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  • @dutch-oven said:

     I always really try to temper my OSU homerism when doing mock drafts, etc...

    But sweet 8lb, 6oz baby Jesus, the amount of Ohio State players this year that I would love the Browns to draft is staggering. I totally forgot about McLaughlin, he'd be a great interior OLineman along with Donovan Jackson... And of course Josh Simmons at LT. 

    There's the entire Buckeyes DLine, I love me some Cody Simon at LB, both RBs Henderson and Judkins, safety Lathan Ransom and CB Denzel Burke and WR Emeka Ebuka. 

    No Homer, you'd be better with Michigan's DL

    @mld-woody said:

    No Homer, you'd be better with Michigan's DL

    I'd have no problem with TTUNs DLine prospects either... I said recently that I'd be fine if all of the Browns picks were from Ohio State, Penn State and TTUN. 

  • Position of need= Throw darts at the depth chart

  • Man, this really spells out Best Player Available throughout the draft. Virtually every group is a definitive need. 

    @dutch-oven said:

    Man, this really spells out Best Player Available throughout the draft. Virtually every group is a definitive need. 

    If you are only a player or so away from a realistic SB shot, then you can think about positional needs. Other than that, accumulating as many stud players as you can has to be the goal. You can never have too many good players.

  • Position of need= Throw darts at the depth chart

    @marvin-the-martian said:

    Position of need= Throw darts at the depth chart

    Well said!  ??

  • @dutch-oven said:

     I always really try to temper my OSU homerism when doing mock drafts, etc...

    But sweet 8lb, 6oz baby Jesus, the amount of Ohio State players this year that I would love the Browns to draft is staggering. I totally forgot about McLaughlin, he'd be a great interior OLineman along with Donovan Jackson... And of course Josh Simmons at LT. 

    There's the entire Buckeyes DLine, I love me some Cody Simon at LB, both RBs Henderson and Judkins, safety Lathan Ransom and CB Denzel Burke and WR Emeka Ebuka. 

    No Homer, you'd be better with Michigan's DL

    @mld-woody said:

    No Homer, you'd be better with Michigan's DL

    IDL yes; but that team didn't lose 5 games by accident. I like the edges of Ohio State's Defense  better. FWIW, Ohio State had a good enough interior to be a team hardly anyone could score TDs against after achieving 1st and goal.  

    I'm a big fan of Ma son Graham.  If you look close enough - he's got my chins...

  • The Steelers are not bringing back DangerRuss. 

    https://athlonsports.com/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers/free-agency-pittsburgh-steelers-signing-quarterback-russell-wilson-decision-leaked-by-insider-jay-glazer-rumor

    I've had this thought for a few weeks. But this is something the Browns should pursue.  It's the intersectionality of low cost, contract length and personnel - scheme fit that would do well. 

  • The Steelers are not bringing back DangerRuss. 

    https://athlonsports.com/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers/free-agency-pittsburgh-steelers-signing-quarterback-russell-wilson-decision-leaked-by-insider-jay-glazer-rumor

    I've had this thought for a few weeks. But this is something the Browns should pursue.  It's the intersectionality of low cost, contract length and personnel - scheme fit that would do well. 

    @tiamat63 said:

    The Steelers are not bringing back DangerRuss. 

    https://athlonsports.com/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers/free-agency-pittsburgh-steelers-signing-quarterback-russell-wilson-decision-leaked-by-insider-jay-glazer-rumor

    I've had this thought for a few weeks. But this is something the Browns should pursue.  It's the intersectionality of low cost, contract length and personnel - scheme fit that would do well. 

    Wilson in the Stefanski offense isn’t the worst idea 

  • @tiamat63 said:

    The Steelers are not bringing back DangerRuss. 

    https://athlonsports.com/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers/free-agency-pittsburgh-steelers-signing-quarterback-russell-wilson-decision-leaked-by-insider-jay-glazer-rumor

    I've had this thought for a few weeks. But this is something the Browns should pursue.  It's the intersectionality of low cost, contract length and personnel - scheme fit that would do well. 

    Wilson in the Stefanski offense isn’t the worst idea 

    @dutch-oven said:

    Wilson in the Stefanski offense isn’t the worst idea 

    It's as close to Seattle as he can get unless he goes to play for Pete in Vegas. 

    Mobile QB, under center in an outside zone?  You wanted us back to running Stefs offense, this is a good start. 

    He'll be inexpensive, easy to drop, can help show a rookie how to prep and play like a pro. Insures we don't have to start said rookie too quickly.     Yes, he's corny and dorky. But his teammates like him, you don't hear anything bad about him off the field or in the community.    I think it would be foolish to not at least kick the tires and see how he would feel on the fit.   

    I'd rather him than Kirk, who is a strong breeze from being on one leg. 

  • I wish I knew what the team's plan for Watson really is.   I mean, are they going to keep him on the roster for financial reasons, give him the title of backup QB, and make him carry equipment on and off the field?  Or sever ties completely and open up the whole QB room.  Or, God forbid, pretend he'll come back from the injury and work his way back to the starting role.  

    I'm looking for a scenario where we can swipe that Joe Milton kid from the Patriots.

  • I wish I knew what the team's plan for Watson really is.   I mean, are they going to keep him on the roster for financial reasons, give him the title of backup QB, and make him carry equipment on and off the field?  Or sever ties completely and open up the whole QB room.  Or, God forbid, pretend he'll come back from the injury and work his way back to the starting role.  

    I'm looking for a scenario where we can swipe that Joe Milton kid from the Patriots.

    @orion said:

    I wish I knew what the team's plan for Watson really is.   I mean, are they going to keep him on the roster for financial reasons, give him the title of backup QB, and make him carry equipment on and off the field?  Or sever ties completely and open up the whole QB room.  Or, God forbid, pretend he'll come back from the injury and work his way back to the starting role.  

    I'm looking for a scenario where we can swipe that Joe Milton kid from the Patriots.

    I think he’ll be placed on the IR List for all of 2025.

  • @orion said:

    I wish I knew what the team's plan for Watson really is.   I mean, are they going to keep him on the roster for financial reasons, give him the title of backup QB, and make him carry equipment on and off the field?  Or sever ties completely and open up the whole QB room.  Or, God forbid, pretend he'll come back from the injury and work his way back to the starting role.  

    I'm looking for a scenario where we can swipe that Joe Milton kid from the Patriots.

    I think he’ll be placed on the IR List for all of 2025.

    @dutch-oven said:

    I think he’ll be placed on the IR List for all of 2025.

    That's a plan.  

    Can he still be made to carry equipment on and off the field if he's on IR?  🙂  If halfway through the season he starts saying that he's feeling fine, do we have to pull a Monty Python on him and bonk him on the head?  Or can we keep him on IR at will?

  • @dutch-oven said:

    I think he’ll be placed on the IR List for all of 2025.

    That's a plan.  

    Can he still be made to carry equipment on and off the field if he's on IR?  🙂  If halfway through the season he starts saying that he's feeling fine, do we have to pull a Monty Python on him and bonk him on the head?  Or can we keep him on IR at will?

    @orion said:

    can we keep him on IR at will?

    🙂  This part was an actual serious question?  Can we just stash him on IR 'cause we heel like it?

  • @orion said:

    can we keep him on IR at will?

    🙂  This part was an actual serious question?  Can we just stash him on IR 'cause we heel like it?

    @orion said:

    🙂  This part was an actual serious question?  Can we just stash him on IR 'cause we heel like it?

    I don't know, and for 2025 I don't think it will matter.

    He had surgery again on the Achilles within the last month. It takes 9-12 months to recover. 

  • I hope the Browns really focus on the OLine and getting some young talent into the RB room this off-season, and get a veteran QB to run Stefanski's offense. I'm fine with either Wilson or Cousins.

    On defense, focus on the front seven. Get strong along the line of scrimmage. 

    Get the "fun" players in 2026. 

  • @orion said:

    🙂  This part was an actual serious question?  Can we just stash him on IR 'cause we heel like it?

    I don't know, and for 2025 I don't think it will matter.

    He had surgery again on the Achilles within the last month. It takes 9-12 months to recover. 

    @dutch-oven said:

    I don't know, and for 2025 I don't think it will matter.

    He had surgery again on the Achilles within the last month. It takes 9-12 months to recover. 

    So that would mean that he'd be on IR.  Stashing him on IR keeps the roster free of him taking a spot.  

  • @dutch-oven said:

    I don't know, and for 2025 I don't think it will matter.

    He had surgery again on the Achilles within the last month. It takes 9-12 months to recover. 

    So that would mean that he'd be on IR.  Stashing him on IR keeps the roster free of him taking a spot.  

    @orion said:

    So that would mean that he'd be on IR.  Stashing him on IR keeps the roster free of him taking a spot.  

    It might also help regarding his cap hit? I don't know, cap numbers and how the cap works is not something I know much about and it's a little too "inside baseball" for me to try and figure out. I thought I read something about how if he misses the whole season the Browns get cap relief. 

  • ...well...let's put it this way...we probably don't need a Punter.  

    QB -  We should view the position as having an empty room.

    RB -  This will be a position in transition.  I've certainly seen enough of Pierre NotSoStrong and Fumbling Foreman.  Ford will be here and Chubb deserves a shot.

    TE -  Need someone besides Njoku that can block and catch.

    WR - Could use a little help.  That Travis Hunter kid could be some help........enough help?  

    OL - IMO, every position group could use help.  LT being at the top of that list.

    DL - DT & DE, 1 ea.

    LB - Yes, How many?  Is JOK going to play anymore?   (hoping he's doing ok...football or no football)

    S  - Yes, very weak position.

    CB - Yes.  We have Ward, and then some high picks that aren't playing to high levels.  That Travis Hunter kid could help here.

    K - Yes.  Apparently the Chargers knew what they were doing when they replaced him.

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    QB is the highest priority whenever you don't have one.  It's just that simple.  Having said that, if you don't value either of the top 2 QB's in the draft.....that Travis Hunter kid possibly checks two boxes for ya.  

    @orion said:

    ...well...let's put it this way...we probably don't need a Punter.  

    QB -  We should view the position as having an empty room.

    RB -  This will be a position in transition.  I've certainly seen enough of Pierre NotSoStrong and Fumbling Foreman.  Ford will be here and Chubb deserves a shot.

    TE -  Need someone besides Njoku that can block and catch.

    WR - Could use a little help.  That Travis Hunter kid could be some help........enough help?  

    OL - IMO, every position group could use help.  LT being at the top of that list.

    DL - DT & DE, 1 ea.

    LB - Yes, How many?  Is JOK going to play anymore?   (hoping he's doing ok...football or no football)

    S  - Yes, very weak position.

    CB - Yes.  We have Ward, and then some high picks that aren't playing to high levels.  That Travis Hunter kid could help here.

    K - Yes.  Apparently the Chargers knew what they were doing when they replaced him.

    -------------

    QB is the highest priority whenever you don't have one.  It's just that simple.  Having said that, if you don't value either of the top 2 QB's in the draft.....that Travis Hunter kid possibly checks two boxes for ya.  

    Crazy how well the 2 Harvard grads Berry and DePodesta  have drafted for the Browns

  • @orion said:

    ...well...let's put it this way...we probably don't need a Punter.  

    QB -  We should view the position as having an empty room.

    RB -  This will be a position in transition.  I've certainly seen enough of Pierre NotSoStrong and Fumbling Foreman.  Ford will be here and Chubb deserves a shot.

    TE -  Need someone besides Njoku that can block and catch.

    WR - Could use a little help.  That Travis Hunter kid could be some help........enough help?  

    OL - IMO, every position group could use help.  LT being at the top of that list.

    DL - DT & DE, 1 ea.

    LB - Yes, How many?  Is JOK going to play anymore?   (hoping he's doing ok...football or no football)

    S  - Yes, very weak position.

    CB - Yes.  We have Ward, and then some high picks that aren't playing to high levels.  That Travis Hunter kid could help here.

    K - Yes.  Apparently the Chargers knew what they were doing when they replaced him.

    -------------

    QB is the highest priority whenever you don't have one.  It's just that simple.  Having said that, if you don't value either of the top 2 QB's in the draft.....that Travis Hunter kid possibly checks two boxes for ya.  

    Crazy how well the 2 Harvard grads Berry and DePodesta  have drafted for the Browns

    @richiswhere said:

    Crazy how well the 2 Harvard grads Berry and DePodesta  have drafted for the Browns

    Yeah huh?!  Apparently, NFL caliber talent evaluation isn't part of any curriculum there.  

  • Dutch's Hot Take O' The Day:

    John Dorsey's two drafts here in Cleveland were overall pretty mediocre, especially if you consider how well he was set up in 2018. 

  • The Steelers are not bringing back DangerRuss. 

    https://athlonsports.com/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers/free-agency-pittsburgh-steelers-signing-quarterback-russell-wilson-decision-leaked-by-insider-jay-glazer-rumor

    I've had this thought for a few weeks. But this is something the Browns should pursue.  It's the intersectionality of low cost, contract length and personnel - scheme fit that would do well. 

    @tiamat63 said:

    The Steelers are not bringing back DangerRuss. 

    https://athlonsports.com/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers/free-agency-pittsburgh-steelers-signing-quarterback-russell-wilson-decision-leaked-by-insider-jay-glazer-rumor

    I've had this thought for a few weeks. But this is something the Browns should pursue.  It's the intersectionality of low cost, contract length and personnel - scheme fit that would do well. 

    I wouldn't have a problem with that, not that my opinion carries any weight.

    But I agree.  As Russ has aged, his game has had to change.  He very well could be suited to being a pretty solid trigger man in a Stefanski O. Stefanskis O is pretty QB friendly.  The big key is Stefanski needs to have a fairly experienced QB who understands his limitations and buys in to the plan.

    In terms of us slugs on the board, we reach a point in age where if we are prowling the town bars we have to realize we aren't going to go home with a hot 24 year old.  If we learn to stay inside the parameters of our ability, there are a lot of hot 44 year olds out there.