Get mad if you want to
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This week I read somewhere that Ford rated out as the fastest RB in the NFL for week 2. And I remember thinking, on that 4th down 30+ yard run around the end, Wow, Ford can run pretty fast! Guys were coming at him thinking that they had the angle on him...but nope, he sped right past them along the sideline.
Ford has wheels, it’s his vision and ability to put his head down and take a short but positive gain that are his negatives
Ford has wheels, it’s his vision and ability to put his head down and take a short but positive gain that are his negatives
Yes indeed. It's a frustrating inconsistency. Sometimes he appears to see the field really well so he sets up and reads his blocks for nice gains. Other times, like you alluded to, all we need is a 2 yard gain to move the sticks - but he has other ideas not including his vision at the last split second when he inexplicably tries to cut inside or outside. I want a hit it and get it mentality from our backs in short yardage. Live another 3 downs. The worst thing Ford does is turn what looks to be a no gain or short loss into a 40 yard loss. This is only a guess; but something like that could be a big reason why he went from being a RB for the Alabama Crimson Tide 1 year to playing for the University of Cincinnati Bearcats the next year.
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The blocking on the edges has been atrocious. Unfortunately, when Wills or Conklin can't answer the bell at LT we're left watching James Hudson drown. Every time the Browns made a big play going left - it seemed like Hudson was getting flagged. That said, Bitonio, Pocic, and Teller all got flagged once apiece for holding last week. Jones on the right side has returned from 2023 IR (and knee surgery) that ended a good season. Understandably, he's not as consistent (and he's been replaced at times for a breather or possibly volume of reps control).
This team committed a huge amount of $ to Conklin when it first signed him and more with his contract extension. He's one of the best run blockers in the league; but the problem is he's never healthy enough to play. For that, I can't blame Hudson. It's a big tease thinking what our edges could be vrs what they have to be right now.
The blocking on the edges has been atrocious. Unfortunately, when Wills or Conklin can't answer the bell at LT we're left watching James Hudson drown. Every time the Browns made a big play going left - it seemed like Hudson was getting flagged. That said, Bitonio, Pocic, and Teller all got flagged once apiece for holding last week. Jones on the right side has returned from 2023 IR (and knee surgery) that ended a good season. Understandably, he's not as consistent (and he's been replaced at times for a breather or possibly volume of reps control).
This team committed a huge amount of $ to Conklin when it first signed him and more with his contract extension. He's one of the best run blockers in the league; but the problem is he's never healthy enough to play. For that, I can't blame Hudson. It's a big tease thinking what our edges could be vrs what they have to be right now.
Tom, I think this is a good analysis and the OL play has to be considered.
My concerns are two fold.
* I would have cut ties with Chubb. I don't think the cost of bringing him back will ever be paid back. I think sentimentality kept him in the mix.
I harken back to when we had a chance to draft Barkley. Many felt sacrificing for a RB, who stats say won't last too long. I can't help feeling this Chubb thing is analogous.
* I wonder, is the poor line play partly because the OL is waiting until the rock star comes back? Analytics negates the human/emotional factor, but perhaps part of the issue is that the initial wind sucked out of the team when Chubb got hurt has never been reinfused?
Certainly is Jim Brown ever got hurt the then Browns would have had the life sapped out of them.
Salary should be enough to get 100% out of a guy, but it can't buy self belief and adrenaline.
Add this Watson shit and I don't know, I might have a hard time playing with full vigor.
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This week I read somewhere that Ford rated out as the fastest RB in the NFL for week 2. And I remember thinking, on that 4th down 30+ yard run around the end, Wow, Ford can run pretty fast! Guys were coming at him thinking that they had the angle on him...but nope, he sped right past them along the sideline.
that 4th down 30+ yard run around the end,
...and was that play set up beautifully or what? After that 1st Winston QB sneak they got the exact look they wanted for the 2nd try. The coaches must have been on the sidelines like, Snap the ball, Please just snap the ball....
Obviously the Giants are now in tune with that play...but I'd still run the QB sneak out of that personnel when required. - Good job by the coaches involved in that play.
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"Zip-ity Doodah" My oh my.. it's a glorious day... ""Mista Ghoulie and da boyz came ta play"".... Someone say dere "Mr. Boflugals"..... Whats that there ya'll sayin'... Its football time upon us... once again.. Hickity hennnnn!... Wait what?... Okay.. Never mind"... Back to regularly scheduled and NON scheduled events..... Wait did someone ask the FCC about this?... Okay... Never mind...."""""""
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Life is tough. Business is tough. Sentimentality is the enemy of both.
I would have cut Nick Chubb at the end of his injury season. His age, wear and tear, and the injury have made him lesser.
Argue all you want but time and anatomy always win. I have never seen anyone win this battle.
The Cliff's notes version. Waiting for him has put the entire team at a disadvantage. We don't have a running game. Because of Chubb.
Cabot says week 8 or 9, maybe? Please call me whatever you may but this fucking guy isn't just going to step in and be his formal self
Take a lion out of the jungle for a year then then release him back into the jungle. He will.get overwhelmed.
Keeping Chubb and not finding younger legs is a blunder second only to the Watson Blunder.
Life is tough. Business is tough. Sentimentality is the enemy of both.
I would have cut Nick Chubb at the end of his injury season. His age, wear and tear, and the injury have made him lesser.
Argue all you want but time and anatomy always win. I have never seen anyone win this battle.
The Cliff's notes version. Waiting for him has put the entire team at a disadvantage. We don't have a running game. Because of Chubb.
Cabot says week 8 or 9, maybe? Please call me whatever you may but this fucking guy isn't just going to step in and be his formal self
Take a lion out of the jungle for a year then then release him back into the jungle. He will.get overwhelmed.
Keeping Chubb and not finding younger legs is a blunder second only to the Watson Blunder.
This is why Andrew Berry makes the decisions and you wake up in your own urine.
Zombo -
Ghoolie talking shit to himself using one of his other accounts.
Quality content. I can see why he was let back on here.
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Ghoolie talking shit to himself using one of his other accounts.
Quality content. I can see why he was let back on here.
Ghoolie talking shit to himself using one of his other accounts.
Quality content. I can see why he was let back on here.
Funny thing is that many of Ghoolie's most recent posts actually have football opinion content, some of which is on the money.
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Life is tough. Business is tough. Sentimentality is the enemy of both.
I would have cut Nick Chubb at the end of his injury season. His age, wear and tear, and the injury have made him lesser.
Argue all you want but time and anatomy always win. I have never seen anyone win this battle.
The Cliff's notes version. Waiting for him has put the entire team at a disadvantage. We don't have a running game. Because of Chubb.
Cabot says week 8 or 9, maybe? Please call me whatever you may but this fucking guy isn't just going to step in and be his formal self
Take a lion out of the jungle for a year then then release him back into the jungle. He will.get overwhelmed.
Keeping Chubb and not finding younger legs is a blunder second only to the Watson Blunder.
This is why Andrew Berry makes the decisions and you wake up in your own urine.
@horse-balls said:
This is why Andrew Berry makes the decisions and you wake up in your own urine.
Ah.....I am more than happy to compare financials to Andrew Berry. Any time you want to compare your CV, just let me know
Despite that, Berry has not exactly been successful, has he? He is to NFL team managers what Watson is to quarterbacks.
The average running back craps out at 28-29. Chubb is 28 and in addition to normal wear and tear had his leg FUBAR.
It appears that he is not going to return until week 8 or 9?
This classifies him in the same utility category as Deshaun Watson. Sitting on his ass for a year and a half.
A young healthy man with an injury and 18 months off isn't just going to get off the bench and be at the top of his game.
Instead of moving forward with fresh legs and a new offense, the Browns decided to stand pat and put in a place card until Chubb shows up.
You have to be a jackoff if you think this guy is ever going to be close to what he was. He will milk the Browns for salary and sentimentality for 2024, then retire. Just watch.
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The blocking on the edges has been atrocious. Unfortunately, when Wills or Conklin can't answer the bell at LT we're left watching James Hudson drown. Every time the Browns made a big play going left - it seemed like Hudson was getting flagged. That said, Bitonio, Pocic, and Teller all got flagged once apiece for holding last week. Jones on the right side has returned from 2023 IR (and knee surgery) that ended a good season. Understandably, he's not as consistent (and he's been replaced at times for a breather or possibly volume of reps control).
This team committed a huge amount of $ to Conklin when it first signed him and more with his contract extension. He's one of the best run blockers in the league; but the problem is he's never healthy enough to play. For that, I can't blame Hudson. It's a big tease thinking what our edges could be vrs what they have to be right now.
Tom, I think this is a good analysis and the OL play has to be considered.
My concerns are two fold.
* I would have cut ties with Chubb. I don't think the cost of bringing him back will ever be paid back. I think sentimentality kept him in the mix.
I harken back to when we had a chance to draft Barkley. Many felt sacrificing for a RB, who stats say won't last too long. I can't help feeling this Chubb thing is analogous.
* I wonder, is the poor line play partly because the OL is waiting until the rock star comes back? Analytics negates the human/emotional factor, but perhaps part of the issue is that the initial wind sucked out of the team when Chubb got hurt has never been reinfused?
Certainly is Jim Brown ever got hurt the then Browns would have had the life sapped out of them.
Salary should be enough to get 100% out of a guy, but it can't buy self belief and adrenaline.
Add this Watson shit and I don't know, I might have a hard time playing with full vigor.
Tom, I think this is a good analysis and the OL play has to be considered.
My concerns are two fold.
* I would have cut ties with Chubb. I don't think the cost of bringing him back will ever be paid back. I think sentimentality kept him in the mix.
I harken back to when we had a chance to draft Barkley. Many felt sacrificing for a RB, who stats say won't last too long. I can't help feeling this Chubb thing is analogous.
* I wonder, is the poor line play partly because the OL is waiting until the rock star comes back? Analytics negates the human/emotional factor, but perhaps part of the issue is that the initial wind sucked out of the team when Chubb got hurt has never been reinfused?
Certainly is Jim Brown ever got hurt the then Browns would have had the life sapped out of them.
Salary should be enough to get 100% out of a guy, but it can't buy self belief and adrenaline.
Add this Watson shit and I don't know, I might have a hard time playing with full vigor.
Believe it or not, I understand what you're thinking and why based on your business background. That said, Nick Chubb is just a special player. IMO, this is a team in desperate need of an offensive leader ON and OFF the field right now especially since Bitonio is near the end of his career. Nick Chubb is that leader by example who always epitomizes a true professional. He will be back this season and this team will rally around him even if it starts with a restricted workload at first. Given how the Cleveland Browns customer base feels about how their Watson idea is playing out - this would be a bad time to cut the heart and soul of this franchise. Anyway, this is what Chubb's off season strength and conditioning program and his work ethic throughout the season has produced for him on the field:
Career stats YearYearTeamTeamATTRushing attemptsYDSRushing yardsAVGAverage yards per carryTDRushing touchdownsRECTotal receptions2023281706.10420223021,5255.0122720212281,2595.582020201901,0675.6121620192981,4945.083620181929965.2820Career1,2386,5115.348123 -
6 years ago while the keynote at a water event a Ph.D approached me with an invention. He pyrolyzed rice husks in a way that enabled them to remove heavy metals from water.
He asked for help, I did my due diligence and we formed a corporation.
It came time to raise capital and I appointed someone else as CEO. I did so because he was connected and had raised funding for many successful corporations. He put me in front of some powerful guys, like Fred Smith and Pitt Hyde. We secured $2.8 million in funding from some very powerful entities.
Along the way, we discovered that our product was not that thunderous in water.
We discovered however, that when used in cement it sequestered carbon, provided carbon credits for buyers, reduced biomass, and made cement stronger.
It was an instant hit with the Climate change crowd. Unfortunatelty my scientific discipline finds climate change to be total nonsense.
The dilemma then? How could we proceed when the founder, me, spoke and wrote against what the company was going to pursue?
Simple, I needed to be fired.
the next threebyears were tough. However, after selling off all its assets, today the company secured $21 million to build a green plant in California and has entities knocking down the door to buy our energy and cement/soil enhancing products. Barrons' predicted we will have a buyer in the $350 - 500 MM range within 3 years.
I had lunch today with the CEO, who is my dear friend, and offering me help on my new venture.
Hard to fire Chubb? Try firing yourself!
When I apponted someone else CEO my friends and wife couldn't believe it. Was I a beta? No.
This product was never MY dream. My skills put it together and launched it. As it changed, it bored the fuck out of me..With me as the CEO, the company would have died. Now, my stock interest has life and I am launching my own dream and a book.
Really long story short. People who make decision based on feelings, sentiment and loyalty, generally don't move the Earth.
If I owned the Browns, I would have cut Chubb before he was carted off. He is 28 and has had two major injuries on his knee.
Will he come back?
He will never give back to the Browns from now, going forward what was sucked out of them with him being hurt.
Chubb is a feel good story? Sure, but what does that get you?
Every week since he was gone a big part of the weekly talk has been "wait until Chubb gets back".
Life is lived today. Opportunity knocks now, not tomorrow.
The Browns don't make business decisions. They make emotional/political decisions. Flacco is gone because why? He is too different than Watson? Yeah, he motivated the team and fans, and he won. What kind of fucked up logic lets that energy get away?
Just remember this. Should Cubb be delayed in his return, not be his old self, or worse, get hurt again, it will be devastating to the moral of the entire franchise.
His potential downsides bury his potential upsides. Football, life, is more than analytics and Xs and Os.
We will see what happens, but regardless of how he comes back, Chubb should have been released and the team should have found a new plow horse.
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6 years ago while the keynote at a water event a Ph.D approached me with an invention. He pyrolyzed rice husks in a way that enabled them to remove heavy metals from water.
He asked for help, I did my due diligence and we formed a corporation.
It came time to raise capital and I appointed someone else as CEO. I did so because he was connected and had raised funding for many successful corporations. He put me in front of some powerful guys, like Fred Smith and Pitt Hyde. We secured $2.8 million in funding from some very powerful entities.
Along the way, we discovered that our product was not that thunderous in water.
We discovered however, that when used in cement it sequestered carbon, provided carbon credits for buyers, reduced biomass, and made cement stronger.
It was an instant hit with the Climate change crowd. Unfortunatelty my scientific discipline finds climate change to be total nonsense.
The dilemma then? How could we proceed when the founder, me, spoke and wrote against what the company was going to pursue?
Simple, I needed to be fired.
the next threebyears were tough. However, after selling off all its assets, today the company secured $21 million to build a green plant in California and has entities knocking down the door to buy our energy and cement/soil enhancing products. Barrons' predicted we will have a buyer in the $350 - 500 MM range within 3 years.
I had lunch today with the CEO, who is my dear friend, and offering me help on my new venture.
Hard to fire Chubb? Try firing yourself!
When I apponted someone else CEO my friends and wife couldn't believe it. Was I a beta? No.
This product was never MY dream. My skills put it together and launched it. As it changed, it bored the fuck out of me..With me as the CEO, the company would have died. Now, my stock interest has life and I am launching my own dream and a book.
Really long story short. People who make decision based on feelings, sentiment and loyalty, generally don't move the Earth.
If I owned the Browns, I would have cut Chubb before he was carted off. He is 28 and has had two major injuries on his knee.
Will he come back?
He will never give back to the Browns from now, going forward what was sucked out of them with him being hurt.
Chubb is a feel good story? Sure, but what does that get you?
Every week since he was gone a big part of the weekly talk has been "wait until Chubb gets back".
Life is lived today. Opportunity knocks now, not tomorrow.
The Browns don't make business decisions. They make emotional/political decisions. Flacco is gone because why? He is too different than Watson? Yeah, he motivated the team and fans, and he won. What kind of fucked up logic lets that energy get away?
Just remember this. Should Cubb be delayed in his return, not be his old self, or worse, get hurt again, it will be devastating to the moral of the entire franchise.
His potential downsides bury his potential upsides. Football, life, is more than analytics and Xs and Os.
We will see what happens, but regardless of how he comes back, Chubb should have been released and the team should have found a new plow horse.
6 years ago while the keynote at a water event a Ph.D approached me with an invention. He pyrolyzed rice husks in a way that enabled them to remove heavy metals from water.
He asked for help, I did my due diligence and we formed a corporation.
It came time to raise capital and I appointed someone else as CEO. I did so because he was connected and had raised funding for many successful corporations. He put me in front of some powerful guys, like Fred Smith and Pitt Hyde. We secured $2.8 million in funding from some very powerful entities.
Along the way, we discovered that our product was not that thunderous in water.
We discovered however, that when used in cement it sequestered carbon, provided carbon credits for buyers, reduced biomass, and made cement stronger.
It was an instant hit with the Climate change crowd. Unfortunatelty my scientific discipline finds climate change to be total nonsense.
The dilemma then? How could we proceed when the founder, me, spoke and wrote against what the company was going to pursue?
Simple, I needed to be fired.
the next threebyears were tough. However, after selling off all its assets, today the company secured $21 million to build a green plant in California and has entities knocking down the door to buy our energy and cement/soil enhancing products. Barrons' predicted we will have a buyer in the $350 - 500 MM range within 3 years.
I had lunch today with the CEO, who is my dear friend, and offering me help on my new venture.
Hard to fire Chubb? Try firing yourself!
When I apponted someone else CEO my friends and wife couldn't believe it. Was I a beta? No.
This product was never MY dream. My skills put it together and launched it. As it changed, it bored the fuck out of me..With me as the CEO, the company would have died. Now, my stock interest has life and I am launching my own dream and a book.
Really long story short. People who make decision based on feelings, sentiment and loyalty, generally don't move the Earth.
If I owned the Browns, I would have cut Chubb before he was carted off. He is 28 and has had two major injuries on his knee.
Will he come back?
He will never give back to the Browns from now, going forward what was sucked out of them with him being hurt.
Chubb is a feel good story? Sure, but what does that get you?
Every week since he was gone a big part of the weekly talk has been "wait until Chubb gets back".
Life is lived today. Opportunity knocks now, not tomorrow.
The Browns don't make business decisions. They make emotional/political decisions. Flacco is gone because why? He is too different than Watson? Yeah, he motivated the team and fans, and he won. What kind of fucked up logic lets that energy get away?
Just remember this. Should Cubb be delayed in his return, not be his old self, or worse, get hurt again, it will be devastating to the moral of the entire franchise.
His potential downsides bury his potential upsides. Football, life, is more than analytics and Xs and Os.
We will see what happens, but regardless of how he comes back, Chubb should have been released and the team should have found a new plow horse.
I'm okay admitting that I know you're right and that in this instance - Chubb, 28, two major knee injuries - I'm hopeful that Chubb is the statistical outlier.
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6 years ago while the keynote at a water event a Ph.D approached me with an invention. He pyrolyzed rice husks in a way that enabled them to remove heavy metals from water.
He asked for help, I did my due diligence and we formed a corporation.
It came time to raise capital and I appointed someone else as CEO. I did so because he was connected and had raised funding for many successful corporations. He put me in front of some powerful guys, like Fred Smith and Pitt Hyde. We secured $2.8 million in funding from some very powerful entities.
Along the way, we discovered that our product was not that thunderous in water.
We discovered however, that when used in cement it sequestered carbon, provided carbon credits for buyers, reduced biomass, and made cement stronger.
It was an instant hit with the Climate change crowd. Unfortunatelty my scientific discipline finds climate change to be total nonsense.
The dilemma then? How could we proceed when the founder, me, spoke and wrote against what the company was going to pursue?
Simple, I needed to be fired.
the next threebyears were tough. However, after selling off all its assets, today the company secured $21 million to build a green plant in California and has entities knocking down the door to buy our energy and cement/soil enhancing products. Barrons' predicted we will have a buyer in the $350 - 500 MM range within 3 years.
I had lunch today with the CEO, who is my dear friend, and offering me help on my new venture.
Hard to fire Chubb? Try firing yourself!
When I apponted someone else CEO my friends and wife couldn't believe it. Was I a beta? No.
This product was never MY dream. My skills put it together and launched it. As it changed, it bored the fuck out of me..With me as the CEO, the company would have died. Now, my stock interest has life and I am launching my own dream and a book.
Really long story short. People who make decision based on feelings, sentiment and loyalty, generally don't move the Earth.
If I owned the Browns, I would have cut Chubb before he was carted off. He is 28 and has had two major injuries on his knee.
Will he come back?
He will never give back to the Browns from now, going forward what was sucked out of them with him being hurt.
Chubb is a feel good story? Sure, but what does that get you?
Every week since he was gone a big part of the weekly talk has been "wait until Chubb gets back".
Life is lived today. Opportunity knocks now, not tomorrow.
The Browns don't make business decisions. They make emotional/political decisions. Flacco is gone because why? He is too different than Watson? Yeah, he motivated the team and fans, and he won. What kind of fucked up logic lets that energy get away?
Just remember this. Should Cubb be delayed in his return, not be his old self, or worse, get hurt again, it will be devastating to the moral of the entire franchise.
His potential downsides bury his potential upsides. Football, life, is more than analytics and Xs and Os.
We will see what happens, but regardless of how he comes back, Chubb should have been released and the team should have found a new plow horse.
I'm okay admitting that I know you're right and that in this instance - Chubb, 28, two major knee injuries - I'm hopeful that Chubb is the statistical outlier.
I'm okay admitting that I know you're right and that in this instance - Chubb, 28, two major knee injuries - I'm hopeful that Chubb is the statistical outlier.
Here's the thing, a lot of people assumed at the UGA he was either done or coming back at a best case scenario of 50% of a great memory. And what happened? And more important - why? "Thy will be done only if thy will be strong!" This is where this guy wins.
Tom's/Ghoolie's points would be applicable to a lot of people. Here's the thing, if you sat a lot of people in a room years ago and said "I'm gonna take solid and liquid waste and turn it all into water everyone can drink" they'd think you're bat shit nuts. Guess what? It took the right mind and the right will to slap all the naysayers upside the head to show the world you can reclaim drinking water with Reverse Osmosis.
Your very overcaffeinated buddy Flugel still believes Nick Chubb can be our Reverse Osmosis. He's already done it once in the SEC. This ain't a normal guy we're talking about so I feel like I'd be insulting him by quitting on what I've seen. Here's the misunderstanding, the Browns wouldn't be going broke because of Nick Chubb. It would be from the crack pipe the owner keeps using on how to invest in a franchise QB. This owner would have cut Josh Allen during the early learning curve and growing pains. He's clearly not wired to get it but those that prefer to look at profit margins to define business success would argue I'm wrong. That said, what owner of the 32 isn't benefitting from the shared revenue coming from Sunday Ticket monopoly?
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
I'm okay admitting that I know you're right and that in this instance - Chubb, 28, two major knee injuries - I'm hopeful that Chubb is the statistical outlier.
Here's the thing, a lot of people assumed at the UGA he was either done or coming back at a best case scenario of 50% of a great memory. And what happened? And more important - why? "Thy will be done only if thy will be strong!" This is where this guy wins.
Tom's/Ghoolie's points would be applicable to a lot of people. Here's the thing, if you sat a lot of people in a room years ago and said "I'm gonna take solid and liquid waste and turn it all into water everyone can drink" they'd think you're bat shit nuts. Guess what? It took the right mind and the right will to slap all the naysayers upside the head to show the world you can reclaim drinking water with Reverse Osmosis.
Your very overcaffeinated buddy Flugel still believes Nick Chubb can be our Reverse Osmosis. He's already done it once in the SEC. This ain't a normal guy we're talking about so I feel like I'd be insulting him by quitting on what I've seen. Here's the misunderstanding, the Browns wouldn't be going broke because of Nick Chubb. It would be from the crack pipe the owner keeps using on how to invest in a franchise QB. This owner would have cut Josh Allen during the early learning curve and growing pains. He's clearly not wired to get it but those that prefer to look at profit margins to define business success would argue I'm wrong. That said, what owner of the 32 isn't benefitting from the shared revenue coming from Sunday Ticket monopoly?
Here's the thing, a lot of people assumed at the UGA he was either done or coming back at a best case scenario of 50% of a great memory. And what happened? And more important - why? "Thy will be done only if thy will be strong!" This is where this guy wins.
Tom's/Ghoolie's points would be applicable to a lot of people. Here's the thing, if you sat a lot of people in a room years ago and said "I'm gonna take solid and liquid waste and turn it all into water everyone can drink" they'd think you're bat shit nuts. Guess what? It took the right mind and the right will to slap all the naysayers upside the head to show the world you can reclaim drinking water with Reverse Osmosis.
Your very overcaffeinated buddy Flugel still believes Nick Chubb can be our Reverse Osmosis. He's already done it once in the SEC. This ain't a normal guy we're talking about so I feel like I'd be insulting him by quitting on what I've seen. Here's the the misunderstanding, the Browns wouldn't be going broke because of Nick Chubb. It would be from the crack pipe the owner keeps using on how to invest in a franchise QB. This owner would have cut Josh Allen during the early learning curve and growing pains. He's clearly not wired to get it but those that prefer to look at profit margins to define business success would argue I'm wrong. That said, what owner of the 32 isn't benefitting from the shared revenue coming from Sunday Ticket monopoly?
Great points @flugel.
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@horse-balls said:
This is why Andrew Berry makes the decisions and you wake up in your own urine.
Ah.....I am more than happy to compare financials to Andrew Berry. Any time you want to compare your CV, just let me know
Despite that, Berry has not exactly been successful, has he? He is to NFL team managers what Watson is to quarterbacks.
The average running back craps out at 28-29. Chubb is 28 and in addition to normal wear and tear had his leg FUBAR.
It appears that he is not going to return until week 8 or 9?
This classifies him in the same utility category as Deshaun Watson. Sitting on his ass for a year and a half.
A young healthy man with an injury and 18 months off isn't just going to get off the bench and be at the top of his game.
Instead of moving forward with fresh legs and a new offense, the Browns decided to stand pat and put in a place card until Chubb shows up.
You have to be a jackoff if you think this guy is ever going to be close to what he was. He will milk the Browns for salary and sentimentality for 2024, then retire. Just watch.
Ah.....I am more than happy to compare financials to Andrew Berry
Andrew Berry has more money than you.
He's also smarter, better looking, more educated, friendlier, funnier, and more interesting at cocktail parties than you.
And if he decided to play a musical instrument he would probably be better than you at that. Your tiny Trump-like Vienna-sausage fingers cannot be a plus in that department.
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Ghoolie, your thought process on this is an example of why many wealthy owners fail when they purchase professional teams. They don't run exactly like a corporate business.
In your story of having to fire yourself as CEO, the actual parallel is the Browns not cutting Chubb, but redoing his contract at lesser rate, with performance escalators, and still being only for this year. It's a move more tied to allowing future success. But instead of being about future funding/revenue, its about future dealings with their own FAs, FAs they try to sign, dealing with agents, and even coaches.
The only things not cutting Chubb did is cost money and some salary cap space. Neither of which are actual problems for the organization
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6 years ago while the keynote at a water event a Ph.D approached me with an invention. He pyrolyzed rice husks in a way that enabled them to remove heavy metals from water.
He asked for help, I did my due diligence and we formed a corporation.
It came time to raise capital and I appointed someone else as CEO. I did so because he was connected and had raised funding for many successful corporations. He put me in front of some powerful guys, like Fred Smith and Pitt Hyde. We secured $2.8 million in funding from some very powerful entities.
Along the way, we discovered that our product was not that thunderous in water.
We discovered however, that when used in cement it sequestered carbon, provided carbon credits for buyers, reduced biomass, and made cement stronger.
It was an instant hit with the Climate change crowd. Unfortunatelty my scientific discipline finds climate change to be total nonsense.
The dilemma then? How could we proceed when the founder, me, spoke and wrote against what the company was going to pursue?
Simple, I needed to be fired.
the next threebyears were tough. However, after selling off all its assets, today the company secured $21 million to build a green plant in California and has entities knocking down the door to buy our energy and cement/soil enhancing products. Barrons' predicted we will have a buyer in the $350 - 500 MM range within 3 years.
I had lunch today with the CEO, who is my dear friend, and offering me help on my new venture.
Hard to fire Chubb? Try firing yourself!
When I apponted someone else CEO my friends and wife couldn't believe it. Was I a beta? No.
This product was never MY dream. My skills put it together and launched it. As it changed, it bored the fuck out of me..With me as the CEO, the company would have died. Now, my stock interest has life and I am launching my own dream and a book.
Really long story short. People who make decision based on feelings, sentiment and loyalty, generally don't move the Earth.
If I owned the Browns, I would have cut Chubb before he was carted off. He is 28 and has had two major injuries on his knee.
Will he come back?
He will never give back to the Browns from now, going forward what was sucked out of them with him being hurt.
Chubb is a feel good story? Sure, but what does that get you?
Every week since he was gone a big part of the weekly talk has been "wait until Chubb gets back".
Life is lived today. Opportunity knocks now, not tomorrow.
The Browns don't make business decisions. They make emotional/political decisions. Flacco is gone because why? He is too different than Watson? Yeah, he motivated the team and fans, and he won. What kind of fucked up logic lets that energy get away?
Just remember this. Should Cubb be delayed in his return, not be his old self, or worse, get hurt again, it will be devastating to the moral of the entire franchise.
His potential downsides bury his potential upsides. Football, life, is more than analytics and Xs and Os.
We will see what happens, but regardless of how he comes back, Chubb should have been released and the team should have found a new plow horse.
I'm okay admitting that I know you're right and that in this instance - Chubb, 28, two major knee injuries - I'm hopeful that Chubb is the statistical outlier.
I'm okay admitting that I know you're right and that in this instance - Chubb, 28, two major knee injuries - I'm hopeful that Chubb is the statistical outlier.
Bro, the thing is, I like Chubb. The Browns have a history of great RBs, and not just JB, The Pruitts, Bon Scott Kelly, Mitchell, and even Calvin Hill were crowd pleasers. Chubb is of that caliber.
I also hope I am full of shit on this one. The issue I have is that the Browns don't make football decisions.
Watson had nothing to do with football and everything to do with Dee Haslam's influence in forcing diversity/DEI shit.
Who spends 235 million knowing that your guy is going to be on ice for a year? Who puts their running game on hold for more than a year because of sentiment?
There is simply no logic to this.
I think it takes a lot of discipline and eye on the prize thinking to win a championship. These decisions are antithetical to building a winner.
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Ghoolie, your thought process on this is an example of why many wealthy owners fail when they purchase professional teams. They don't run exactly like a corporate business.
In your story of having to fire yourself as CEO, the actual parallel is the Browns not cutting Chubb, but redoing his contract at lesser rate, with performance escalators, and still being only for this year. It's a move more tied to allowing future success. But instead of being about future funding/revenue, its about future dealings with their own FAs, FAs they try to sign, dealing with agents, and even coaches.
The only things not cutting Chubb did is cost money and some salary cap space. Neither of which are actual problems for the organization
Ghoolie, your thought process on this is an example of why many wealthy owners fail when they purchase professional teams. They don't run exactly like a corporate business.
In your story of having to fire yourself as CEO, the actual parallel is the Browns not cutting Chubb, but redoing his contract at lesser rate, with performance escalators, and still being only for this year. It's a move more tied to allowing future success. But instead of being about future funding/revenue, its about future dealings with their own FAs, FAs they try to sign, dealing with agents, and even coaches.
The only things not cutting Chubb did is cost money and some salary cap space. Neither of which are actual problems for the organization
So tell me, what corporations and successful business ventures have you launched that you have wisdom as to offer analysis on this?
The ONLY reason so many wealthy men "fail" at owning a team, or at new business ventures, is because they take huge risks.
Each year, arithmetic gives an owner AT best, a 1 in 32 chance of winning a SB. However, when you add in the differences player quality, those odds could be aslow as 1 in 1,000.
Each new season, the odds start.again at 1/32 AT Best.
Your analysis has a major flaw, and it is a common flaw for people who are not entrepreneurial risk takers. And I don't mean To be rude or condescending.
You are a fan. You mistakenly think that all 32 owners are driven to win a Super Bowl. You mistakenly assume that all 32 owners love football.
Such is not the case.
Did you ever notice that some teams, like the Browns since 1999, are constantly perennial non-threats to win a Superbowl?
For 80% of NFL owners winning is not their primary reason for owning a team.
The NFL renumeration system is set up so that even the shittiest teams reward the Owner with wealth very close to the better teams.
The overwhelming majority of NFL owners are fans innate only and couldn't give a shit about winning or losing.
I PROMISE YOU, a billionaire doesn't give many fucks about fans being upset. His revenue is steady and he can always fire people and concierge that fans that "FINALLY, FINALLY, FINALLY" we have the right team in place.
Jerry Jones is a fans' owner. Modell was too. They were fans who cared about winning. Lerner? Haslam? Are you nuts?
You say the reason so many wealthy people are failures? Listen to yourself,
Seriously, again I am not trying to be rude, but, "the reason so many wealthy people are failures?"
Owners, Venture Capitalists, Entrepreneus take risk for one reason and one reason only, to make more money?
Does an owner want a championship and that limelight? Sure.
But not anymore than wishing the young, big-titted arm candy wife you have has a high IQ.
Fans think that billionaires are one of them....they aren't.
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Ah.....I am more than happy to compare financials to Andrew Berry
Andrew Berry has more money than you.
He's also smarter, better looking, more educated, friendlier, funnier, and more interesting at cocktail parties than you.
And if he decided to play a musical instrument he would probably be better than you at that. Your tiny Trump-like Vienna-sausage fingers cannot be a plus in that department.
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Andrew Berry has more money than you.
He's also smarter, better looking, more educated, friendlier, funnier, and more interesting at cocktail parties than you.
And if he decided to play a musical instrument he would probably be better than you at that. Your tiny Trump-like Vienna-sausage fingers cannot be a plus in that department.
I can buy him 3 times over. Go research my patents, you simpleton. That alone puts Berry at my feet.
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I'm okay admitting that I know you're right and that in this instance - Chubb, 28, two major knee injuries - I'm hopeful that Chubb is the statistical outlier.
Here's the thing, a lot of people assumed at the UGA he was either done or coming back at a best case scenario of 50% of a great memory. And what happened? And more important - why? "Thy will be done only if thy will be strong!" This is where this guy wins.
Tom's/Ghoolie's points would be applicable to a lot of people. Here's the thing, if you sat a lot of people in a room years ago and said "I'm gonna take solid and liquid waste and turn it all into water everyone can drink" they'd think you're bat shit nuts. Guess what? It took the right mind and the right will to slap all the naysayers upside the head to show the world you can reclaim drinking water with Reverse Osmosis.
Your very overcaffeinated buddy Flugel still believes Nick Chubb can be our Reverse Osmosis. He's already done it once in the SEC. This ain't a normal guy we're talking about so I feel like I'd be insulting him by quitting on what I've seen. Here's the misunderstanding, the Browns wouldn't be going broke because of Nick Chubb. It would be from the crack pipe the owner keeps using on how to invest in a franchise QB. This owner would have cut Josh Allen during the early learning curve and growing pains. He's clearly not wired to get it but those that prefer to look at profit margins to define business success would argue I'm wrong. That said, what owner of the 32 isn't benefitting from the shared revenue coming from Sunday Ticket monopoly?
Here's the thing, a lot of people assumed at the UGA he was either done or coming back at a best case scenario of 50% of a great memory. And what happened? And more important - why? "Thy will be done only if thy will be strong!" This is where this guy wins.
Tom's/Ghoolie's points would be applicable to a lot of people. Here's the thing, if you sat a lot of people in a room years ago and said "I'm gonna take solid and liquid waste and turn it all into water everyone can drink" they'd think you're bat shit nuts. Guess what? It took the right mind and the right will to slap all the naysayers upside the head to show the world you can reclaim drinking water with Reverse Osmosis.
Your very overcaffeinated buddy Flugel still believes Nick Chubb can be our Reverse Osmosis. He's already done it once in the SEC. This ain't a normal guy we're talking about so I feel like I'd be insulting him by quitting on what I've seen. Here's the misunderstanding, the Browns wouldn't be going broke because of Nick Chubb. It would be from the crack pipe the owner keeps using on how to invest in a franchise QB. This owner would have cut Josh Allen during the early learning curve and growing pains. He's clearly not wired to get it but those that prefer to look at profit margins to define business success would argue I'm wrong. That said, what owner of the 32 isn't benefitting from the shared revenue coming from Sunday Ticket monopoly?
Tom, if anyone can overcome such things, Chubb is as good of a bet as any. One of the reasons we love sports is because of the unexpected.
As much as a pragmatic I am, I am at least stil open to the possibility that we hit a jackpot. We sure are overdue.
Do you think the Browns signing fresh legs has any relevance to Chubbs' current outlook?
I think it does. Having a second back banged up certainly comes into play, but I personally think it is more than that.
Keeping an eye out for penalties and mistakes tomorrow. Let's see if they clean that mess up.
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