Art Modell up for HOF
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just please no more defecating on his grave, that was fucked up
When I read the story, I googled where he was buried. It’s in Baltimore, of course. If it was in Cleveland, they would’ve moved it by now.
I’m not driving 5.5 hours to take a leak, but if I’m ever in Baltimore……… -
Yep.
Turned 20 during that last season at the Stadium.
I turned 25. It was 1995, correct? My memory isn’t what it used to be. ?
I turned 25. It was 1995, correct? My memory isn’t what it used to be. ?
Yes sir...
I don't remember exactly when the news came out that the Browns were leaving, but it had to be about the same time that the Indians were going to their first World Series in 41 years.
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Like, I don't recommend it... but I'm not taking the offender off my Christmas card list either.
Jesus understands.
Jesus understands.
Jesus, I like him very much.
But he no help me hit curveball...
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Jesus understands.
Jesus, I like him very much.
But he no help me hit curveball...
Jesus, I like him very much.
But he no help me hit curveball...
are you telling me Jesus can’t hit a curveball?
"And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve." -
Given the dichotomy of the situation, I'm surprised a documentary hasn't been made about the Cleveland fan base riding the highest of highs and the lowest of lows at the same time.
As the pre-season started many predicted the Browns to be a Super Bowl contender. They started 3-1, while the Indians were finishing the regular season. By that time, I believe Lerner had already met with Baltimore sports authorities AND, maybe, by that time, Modell, Lerner and the Baltimore sports authorities had met in NY.
The Baltimore sports authorities tried to hold Modell's feet to the fire because they'd been burned by Mike Brown the year prior. Brown used that leverage to get PBS built in Cincy.
I'm not sure when Modell spilled the beans to the NFL. I believe Carmen Policy tried to work with the Rooneys and the NFL to keep the team from moving.
The Browns went from 3-1 to 3-4 in three weeks so, internally, they'd already been falling apart because of the upheaval. I don't recall when I first started hearing about the possibility of the move, but the Indians swept the Red Sox in the ALDS. Then came that magical ALCS against the Mariners, which, at one point they were down 1-2 in the series.
The World Series was the third week of October. Modell formally announced the move on November 6th. The only time I ever saw my Dad cry.
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Jesus, I like him very much.
But he no help me hit curveball...
are you telling me Jesus can’t hit a curveball?
are you telling me Jesus can’t hit a curveball?
For my money, the greatest line in American cinema history
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are you telling me Jesus can’t hit a curveball?
For my money, the greatest line in American cinema history
For my money, the greatest line in American cinema history
You may run like Mays, but you like shit. That’s my favorite from that movie
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For my money, the greatest line in American cinema history
You may run like Mays, but you like shit. That’s my favorite from that movie
You may run like Mays, but you like shit. That’s my favorite from that movie
This place got coney dogs?
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Take way the emotion and Art deserves to be in the HOF. He did more for the league than most any other owner.
It's time to forgive and forget. Leave the petty emotions aside. He belongs in the HOF.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. -
Take way the emotion and Art deserves to be in the HOF. He did more for the league than most any other owner.
It's time to forgive and forget. Leave the petty emotions aside. He belongs in the HOF.
Take way the emotion and Art deserves to be in the HOF. He did more for the league than most any other owner.
It's time to forgive and forget. Leave the petty emotions aside. He belongs in the HOF.
He took arguably the best NFL franchise and ran it into mediocrity, then damn near went bankrupt. A NFL owner went broke. That’s as hilarious as someone bankrupting a casino.
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It wasn’t just the move to Baltimore, it was what resulted after the move that makes fans pissed at Art.
His decision turned a proud and storied franchise into pro sports biggest laughing stock. The only “story” anyone has known is the one since 1999. That’s 26 years of mostly garbage .
He shoulda took the name and colors . As perennial winners with 2 Super Bowl titles, the Baltimore Browns would have at least continued to preserve the Browns tradition.
I agree. We should’ve got an entire new team. Name, colors, and everything
I agree. We should’ve got an entire new team. Name, colors, and everything
I hear you; BUT Cleveland won 7 of their 8 Pro Football Championships in those colors BEFORE Modell. 3 of those Championships were in the NFL (when they made it to the NFL Championship Game in all of their 1st 6 seasons in it). As you know, a lot of family traditions of following this franchise launched back then and continued all the way to 2-4 generations later today. That's what sticks with me - the memories of driving 4 hours to games with my dad and brother. On top of that, my dad hooked up a huge antenna and got Browns games from all over the NE and up as far as Ottawa (Canada) before satellite tv. FWIW, the Browns also had the perfect colors for Fall. I'm only speaking for me; but if they decided to choose purple and name the team after a ratbird - it would have been tougher to rally around. I prolly would have ended up accepting it though.
The Cleveland Rams also won an NFL Championship in 1945; but that was their last year as a Pro Football Team in Cleveland. That was timed well with the Browns joining the AAFC from 1946-1949.
We just gotta get better ownership in Cleveland so the Browns aren't hiring/drafting guys just to fire/cut them all 3 years later. When I see people getting pumped up to fire or cut someone - the same fellers are still doing the hiring with the same crack pipe criteria.
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Take way the emotion and Art deserves to be in the HOF. He did more for the league than most any other owner.
It's time to forgive and forget. Leave the petty emotions aside. He belongs in the HOF.
Take way the emotion and Art deserves to be in the HOF. He did more for the league than most any other owner.
It's time to forgive and forget. Leave the petty emotions aside. He belongs in the HOF.
I see where you are going with that.... take away his moving the team. firing Paul Brown, trading Paul Warfield, dumping Bernie Kosar, and being a complete arrogant, self-centered ass for most of his time in the nfl, firing coaches, losing seasons, .......well, yeah, he wasn't a ...bad owner.
But he doesn't belong in the HOF.
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Take way the emotion and Art deserves to be in the HOF. He did more for the league than most any other owner.
It's time to forgive and forget. Leave the petty emotions aside. He belongs in the HOF.
I see where you are going with that.... take away his moving the team. firing Paul Brown, trading Paul Warfield, dumping Bernie Kosar, and being a complete arrogant, self-centered ass for most of his time in the nfl, firing coaches, losing seasons, .......well, yeah, he wasn't a ...bad owner.
But he doesn't belong in the HOF.
I see where you are going with that.... take away his moving the team. firing Paul Brown, trading Paul Warfield, dumping Bernie Kosar, and being a complete arrogant, self-centered ass for most of his time in the nfl, firing coaches, losing seasons, .......well, yeah, he wasn't a ...bad owner.
But he doesn't belong in the HOF.
FIFY?
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Along with Robert Kraft and others.
I, personally, don’t think Modell should be anywhere near the HOF. Not only did he fire Paul Brown and Bill Belichick, HE MOVED THE BROWNS. End of story
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/41832320/robert-kraft-25-contributors-hof-consideration
Along with Robert Kraft and others.
I, personally, don’t think Modell should be anywhere near the HOF. Not only did he fire Paul Brown and Bill Belichick, HE MOVED THE BROWNS. End of story
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/41832320/robert-kraft-25-contributors-hof-consideration
Browns were a better team in the Art Modell years though. This browns...well...not so much.
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Take way the emotion and Art deserves to be in the HOF. He did more for the league than most any other owner.
It's time to forgive and forget. Leave the petty emotions aside. He belongs in the HOF.
Take way the emotion and Art deserves to be in the HOF. He did more for the league than most any other owner.
It's time to forgive and forget. Leave the petty emotions aside. He belongs in the HOF.
With all due respect, hell no.
Fired Paul Brown, fired Bill Belichick, two of coaching 's all time greats. Right there, that's enough to disqualify him.
He was offered part of the Gateway Project, refused it. Declared a " moratorium" on the stadium issue, working through the backdoor to get out of town- total dishonesty there.
He & Georgia Frontierre voted to block expansion into Baltimore & St. Louis. Hmm, wonder why. Hence, the NFL puts teams in Carolina & Jacksonville. Those two owners pounced on the spurned expansion cities as soon as they could.
Those are "emotionless" facts.
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People care about the hall of fame?
I got free passes for running a marathon in Canton and was excited to take the family inside but it was a snooze fest, lasted maybe 20 minutes before we 'ran' out of there.
People care about the hall of fame?
I got free passes for running a marathon in Canton and was excited to take the family inside but it was a snooze fest, lasted maybe 20 minutes before we 'ran' out of there.
I don’t, particularly, care about the building. I have been there numerous times and it’s ok but a little boring. Kind of like the Rock Hall
I do care if that scumbag gets in though. He doesn’t deserve it at all. For all the reasons mentioned in this post. The biggest reason being. HE MOVED THE BROWNS.
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He definitely doesn't deserve to be honored, I was just making a point the HOF is stupid.
Next year most people won't even remember if he was ever inducted anyways.(except some Browns fans)
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He definitely doesn't deserve to be honored, I was just making a point the HOF is stupid.
Next year most people won't even remember if he was ever inducted anyways.(except some Browns fans)
He definitely doesn't deserve to be honored, I was just making a point the HOF is stupid.
Next year most people won't even remember if he was ever inducted anyways.(except some Browns fans)
Speaking of HOFs, watching Jim Brown and Leroy Kelly pushing Gene Hickerson's wheel chair up to the stage in Canton a few years into Alzheimer's Disease was a disgrace. The poor guy wasn't even capable of celebrating something his mind couldn't comprehend. He probably even had to be reminded who Jim Brown and Leroy Kelly were throughout that ceremony. Here's the thing, this 6 Time Pro Bowl performer played his last down in 1973. They didn't induct him until 34 years later in 2007? That's an honor many players dream about; and I think it stinks he was denied the ability to celebrate it when he had the mind to do so.
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He definitely doesn't deserve to be honored, I was just making a point the HOF is stupid.
Next year most people won't even remember if he was ever inducted anyways.(except some Browns fans)
He definitely doesn't deserve to be honored, I was just making a point the HOF is stupid.
Next year most people won't even remember if he was ever inducted anyways.(except some Browns fans)
You guys allow your emotions to rule your minds. None of that shit diminishes the things he did for the league and helped make it what it is today.
"he didn't win anything" bla bla bla
Joe Thomas didn't win anything either if we go by your thinking..
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
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