Jameis Winston is a Brown
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You ignored my point. You know, I assume you do, there are many people seeking to find anything wrong with Watson and will jump at the chance to just rip the guy. Heck, many will not be satisfied with anything he does as QB..
Using your logic, it sounds like you are wanting the back-up to play and don't like the selection.
The Brownies would have been better served, from a talent development standpoint, in trading low draft capital for Fields and sitting him behind Watson. This is both a smart move in terms of keeping roster churning, but also any potential long term contingency plan. That's where Flugs is right.
Every Buckeye and their mother, shouting about Watson getting off the field the moment he throws a single interception, while the cheers rain down for Fields, is another reality you are absolutely correct about as well. One, I'd reckon, is the biggest reason a trade for Justin wasn't explored further by the front office.
The Brownies would have been better served, from a talent development standpoint, in trading low draft capital for Fields and sitting him behind Watson. This is both a smart move in terms of keeping roster churning, but also any potential long term contingency plan. That's where Flugs is right.
Every Buckeye and their mother, shouting about Watson getting off the field the moment he throws a single interception, while the cheers rain down for Fields, is another reality you are absolutely correct about as well. One, I'd reckon, is the biggest reason a trade for Justin wasn't explored further by the front office.
And the reason why.
I've never said Winston was the best choice. Simply the only choice, which becomes the best choice.
This team, with a good D doesn't need to be conducting a battle of the bands, so to speak.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. -
The stuff about JWs personality and locker room presence seems to be very legit indeed.
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The Brownies would have been better served, from a talent development standpoint, in trading low draft capital for Fields and sitting him behind Watson. This is both a smart move in terms of keeping roster churning, but also any potential long term contingency plan. That's where Flugs is right.
Every Buckeye and their mother, shouting about Watson getting off the field the moment he throws a single interception, while the cheers rain down for Fields, is another reality you are absolutely correct about as well. One, I'd reckon, is the biggest reason a trade for Justin wasn't explored further by the front office.
And the reason why.
I've never said Winston was the best choice. Simply the only choice, which becomes the best choice.
This team, with a good D doesn't need to be conducting a battle of the bands, so to speak.
And the reason why. I've never said Winston was the best choice. Simply the only choice, which becomes the best choice. This team, with a good D doesn't need to be conducting a battle of the bands, so to speak.
I get where you're coming from more than I allowed myself to when we first started talking about it. As you can see, there are avid Ohio State fans like Dutch and Tia that gave this far better consideration than I did. There's probably others as well.
Well played on that last sentence above. We also don't want to be dotting the i if it's an interception. I feel bad for Flacco in the sense his 2 pick 6s in Houston are the final memory of him as a Cleveland Brown. Having said that, I got the feeling he pleasantly surprised most of us with his razor sharp performances near the end of the regular season when we really needed him to. Fun memories as a fan...
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
The stuff about JWs personality and locker room presence seems to be very legit indeed.
The stuff about JWs personality and locker room presence seems to be very legit indeed.
This is a good reminder about what Jameis can offer the Browns and Watson as an older vet that Fields doesn't have the experience to do yet. I took the mini bus to summer school to get to this; but I got to it and forgot my lunch. I just wish we got a better sale on the all you can consume Crablegs...
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And the reason why. I've never said Winston was the best choice. Simply the only choice, which becomes the best choice. This team, with a good D doesn't need to be conducting a battle of the bands, so to speak.
I get where you're coming from more than I allowed myself to when we first started talking about it. As you can see, there are avid Ohio State fans like Dutch and Tia that gave this far better consideration than I did. There's probably others as well.
Well played on that last sentence above. We also don't want to be dotting the i if it's an interception. I feel bad for Flacco in the sense his 2 pick 6s in Houston are the final memory of him as a Cleveland Brown. Having said that, I got the feeling he pleasantly surprised most of us with his razor sharp performances near the end of the regular season when we really needed him to. Fun memories as a fan...
I get where you're coming from more than I allowed myself to when we first started talking about it. As you can see, there are avid Ohio State fans like Dutch and Tia that gave this far better consideration than I did. There's probably others as well.
Well played on that last sentence above. We also don't want to be dotting the i if it's an interception. I feel bad for Flacco in the sense his 2 pick 6s in Houston are the final memory of him as a Cleveland Brown. Having said that, I got the feeling he pleasantly surprised most of us with his razor sharp performances near the end of the regular season when we really needed him to. Fun memories as a fan...
Here's the thing - and tia hit on it earlier - you aren't wrong for wishing the Browns would have used a sixth round pick on a lottery ticket like Fields. And dog help us if Fields actually reaches his potential in Pittsburgh.
It's more of a situation of tia, ballpeen and myself realizing that with three years left on Watson's contract, coming off a pretty serious injury and all the off-field nonsense that lead up to it, there just were certain things the Browns weren't going to do regarding the QB room, in our opinion. Doesn't mean you're wrong to want it to happen.
Oh wait, I forgot, I never add anything of worth to any of these threads. All I do is add snark and lob personal attacks. Strike everything I wrote above. You are a poopy head. Ahhhh... much better. ?
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Kevin Stefanski Reveals Why Browns Chose Jameis Winston Over Joe Flacco
Kevin Stefanski Reveals Why Browns Chose Jameis Winston Over Joe Flacco (factoryofsadness.co)
Flacco and Winston basically signed for similar one-year deals around $4-5 million in free agency. So, the Browns' decision was certainly not financial-related. Flacco will likely not start in Indianapolis either as they have promising youngster Anthony Richardson at the helm there. So, role and playing time wasn't a reason, either.
For Stefanski, it was solely about Winston's talent and fit. Calling him a "talented, talented football player", Stefanski couldn't contain his excitement about integrating Winston into the offense.
That doesn't mean, however, that coach had anything but glowing things to say about Joe Flacco.
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Kevin Stefanski Reveals Why Browns Chose Jameis Winston Over Joe Flacco
Kevin Stefanski Reveals Why Browns Chose Jameis Winston Over Joe Flacco (factoryofsadness.co)
Flacco and Winston basically signed for similar one-year deals around $4-5 million in free agency. So, the Browns' decision was certainly not financial-related. Flacco will likely not start in Indianapolis either as they have promising youngster Anthony Richardson at the helm there. So, role and playing time wasn't a reason, either.
For Stefanski, it was solely about Winston's talent and fit. Calling him a "talented, talented football player", Stefanski couldn't contain his excitement about integrating Winston into the offense.
That doesn't mean, however, that coach had anything but glowing things to say about Joe Flacco.
Kevin Stefanski Reveals Why Browns Chose Jameis Winston Over Joe Flacco
Kevin Stefanski Reveals Why Browns Chose Jameis Winston Over Joe Flacco (factoryofsadness.co)
Flacco and Winston basically signed for similar one-year deals around $4-5 million in free agency. So, the Browns' decision was certainly not financial-related. Flacco will likely not start in Indianapolis either as they have promising youngster Anthony Richardson at the helm there. So, role and playing time wasn't a reason, either.
For Stefanski, it was solely about Winston's talent and fit. Calling him a "talented, talented football player", Stefanski couldn't contain his excitement about integrating Winston into the offense.
That doesn't mean, however, that coach had anything but glowing things to say about Joe Flacco.
Bullshit... its all about Watsons frail mentality.. The huge difference between Flacco and Crab legs is Flacco can overcome his INT's... Jameis historically falls completely apart... Give me the guy whose won it all... Winston is pure trash as a player and a person...
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Kevin Stefanski Reveals Why Browns Chose Jameis Winston Over Joe Flacco
Kevin Stefanski Reveals Why Browns Chose Jameis Winston Over Joe Flacco (factoryofsadness.co)
Flacco and Winston basically signed for similar one-year deals around $4-5 million in free agency. So, the Browns' decision was certainly not financial-related. Flacco will likely not start in Indianapolis either as they have promising youngster Anthony Richardson at the helm there. So, role and playing time wasn't a reason, either.
For Stefanski, it was solely about Winston's talent and fit. Calling him a "talented, talented football player", Stefanski couldn't contain his excitement about integrating Winston into the offense.
That doesn't mean, however, that coach had anything but glowing things to say about Joe Flacco.
Bullshit... its all about Watsons frail mentality.. The huge difference between Flacco and Crab legs is Flacco can overcome his INT's... Jameis historically falls completely apart... Give me the guy whose won it all... Winston is pure trash as a player and a person...
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Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
Explains that massive comeback against Houston.
nickers can excuse back-to-back pick sixes when they are thrown by non-running quarterbacks.
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non-running quarterbacks.
Flacco is basically nothing like Watson. This is a monkey wrench for the offense when the backup needs to play.
Me, I prefer the drop back passer...like Flacco or Tom Brady. The OLine knows where the QB will be. They know he'll only run when time has completely run out and there is no other alternative. I don't like my most important and most expensive player on my football team running around making big fat guys' eyes light up as they're looking for an angle to knock the guy into the blue tent. But that's just me.
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
non-running quarterbacks.
Flacco is basically nothing like Watson. This is a monkey wrench for the offense when the backup needs to play.
Me, I prefer the drop back passer...like Flacco or Tom Brady. The OLine knows where the QB will be. They know he'll only run when time has completely run out and there is no other alternative. I don't like my most important and most expensive player on my football team running around making big fat guys' eyes light up as they're looking for an angle to knock the guy into the blue tent. But that's just me.
Flacco is basically nothing like Watson. This is a monkey wrench for the offense when the backup needs to play.
Me, I prefer the drop back passer...like Flacco or Tom Brady. The OLine knows where the QB will be. They know he'll only run when time has completely run out and there is no other alternative. I don't like my most important and most expensive player on my football team running around making big fat guys' eyes light up as they're looking for an angle to knock the guy into the blue tent. But that's just me.
I totally concur!
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non-running quarterbacks.
Flacco is basically nothing like Watson. This is a monkey wrench for the offense when the backup needs to play.
Me, I prefer the drop back passer...like Flacco or Tom Brady. The OLine knows where the QB will be. They know he'll only run when time has completely run out and there is no other alternative. I don't like my most important and most expensive player on my football team running around making big fat guys' eyes light up as they're looking for an angle to knock the guy into the blue tent. But that's just me.
Flacco is basically nothing like Watson. This is a monkey wrench for the offense when the backup needs to play.
Me, I prefer the drop back passer...like Flacco or Tom Brady. The OLine knows where the QB will be. They know he'll only run when time has completely run out and there is no other alternative. I don't like my most important and most expensive player on my football team running around making big fat guys' eyes light up as they're looking for an angle to knock the guy into the blue tent. But that's just me.
You like drop back passers, guys who stay in the pocket because you think that makes them safer...
David Carr, Tim Couch and Bernie Kosar all fit that description.
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non-running quarterbacks.
Flacco is basically nothing like Watson. This is a monkey wrench for the offense when the backup needs to play.
Me, I prefer the drop back passer...like Flacco or Tom Brady. The OLine knows where the QB will be. They know he'll only run when time has completely run out and there is no other alternative. I don't like my most important and most expensive player on my football team running around making big fat guys' eyes light up as they're looking for an angle to knock the guy into the blue tent. But that's just me.
Flacco is basically nothing like Watson. This is a monkey wrench for the offense when the backup needs to play.
Me, I prefer the drop back passer...like Flacco or Tom Brady. The OLine knows where the QB will be. They know he'll only run when time has completely run out and there is no other alternative. I don't like my most important and most expensive player on my football team running around making big fat guys' eyes light up as they're looking for an angle to knock the guy into the blue tent. But that's just me.
Flacco is more statue-esque, yes. But don't let a couple designed runs and some work when play structure breaks down trick you into believing that either Flacco or Watson aren't drop back passers who work their eyes and arms first.
Passers with mobility have been across the NFL for a long time. Steve Young, McNair, Mcnabb, Ben, Luck, Burrow, Mahomes, etc etc.
You like drop back passers, guys who stay in the pocket because you think that makes them safer...
David Carr, Tim Couch and Bernie Kosar all fit that description.
It isn't just that they are safer, you're limiting potential non-contact injuries. People forget that RG3 knees were aggravated by his lateral cutting ability as much as they were some of the shots they took.
In fairness to Orion, your examples above don't work because two of them played behind the worst Olines in the NFL the last 25 years.
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Flacco is basically nothing like Watson. This is a monkey wrench for the offense when the backup needs to play.
Me, I prefer the drop back passer...like Flacco or Tom Brady. The OLine knows where the QB will be. They know he'll only run when time has completely run out and there is no other alternative. I don't like my most important and most expensive player on my football team running around making big fat guys' eyes light up as they're looking for an angle to knock the guy into the blue tent. But that's just me.
You like drop back passers, guys who stay in the pocket because you think that makes them safer...
David Carr, Tim Couch and Bernie Kosar all fit that description.
You like drop back passers, guys who stay in the pocket because you think that makes them safer...
David Carr, Tim Couch and Bernie Kosar all fit that description.
Sure, drop back passers get hurt too. Brady missed a season, Rogers missed last season. Llamar Jackson missed a lot of a season by getting hurt while in the pocket...not running. But to me, having your QB running around....designing QB runs, etc....is adding a new level of injury danger to your most important guy in the organization. And there's always the mental / emotional aspect of the defense's mindset when a QB is running around embarrassing them. It makes the big fat guys want to smash the QB into pieces all the more. And let's face it, Watson is no big, burly guy. We had to play most of last season without him because he ran and took on tacklers.
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You like drop back passers, guys who stay in the pocket because you think that makes them safer...
David Carr, Tim Couch and Bernie Kosar all fit that description.
Sure, drop back passers get hurt too. Brady missed a season, Rogers missed last season. Llamar Jackson missed a lot of a season by getting hurt while in the pocket...not running. But to me, having your QB running around....designing QB runs, etc....is adding a new level of injury danger to your most important guy in the organization. And there's always the mental / emotional aspect of the defense's mindset when a QB is running around embarrassing them. It makes the big fat guys want to smash the QB into pieces all the more. And let's face it, Watson is no big, burly guy. We had to play most of last season without him because he ran and took on tacklers.
Sure, drop back passers get hurt too. Brady missed a season, Rogers missed last season. Llamar Jackson missed a lot of a season by getting hurt while in the pocket...not running. But to me, having your QB running around....designing QB runs, etc....is adding a new level of injury danger to your most important guy in the organization. And there's always the mental / emotional aspect of the defense's mindset when a QB is running around embarrassing them. It makes the big fat guys want to smash the QB into pieces all the more. And let's face it, Watson is no big, burly guy. We had to play most of last season without him because he ran and took on tacklers.
That's why we need a LT to prevent the joystick QB. The more that habit is repeated the tougher it is to tame. I wish someone would have drilled Elway all those times he left the pocket before any of those 3 Conference Championship games against the Browns.
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Flacco is basically nothing like Watson. This is a monkey wrench for the offense when the backup needs to play.
Me, I prefer the drop back passer...like Flacco or Tom Brady. The OLine knows where the QB will be. They know he'll only run when time has completely run out and there is no other alternative. I don't like my most important and most expensive player on my football team running around making big fat guys' eyes light up as they're looking for an angle to knock the guy into the blue tent. But that's just me.
Flacco is more statue-esque, yes. But don't let a couple designed runs and some work when play structure breaks down trick you into believing that either Flacco or Watson aren't drop back passers who work their eyes and arms first.
Passers with mobility have been across the NFL for a long time. Steve Young, McNair, Mcnabb, Ben, Luck, Burrow, Mahomes, etc etc.
You like drop back passers, guys who stay in the pocket because you think that makes them safer...
David Carr, Tim Couch and Bernie Kosar all fit that description.
It isn't just that they are safer, you're limiting potential non-contact injuries. People forget that RG3 knees were aggravated by his lateral cutting ability as much as they were some of the shots they took.
In fairness to Orion, your examples above don't work because two of them played behind the worst Olines in the NFL the last 25 years.
In fairness to Orion, your examples above don't work because two of them played behind the worst Olines in the NFL the last 25 years.
How about the most famous QB injury that happened in the pocket behind one of the best OLines in NFL history?
I'll take Joe Theismann's pulverized leg for $500, Alex...
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You like drop back passers, guys who stay in the pocket because you think that makes them safer...
David Carr, Tim Couch and Bernie Kosar all fit that description.
Sure, drop back passers get hurt too. Brady missed a season, Rogers missed last season. Llamar Jackson missed a lot of a season by getting hurt while in the pocket...not running. But to me, having your QB running around....designing QB runs, etc....is adding a new level of injury danger to your most important guy in the organization. And there's always the mental / emotional aspect of the defense's mindset when a QB is running around embarrassing them. It makes the big fat guys want to smash the QB into pieces all the more. And let's face it, Watson is no big, burly guy. We had to play most of last season without him because he ran and took on tacklers.
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In fairness to Orion, your examples above don't work because two of them played behind the worst Olines in the NFL the last 25 years.
How about the most famous QB injury that happened in the pocket behind one of the best OLines in NFL history?
I'll take Joe Theismann's pulverized leg for $500, Alex...
How about the most famous QB injury that happened in the pocket behind one of the best OLines in NFL history?
I'll take Joe Theismann's pulverized leg for $500, Alex...
And while you're certainly right, there's a reason that injury is so well known. Next to Alex Smith, that sort of thing just doesn't happen.
I think the whole "safer scrambling vs in the pocket" is a bit overblown. The biggest issue between elite passers and pocket presence vs not is the ability to more efficiently move the ball in the air and avoid shots they had no business taking in the first place.
Indy with their young QB in AR15 is a prime example. That kid lead himself into contact he had no business being involved in, and wouldn't have been had he been ready to be starting NFL QB. But he wasn't, the Colts overdrafted him then rushed his play in risk of long term development and long term health.
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How about the most famous QB injury that happened in the pocket behind one of the best OLines in NFL history?
I'll take Joe Theismann's pulverized leg for $500, Alex...
And while you're certainly right, there's a reason that injury is so well known. Next to Alex Smith, that sort of thing just doesn't happen.
I think the whole "safer scrambling vs in the pocket" is a bit overblown. The biggest issue between elite passers and pocket presence vs not is the ability to more efficiently move the ball in the air and avoid shots they had no business taking in the first place.
Indy with their young QB in AR15 is a prime example. That kid lead himself into contact he had no business being involved in, and wouldn't have been had he been ready to be starting NFL QB. But he wasn't, the Colts overdrafted him then rushed his play in risk of long term development and long term health.
I think the whole "safer scrambling vs in the pocket" is a bit overblown. The biggest issue between elite passers and pocket presence vs not is the ability to more efficiently move the ball in the air and avoid shots they had no business taking in the first place.
Hold your proverbial horses there... I never said it is safer scrambling, and I do get what Orion is saying. My point is I can name quite a few non-running quarterbacks whose careers were riddled with injuries they received from not scrambling or running on designed plays.
And here's the thing: Offenses that feature Mobile quarterbacks are EVERYWHERE in high school and college football. There aren't many Joe Flacco's or Drew Bledsoe's anymore.
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