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Players of the Game
Players of the Game: 3 standouts from the Browns' loss to the Vikings
TE Zaire Mitchell-Paden led the team in receiving yards
Aug 18,The Browns dropped their second straight preseason game with a 27-12 loss to the Vikings on Aug.18. While the result of the preseason contest has no effect on the Browns' regular season record, it does provide a glimpse into who is putting together a strong training camp as the Browns' Week 1 matchup against the Dallas Cowboys approaches.
Here are three players from Saturday's game who had especially strong performances.
RB D'Onta Foreman
On Aug. 1, Browns RB D'Onta Foreman was immobilized on the practice field at The Greenbrier and flown by helicopter to a hospital after taking a hit during a punt coverage drill.
During the second preseason game, the six-year NFL veteran led the Browns with 64 total yards and scored the only touchdown for the Browns.
"I think it puts a lot into perspective about how fast life can change and how things can happen," Foreman said after the game. "To be able to still be healthy and to be able to come out here and play the game that I love to play, you know, stuff I've been working hard for – I'm just very thankful for that."
As a runner, Foreman was predominantly used in short yardage situations. His first carry came at the goal line, where he was stuffed by the Vikings defensive front. He drove his way into the end zone on the following play.
"I was actually mad I didn't get in on the first one. I feel like I don't need two times to try it, so I definitely had to get in the second one. But it worked out," Foreman said.
"Ran very hard, that's kind of his game," Head coach Kevin Stefanski said of Foreman after the game. "He puts his weight down and stays low and goes forward. I thought that's what he did when he got the ball in his hands and obviously had a nose for the goal line there down to our left."
DE Jeremiah Martin
In addition to DT Chris Williams, who had a strong outing on Saturday, DE Jeremiah Martin showed his ability to pressure the quarterback. It won't show up on the stat sheet, but Martin forced multiple poorly timed passes from Vikings quarterbacks throughout the game. He also sacked QB Nick Mullens to force the Vikings to settle for a field goal in the second quarter.
Martin, who the Browns signed in late July, signed with the Giants as an undrafted free agent out of Washington ahead of the 2023 season. He said that he has been taking advantage of the chance to learn from one of the league's best pass rushers in DE Myles Garrett as he attempts to make the Browns roster.
"Myles is a one-of-a-kind defensive end," Martin said after the game. "Some of the little tips and tricks that he gives us like when you key the ball or take these steps or making this move and stuff like that, like Myles, he helps a lot."
Martin added a tackle for loss in addition to his sack, bringing down Vikings RB DeWayne McBride on the first play of a dominant drive for the Browns defense which resulted in a safety.
TE Zaire Mitchell-Paden
Browns tight end Zaire Mitchell-Paden caught all four of his targets for 59 yards on Saturday, averaging 14.8 yards per catch and showing his ability to make explosive plays.
On QB Tyler Huntley's first play of the game, he connected with Mitchell-Paden on a short pass, which the second-year tight end took for a 30-yard gain. The big-bodied tight end proved that he was tough to take down, breaking a tackle on a first down catch in the third quarter before a pair of Vikings defenders finally brought him down after a 14-yard gain.
"He's a young man that works extremely hard at his craft," Stefanski said on Sunday. "In early, out late, constantly catching extra balls, getting extra work in the weight room, whatever it may be."
Mitchell-Paden went down with an injury near the end of the game Saturday, but Stefanski said Sunday that the tight end was "fine."
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10pm start? ?
10pm start? ?
Yes .... out in Seattle, WA.
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You would like to see the starters look good for at least one series on O and D to go into week 1 on a positive note.
Not sure what the status is on the starters playing or not. Stefanski seemed to say the starters will play, but wouldn't say if Watson will play.
Not that anyone here cares, but in Green Bay it will depend on how the joint practice with the Ravens goes tomorrow, for whether the starters play at all on Saturday
OneTeamOneNation
PackerNation!
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You would like to see the starters look good for at least one series on O and D to go into week 1 on a positive note.
Not sure what the status is on the starters playing or not. Stefanski seemed to say the starters will play, but wouldn't say if Watson will play.
Not that anyone here cares, but in Green Bay it will depend on how the joint practice with the Ravens goes tomorrow, for whether the starters play at all on Saturday
OneTeamOneNation
PackerNation!
You would like to see the starters look good for at least one series on O and D to go into week 1 on a positive note.
Not sure what the status is on the starters playing or not. Stefanski seemed to say the starters will play, but wouldn't say if Watson will play.
Not that anyone here cares, but in Green Bay it will depend on how the joint practice with the Ravens goes tomorrow, for whether the starters play at all on Saturday
OneTeamOneNation
PackerNation!
Personally I would prefer they all play some. I think it would do Watson good to get some live game reps. There was no joint practice this week and "general arm soreness" should not be an excuse not to see the field.
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You would like to see the starters look good for at least one series on O and D to go into week 1 on a positive note.
Not sure what the status is on the starters playing or not. Stefanski seemed to say the starters will play, but wouldn't say if Watson will play.
Not that anyone here cares, but in Green Bay it will depend on how the joint practice with the Ravens goes tomorrow, for whether the starters play at all on Saturday
OneTeamOneNation
PackerNation!
You would like to see the starters look good for at least one series on O and D to go into week 1 on a positive note.
Not sure what the status is on the starters playing or not. Stefanski seemed to say the starters will play, but wouldn't say if Watson will play.
Not that anyone here cares, but in Green Bay it will depend on how the joint practice with the Ravens goes tomorrow, for whether the starters play at all on Saturday
OneTeamOneNation
PackerNation!
Fuck lombardo, he isn't half the coach of Paul Brown
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You would like to see the starters look good for at least one series on O and D to go into week 1 on a positive note.
Not sure what the status is on the starters playing or not. Stefanski seemed to say the starters will play, but wouldn't say if Watson will play.
Not that anyone here cares, but in Green Bay it will depend on how the joint practice with the Ravens goes tomorrow, for whether the starters play at all on Saturday
OneTeamOneNation
PackerNation!
Personally I would prefer they all play some. I think it would do Watson good to get some live game reps. There was no joint practice this week and "general arm soreness" should not be an excuse not to see the field.
Personally I would prefer they all play some. I think it would do Watson good to get some live game reps. There was no joint practice this week and "general arm soreness" should not be an excuse not to see the field.
Yeah, I just think Stefanski is ultra-cautious and is looking for excuse to sit Watson. We shall see.
Cowboys coming to town on the 8th. You don't want to start the season 0-1.
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You would like to see the starters look good for at least one series on O and D to go into week 1 on a positive note.
Not sure what the status is on the starters playing or not. Stefanski seemed to say the starters will play, but wouldn't say if Watson will play.
Not that anyone here cares, but in Green Bay it will depend on how the joint practice with the Ravens goes tomorrow, for whether the starters play at all on Saturday
OneTeamOneNation
PackerNation!
Fuck lombardo, he isn't half the coach of Paul Brown
Fuck lombardo, he isn't half the coach of Paul Brown
You mean the Paul Brown that got fired in 1963?
Curly Lambeau(Packers)- 6 NFL Championships
Vince Lombardi(Packers)- 5 NFL Championships
13 World Championships total for Green Bay. Most wins all-time. Most successful franchise in the history of the league.
Paul Brown-(Browns) 3 NFL Championships
Trying to troll me is a waste of time. Just a hint.
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Nobody here gives a shit about the Packers.
Why you are on a Browns board is beyond me.
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Nobody here gives a shit about the Packers.
Why you are on a Browns board is beyond me.
Nobody here gives a shit about the Packers.
Why you are on a Browns board is beyond me.
Same reason you are here. To talk football.
I go on several NFL Fan forums. Was actually recently on one of the Seahawks boards discussing how Mike Macdonald was handling the last preseason game.
If I trigger you then put me on ignore. Simple.
Have a nice life! Toodle-Loo!
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Here’s a little cut and paste job from a recent article in the Athletic.
Seven Browns Players to watch in preseason finale vs. Seahawks.
The Cleveland Browns will play some starters in their preseason finale in Seattle on Saturday night. It will be well into Sunday morning before the team returns to Cleveland and the folks in charge start to finalize the initial 53-man roster ahead of Tuesday’s deadline.
There aren’t a bunch of open spots on this roster, but injuries have provided more opportunities over the past four weeks for some of the team’s younger players. And while the Browns will dress all their healthy players for the preseason finale, they still won’t play everyone — and will focus largely on the backups trying to lock up roster spots and emerging players trying to make a final impression.
Browns coach Kevin Stefanski said after the last practice of training camp that he’s not ready to make any final decisions or announcements on playing time for Saturday. Specifically, he was addressing the uncertainty at quarterback after arm soreness led Stefanski to sit Deshaun Watson for most of Wednesday’s session. Stefanski said the move was made out of caution, but Watson threw in a team drill early in practice and only missed one team drill all of camp when participating. Watson was given one full day off from throwing in early August as part of the long-term plan of recovering from season-ending shoulder surgery last November.
Cleveland’s offensive line shortage caused Stefanski to hedge from his earlier announcement that Watson was in the plans to play for the first time this preseason. It’s unlikely that the Browns would play stalwarts like Myles Garrett, David Njoku, Amari Cooper and Joel Bitonio, and Pro Bowl cornerback Denzel Ward remains in concussion protocol. But most starters will play at least a little, and we don’t yet know if the starting quarterback will be Watson or Jameis Winston, who took the No. 1 reps after Watson left practice Wednesday.
Who are some off-the-radar names you should know ahead of the preseason finale? Which players might be playing for jobs — with the Browns or elsewhere across the league — this weekend? Here’s a brief list of players to watch Saturday and track in the days that follow.
Germain Ifedi, OT
With starting left tackle Jedrick Wills Jr.still on the physically unable to perform list after knee surgery last December, Ifedi has become the Browns’ No. 1 left tackle for now. Ifedi has played in 102 career games and made 83 starts, but he’s never played left tackle. He played guard for the Browns in the spring after he signed in April, and until nine days ago he was switching between left and right tackle on the No. 2 and No. 3 offenses.
James Hudson III was the No. 1 left tackle for most of camp, but he has an ankle injury of unknown severity; it’s severe enough that he’s out at least this week. Ifedi might have been making a real roster push in the early part of August, but now he’s at least potentially in line to play left tackle in a real game. The Browns’ first four games are against top pass rushers Micah Parsons, Josh Hines-Allen, Brian Burns and Maxx Crosby. Every full-speed rep will be a valuable one for Ifedi.
Lorenzo Thompson, OT
The undrafted rookie from Rhode Island is second in line at left tackle and likely in position to at least land a spot on the practice squad. Thompson had never been to an NFL game before he played in the preseason opener against the Green Bay Packers. The trip to Seattle will be the longest one he’s ever taken. Cleveland is the furthest west he’s been to this point, and Thompson said he chose the Browns after going undrafted because the team showed interest in him throughout the process. Thompson always knew he might have to go the long way to stick in the NFL, but injuries have presented him with an opportunity to show he’s worth further development.
Jameis Winston, QB
Maybe he was going to start this game anyway. Certainly, Winston has impressed the Browns with his leadership and unselfishness since the spring. And while the obvious goal is for Winston to never have to play in the regular season, the 2015 No. 1 pick has to prepare as if he’s going to be needed. The Winston experience in training camp included the occasional perfectly placed laser of a throw and occasional wild miss, but when Winston jams one into traffic, he seems to believe it’s going to land in the proper hands. The Browns trust in Winston to handle the huddle for the No. 1 offense when called upon. They just hope Watson will be ready to play when things really count.
Kahlef Hailassie, CB
Hailassie is making the team. He’s spent the back half of camp playing with the starters at outside cornerback, and he’s at least in line for real snaps when the regular season begins. The Browns didn’t claim Hailassie until late August last year, so he was still getting comfortable when he saw spot duty as an undrafted rookie on a new team in 2023. His acquisition just over a year ago is a reminder that while an established team like the Browns probably isn’t going to be looking to make four or five additions around the final cutdown/first waiver window, a surprise move could be coming — and that sometimes the best scouting comes from an up-close view in the preseason or joint practices.
Jamari Thrash, WR
The fifth-round rookie has had three catches in each of the first two preseason games, and he’s been getting reps with the No. 1 offense this week with Cooper and David Bell out of practice. Thrash seems to be playing with more confidence and consistently finding holes in the defense. Stefanski said Thrash is a player “who’s progressing. He’s still a rookie, he’s going to make mistakes, but I think he continues to get better with more exposure.” It’s hard to view Thrash as one of the best 53 right now, but if he continues proving to be reliable during game settings, he could make the active roster.
Jowon Briggs, DT
The Browns made a bit of a surprising pick in the seventh round in April with Briggs, considering their draft started with the selection of defensive tackle Mike Hall Jr. But the Browns not only want quality depth, they want different styles. Hall is a pure pass rusher, while Briggs is a people-mover — and veterans Shelby Harris, Maurice Hurst II and Quinton Jefferson are all signed only for 2024. From a body-type standpoint, Briggs is most like the Browns’ top defensive tackle, Dalvin Tomlinson, who’s spent all of camp rehabbing from arthroscopic knee surgery. If Cleveland thinks Tomlinson will be limited early in the season, it may have to keep Briggs — and play him right away, too.
Hurst is dealing with an undisclosed injury. Assuming he’s going to be OK, it might come down to either Briggs or 2023 third-round pick Siaki Ika for the last spot in the defensive tackle group. Both Briggs and Ika were playing on the No. 3 defense and getting scout team reps in the final open practice of camp Wednesday, so neither is guaranteed anything. Defensive tackles Sam Kamara and Chris Williamshave also impressed in different parts of camp, and both are practice squad candidates but are auditioning for the entire league Saturday night.
Aidan Robbins, RB
The undrafted rookie power back scored a touchdown in the preseason opener, and he’s in line to get a Saturday night showcase. The Browns were already short-handed at running back before Pierre Strong Jr. was taken to the hospitalafter suffering a rib contusion Wednesday, so Robbins figures to play at least a half — and maybe more — against the Seahawks.
Veteran backs Nick Chubb and Nyheim Hines remain sidelined while rehabbing from knee surgery. Jerome Ford is the No. 1 back, and D’Onta Foreman has returned from a neck injury to show he’s going to be in the rotation. But even if Strong gets back soon and can play in September, Robbins can still show he’s at least worthy of a practice squad spot and further development. If Strong misses any significant time, the Browns might have to re-think things and pursue outside help at running back and in the return game. Strong is one of the team’s fastest players and best overall special-teamers.
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Fuck lombardo, he isn't half the coach of Paul Brown
You mean the Paul Brown that got fired in 1963?
Curly Lambeau(Packers)- 6 NFL Championships
Vince Lombardi(Packers)- 5 NFL Championships
13 World Championships total for Green Bay. Most wins all-time. Most successful franchise in the history of the league.
Paul Brown-(Browns) 3 NFL Championships
Trying to troll me is a waste of time. Just a hint.
You mean the Paul Brown that got fired in 1963?
Curly Lambeau(Packers)- 6 NFL Championships
Vince Lombardi(Packers)- 5 NFL Championships
13 World Championships total for Green Bay. Most wins all-time. Most successful franchise in the history of the league.
Paul Brown-(Browns) 3 NFL Championships
Trying to troll me is a waste of time. Just a hint.
who is trolling ? just telling the truth. Take a look at their coaching tree's lombardo had who starr,juaron, Brown well lets see Shula, Walsh, Holmgren, Chuck Knox hell even Belicheat roots go back to Brown. Brown was also the innovator of the west coast offense. How did vince change the game ? the only reason lombardo's name is on the trophy was because he was charismatic compared to Browns stoic personality
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You mean the Paul Brown that got fired in 1963?
Curly Lambeau(Packers)- 6 NFL Championships
Vince Lombardi(Packers)- 5 NFL Championships
13 World Championships total for Green Bay. Most wins all-time. Most successful franchise in the history of the league.
Paul Brown-(Browns) 3 NFL Championships
Trying to troll me is a waste of time. Just a hint.
who is trolling ? just telling the truth. Take a look at their coaching tree's lombardo had who starr,juaron, Brown well lets see Shula, Walsh, Holmgren, Chuck Knox hell even Belicheat roots go back to Brown. Brown was also the innovator of the west coast offense. How did vince change the game ? the only reason lombardo's name is on the trophy was because he was charismatic compared to Browns stoic personality
who is trolling ? just telling the truth. Take a look at their coaching tree's lombardo had who starr,juaron, Brown well lets see Shula, Walsh, Holmgren, Chuck Knox hell even Belicheat roots go back to Brown. Brown was also the innovator of the west coast offense. How did vince change the game ? the only reason lombardo's name is on the trophy was because he was charismatic compared to Browns stoic personality
"Lombardo" Ohh, burn? What are you, 12?
You will learn when you grow up..that you have to earn respect to get it.
I do respect the legacy of Paul Brown. As I respect the Browns franchise. Been some pitfalls along the way, but all in all a quality franchise.
Just saying it doesn't compare to the Green Bay Packers. Winningest team in the history of the league. Sustained success like that is unmatched.
Should be fun Saturday against the Ravens..I will be there at 8:30 a.m. drinking a Bloody Mary and setting up the tailgate. Love the noon kickoffs.
Hope both teams come out of it healthy.
OneTeamOneNation
PackerNation!
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who is trolling ? just telling the truth. Take a look at their coaching tree's lombardo had who starr,juaron, Brown well lets see Shula, Walsh, Holmgren, Chuck Knox hell even Belicheat roots go back to Brown. Brown was also the innovator of the west coast offense. How did vince change the game ? the only reason lombardo's name is on the trophy was because he was charismatic compared to Browns stoic personality
"Lombardo" Ohh, burn? What are you, 12?
You will learn when you grow up..that you have to earn respect to get it.
I do respect the legacy of Paul Brown. As I respect the Browns franchise. Been some pitfalls along the way, but all in all a quality franchise.
Just saying it doesn't compare to the Green Bay Packers. Winningest team in the history of the league. Sustained success like that is unmatched.
Should be fun Saturday against the Ravens..I will be there at 8:30 a.m. drinking a Bloody Mary and setting up the tailgate. Love the noon kickoffs.
Hope both teams come out of it healthy.
OneTeamOneNation
PackerNation!
"Lombardo" Ohh, burn? What are you, 12?
You will learn when you grow up..that you have to earn respect to get it.
I do respect the legacy of Paul Brown. As I respect the Browns franchise. Been some pitfalls along the way, but all in all a quality franchise.
Just saying it doesn't compare to the Green Bay Packers. Winningest team in the history of the league. Sustained success like that is unmatched.
Should be fun Saturday against the Ravens..I will be there at 8:30 a.m. drinking a Bloody Mary and setting up the tailgate. Love the noon kickoffs.
Hope both teams come out of it healthy.
OneTeamOneNation
PackerNation!
wow you sure in a state of denial, Lets take a closer look at the numbers shall we ?
Paul Brown was 338-127-15 Thats (72.0%) He won 7 league championships (4 in the AAFC and 3 in the NFL).He also won A National Championship while at Ohio State.He also won 4 High School national championships and 7 state championships.
Now Vince, well you got me there he doe's have a higher winning % at 73.8 but in far less games. 146 games coached .
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who is trolling ? just telling the truth. Take a look at their coaching tree's lombardo had who starr,juaron, Brown well lets see Shula, Walsh, Holmgren, Chuck Knox hell even Belicheat roots go back to Brown. Brown was also the innovator of the west coast offense. How did vince change the game ? the only reason lombardo's name is on the trophy was because he was charismatic compared to Browns stoic personality
"Lombardo" Ohh, burn? What are you, 12?
You will learn when you grow up..that you have to earn respect to get it.
I do respect the legacy of Paul Brown. As I respect the Browns franchise. Been some pitfalls along the way, but all in all a quality franchise.
Just saying it doesn't compare to the Green Bay Packers. Winningest team in the history of the league. Sustained success like that is unmatched.
Should be fun Saturday against the Ravens..I will be there at 8:30 a.m. drinking a Bloody Mary and setting up the tailgate. Love the noon kickoffs.
Hope both teams come out of it healthy.
OneTeamOneNation
PackerNation!
"Lombardo" Ohh, burn? What are you, 12?
You will learn when you grow up..that you have to earn respect to get it.
I do respect the legacy of Paul Brown. As I respect the Browns franchise. Been some pitfalls along the way, but all in all a quality franchise.
Just saying it doesn't compare to the Green Bay Packers. Winningest team in the history of the league. Sustained success like that is unmatched.
Should be fun Saturday against the Ravens..I will be there at 8:30 a.m. drinking a Bloody Mary and setting up the tailgate. Love the noon kickoffs.
Hope both teams come out of it healthy.
OneTeamOneNation
PackerNation!
You’re a corny dude.
OnEtEaMoNeNaTiOn!
I like the Packers ok. That whole deal where the fan base own the team like stock is appealing. Basically means the team isn’t going anywhere, which l’m sure us Browns fans are envious of.
Ernie Lombardi played catcher for the Reds. Syd may appreciate that.
Give them Ravens hell my man.
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who is trolling ? just telling the truth. Take a look at their coaching tree's lombardo had who starr,juaron, Brown well lets see Shula, Walsh, Holmgren, Chuck Knox hell even Belicheat roots go back to Brown. Brown was also the innovator of the west coast offense. How did vince change the game ? the only reason lombardo's name is on the trophy was because he was charismatic compared to Browns stoic personality
"Lombardo" Ohh, burn? What are you, 12?
You will learn when you grow up..that you have to earn respect to get it.
I do respect the legacy of Paul Brown. As I respect the Browns franchise. Been some pitfalls along the way, but all in all a quality franchise.
Just saying it doesn't compare to the Green Bay Packers. Winningest team in the history of the league. Sustained success like that is unmatched.
Should be fun Saturday against the Ravens..I will be there at 8:30 a.m. drinking a Bloody Mary and setting up the tailgate. Love the noon kickoffs.
Hope both teams come out of it healthy.
OneTeamOneNation
PackerNation!
"Lombardo" Ohh, burn? What are you, 12?
You will learn when you grow up..that you have to earn respect to get it.
I do respect the legacy of Paul Brown. As I respect the Browns franchise. Been some pitfalls along the way, but all in all a quality franchise.
Just saying it doesn't compare to the Green Bay Packers. Winningest team in the history of the league. Sustained success like that is unmatched.
Should be fun Saturday against the Ravens..I will be there at 8:30 a.m. drinking a Bloody Mary and setting up the tailgate. Love the noon kickoffs.
Hope both teams come out of it healthy.
OneTeamOneNation
PackerNation!
Here's a crazy story.
Packers @Browns 2017. The infamous 0-16 season.
We are tailgating at our usual spot. A group of young Packer fans comes by, they join us. They were all pretty cool it seemed.
These fans ended up right by my son's seats. When you're 0-12, there's seats available on the secondary market.
So it's 21-7 Browns in the 4th Q. The Packers fans are of course restless, they don't want their team to be the Browns' victim of course.
Ok, Deshone Kizer starts Kizer-ing. Packers cut it to 21-14. Browns punt. First play from scrimmage, defensive PI. Next play, defensive holding. Tables are turning. Alcohol is a factor...next thing you know, security is up in our section...guess who called them? Yeah, Packers fans....after we fed 'em, had a good time with booze etc.
Never ever in my life did I hate GB. Until that day. They were welcomed to our tailgate, probably paid $20 for $50 seats, and called security on Browns fans in our own stadium?
Probably too broad of a brush but it wasn't a good look for "cheese heads."
Of course, Browns lose in OT on another Kizer-ing moment.
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"Lombardo" Ohh, burn? What are you, 12?
You will learn when you grow up..that you have to earn respect to get it.
I do respect the legacy of Paul Brown. As I respect the Browns franchise. Been some pitfalls along the way, but all in all a quality franchise.
Just saying it doesn't compare to the Green Bay Packers. Winningest team in the history of the league. Sustained success like that is unmatched.
Should be fun Saturday against the Ravens..I will be there at 8:30 a.m. drinking a Bloody Mary and setting up the tailgate. Love the noon kickoffs.
Hope both teams come out of it healthy.
OneTeamOneNation
PackerNation!
wow you sure in a state of denial, Lets take a closer look at the numbers shall we ?
Paul Brown was 338-127-15 Thats (72.0%) He won 7 league championships (4 in the AAFC and 3 in the NFL).He also won A National Championship while at Ohio State.He also won 4 High School national championships and 7 state championships.
Now Vince, well you got me there he doe's have a higher winning % at 73.8 but in far less games. 146 games coached .
wow you sure in a state of denial, Lets take a closer look at the numbers shall we ?
Paul Brown was 338-127-15 Thats (72.0%) He won 7 league championships (4 in the AAFC and 3 in the NFL).He also won A National Championship while at Ohio Statte.He also won 4 High School national championships and 7 state championships.
Now Vince, well you got me there he doe's have a higher winning % at 73.8 but in far less games. 146 games coached .
If you want to look at games coached, look at Curly Lambeau: 229-124-22. He also played 10 years before he became head coach.
The Packers have multiple head coaches with quality resumes. Even look at Matt LaFleur's record against some of the Browns coaches.
Again, both legendary franchises. We don't need to have a pissing contest.
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wow you sure in a state of denial, Lets take a closer look at the numbers shall we ?
Paul Brown was 338-127-15 Thats (72.0%) He won 7 league championships (4 in the AAFC and 3 in the NFL).He also won A National Championship while at Ohio Statte.He also won 4 High School national championships and 7 state championships.
Now Vince, well you got me there he doe's have a higher winning % at 73.8 but in far less games. 146 games coached .
If you want to look at games coached, look at Curly Lambeau: 229-124-22. He also played 10 years before he became head coach.
The Packers have multiple head coaches with quality resumes. Even look at Matt LaFleur's record against some of the Browns coaches.
Again, both legendary franchises. We don't need to have a pissing contest.
If you want to look at games coached look at Curly Lambeau: 229-124-22. He also played 10 years before he became head coach.
The Packers have multiple head coaches with quality resumes. Even look at Matt LaFleur's record against some of the Browns coaches.
why are you trying to change the subject ? I thought we were talking about lombardi vs Brown. (which btw has 2 nfl stadiums named for him) oh ? and 1 collage stadium also.
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