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  • @dutch-oven said:

    You think this team is going 6-4 the rest of the way? 

    On paper, I see them winning 2-3 more (saints and bengals maybe)

    But I could see them somehow managing to go 6-4 and tanking their draft position just because that seems like a Browns thing to happen.

    @bbedward said:

    On paper, I see them winning 2-3 more (saints and bengals maybe)

    But I could see them somehow managing to go 6-4 and tanking their draft position just because that seems like a Browns thing to happen.

    The stupidest part is that they still, on paper, have more than a chance to rattle off wins to get back into the postseason picture. Only two losses are from the AFC to include the Raiders who likely aren't serious contenders in H2H. Will that happen- absolutely the fuck not, but it's crazy to consider.

  • @dutch-oven said:

    Why? This team isn’t making the playoffs in a million years. Let DTR play, confirm that he’s nothing but a career backup, get as high a pick you can, rinse and repeat next season too. Eat those huge cap hits the next two seasons, start with a new slate in 2026. I know no one wants to hear this, but it’s what needs to happen.

    Don't worry - Jed Wills has our back.  Which means we can count on him to repeatedly not have his QB's back on the blind side. Practice makes perfect.

    Even if he makes a mistake and actually blocks someone for once - we can still count on others to false start, lineup wrong and make sure there's at least 2 guys in motion before and throughout the snap.

    They got it covered!

    @flugel said:

    Don't worry - Jed Wills has our back.  Which means we can count on him to repeatedly not have his QB's back on the blind side. Practice makes perfect.

    Even if he makes a mistake and actually blocks someone for once - we can still count on others to false start, lineup wrong and make sure there's at least 2 guys in motion before and throughout the snap.

    They got it covered!

    I was literally yelling at my tv multiple times “What the hells are you doing Wills?” last Sunday. 

  • @bbedward said:

    On paper, I see them winning 2-3 more (saints and bengals maybe)

    But I could see them somehow managing to go 6-4 and tanking their draft position just because that seems like a Browns thing to happen.

    The stupidest part is that they still, on paper, have more than a chance to rattle off wins to get back into the postseason picture. Only two losses are from the AFC to include the Raiders who likely aren't serious contenders in H2H. Will that happen- absolutely the fuck not, but it's crazy to consider.

    @jrb12711 said:

    The stupidest part is that they still, on paper, have more than a chance to rattle off wins to get back into the postseason picture. Only two losses are from the AFC to include the Raiders who likely aren't serious contenders in H2H. Will that happen- absolutely the fuck not, but it's crazy to consider.

    I'm not sure how you can see 2 more wins on paper.  The Saints and Broncos, which are both away games, may be our only hope.  We are sitting 15 our of 16 teams in the AFC.  We are only above the Patriots due to tie break over New England based on best win percentage in conference games.  

    I don't know what you're seeing that I'm not.

  • @flugel said:

    Don't worry - Jed Wills has our back.  Which means we can count on him to repeatedly not have his QB's back on the blind side. Practice makes perfect.

    Even if he makes a mistake and actually blocks someone for once - we can still count on others to false start, lineup wrong and make sure there's at least 2 guys in motion before and throughout the snap.

    They got it covered!

    I was literally yelling at my tv multiple times “What the hells are you doing Wills?” last Sunday. 

    @dutch-oven said:

    I was literally yelling at my tv multiple times “What the hells are you doing Wills?” last Sunday. 

    He's pretty good ain't he...

    I remember thinking when he was drafted, 'Hmm...there are some other Tackles that have higher ratings.'....but I figured that He Must Be pretty good anyway because he was highly rated.  

  • @dutch-oven said:

    I was literally yelling at my tv multiple times “What the hells are you doing Wills?” last Sunday. 

    He's pretty good ain't he...

    I remember thinking when he was drafted, 'Hmm...there are some other Tackles that have higher ratings.'....but I figured that He Must Be pretty good anyway because he was highly rated.  

    @orion said:

    He's pretty good ain't he...

    I remember thinking when he was drafted, 'Hmm...there are some other Tackles that have higher ratings.'....but I figured that He Must Be pretty good anyway because he was highly rated.  

    He had the tools to be fair, he’s just one of those dudes who wanted to collect the payday and party - with little interest in football. Think Wirfs outdid him in every metric at the combine, but our brain trust is just dumb and saw him as a guard or something.

  • @orion said:

    Not for nothin' but Zappe sucks.

    Blasphemy! ? I know but close enough.

    @texasag1969 said:

    Blasphemy! ? I know but close enough.

    Wow, one of my favorite Zappa tunes!!!

  • @jrb12711 said:

    The stupidest part is that they still, on paper, have more than a chance to rattle off wins to get back into the postseason picture. Only two losses are from the AFC to include the Raiders who likely aren't serious contenders in H2H. Will that happen- absolutely the fuck not, but it's crazy to consider.

    I'm not sure how you can see 2 more wins on paper.  The Saints and Broncos, which are both away games, may be our only hope.  We are sitting 15 our of 16 teams in the AFC.  We are only above the Patriots due to tie break over New England based on best win percentage in conference games.  

    I don't know what you're seeing that I'm not.

    @usfbrown said:

    I'm not sure how you can see 2 more wins on paper.  The Saints and Broncos, which are both away games, may be our only hope.  We are sitting 15 our of 16 teams in the AFC.  We are only above the Patriots due to tie break over New England based on best win percentage in conference games.  

    I don't know what you're seeing that I'm not.

    Denver? Uh, nope. They've quietly become average, unlike the Browns 

  • @dutch-oven said:

    You think this team is going 6-4 the rest of the way? 

    On paper, I see them winning 2-3 more (saints and bengals maybe)

    But I could see them somehow managing to go 6-4 and tanking their draft position just because that seems like a Browns thing to happen.

    @bbedward said:

    On paper, I see them winning 2-3 more (saints and bengals maybe)

    But I could see them somehow managing to go 6-4 and tanking their draft position just because that seems like a Browns thing to happen.

    We've started the season going the first seven games without scoring twenty points once.

    I'd walk down Euclid Avenue in a thong after the season ended if they even managed four more wins. 

  • @bbedward said:

    On paper, I see them winning 2-3 more (saints and bengals maybe)

    But I could see them somehow managing to go 6-4 and tanking their draft position just because that seems like a Browns thing to happen.

    We've started the season going the first seven games without scoring twenty points once.

    I'd walk down Euclid Avenue in a thong after the season ended if they even managed four more wins. 

    @dutch-oven said:

    We've started the season going the first seven games without scoring twenty points once.

    I'd walk down Euclid Avenue in a thong after the season ended if they even managed four more wins. 

    I guess I have a theory that with a semi decent QB this team is not as bad as they are on paper. Whether or not that’s true, we will see in the coming weeks. 

    Sure our OL sucks, but they graded pretty well this past week outside of Dunn and Wills, our receivers can’t catch (fire Chad o shea already Jesus Christ), but they’ve had separation and a lot of openings that Watson missed (by not throwing their way at all) or misfired (every time he did throw over 10 yards). We kinda said the same thing last year about the crap OL killing Flacco, and receivers being awful - then Flacco came in and spread the field. I think this team isn’t that different.

    I’ll eat my words if I’m wrong, but I kinda think the Winston part of the year will have a resurgence in overall team competence. His garbage time drive just reinforced my thoughts on the matter. 
     

    But I’m gonna hold you to the thong thing 

  • @dutch-oven said:

    We've started the season going the first seven games without scoring twenty points once.

    I'd walk down Euclid Avenue in a thong after the season ended if they even managed four more wins. 

    I guess I have a theory that with a semi decent QB this team is not as bad as they are on paper. Whether or not that’s true, we will see in the coming weeks. 

    Sure our OL sucks, but they graded pretty well this past week outside of Dunn and Wills, our receivers can’t catch (fire Chad o shea already Jesus Christ), but they’ve had separation and a lot of openings that Watson missed (by not throwing their way at all) or misfired (every time he did throw over 10 yards). We kinda said the same thing last year about the crap OL killing Flacco, and receivers being awful - then Flacco came in and spread the field. I think this team isn’t that different.

    I’ll eat my words if I’m wrong, but I kinda think the Winston part of the year will have a resurgence in overall team competence. His garbage time drive just reinforced my thoughts on the matter. 
     

    But I’m gonna hold you to the thong thing 

    @bbedward said:

    I guess I have a theory that with a semi decent QB this team is not as bad as they are on paper. Whether or not that’s true, we will see in the coming weeks. 

    Sure our OL sucks, but they graded pretty well this past week outside of Dunn and Wills, our receivers can’t catch (fire Chad o shea already Jesus Christ), but they’ve had separation and a lot of openings that Watson missed (by not throwing their way at all) or misfired (every time he did throw over 10 yards). We kinda said the same thing last year about the crap OL killing Flacco, and receivers being awful - then Flacco came in and spread the field. I think this team isn’t that different.

    I’ll eat my words if I’m wrong, but I kinda think the Winston part of the year will have a resurgence in overall team competence. His garbage time drive just reinforced my thoughts on the matter. 
     

    But I’m gonna hold you to the thong thing 

    2 bad is still 40% of your OL.  

     The open target rate is high, and Jeudy has been the biggest weapon not being used on that end. 

     The OL was so-so at spots last year but we ran a lot of 6 and 7 man protections to compensate with Joe under center.

      Worked well ... Until it didn't. 

  • We won't win 3 more games.

  • @dutch-oven said:

    We've started the season going the first seven games without scoring twenty points once.

    I'd walk down Euclid Avenue in a thong after the season ended if they even managed four more wins. 

    I guess I have a theory that with a semi decent QB this team is not as bad as they are on paper. Whether or not that’s true, we will see in the coming weeks. 

    Sure our OL sucks, but they graded pretty well this past week outside of Dunn and Wills, our receivers can’t catch (fire Chad o shea already Jesus Christ), but they’ve had separation and a lot of openings that Watson missed (by not throwing their way at all) or misfired (every time he did throw over 10 yards). We kinda said the same thing last year about the crap OL killing Flacco, and receivers being awful - then Flacco came in and spread the field. I think this team isn’t that different.

    I’ll eat my words if I’m wrong, but I kinda think the Winston part of the year will have a resurgence in overall team competence. His garbage time drive just reinforced my thoughts on the matter. 
     

    But I’m gonna hold you to the thong thing 

    @bbedward said:

    I guess I have a theory that with a semi decent QB this team is not as bad as they are on paper. Whether or not that’s true, we will see in the coming weeks. 

    Sure our OL sucks, but they graded pretty well this past week outside of Dunn and Wills, our receivers can’t catch (fire Chad o shea already Jesus Christ), but they’ve had separation and a lot of openings that Watson missed (by not throwing their way at all) or misfired (every time he did throw over 10 yards). We kinda said the same thing last year about the crap OL killing Flacco, and receivers being awful - then Flacco came in and spread the field. I think this team isn’t that different.

    I’ll eat my words if I’m wrong, but I kinda think the Winston part of the year will have a resurgence in overall team competence. His garbage time drive just reinforced my thoughts on the matter. 
     

    But I’m gonna hold you to the thong thing 

    You are right, we will see how this plays out.

    If Stefanski shifts back to his offense, there's a chance the offense gets more productive.

    But this season really, really reminds me of the 1990 Browns season. The 1989 Browns cobbled together an AFC Central division title and made it to the AFC Championship, losing AGAIN to the Denver Broncos. The next season the team absolutely imploded, specifically the OLine fell apart due to age, and the team limped to a 3-13 finish. 

    I'd be somewhat shocked if the Browns drafted outside the top 5. 

  • @bbedward said:

    I guess I have a theory that with a semi decent QB this team is not as bad as they are on paper. Whether or not that’s true, we will see in the coming weeks. 

    Sure our OL sucks, but they graded pretty well this past week outside of Dunn and Wills, our receivers can’t catch (fire Chad o shea already Jesus Christ), but they’ve had separation and a lot of openings that Watson missed (by not throwing their way at all) or misfired (every time he did throw over 10 yards). We kinda said the same thing last year about the crap OL killing Flacco, and receivers being awful - then Flacco came in and spread the field. I think this team isn’t that different.

    I’ll eat my words if I’m wrong, but I kinda think the Winston part of the year will have a resurgence in overall team competence. His garbage time drive just reinforced my thoughts on the matter. 
     

    But I’m gonna hold you to the thong thing 

    You are right, we will see how this plays out.

    If Stefanski shifts back to his offense, there's a chance the offense gets more productive.

    But this season really, really reminds me of the 1990 Browns season. The 1989 Browns cobbled together an AFC Central division title and made it to the AFC Championship, losing AGAIN to the Denver Broncos. The next season the team absolutely imploded, specifically the OLine fell apart due to age, and the team limped to a 3-13 finish. 

    I'd be somewhat shocked if the Browns drafted outside the top 5. 

    @dutch-oven said:

    I'd be somewhat shocked if the Browns drafted outside the top 2

    FIFY?

  • @ibleedbrown said:

    Looks like Winston gets the start next game.

    https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10140524-browns-rumors-jameis-winston-to-start-vs-ravens-over-dtr-amid-deshaun-watson-injury.amp.html

    Makes sense, especially if DTR hurt his hand during the Bengals game.

    Speaking of rumors, supposedly Elijah Moore sat half the game because he punched a teammate? 

  • @ibleedbrown said:

    Looks like Winston gets the start next game.

    https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10140524-browns-rumors-jameis-winston-to-start-vs-ravens-over-dtr-amid-deshaun-watson-injury.amp.html

    Makes sense, especially if DTR hurt his hand during the Bengals game.

    Speaking of rumors, supposedly Elijah Moore sat half the game because he punched a teammate? 

    @dutch-oven said:

    Makes sense, especially if DTR hurt his hand during the Bengals game.

    Speaking of rumors, supposedly Elijah Moore sat half the game because he punched a teammate? 

    On DTRs second INT, which was obviously completely his fault and a terrible throw, but before the throw Elijah was jogging his route and obviously let up before the ball was even thrown. His role on the play was to keep the safety engaged and deep and he made 0 attempt at all to do it.

    The WR room is in shambles big time, Cooper wanted out, Moore quitting routes, Jeudy supposedly bitching and moaning. 
     

    Chad O Shea is one guy they should have shit canned over AVP, not nearly enough from the WR room in terms of young talent development or anything else 

  • @dutch-oven said:

    Makes sense, especially if DTR hurt his hand during the Bengals game.

    Speaking of rumors, supposedly Elijah Moore sat half the game because he punched a teammate? 

    On DTRs second INT, which was obviously completely his fault and a terrible throw, but before the throw Elijah was jogging his route and obviously let up before the ball was even thrown. His role on the play was to keep the safety engaged and deep and he made 0 attempt at all to do it.

    The WR room is in shambles big time, Cooper wanted out, Moore quitting routes, Jeudy supposedly bitching and moaning. 
     

    Chad O Shea is one guy they should have shit canned over AVP, not nearly enough from the WR room in terms of young talent development or anything else 

    @bbedward said:

    On DTRs second INT, which was obviously completely his fault and a terrible throw, but before the throw Elijah was jogging his route and obviously let up before the ball was even thrown. His role on the play was to keep the safety engaged and deep and he made 0 attempt at all to do it.

    The WR room is in shambles big time, Cooper wanted out, Moore quitting routes, Jeudy supposedly bitching and moaning. 
     

    Chad O Shea is one guy they should have shit canned over AVP, not nearly enough from the WR room in terms of young talent development or anything else 

    Watson is gone, so they should just scrap this abortion of an attempt to run the RPO and go back to Stefanski’s offense. 

  • @bbedward said:

    On paper, I see them winning 2-3 more (saints and bengals maybe)

    But I could see them somehow managing to go 6-4 and tanking their draft position just because that seems like a Browns thing to happen.

    We've started the season going the first seven games without scoring twenty points once.

    I'd walk down Euclid Avenue in a thong after the season ended if they even managed four more wins. 

    @dutch-oven said:

    I'd walk down Euclid Avenue in a thong after the season ended if they even managed four more wins. 

    Oh please, oh please God...don't let them win four games!

    8    Oct 27, 2024   vs   Baltimore    
    9    Nov 3, 2024    vs  L.A. Chargers        
    10    —  BYE   
    11    Nov 17, 2024    @   New Orleans
    12    Nov 21, 2024    vs  Pittsburgh  8:15 pm
    13    Dec 2, 2024    @   Denver   8:15 pm
    14    Dec 8, 2024    @  Pittsburgh
    15    Dec 15, 2024    vs  Kansas City
    16    Dec 19, 2024   @  Cincinnati  8:15 pm
    17    Dec 29, 2024   vs   Miami  8:20 pm
    18    Jan 5, 2025      @  Baltimore

    .........Looks like 3 possible wins.  Chargers, Saints & Dolphins.  Denver is another game they could win.  It's in Denver, at night, in the thin air.  But they've got lots of time to prepare for that game so they could, in theory, travel up to Denver early to get acclimated to the air.

    Lastly, it's the season's finale.  So...Here's the scenario...If the Browns lose they're assured of the #1 pick in the draft.  The Ravens have the #2 seed locked up and will not be playing Lamar Jackson and several other starters.   The reality here is that this is a VERY important game for ONE of the teams.  And the importance is for the one team to lose to the other team that's playing backup players and resting starters ahead of a playoff game.   Such a game would have the potential to get morally ugly.  
     

  • I am going to that Denver game on MNF. Look for the open black leather jacket with #95 Browns jersey underneath and field glasses. I'll have a maroon A&M cap on.?

  • All good points. I just want one good decision out of the front office. Start with some new leather look helmets like Illinois sported Saturday. Those are badass!