's life. At its apples and oranges.
Also on the rare occasion that Cal points out that he thinks he's been mistreated I tell him to put on his big boy pants. The only reason I deleted your shit is because I've asked you guys respectfully to keep the fucking politics off here if you don't have the balls to come over the political board. By the way mike, that's your job . That goes for all of you people liberals conservatives together.
WSS
Stefanski has earned NFL Coach of the Year twice in his 4 years with this team inclusive of his very 1st season season here with Baker (an 11 win season) just like this past year with 11 wins (using 5 different QBs 2 backup Right Tackles, 1 backup LT and no Nick Chubb).
He used to piss off Atenears with his weekly/bi-weekly tattling.
Cal keeps repeating the Browns NEVER tried to bring Baker talented WRs and that's just not honest. He's gone Rain Man-level repetition on it.
Anyway, I understand your points so we'll put this behind. As you were...
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