Finally....done with the horrble DW deal!!!!
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I’ve gone over this with a friend recently.So we keep our pick in 2022 And take Kenny Pickett? What do you think?
Or we find a bridge in 2022 and take Anthony Richardson or Will Levis in 2023? CJ Stroud would have been nice but it would have required 13/14 losses.
We can argue that we could have found a mid late round gem like Brock Purdy…I’m not a total homer let’s be honest we would have found Bailey Zappe or Sam Howell before that happened.
This is certainly not a roster void of talent - and crippled by the loss of draft capital 2/3 years from now who knows but that’s most of the NFL. And if you recall or most on here can recall we’ve had a young or youngish roster prior to the trade that was stocked full of draft picks - if there was a team that needed/could have made this trade it was the Browns
The Browns should have let baker Mayfield heal. Don't trot the dude out there that season with his body all fucked up even if he wanted to be on the field. You'd still have the guy you drafted and all that draft capital. I will forever say the Browns did not try to help baker. Haslam saw Watson come available and threw the bank at him. It will always be a stupid trade unless Watson starts walking on water because to this point it sure as hell seems like he's just cool with getting his money.
The Browns should have let baker Mayfield heal. Don't trot the dude out there that season with his body all fucked up even if he wanted to be on the field. You'd still have the guy you drafted and all that draft capital. I will forever say the Browns did not try to help baker. Haslam saw Watson come available and threw the bank at him. It will always be a stupid trade unless Watson starts walking on water because to this point it sure as hell seems like he's just cool with getting his money.
I don't want to brag; but I made it all the way to the 1st period above without crying.
I gotta disagree with you about not trying to help Baker though. The FO brought Jarvis Landry here and he helped a ton. Then, they added Pro Bowl WR OBJ. Those were efforts. They also added FA Tackle Jack Conklin at RT with a big contract. The guy just hasn't been able to stay healthy. The year he did, the Browns scored 48 points in the playoffs at Pittsburgh. That same year, they drafted a LT 10th overall. They also had 2 very talent OGs here with Bitonio and Teller.
After a very promising rookie year; Baker spent a lot of his 1st off-season doing countless commercials, getting married/honeymooning, and chugging beers in public at Tribe games. I think we can all agree he was distracted; and the inevitable sophomore slump followed.
I wanted us to draft Baker; but every good year was followed by a bad year. That was quite the bi-polar coaster.
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The Browns should have let baker Mayfield heal. Don't trot the dude out there that season with his body all fucked up even if he wanted to be on the field. You'd still have the guy you drafted and all that draft capital. I will forever say the Browns did not try to help baker. Haslam saw Watson come available and threw the bank at him. It will always be a stupid trade unless Watson starts walking on water because to this point it sure as hell seems like he's just cool with getting his money.
I don't want to brag; but I made it all the way to the 1st period above without crying.
I gotta disagree with you about not trying to help Baker though. The FO brought Jarvis Landry here and he helped a ton. Then, they added Pro Bowl WR OBJ. Those were efforts. They also added FA Tackle Jack Conklin at RT with a big contract. The guy just hasn't been able to stay healthy. The year he did, the Browns scored 48 points in the playoffs at Pittsburgh. That same year, they drafted a LT 10th overall. They also had 2 very talent OGs here with Bitonio and Teller.
After a very promising rookie year; Baker spent a lot of his 1st off-season doing countless commercials, getting married/honeymooning, and chugging beers in public at Tribe games. I think we can all agree he was distracted; and the inevitable sophomore slump followed.
I wanted us to draft Baker; but every good year was followed by a bad year. That was quite the bi-polar coaster.
I don't want to brag; but I made it all the way to the 1st period above without crying.
I gotta disagree with you about not trying to help Baker though. The brought Jarvis Landry here and helped a ton. Then, they added Pro Bowl WR OBJ. Those were efforts. They also added FA Tackle Jack Conklin at RT with a big contract. The guy just hasn't been able to stay healthy. The year he did, the Browns scored 48 points in the playoffs at Pittsburgh. That same year, they drafted a LT 10th overall. They also had 2 very talent OGs here with Bitonio and Teller.
After a very promising rookie year; Baker spent a lot of his 1st off-season doing countless commercials, getting married/honeymooning, and chugging beers in public at Tribe games. I think we can all agree he was distracted; and the inevitable sophomore slump followed.
I wanted us to draft Baker; but every good year was followed by a bad year. That was quite the bi-polar coaster.
Without a doubt my favorite moment of Fat Baker's Sophomore Season of Shit was the road game where he shows up to the stadium with a thin beard, then shaves down to a Fu Manchu at halftime, then comes to the post game loss press conference with just a moustache.
That was some quality stuff right there.
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I don't want to brag; but I made it all the way to the 1st period above without crying.
I gotta disagree with you about not trying to help Baker though. The brought Jarvis Landry here and helped a ton. Then, they added Pro Bowl WR OBJ. Those were efforts. They also added FA Tackle Jack Conklin at RT with a big contract. The guy just hasn't been able to stay healthy. The year he did, the Browns scored 48 points in the playoffs at Pittsburgh. That same year, they drafted a LT 10th overall. They also had 2 very talent OGs here with Bitonio and Teller.
After a very promising rookie year; Baker spent a lot of his 1st off-season doing countless commercials, getting married/honeymooning, and chugging beers in public at Tribe games. I think we can all agree he was distracted; and the inevitable sophomore slump followed.
I wanted us to draft Baker; but every good year was followed by a bad year. That was quite the bi-polar coaster.
Without a doubt my favorite moment of Fat Baker's Sophomore Season of Shit was the road game where he shows up to the stadium with a thin beard, then shaves down to a Fu Manchu at halftime, then comes to the post game loss press conference with just a moustache.
That was some quality stuff right there.
Without a doubt my favorite moment of Fat Baker's Sophomore Season of Shit was the road game where he shows up to the stadium with a thin beard, then shaves down to a Fu Manchu at halftime, then comes to the post game loss press conference with just a moustache.
That was some quality stuff right there.
Did that really happen? I totally missed that. So he had a little 'Billy' thing goin' on?
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Without a doubt my favorite moment of Fat Baker's Sophomore Season of Shit was the road game where he shows up to the stadium with a thin beard, then shaves down to a Fu Manchu at halftime, then comes to the post game loss press conference with just a moustache.
That was some quality stuff right there.
Did that really happen? I totally missed that. So he had a little 'Billy' thing goin' on?
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Who can forget ole slow footed, overeating fat Baker and his "my commercials make me more money than my Browns do so fuck you" Soph lose the job season? Me, that's who.? Because I don't have selected a forget all he's done wrong stormy memory like some BB members seem to have.
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I don't know, Watson was part of the trade so in my mind we gave up 2 first round picks.
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I don't know, Watson was part of the trade so in my mind we gave up 2 first round picks.
The Browns will receive Watson and a 2024 sixth-round draft choice (which was originally a fifth-round pick), while the Texans will receive a 2022 first-round pick (No. 13 overall), 2023 and 2024 first-round picks, a 2022 fourth-round choice (No. 107), a third-round pick in 2023 and a fourth-round pick in 2024.
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
Who can forget ole slow footed, overeating fat Baker and his "my commercials make me more money than my Browns do so fuck you" Soph lose the job season? Me, that's who.? Because I don't have selected a forget all he's done wrong stormy memory like some BB members seem to have.
Who can forget ole slow footed, overeating fat Baker and his "my commercials make me more money than my Browns do so fuck you" Soph lose the job season? Me, that's who.? Because I don't have selected a forget all he's done wrong stormy memory like some BB members seem to have.
Here's the thing, when a QB is drafted 1st overall - there's an expectation that was higher than he achieved. Pittsburgh drafted Kenny Pickett 22nd overall; and that fanbase wasn't exactly patient with him.
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Who can forget ole slow footed, overeating fat Baker and his "my commercials make me more money than my Browns do so fuck you" Soph lose the job season? Me, that's who.? Because I don't have selected a forget all he's done wrong stormy memory like some BB members seem to have.
Who can forget ole slow footed, overeating fat Baker and his "my commercials make me more money than my Browns do so fuck you" Soph lose the job season? Me, that's who.? Because I don't have selected a forget all he's done wrong stormy memory like some BB members seem to have.
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I mean, what #1 overall pick in NFL history couldn't outrun a cop?
And could you imagine what the Poliboard boys who all love their Great White Dope Baker would have said if Lamar Jackson had been found to try and run from a cop when getting arrested? Oh my goodness, I believe they would have branded him a thug. We all know what "thug" is MAGA for, don't we? ?
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@calfoxwc said:
2 days agoCleveland Browns. 2022 first-round pick: Deshaun Watson (15 th overall pick was traded). Watson was suspended by the NFL for the first 11 games for violations of the league personal conduct policy. In six games started, Watson was 3-3, threw 7 touchdowns and 5 interceptions, and had aWhat is the hidden cost of posting links that need you to be a subscriber to read, Comrade Cal?
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What has to be the most frustrating thing about the Watson trade is that if the Browns had actually had a QB land in their lap like a Joe Burrow or CJ Stroud, this probable swing and a miss blockbuster trade would have never had to be made.
Instead, the year we had the #1 overall pick and went shopping for a QB, we ended up with Baker Reagan Mayfield. No team serious about having Super Bowl aspirations is keeping him as their QB long-term.
Such a pity. That probably set us back ten years.
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2 days agoCleveland Browns. 2022 first-round pick: Deshaun Watson (15 th overall pick was traded). Watson was suspended by the NFL for the first 11 games for violations of the league personal conduct policy. In six games started, Watson was 3-3, threw 7 touchdowns and 5 interceptions, and had a
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Oct 23, 2023The answer to decades of quarterback woes in Cleveland, Watson has run out of excuses for being awful. Since the trade he's been among the worst quarterbacks in the NFL. 10 games, 165-for-277 ...
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Now we're re-posting the same links Comrade Cal?
Bold move, Cotton.
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Now we're re-posting the same links Comrade Cal?
Bold move, Cotton.
Now we're re-posting the same links Comrade Cal?
Bold move, Cotton.
I've only seen this post from him about 8 times.
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What has to be the most frustrating thing about the Watson trade is that if the Browns had actually had a QB land in their lap like a Joe Burrow or CJ Stroud, this probable swing and a miss blockbuster trade would have never had to be made.
Instead, the year we had the #1 overall pick and went shopping for a QB, we ended up with Baker Reagan Mayfield. No team serious about having Super Bowl aspirations is keeping him as their QB long-term.
Such a pity. That probably set us back ten years.
Such a pity. That probably set us back ten years.
I think there's a litany of QB's that set us back a decade. Hell, we should probably be back in the 18th century by now.
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I don't know, Watson was part of the trade so in my mind we gave up 2 first round picks.
The Browns will receive Watson and a 2024 sixth-round draft choice (which was originally a fifth-round pick), while the Texans will receive a 2022 first-round pick (No. 13 overall), 2023 and 2024 first-round picks, a 2022 fourth-round choice (No. 107), a third-round pick in 2023 and a fourth-round pick in 2024.
The Browns will receive Watson and a 2024 sixth-round draft choice (which was originally a fifth-round pick), while the Texans will receive a 2022 first-round pick (No. 13 overall), 2023 and 2024 first-round picks, a 2022 fourth-round choice (No. 107), a third-round pick in 2023 and a fourth-round pick in 2024.
I know what the trade values were. My point is my valuation is the first year of picks don't count as extra. We received Watson in return. The 2nd and 3rd year are the extra picks. I think Berry has done a good job of covering the 3rd and 4th rounders so I don't think we lost much there.
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I don't know, Watson was part of the trade so in my mind we gave up 2 first round picks.
The Browns will receive Watson and a 2024 sixth-round draft choice (which was originally a fifth-round pick), while the Texans will receive a 2022 first-round pick (No. 13 overall), 2023 and 2024 first-round picks, a 2022 fourth-round choice (No. 107), a third-round pick in 2023 and a fourth-round pick in 2024.
The Browns will receive Watson and a 2024 sixth-round draft choice (which was originally a fifth-round pick), while the Texans will receive a 2022 first-round pick (No. 13 overall), 2023 and 2024 first-round picks, a 2022 fourth-round choice (No. 107), a third-round pick in 2023 and a fourth-round pick in 2024.
Ah, so that's where our 4th rounder went this year. Well at least it was later 4th round since we had a winning season.
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The Browns will receive Watson and a 2024 sixth-round draft choice (which was originally a fifth-round pick), while the Texans will receive a 2022 first-round pick (No. 13 overall), 2023 and 2024 first-round picks, a 2022 fourth-round choice (No. 107), a third-round pick in 2023 and a fourth-round pick in 2024.
Ah, so that's where our 4th rounder went this year. Well at least it was later 4th round since we had a winning season.
Ah, so that's where our 4th rounder went this year. Well at least it was later 4th round since we had a winning season.
Do you think Houston would trade CJ Stroud for Cheesecakes Mayfield? ?
Neither do I...
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The Browns will receive Watson and a 2024 sixth-round draft choice (which was originally a fifth-round pick), while the Texans will receive a 2022 first-round pick (No. 13 overall), 2023 and 2024 first-round picks, a 2022 fourth-round choice (No. 107), a third-round pick in 2023 and a fourth-round pick in 2024.
I know what the trade values were. My point is my valuation is the first year of picks don't count as extra. We received Watson in return. The 2nd and 3rd year are the extra picks. I think Berry has done a good job of covering the 3rd and 4th rounders so I don't think we lost much there.
My point is my valuation is the first year of picks don't count as extra. We received Watson in return.
So, we traded a 1st & a 4th round pick for Watson. Then we threw in some extra picks and they threw in a pick. Certainly sounds better than three 1st rounders.
Anywho, we're paid in full (outside of his salaries) on the investment. Now, we continue to wait for a return on the investment. And we can get back in the business of drafting on Thursday nights. Perhaps even drafting a QB in round 1. I mean, we can't see the future. There's a non zero chance that Watson never returns to form. After all, he did screw up his throwing shoulder.
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