How many games will Watson last?
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But that doesn’t mean you quit trying.
Then there is Brock Purdy, the last pick of the 2022 draft.
He's a star with the niners. With all the skills, why he was overlooked so long,
is a mystery. The Browns need to find their guy, I don't care what college he comes from, and I don't care if he is rated top ten in the any of the football gurus ratings.
Then there is Brock Purdy, the last pick of the 2022 draft.
He's a star with the niners. With all the skills, why he was overlooked so long,
is a mystery. The Browns need to find their guy, I don't care what college he comes from, and I don't care if he is rated top ten in the any of the football gurus ratings.
Not sure Purdy is a "star." Just a cat that benefits from being in Kyle Shanahan's offense.
I agree the Browns should draft and develop "their guy." But until then I am riding with Deshaun, in my somewhat slight support of the Browns
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The #Browns are not the only team whose large investment at QB isn’t paying off. Here’s an NFL reality check for the QB position:
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Jaguars paid Trevor Lawrence $275M ($55M average), and they’re 0-8 in their last eight games.
Bengals paid Joe Burrow $275M ($55M average), and he’s finished 50% of his career on IR and the Bengals are 0-3 to start the season.
Dolphins and Packers both paid their QBs $55M/year and both QBs are currently injured and not playing.
Chargers paid Justin Herbert $52.5M/year just to hire a run-heavy coach. Plus, Herbert continues to suffer and potentially miss time with injuries.
Eagles paid Jalen Hurts $51M/year, and he’s been extremely hot and cold. Hurts is currently T-3rd most INTs in 2024.
Broncos traded 2 first-round picks, 2 seconds and more for Russell Wilson. They’re currently paying $53M for Wilson to be the backup QB in Pittsburgh.
49ers traded 3 first-round picks to get Trey Lance. He made 4 starts.
Panthers traded 2 firsts, 2 seconds and D.J. Moore for Bryce Young. He was benched after 2 games this season.
Going back further, Eagles paid Carson Wentz $32M/year for 4 years in 2019. He was replaced by Jalen Hurts less than 2 years later.
Rams paid Jared Goff $33.5M/year for 4 years in 2019. Two years later, they traded Goff and 2 first-round picks for Matthew Stafford.
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The bottom line is the QB position is the most important position in sports, and teams will do some pretty wild things at the mere chance of getting it right.
Hindsight is always 20/20, but when teams makes these decisions, they’re making their moves for the ultimate upside. More times than not, it doesn’t work the way they hoped.
But that doesn’t mean you quit trying.The #Browns are not the only team whose large investment at QB isn’t paying off. Here’s an NFL reality check for the QB position:
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Jaguars paid Trevor Lawrence $275M ($55M average), and they’re 0-8 in their last eight games.
Bengals paid Joe Burrow $275M ($55M average), and he’s finished 50% of his career on IR and the Bengals are 0-3 to start the season.
Dolphins and Packers both paid their QBs $55M/year and both QBs are currently injured and not playing.
Chargers paid Justin Herbert $52.5M/year just to hire a run-heavy coach. Plus, Herbert continues to suffer and potentially miss time with injuries.
Eagles paid Jalen Hurts $51M/year, and he’s been extremely hot and cold. Hurts is currently T-3rd most INTs in 2024.
Broncos traded 2 first-round picks, 2 seconds and more for Russell Wilson. They’re currently paying $53M for Wilson to be the backup QB in Pittsburgh.
49ers traded 3 first-round picks to get Trey Lance. He made 4 starts.
Panthers traded 2 firsts, 2 seconds and D.J. Moore for Bryce Young. He was benched after 2 games this season.
Going back further, Eagles paid Carson Wentz $32M/year for 4 years in 2019. He was replaced by Jalen Hurts less than 2 years later.
Rams paid Jared Goff $33.5M/year for 4 years in 2019. Two years later, they traded Goff and 2 first-round picks for Matthew Stafford.
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The bottom line is the QB position is the most important position in sports, and teams will do some pretty wild things at the mere chance of getting it right.
Hindsight is always 20/20, but when teams makes these decisions, they’re making their moves for the ultimate upside. More times than not, it doesn’t work the way they hoped.
But that doesn’t mean you quit trying.Injuries? A QB that is “extremely hot and cold” ?
Shit happens.This is a piece intended to make Browns fans agonizing over Watson sleep better at night.
The only one near the same level as the Browns debacle was Denver with Russell Wilson.
Except that Denver didn’t help build a Super Bowl contender in Houston .
Except that Denver didn’t take on a criminal inundated with legal matters who never wanted to be in Denver in the first place.
Yes, it doesn’t mean you quit trying. For this franchise this means not to quit trying being a respected organization, rather than continue being the most ridiculed franchise in the history of professional sports.
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The #Browns are not the only team whose large investment at QB isn’t paying off. Here’s an NFL reality check for the QB position:
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Jaguars paid Trevor Lawrence $275M ($55M average), and they’re 0-8 in their last eight games.
Bengals paid Joe Burrow $275M ($55M average), and he’s finished 50% of his career on IR and the Bengals are 0-3 to start the season.
Dolphins and Packers both paid their QBs $55M/year and both QBs are currently injured and not playing.
Chargers paid Justin Herbert $52.5M/year just to hire a run-heavy coach. Plus, Herbert continues to suffer and potentially miss time with injuries.
Eagles paid Jalen Hurts $51M/year, and he’s been extremely hot and cold. Hurts is currently T-3rd most INTs in 2024.
Broncos traded 2 first-round picks, 2 seconds and more for Russell Wilson. They’re currently paying $53M for Wilson to be the backup QB in Pittsburgh.
49ers traded 3 first-round picks to get Trey Lance. He made 4 starts.
Panthers traded 2 firsts, 2 seconds and D.J. Moore for Bryce Young. He was benched after 2 games this season.
Going back further, Eagles paid Carson Wentz $32M/year for 4 years in 2019. He was replaced by Jalen Hurts less than 2 years later.
Rams paid Jared Goff $33.5M/year for 4 years in 2019. Two years later, they traded Goff and 2 first-round picks for Matthew Stafford.
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The bottom line is the QB position is the most important position in sports, and teams will do some pretty wild things at the mere chance of getting it right.
Hindsight is always 20/20, but when teams makes these decisions, they’re making their moves for the ultimate upside. More times than not, it doesn’t work the way they hoped.
But that doesn’t mean you quit trying.The #Browns are not the only team whose large investment at QB isn’t paying off. Here’s an NFL reality check for the QB position:
-—————
Jaguars paid Trevor Lawrence $275M ($55M average), and they’re 0-8 in their last eight games.
Bengals paid Joe Burrow $275M ($55M average), and he’s finished 50% of his career on IR and the Bengals are 0-3 to start the season.
Dolphins and Packers both paid their QBs $55M/year and both QBs are currently injured and not playing.
Chargers paid Justin Herbert $52.5M/year just to hire a run-heavy coach. Plus, Herbert continues to suffer and potentially miss time with injuries.
Eagles paid Jalen Hurts $51M/year, and he’s been extremely hot and cold. Hurts is currently T-3rd most INTs in 2024.
Broncos traded 2 first-round picks, 2 seconds and more for Russell Wilson. They’re currently paying $53M for Wilson to be the backup QB in Pittsburgh.
49ers traded 3 first-round picks to get Trey Lance. He made 4 starts.
Panthers traded 2 firsts, 2 seconds and D.J. Moore for Bryce Young. He was benched after 2 games this season.
Going back further, Eagles paid Carson Wentz $32M/year for 4 years in 2019. He was replaced by Jalen Hurts less than 2 years later.
Rams paid Jared Goff $33.5M/year for 4 years in 2019. Two years later, they traded Goff and 2 first-round picks for Matthew Stafford.
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The bottom line is the QB position is the most important position in sports, and teams will do some pretty wild things at the mere chance of getting it right.
Hindsight is always 20/20, but when teams makes these decisions, they’re making their moves for the ultimate upside. More times than not, it doesn’t work the way they hoped.
But that doesn’t mean you quit trying.Lawrence is a bargain compared to Watson. He is much cheaper in cost of draft picks and $
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Then there is Brock Purdy, the last pick of the 2022 draft.
He's a star with the niners. With all the skills, why he was overlooked so long,
is a mystery. The Browns need to find their guy, I don't care what college he comes from, and I don't care if he is rated top ten in the any of the football gurus ratings.
Not sure Purdy is a "star." Just a cat that benefits from being in Kyle Shanahan's offense.
I agree the Browns should draft and develop "their guy." But until then I am riding with Deshaun, in my somewhat slight support of the Browns
Not sure Purdy is a "star." Just a cat that benefits from being in Kyle Shanahan's offense.
Interesting take. Especially considering all the offensive philosophy overlap from Shanny to Lefleur.
I assume that means you don't believe Love is a 'Star' because he benefits from having similar coaching and structure then?
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Then there is Brock Purdy, the last pick of the 2022 draft.
He's a star with the niners. With all the skills, why he was overlooked so long,
is a mystery. The Browns need to find their guy, I don't care what college he comes from, and I don't care if he is rated top ten in the any of the football gurus ratings.
Not sure Purdy is a "star." Just a cat that benefits from being in Kyle Shanahan's offense.
I agree the Browns should draft and develop "their guy." But until then I am riding with Deshaun, in my somewhat slight support of the Browns
Not sure Purdy is a "star." Just a cat that benefits from being in Kyle Shanahan's offense.
I agree the Browns should draft and develop "their guy." But until then I am riding with Deshaun, in my somewhat slight support of the Browns
Well you'll be riding DeSuck to a 6-11 record or worse..
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
Not sure Purdy is a "star." Just a cat that benefits from being in Kyle Shanahan's offense.
Interesting take. Especially considering all the offensive philosophy overlap from Shanny to Lefleur.
I assume that means you don't believe Love is a 'Star' because he benefits from having similar coaching and structure then?
Interesting take. Especially considering all the offensive philosophy overlap from Shanny to Lefleur.
I assume that means you don't believe Love is a 'Star' because he benefits from having similar coaching and structure then?
Well, I do think there are benefits to being in LaFleur's offense. But I don't think we would argue over the fact that J-Love is far more talented than Purdy. And J-Love could flourish in any offense, while Purdy could not.
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Not sure Purdy is a "star." Just a cat that benefits from being in Kyle Shanahan's offense.
I agree the Browns should draft and develop "their guy." But until then I am riding with Deshaun, in my somewhat slight support of the Browns
Well you'll be riding DeSuck to a 6-11 record or worse..
Well you'll be riding DeSuck to a 6-11 record or worse..
So, the Browns the fortunes are all dependent on Watson? If they indeed go 6-11 or worse, no one else would be at fault but Deshaun?
No QB could be successful behind that OL, and with a clown play caller.
But I do think Deshaun has much better chance at helping the Browns get to the playoffs than Winston would. Yes, some here are calling for Watson to be benched after only 3 games, and going with Winston. Sorry, but that would be panicking. Ask Saints fans about Winston. Careful what you wish for.
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Interesting take. Especially considering all the offensive philosophy overlap from Shanny to Lefleur.
I assume that means you don't believe Love is a 'Star' because he benefits from having similar coaching and structure then?
Well, I do think there are benefits to being in LaFleur's offense. But I don't think we would argue over the fact that J-Love is far more talented than Purdy. And J-Love could flourish in any offense, while Purdy could not.
But I don't think we would argue over the fact that J-Love is far more talented than Purdy. And J-Love could flourish in any offense, while Purdy could not.
Purdy operates in an incredibly similar offense as Love, structural, play call, language, etc etc. And puts up numbers every bit as good if not better in a pretty tough division.
Only pointing out that if you feel Purdy isn't a "star* because of Shanahan's offense, yet MFL is a disciple of those same systems, then that would mean your QB is also a direct beneficiary and in the same mold.
I'm only showing you how your own attempt at logic can be used against you. That's all. No need or merit for debate or argument.
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Well you'll be riding DeSuck to a 6-11 record or worse..
So, the Browns the fortunes are all dependent on Watson? If they indeed go 6-11 or worse, no one else would be at fault but Deshaun?
No QB could be successful behind that OL, and with a clown play caller.
But I do think Deshaun has much better chance at helping the Browns get to the playoffs than Winston would. Yes, some here are calling for Watson to be benched after only 3 games, and going with Winston. Sorry, but that would be panicking. Ask Saints fans about Winston. Careful what you wish for.
So, the Browns the fortunes are all dependent on Watson? If they indeed go 6-11 or worse, no one else would be at fault but Deshaun?
No QB could be successful behind that OL, and with a clown play caller.
But I do think Deshaun has much better chance at helping the Browns get to the playoffs than Winston would. Yes, some here all calling for Watson to be benched after only 3 games, and going with Winston. Sorry, but that would be panicking. Ask Saints fans about Winston. Careful what you wish for.
Winston is garbage too...
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
Then there is Brock Purdy, the last pick of the 2022 draft.
He's a star with the niners. With all the skills, why he was overlooked so long,
is a mystery. The Browns need to find their guy, I don't care what college he comes from, and I don't care if he is rated top ten in the any of the football gurus ratings.
Purdy has a far better and intact OL. He has enough time back there to make soup from scratch. Our QB is lucky to even get 2 seconds with this poorly conceived and now replete with injuries sham of an OL.
Purdy has a far better and intact OL. He has enough time back there to make soup from scratch. Our QB is lucky to even get 2 seconds with this poorly conceived and now replete with injuries sham of an OL.
I'm not saying our o line is good or not, but is Watson holding the ball for too long?
That'll make any o line look like garbage.
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Purdy has a far better and intact OL. He has enough time back there to make soup from scratch. Our QB is lucky to even get 2 seconds with this poorly conceived and now replete with injuries sham of an OL.
I'm not saying our o line is good or not, but is Watson holding the ball for too long?
That'll make any o line look like garbage.
I'm not saying our o line is good or not, but is Watson holding the ball for too long?
That'll make any o line look like garbage.
I think the only way you know for sure is put a stopwatch on every play where the ball remains in his hands. Surely some statistician somewhere has that information. I know from watching Purdy that he takes naps sometimes before throwing.??
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But I don't think we would argue over the fact that J-Love is far more talented than Purdy. And J-Love could flourish in any offense, while Purdy could not.
Purdy operates in an incredibly similar offense as Love, structural, play call, language, etc etc. And puts up numbers every bit as good if not better in a pretty tough division.
Only pointing out that if you feel Purdy isn't a "star* because of Shanahan's offense, yet MFL is a disciple of those same systems, then that would mean your QB is also a direct beneficiary and in the same mold.
I'm only showing you how your own attempt at logic can be used against you. That's all. No need or merit for debate or argument.
Purdy operates in an incredibly similar offense as Love, structural, play call, language, etc etc. And puts up numbers every bit as good if not better in a pretty tough division.
Only pointing out that if you feel Purdy isn't a "star* because of Shanahan's offense, yet MFL is a disciple of those same systems, then that would mean your QB is also a direct beneficiary and in the same mold.
I'm only showing you how your own attempt at logic can be used against you. That's all. No need or merit for debate or argument.
I said J-Love does benefit from being in LaFleur's offense. I didn't say they don't play in similar offenses NOW. I stated that J-Love could flourish in ANY offense, and Purdy could not.
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So, the Browns the fortunes are all dependent on Watson? If they indeed go 6-11 or worse, no one else would be at fault but Deshaun?
No QB could be successful behind that OL, and with a clown play caller.
But I do think Deshaun has much better chance at helping the Browns get to the playoffs than Winston would. Yes, some here all calling for Watson to be benched after only 3 games, and going with Winston. Sorry, but that would be panicking. Ask Saints fans about Winston. Careful what you wish for.
Winston is garbage too...
Winston is garbage too...
Ok, then you agree they should roll with Watson. He is not going anywhere, so the fans might as well roll with him too.
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I'm not saying our o line is good or not, but is Watson holding the ball for too long?
That'll make any o line look like garbage.
I think the only way you know for sure is put a stopwatch on every play where the ball remains in his hands. Surely some statistician somewhere has that information. I know from watching Purdy that he takes naps sometimes before throwing.??
I think the only way you know for sure is put a stopwatch on every play where the ball remains in his hands. Surely some statistician somewhere has that information. I know from watching Purdy that he takes naps sometimes before throwing.??
With Watson and the Browns, it’s both. The Browns OLine is in shambles, and Watson has ALWAYS held onto the ball too long, dating back to Houston.
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Purdy operates in an incredibly similar offense as Love, structural, play call, language, etc etc. And puts up numbers every bit as good if not better in a pretty tough division.
Only pointing out that if you feel Purdy isn't a "star* because of Shanahan's offense, yet MFL is a disciple of those same systems, then that would mean your QB is also a direct beneficiary and in the same mold.
I'm only showing you how your own attempt at logic can be used against you. That's all. No need or merit for debate or argument.
I said J-Love does benefit from being in LaFleur's offense. I didn't say they don't play in similar offenses NOW. I stated that J-Love could flourish in ANY offense, and Purdy could not.
I said J-Love does benefit from being in LaFleur's offense. I didn't say they don't play in similar offenses NOW. I stated that J-Love could flourish in ANY offense, and Purdy could not.
And you have absolutely zero to support that apart from your fandom. It's cool to hang onto that, but I don't do subjective to that level. I leave that to the (FAN)atics.
Good talk.
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Ok, then you agree they should roll with Watson. He is not going anywhere, so the fans might as well roll with him too.
No I agree they should dump them both and get a real fucking QB... This season is done and DTR is not an AFC north QB... He's too puny and frail...
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
Ok, then you agree they should roll with Watson. He is not going anywhere, so the fans might as well roll with him too.
No I agree they should dump them both and get a real fucking QB... This season is done and DTR is not an AFC north QB... He's too puny and frail...
No I agree they should dump them both and get a real fucking QB... This season is done and DTR is not an AFC north QB... He's too puny and frail...
DTR is a skinny dude. Nonetheless, if the wheels fall off, that’s who l want to see in there. He’s really the only QB we got with that mystique of the unknown about him, and that’s pretty exciting when you have no wheels.
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No I agree they should dump them both and get a real fucking QB... This season is done and DTR is not an AFC north QB... He's too puny and frail...
DTR is a skinny dude. Nonetheless, if the wheels fall off, that’s who l want to see in there. He’s really the only QB we got with that mystique of the unknown about him, and that’s pretty exciting when you have no wheels.
DTR is a skinny dude. Nonetheless, if the wheels fall off, that’s who l want to see in there. He’s really the only QB we got with that mystique of the unknown about him, and that’s pretty exciting when you have no wheels.
I really don't need to see him... He looks like trash too..
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Ok, then you agree they should roll with Watson. He is not going anywhere, so the fans might as well roll with him too.
No I agree they should dump them both and get a real fucking QB... This season is done and DTR is not an AFC north QB... He's too puny and frail...
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