Thoughts on Matt Stafford Coming to the Browns?
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10% chance. 90% chance his performance would decline if that 10% came true
10% chance. 90% chance his performance would decline if that 10% came true
If one looks through his career stats one sees that as the team surrounding him improved, his completion pct and QB rating improved. On a decent team he's gonna have a 66, 67 ish completion pct. It'd be awesome if we could get 2 out of 3 passes completed.
But we can't afford him, and he'd have to be nuts to come to the QB graveyard while he still has value as a SB winning QB. I think we'd be more in the Geno Smith ballpark of QB's.
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It'd be nice to have him, but I don't see any path for Stafford coming to the Browns. Sure, kick the tires but that's about it.
Stafford's under contract, what could we offer in a trade? Stafford is 37 and still has a few more years left in him, but I wouldn't sell the farm to get him. I'd only do that if QB was the only thing we needed for a Super Bowl and we are far from that right now. Plus, Stafford reportedly wants a new contract for more money, which we can't offer unless the Rams took Deshaun's contract back in a trade.
The Rams made it to the playoffs and won a playoff game with Stafford this year, I don't see why the Rams would get rid of him. They gave the Eagles their toughest game in the playoffs. Get him some more weapons and run it back if I'm the Rams.
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That’s a big price tag for a guy who would be bridge QB. This team should be built for the move to Brookpark, when Stafford would probably be retired
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That’s a big price tag for a guy who would be bridge QB. This team should be built for the move to Brookpark, when Stafford would probably be retired
That’s a big price tag for a guy who would be bridge QB. This team should be built for the move to Brookpark, when Stafford would probably be retired
It should be until we factor in the FO that caused the current rebuild has tenure. The time to fire and hire the upgrade should be BEFORE a draft that mercifully extends this team draft slots near the top of every round. Right now, an owner with tunnel vision on Brookpark remains distracted from knowing who the potential FO upgrades are in his business. If Berry messes this draft up - of course we'll be very annoyed with him. Having said that, 100% of the blame would fall on Jimmy.
Right now Brookpark sounds more like an untapped sitcom awaiting a clever author with an ideal sense of humor.
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That’s a big price tag for a guy who would be bridge QB. This team should be built for the move to Brookpark, when Stafford would probably be retired
It should be until we factor in the FO that caused the current rebuild has tenure. The time to fire and hire the upgrade should be BEFORE a draft that mercifully extends this team draft slots near the top of every round. Right now, an owner with tunnel vision on Brookpark remains distracted from knowing who the potential FO upgrades are in his business. If Berry messes this draft up - of course we'll be very annoyed with him. Having said that, 100% of the blame would fall on Jimmy.
Right now Brookpark sounds more like an untapped sitcom awaiting a clever author with an ideal sense of humor.
It should be until we factor in the FO that caused the current rebuild has tenure. The time to fire and hire the upgrade should be BEFORE a draft that mercifully extends this team draft slots near the top of every round. Right now, an owner with tunnel vision on Brookpark remains distracted from knowing who the potential FO upgrades are in his business. If Berry messes this draft up - of course we'll be very annoyed with him. Having said that, 100% of the blame would fall on Jimmy.
Right now Brookpark sounds more like an untapped sitcom awaiting a clever author with an ideal sense of humor.
Part of me thinks they should have just cleaned house and started the full rebuild now, the other part of me wonders who would volunteer to come in right now and do the grunt work. A really talented young upcomer at GM and/or head coach might pass on having to go to a team that has to pretty much start at the ground floor. Experienced guys probably wouldn’t even consider it.
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It should be until we factor in the FO that caused the current rebuild has tenure. The time to fire and hire the upgrade should be BEFORE a draft that mercifully extends this team draft slots near the top of every round. Right now, an owner with tunnel vision on Brookpark remains distracted from knowing who the potential FO upgrades are in his business. If Berry messes this draft up - of course we'll be very annoyed with him. Having said that, 100% of the blame would fall on Jimmy.
Right now Brookpark sounds more like an untapped sitcom awaiting a clever author with an ideal sense of humor.
Part of me thinks they should have just cleaned house and started the full rebuild now, the other part of me wonders who would volunteer to come in right now and do the grunt work. A really talented young upcomer at GM and/or head coach might pass on having to go to a team that has to pretty much start at the ground floor. Experienced guys probably wouldn’t even consider it.
Part of me thinks they should have just cleaned house and started the full rebuild now, the other part of me wonders who would volunteer to come in right now and do the grunt work. A really talented young upcomer at GM and/or head coach might pass on having to go to a team that has to pretty much start at the ground floor. Experienced guys probably wouldn’t even consider it.
I think that a major deterrent to coming to Cleveland might be having to interview with DePodesta. If he were a part of the 'cleaned house' then it might be a little more appealing (tolerable?) to come here.
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Part of me thinks they should have just cleaned house and started the full rebuild now, the other part of me wonders who would volunteer to come in right now and do the grunt work. A really talented young upcomer at GM and/or head coach might pass on having to go to a team that has to pretty much start at the ground floor. Experienced guys probably wouldn’t even consider it.
I think that a major deterrent to coming to Cleveland might be having to interview with DePodesta. If he were a part of the 'cleaned house' then it might be a little more appealing (tolerable?) to come here.
I think that a major deterrent to coming to Cleveland might be having to interview with DePodesta. If he were a part of the 'cleaned house' then it might be a little more appealing (tolerable?) to come here.
31 other teams are probably laughing their asses off at the combines still seeing Berry & DePodesta still in charge of "The Dumpster Fire." This is a sequel that beats the crap out of Rocky.
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LA Rams have their QB and LT situation all set before free agency and the draft. LT Alaric Jackson signed a 3 year contract for 57 million $ which prevented him from hitting the free agent market (where there were rumors a lot of teams were interested). They GET it. Now they can draft to compete for a Super Bowl. That's what smart owners and FOs do.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
LA Rams have their QB and LT situation all set before free agency and the draft. LT Alaric Jackson signed a 3 year contract for 57 million $ which prevented him from hitting the free agent market (where there were rumors a lot of teams were interested). They GET it. Now they can draft to compete for a Super Bowl. That's what smart owners and FOs do.
That's what smart owners and FOs do.
Wouldn’t it be nice if the Browns had that too?
Since I started this thread, I thought it seemed appropriate to put this here. ?
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LA Rams have their QB and LT situation all set before free agency and the draft. LT Alaric Jackson signed a 3 year contract for 57 million $ which prevented him from hitting the free agent market (where there were rumors a lot of teams were interested). They GET it. Now they can draft to compete for a Super Bowl. That's what smart owners and FOs do.
LA Rams have their QB and LT situation all set before free agency and the draft. LT Alaric Jackson signed a 3 year contract for 57 million $ which prevented him from hitting the free agent market (where there were rumors a lot of teams were interested). They GET it. Now they can draft to compete for a Super Bowl. That's what smart owners and FOs do.
But would that smart FO do that with Wills? And our other 2 top OT's are always getting hurt. Plus Bitonio might retire. Our OL needs a major overhaul. - Zinter needs to be a good player
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LA Rams have their QB and LT situation all set before free agency and the draft. LT Alaric Jackson signed a 3 year contract for 57 million $ which prevented him from hitting the free agent market (where there were rumors a lot of teams were interested). They GET it. Now they can draft to compete for a Super Bowl. That's what smart owners and FOs do.
But would that smart FO do that with Wills? And our other 2 top OT's are always getting hurt. Plus Bitonio might retire. Our OL needs a major overhaul. - Zinter needs to be a good player
But would that smart FO do that with Wills? And our other 2 top OT's are always getting hurt. Plus Bitonio might retire. Our OL needs a major overhaul. - Zinter needs to be a good player
How many more horrible investments do you want to list before you get how bad this FO really is? Are we going to wait until Dawand Jones shows up way overweight and out of shape a 3rd time before someone we're counting on realizes this guy isn't prioritizing his football career? Playing pretend with all this ain't gonna help us.
Regarding the Rams, before they resigned this LT's work ethic they had a longtime veteran LT Andrew Whitworth with a great work ethic. They know how to win.
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But would that smart FO do that with Wills? And our other 2 top OT's are always getting hurt. Plus Bitonio might retire. Our OL needs a major overhaul. - Zinter needs to be a good player
How many more horrible investments do you want to list before you get how bad this FO really is? Are we going to wait until Dawand Jones shows up way overweight and out of shape a 3rd time before someone we're counting on realizes this guy isn't prioritizing his football career? Playing pretend with all this ain't gonna help us.
Regarding the Rams, before they resigned this LT's work ethic they had a longtime veteran LT Andrew Whitworth with a great work ethic. They know how to win.
How many more horrible investments do you want to list before you get how bad this FO really is?
I hear ya. But it's what we've got to work with right now. Berry certainly sounds smart. Perhaps he got an honorary degree from Harvard.
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I hear ya. But it's what we've got to work with right now. Berry certainly sounds smart. Perhaps he got an honorary degree from Harvard.
? Well played.
Do you agree people can be very smart at some things and not others? I think we both know how much each other wants this team to win. I just need him to ace the draft like it's another one of those Harvard exams he used to ace. Not only that, he worked under Howie Roseman in Philly. There's no getting around this - we need a big draft from Berry. The good news is the Browns are drafting near the top of every round.
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I hear ya. But it's what we've got to work with right now. Berry certainly sounds smart. Perhaps he got an honorary degree from Harvard.
? Well played.
Do you agree people can be very smart at some things and not others? I think we both know how much each other wants this team to win. I just need him to ace the draft like it's another one of those Harvard exams he used to ace. Not only that, he worked under Howie Roseman in Philly. There's no getting around this - we need a big draft from Berry. The good news is the Browns are drafting near the top of every round.
Do you agree people can be very smart at some things and not others?
Ya only know what ya know. I'm pretty sure that Berry wasn't enrolled in Football Player Evaluation 101.
I remember the last time that we had the #2 pick in the draft and needed a QB. I wanted Jared Goff. Our guys didn't like the 2 QB's (Goff & Wentz). DePodesta came right out and said that they didn't think they were all that good. Well, the Rams traded up to #1 and drafted Goff. And I remember saying, The Rams traded all the way up to #1 to draft a QB because they WANT to win! Well, DePo and the Browns were half right. Wentz wasn't all that good. And here we are again. The #2 pick and needing a QB...and people saying that neither QB is all that good. As Yogi Berra would say, It's Dejavu all over again.
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Do you agree people can be very smart at some things and not others?
Ya only know what ya know. I'm pretty sure that Berry wasn't enrolled in Football Player Evaluation 101.
I remember the last time that we had the #2 pick in the draft and needed a QB. I wanted Jared Goff. Our guys didn't like the 2 QB's (Goff & Wentz). DePodesta came right out and said that they didn't think they were all that good. Well, the Rams traded up to #1 and drafted Goff. And I remember saying, The Rams traded all the way up to #1 to draft a QB because they WANT to win! Well, DePo and the Browns were half right. Wentz wasn't all that good. And here we are again. The #2 pick and needing a QB...and people saying that neither QB is all that good. As Yogi Berra would say, It's Dejavu all over again.
Ya only know what ya know. I'm pretty sure that Berry wasn't enrolled in Football Player Evaluation 101.
I remember the last time that we had the #2 pick in the draft and needed a QB. I wanted Jared Goff. Our guys didn't like the 2 QB's (Goff & Wentz). DePodesta came right out and said that they didn't think they were all that good. Well, the Rams traded up to #1 and drafted Goff. And I remember saying, The Rams traded all the way up to #1 to draft a QB because they WANT to win! Well, DePo and the Browns were half right. Wentz wasn't all that good. And here we are again. The #2 pick and needing a QB...and people saying that neither QB is all that good. As Yogi Berra would say, It's Dejavu all over again.
Good summary. Teams are only as good as the guy(s) putting them together. As far as Sanders & Ward go, I barely watched either of their teams play last year. I get the feeling both guys can succeed based on their accuracy and TD:INT ratio. Both guys improved their football programs' winning percentage last year. Now they're entering poker season where team hoping they can get one to drop to their draft slot might suddenly have a volunteer to be an un-named source/scout making up false information about one or both of the guys. Meanwhile, it's also nit-pick season.
Jared Goff is a very good QB today; and I doubt he's going to wake up a terrible QB any time soon. Young QBs, all QBs, need play makers to tap what's possible. Baker with Mike Evans + Pro Bowl LT = over 40 TD passes. Baker without him bounced from the Browns to the Panthers to the Rams in a very short span. DePodesta doesn't have the understanding in football that he has with baseball. Football requires viewing film - but he clearly prefers spreadsheets. For example, some guys that have high tackle volumes are often game plan bullseyes where the location of many of their tackles aren't at/near the point of attack. Remember Wali Rainer? Jacob Phillips was a guy they liked because of his tackle volume at LSU - but did they ever watch the film of this guy? Doesn't look like it. Last year, @tiamat63 and I watched a LBer from Texas that looked better on paper than he did on film in some videos we broke down. Gotta see the film to identify WHY he's a need/necessary for this team even with the fitness champs at the combine. At least with Schwartz here - I'm guessing he'll be looking at film of guys they're interested in and encouraging that from others. Okay, maybe I'm just wishful thinking...
Aside from QB, there's glaring needs at LT, Safety, Corner, RB, LB. In addition, if Bitonio retires - add LG. If Myles gets traded - add edge rush. McGuire and Okoronkwo are some young guys that have showed promise at DE. Schwartz seems to be more confident in them than Alex Wright. While Kicker is a need - NE didn't need to draft Adam Vinatieri who was as good as it gets. His second team didn't need to draft a kicker either. It was kind of nice not to have WR as a pressing need. That said, the talent of Travis Hunter and the ability to play WR or CB or maybe a lot of 1 of those with certain packages/situations at the other.
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