Jameis Winston is a Brown
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Sweet! The Browns continue to dominate the offseason once again.
^ Dammit, forgot the pink font.
Actually the Browns went 11-6 last season.
If you were anything but a troll nowadays, you might have actually noticed and enjoyed it.
But hey, keep making the same pink font joke for the millionth time.
Actually the Browns went 11-6 last season.
If you were anything but a troll nowadays, you might have actually noticed and enjoyed it.
But hey, keep making the same pink font joke for the millionth time.
Hey it's Regina George doing what she does best! You know, quoting other people's posts and then attacking them for their opinions all while pretending to be some kind of Browns Board police.
I'm too busy these days to log onto this site like I once did, but when I do I want to settle down and read a few threads but there you are, on every single one of them making fun of other members' comments with very little else to add.
Whilst my pink font jokes may have gotten old, your endless snark and constant personal attacks of other members and their opinions makes being a part of this forum absolutely no fun.
Maybe try less meat for a week or two to see if that will help your obvious constipation.?
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The metrics and numbers support what Baker has put on film, and the film supports the numbers.
I've done both and shown that work on this board. The nice part about other things being so subjective, is that football is results driven in a much more clear manner.
I don't think I've given you any shit whatsoever for skill with metrics. I still don't understand why my liking Baker (or Joe Namath or Brian Sipe or Kenny Stabler or Joe Pendleton Etc) pisses some of these guys off so badly.
Anyway on a scale of 1 to 10 one being the best, how do you rate the Watson trade according to the numbers over the last few years?
WSS
I don't think I've given you any shit whatsoever for skill with metrics. I still don't understand why my liking Baker (or Joe Namath or Brian Sipe or Kenny Stabler or Joe Pendleton Etc) pisses some of these guys off so badly.
Anyway on a scale of 1 to 10 one being the best, how do you rate the Watson trade according to the numbers over the last few years?
WSS
You're welcomed to like Baker. I like Baker and wish him no ill will. The last home game of his rookie season, I was there, freezing my ass off with the old man, both of us chanting "Ba-ker" with 50k other people. I appreciate his contributions to this team.
Nobody is pissed off at anyone for liking him. It's the constant reminders, in multiple ways, that he's gone and that the Browns have somehow lost a savior. Even more so to the point you have "fans" actively hoping we lose or revel in losses just to 'prove a point'. THAT, is both whiny and intolerable.
I can one-up your scale. Watson's 2020 season was fantastic and the result of him building off a promising 2018 and a stronger 2019. But I've said before, It is, now not or then, a trade I would have made. The money only concerns me from a salary cap perspective. The largest issue(s), and the one that would have held me back were I Jimmy Haslam, was the draft capital surrendered. It was just too steep. Then the firm 'no' from Watson's camp to begin with was the cherry on top.
I get 'why' they did it. You haven't drafted and developed an elite QB in 25 years. So you took the biggest gamble trying to secure one who showed that level of promise. The downside? It's a gamble done by a snake bitten franchise. Which means it's an all or nothing investment, one that usually ties the career of it to the GM that pulled the trigger.
The only saving grace for Berry is that this team has been a breath away from a wild card berth and made another just this past season. Remains to be seen if that's enough success to maintain the goodwill towards his personnel moves, should Watson have a down year and the team move on.
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I don't think I've given you any shit whatsoever for skill with metrics. I still don't understand why my liking Baker (or Joe Namath or Brian Sipe or Kenny Stabler or Joe Pendleton Etc) pisses some of these guys off so badly.
Anyway on a scale of 1 to 10 one being the best, how do you rate the Watson trade according to the numbers over the last few years?
WSS
You're welcomed to like Baker. I like Baker and wish him no ill will. The last home game of his rookie season, I was there, freezing my ass off with the old man, both of us chanting "Ba-ker" with 50k other people. I appreciate his contributions to this team.
Nobody is pissed off at anyone for liking him. It's the constant reminders, in multiple ways, that he's gone and that the Browns have somehow lost a savior. Even more so to the point you have "fans" actively hoping we lose or revel in losses just to 'prove a point'. THAT, is both whiny and intolerable.
I can one-up your scale. Watson's 2020 season was fantastic and the result of him building off a promising 2018 and a stronger 2019. But I've said before, It is, now not or then, a trade I would have made. The money only concerns me from a salary cap perspective. The largest issue(s), and the one that would have held me back were I Jimmy Haslam, was the draft capital surrendered. It was just too steep. Then the firm 'no' from Watson's camp to begin with was the cherry on top.
I get 'why' they did it. You haven't drafted and developed an elite QB in 25 years. So you took the biggest gamble trying to secure one who showed that level of promise. The downside? It's a gamble done by a snake bitten franchise. Which means it's an all or nothing investment, one that usually ties the career of it to the GM that pulled the trigger.
The only saving grace for Berry is that this team has been a breath away from a wild card berth and made another just this past season. Remains to be seen if that's enough success to maintain the goodwill towards his personnel moves, should Watson have a down year and the team move on.
Even more so to the point you have "fans" actively hoping we lose or revel in losses just to 'prove a point'. THAT, is both whiny and intolerable.
sorry, Shirley, but nobody really does that. Grow up someday, girl.
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I get it, just as the front office seems to see it the same way as I. So there's that.
You know damn good and well there is a block of fans looking for an excuse to root against Watson. A QB controversy will cost us more wins than some back-up QB might lose. Got it?
Welcome to Cleveland! Bringing up a QB controversy implies you're confident in Watson? Actions speaking louder than words shows you worrying his critics are right.
Do you know how big or sturdy that surgically repaired bone behind the ball and socket is today? I'm gonna walk you through a scenario that should be a stronger protection of the investment at QB than it is. True story, Jed Wills is our blind side pass protector again just like he was SUPPOSED to be last year. We're playing bigtime pretend here that there won't be another blind side turf plant on Watson where the physics don't favor a QB landing on his rehabbed throwing shoulder again. Then what? Join you and others in hoping the backup doesn't play well enough to hurt Watson's feelings?
Just 12 starts in 2 years for the size of contract up against our cap space has his critics asking "why are the Browns always counting on other QBs in lieu of Watson?" Allow me: PJ Walker, DTR, Joe Flacco, Jeff Driskel, Jacoby Brissett. So the next time everyone fusses how bad a backup stunk you want me calm them down with "Yeah, but there's no QB controversy." To answer your question Oh yeah I got it!
Are we really missing 1-15 and 0-16 football seasons where there were no QB controversies because all our QBs sucked equally? It's okay for loyal fans like yourself to ask for better than this Ballpeen!
I don't feel the Browns are better off with a backup that doesn't have any upside that also throws a lot of INTs and pick 6s over a young guy willing to play for less $ on a team with surrounding talent good enough to make the playoffs (with 1st round talent and upside of a 24-25 year old). All of this includes the reality that Wills remains the blind side protection plan for the Watson investment. If/when he gets hurt again - your biggest nightmare will now be a larger volume of critics wondering why this was never considered/factored into the thinking from our FO. If someone also wants to tell me 28 other teams didn't think like Pittsburgh did with Justin Fields or consider what his very affordable asking price was - you know where to find me when this plays out. I'll be here. If I'm wrong, I'll know where to find what store has a sale on glue. If I'm right, I'll just drink a bunch of depressants in a frosted mug for the next 10 years...
In the meantime, here's a little summary of Winston's final season in TB in an article I found with the very last sentence below showing his pick 6 volume of 7 that season:
https://www.nfl.com/news/jameis-winston-in-30-30-club-with-game-ending-pick-6-0ap3000001092681
It was somehow equal parts stunning, fitting, amazing and conclusive all in one as Jameis Winston became the first NFL player to find his way into the dubious 30-30 club.
With the Buccaneers' final game of the season having found its way into overtime, Winston threw the first and only overtime play from scrimmage into the arms of Falcons linebacker Deion Jones. Jones promptly raced 27 yards the other way to give Atlanta a 28-22 win over Tampa Bay in the teams' season finale.
Can't-Miss Play: Winston's desperation heave ends in INSANE TD by grab PerrimanUpon his final pass of the definition of a mercurial season, Winston became the first player in NFL history to throw 30-or-more touchdowns and 30 interceptions, finishing with 33 scores and 30 catches by the other team. He also set a new league mark with seven interceptions returned for touchdowns.
Welcome to Cleveland! Bringing up a QB controversy implies you're confident in Watson? Actions speaking louder than words shows you worrying his critics are right.
Sorry man, I pretty much stopped reading there and know you put some work in to response.
You ignored my point. You know, I assume you do, there are many people seeking to find anything wrong with Watson and will jump at the chance to just rip the guy. Heck, many will not be satisfied with anything he does as QB..
Using your logic, it sounds like you are wanting the back-up to play and don't like the selection.
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Welcome to Cleveland! Bringing up a QB controversy implies you're confident in Watson? Actions speaking louder than words shows you worrying his critics are right.
Sorry man, I pretty much stopped reading there and know you put some work in to response.
You ignored my point. You know, I assume you do, there are many people seeking to find anything wrong with Watson and will jump at the chance to just rip the guy. Heck, many will not be satisfied with anything he does as QB..
Using your logic, it sounds like you are wanting the back-up to play and don't like the selection.
You ignored my point. You know, I assume you do, there are many people seeking to find anything wrong with Watson and will jump at the chance to just rip the guy. Heck, many will not be satisfied with anything he does as QB..
Using your logic, it sounds like you are wanting the back-up to play and don't like the selection.
The Brownies would have been better served, from a talent development standpoint, in trading low draft capital for Fields and sitting him behind Watson. This is both a smart move in terms of keeping roster churning, but also any potential long term contingency plan. That's where Flugs is right.
Every Buckeye and their mother, shouting about Watson getting off the field the moment he throws a single interception, while the cheers rain down for Fields, is another reality you are absolutely correct about as well. One, I'd reckon, is the biggest reason a trade for Justin wasn't explored further by the front office.
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sorry, Shirley, but nobody really does that. Grow up someday, girl.
You are adorable.
Full of shit, yet so adorable. ?
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Welcome to Cleveland! Bringing up a QB controversy implies you're confident in Watson? Actions speaking louder than words shows you worrying his critics are right.
Sorry man, I pretty much stopped reading there and know you put some work in to response.
You ignored my point. You know, I assume you do, there are many people seeking to find anything wrong with Watson and will jump at the chance to just rip the guy. Heck, many will not be satisfied with anything he does as QB..
Using your logic, it sounds like you are wanting the back-up to play and don't like the selection.
You ignored my point. You know, I assume you do, there are many people seeking to find anything wrong with Watson and will jump at the chance to just rip the guy. Heck, many will not be satisfied with anything he does as QB..
Using your logic, it sounds like you are wanting the back-up to play and don't like the selection.
Do you see how often I argue with Watson's critics all year round in here? Where in those actions shows me wanting a back-up to play QB instead of the QB (Watson) I was excited we went after? How many times have I typed I wanted us to DRAFT Watson when we could have.
My 3 concerns that I touched on starting are as follows: #1) we have Wills protecting the blind side of Watson (which means it isn't a question of IF he lets Watson get planted on the throwing shoulder again but WHEN he allows it); 2) I don't know if the bone Watson broke behind the right shoulder ball and socket is going to be sturdy enough to withstand the trauma of any violent collisions that may plant him on it. I can only hope it is but that won't stop me from worrying. If it isn't - we're really going to hear from his critics especially if it's career ending; 3) Because of those 2 things - I complained about not even inquiring with Chicago about Fields because he's young, only costs a 6th round pick and a salary of 3.22 million in comparison to what we're paying Jameis. He's also a lot more mobile than Jameis. Your beef with me (and you're not alone with it) is if we had Fields and he had to play - you think me and others would prefer him to Watson. If given the choice of both guys at their best - I'd take Watson any day. The reason the backup QB position is getting way more attention this off-season than last off-season is because of the uncertainty of Watson's shoulder and if it'll be durable. My favorite just in case is Justin Fields for this situation. We didn't root against Flacco last year when he heated up to help the Browns finish strong enough to win 11 games. Nobody was worrying about Watson's feelings. Watson is 8-4 in games he started so that's what keeps the Browns fans happy. I'm with you - I just wanted my perceived better bang for the buck backing up Watson.
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You ignored my point. You know, I assume you do, there are many people seeking to find anything wrong with Watson and will jump at the chance to just rip the guy. Heck, many will not be satisfied with anything he does as QB..
Using your logic, it sounds like you are wanting the back-up to play and don't like the selection.
The Brownies would have been better served, from a talent development standpoint, in trading low draft capital for Fields and sitting him behind Watson. This is both a smart move in terms of keeping roster churning, but also any potential long term contingency plan. That's where Flugs is right.
Every Buckeye and their mother, shouting about Watson getting off the field the moment he throws a single interception, while the cheers rain down for Fields, is another reality you are absolutely correct about as well. One, I'd reckon, is the biggest reason a trade for Justin wasn't explored further by the front office.
The Brownies would have been better served, from a talent development standpoint, in trading low draft capital for Fields and sitting him behind Watson. This is both a smart move in terms of keeping roster churning, but also any potential long term contingency plan. That's where Flugs is right.
Every Buckeye and their mother, shouting about Watson getting off the field the moment he throws a single interception, while the cheers rain down for Fields, is another reality you are absolutely correct about as well. One, I'd reckon, is the biggest reason a trade for Justin wasn't explored further by the front office.
And the reason why.
I've never said Winston was the best choice. Simply the only choice, which becomes the best choice.
This team, with a good D doesn't need to be conducting a battle of the bands, so to speak.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. -
The stuff about JWs personality and locker room presence seems to be very legit indeed.
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The Brownies would have been better served, from a talent development standpoint, in trading low draft capital for Fields and sitting him behind Watson. This is both a smart move in terms of keeping roster churning, but also any potential long term contingency plan. That's where Flugs is right.
Every Buckeye and their mother, shouting about Watson getting off the field the moment he throws a single interception, while the cheers rain down for Fields, is another reality you are absolutely correct about as well. One, I'd reckon, is the biggest reason a trade for Justin wasn't explored further by the front office.
And the reason why.
I've never said Winston was the best choice. Simply the only choice, which becomes the best choice.
This team, with a good D doesn't need to be conducting a battle of the bands, so to speak.
And the reason why. I've never said Winston was the best choice. Simply the only choice, which becomes the best choice. This team, with a good D doesn't need to be conducting a battle of the bands, so to speak.
I get where you're coming from more than I allowed myself to when we first started talking about it. As you can see, there are avid Ohio State fans like Dutch and Tia that gave this far better consideration than I did. There's probably others as well.
Well played on that last sentence above. We also don't want to be dotting the i if it's an interception. I feel bad for Flacco in the sense his 2 pick 6s in Houston are the final memory of him as a Cleveland Brown. Having said that, I got the feeling he pleasantly surprised most of us with his razor sharp performances near the end of the regular season when we really needed him to. Fun memories as a fan...
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
The stuff about JWs personality and locker room presence seems to be very legit indeed.
The stuff about JWs personality and locker room presence seems to be very legit indeed.
This is a good reminder about what Jameis can offer the Browns and Watson as an older vet that Fields doesn't have the experience to do yet. I took the mini bus to summer school to get to this; but I got to it and forgot my lunch. I just wish we got a better sale on the all you can consume Crablegs...
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And the reason why. I've never said Winston was the best choice. Simply the only choice, which becomes the best choice. This team, with a good D doesn't need to be conducting a battle of the bands, so to speak.
I get where you're coming from more than I allowed myself to when we first started talking about it. As you can see, there are avid Ohio State fans like Dutch and Tia that gave this far better consideration than I did. There's probably others as well.
Well played on that last sentence above. We also don't want to be dotting the i if it's an interception. I feel bad for Flacco in the sense his 2 pick 6s in Houston are the final memory of him as a Cleveland Brown. Having said that, I got the feeling he pleasantly surprised most of us with his razor sharp performances near the end of the regular season when we really needed him to. Fun memories as a fan...
I get where you're coming from more than I allowed myself to when we first started talking about it. As you can see, there are avid Ohio State fans like Dutch and Tia that gave this far better consideration than I did. There's probably others as well.
Well played on that last sentence above. We also don't want to be dotting the i if it's an interception. I feel bad for Flacco in the sense his 2 pick 6s in Houston are the final memory of him as a Cleveland Brown. Having said that, I got the feeling he pleasantly surprised most of us with his razor sharp performances near the end of the regular season when we really needed him to. Fun memories as a fan...
Here's the thing - and tia hit on it earlier - you aren't wrong for wishing the Browns would have used a sixth round pick on a lottery ticket like Fields. And dog help us if Fields actually reaches his potential in Pittsburgh.
It's more of a situation of tia, ballpeen and myself realizing that with three years left on Watson's contract, coming off a pretty serious injury and all the off-field nonsense that lead up to it, there just were certain things the Browns weren't going to do regarding the QB room, in our opinion. Doesn't mean you're wrong to want it to happen.
Oh wait, I forgot, I never add anything of worth to any of these threads. All I do is add snark and lob personal attacks. Strike everything I wrote above. You are a poopy head. Ahhhh... much better. ?
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Kevin Stefanski Reveals Why Browns Chose Jameis Winston Over Joe Flacco
Kevin Stefanski Reveals Why Browns Chose Jameis Winston Over Joe Flacco (factoryofsadness.co)
Flacco and Winston basically signed for similar one-year deals around $4-5 million in free agency. So, the Browns' decision was certainly not financial-related. Flacco will likely not start in Indianapolis either as they have promising youngster Anthony Richardson at the helm there. So, role and playing time wasn't a reason, either.
For Stefanski, it was solely about Winston's talent and fit. Calling him a "talented, talented football player", Stefanski couldn't contain his excitement about integrating Winston into the offense.
That doesn't mean, however, that coach had anything but glowing things to say about Joe Flacco.
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Kevin Stefanski Reveals Why Browns Chose Jameis Winston Over Joe Flacco
Kevin Stefanski Reveals Why Browns Chose Jameis Winston Over Joe Flacco (factoryofsadness.co)
Flacco and Winston basically signed for similar one-year deals around $4-5 million in free agency. So, the Browns' decision was certainly not financial-related. Flacco will likely not start in Indianapolis either as they have promising youngster Anthony Richardson at the helm there. So, role and playing time wasn't a reason, either.
For Stefanski, it was solely about Winston's talent and fit. Calling him a "talented, talented football player", Stefanski couldn't contain his excitement about integrating Winston into the offense.
That doesn't mean, however, that coach had anything but glowing things to say about Joe Flacco.
Kevin Stefanski Reveals Why Browns Chose Jameis Winston Over Joe Flacco
Kevin Stefanski Reveals Why Browns Chose Jameis Winston Over Joe Flacco (factoryofsadness.co)
Flacco and Winston basically signed for similar one-year deals around $4-5 million in free agency. So, the Browns' decision was certainly not financial-related. Flacco will likely not start in Indianapolis either as they have promising youngster Anthony Richardson at the helm there. So, role and playing time wasn't a reason, either.
For Stefanski, it was solely about Winston's talent and fit. Calling him a "talented, talented football player", Stefanski couldn't contain his excitement about integrating Winston into the offense.
That doesn't mean, however, that coach had anything but glowing things to say about Joe Flacco.
Bullshit... its all about Watsons frail mentality.. The huge difference between Flacco and Crab legs is Flacco can overcome his INT's... Jameis historically falls completely apart... Give me the guy whose won it all... Winston is pure trash as a player and a person...
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Kevin Stefanski Reveals Why Browns Chose Jameis Winston Over Joe Flacco
Kevin Stefanski Reveals Why Browns Chose Jameis Winston Over Joe Flacco (factoryofsadness.co)
Flacco and Winston basically signed for similar one-year deals around $4-5 million in free agency. So, the Browns' decision was certainly not financial-related. Flacco will likely not start in Indianapolis either as they have promising youngster Anthony Richardson at the helm there. So, role and playing time wasn't a reason, either.
For Stefanski, it was solely about Winston's talent and fit. Calling him a "talented, talented football player", Stefanski couldn't contain his excitement about integrating Winston into the offense.
That doesn't mean, however, that coach had anything but glowing things to say about Joe Flacco.
Bullshit... its all about Watsons frail mentality.. The huge difference between Flacco and Crab legs is Flacco can overcome his INT's... Jameis historically falls completely apart... Give me the guy whose won it all... Winston is pure trash as a player and a person...
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Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
Explains that massive comeback against Houston.
nickers can excuse back-to-back pick sixes when they are thrown by non-running quarterbacks.
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non-running quarterbacks.
Flacco is basically nothing like Watson. This is a monkey wrench for the offense when the backup needs to play.
Me, I prefer the drop back passer...like Flacco or Tom Brady. The OLine knows where the QB will be. They know he'll only run when time has completely run out and there is no other alternative. I don't like my most important and most expensive player on my football team running around making big fat guys' eyes light up as they're looking for an angle to knock the guy into the blue tent. But that's just me.
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
non-running quarterbacks.
Flacco is basically nothing like Watson. This is a monkey wrench for the offense when the backup needs to play.
Me, I prefer the drop back passer...like Flacco or Tom Brady. The OLine knows where the QB will be. They know he'll only run when time has completely run out and there is no other alternative. I don't like my most important and most expensive player on my football team running around making big fat guys' eyes light up as they're looking for an angle to knock the guy into the blue tent. But that's just me.
Flacco is basically nothing like Watson. This is a monkey wrench for the offense when the backup needs to play.
Me, I prefer the drop back passer...like Flacco or Tom Brady. The OLine knows where the QB will be. They know he'll only run when time has completely run out and there is no other alternative. I don't like my most important and most expensive player on my football team running around making big fat guys' eyes light up as they're looking for an angle to knock the guy into the blue tent. But that's just me.
I totally concur!
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