2025 Mock Draft from Athlon Sports NFL Draft Preview...
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He is an average processor of defensive information both pre and post snap with little to no year over year improvement. That is his 1st, 2nd and 3rd issue. A pro day is only going to mask that giant red flag.
Sure, but a pro day is where you go to see the passing talent that the QB possess, to see them run, and stuff.....and to talk to him. QB's don't like to throw at the combine because they're involved with receivers that they're not used to throwing to....which can make them look less than stellar.
Sure, but a pro day is where you go to see the passing talent that the QB possess, to see them run, and stuff.....and to talk to him. QB's don't like to throw at the combine because they're involved with receivers that they're not used to throwing to....which can make them look less than stellar.
Pro days are where you go to be handed an inflated sense of what amounts to the football version of a beauty pageant.
Passing against air isn't QB'ing, it's an athlete exercising. Passing talent and processing ability go hand in hand. They are forever inseparable.
Wool doesn't belong over eyes.
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Sure, but a pro day is where you go to see the passing talent that the QB possess, to see them run, and stuff.....and to talk to him. QB's don't like to throw at the combine because they're involved with receivers that they're not used to throwing to....which can make them look less than stellar.
Pro days are where you go to be handed an inflated sense of what amounts to the football version of a beauty pageant.
Passing against air isn't QB'ing, it's an athlete exercising. Passing talent and processing ability go hand in hand. They are forever inseparable.
Wool doesn't belong over eyes.
Pro days are where you go to be handed an inflated sense of what amounts to the football version of a beauty pageant.
Passing against air isn't QB'ing, it's an athlete exercising. Passing talent and processing ability go hand in hand. They are forever inseparable.
Wool doesn't belong over eyes.
Are you suggesting that, if your team needs a QB, and is probably going to draft one of the higher rated QB's, then going to a Pro Day is pulling wool over your eyes?
Me, I see it differently. I'd want my guys at the Pro Day of every QB that we're considering drafting. I don't care that the pass routes are scripted. Because that's what NFL teams do all season long. The QB's and receivers work on pass routes and timing. The difference is that Pro Days don't have a period of time where a DB is trying to cover the receiver to some degree...like is done in TC and practice.
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Pro days are where you go to be handed an inflated sense of what amounts to the football version of a beauty pageant.
Passing against air isn't QB'ing, it's an athlete exercising. Passing talent and processing ability go hand in hand. They are forever inseparable.
Wool doesn't belong over eyes.
Are you suggesting that, if your team needs a QB, and is probably going to draft one of the higher rated QB's, then going to a Pro Day is pulling wool over your eyes?
Me, I see it differently. I'd want my guys at the Pro Day of every QB that we're considering drafting. I don't care that the pass routes are scripted. Because that's what NFL teams do all season long. The QB's and receivers work on pass routes and timing. The difference is that Pro Days don't have a period of time where a DB is trying to cover the receiver to some degree...like is done in TC and practice.
Are you suggesting that, if your team needs a QB, and is probably going to draft one of the higher rated QB's, then going to a Pro Day is pulling wool over your eyes?
I believe that type of environment, painting a bed of roses, has convinced many a NFL front offices to pull the trigger on QB's that had no business taking as high as they did.
Is it good for interviews? Probably.
To speak to the medical team and to clear the bill of health? Yessir.
To see what physical and mechanics improvements might have been made since seasons end? I suppose.
To gauge QB play from the course of a career into how it projects at the NFL level? Absolutely not.
Because you end up getting obsessed with QB's completing timing throws to receivers they know without any variables that would actually include a QB's live-game passes.
Want to impress me? Script a pro day against the scout or walk-on team with certain rules (no pressures beyond 4, 3pt stances, certain motion shifts and coverage shells) Then tell said scout team it's for scholarships. I'd rather see a QB complete 70% against bodies than 95% against air. Even if it's training camp type light. You get a better understanding of the quality of QB you're getting but also the quality of competitor.
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Are you suggesting that, if your team needs a QB, and is probably going to draft one of the higher rated QB's, then going to a Pro Day is pulling wool over your eyes?
I believe that type of environment, painting a bed of roses, has convinced many a NFL front offices to pull the trigger on QB's that had no business taking as high as they did.
Is it good for interviews? Probably.
To speak to the medical team and to clear the bill of health? Yessir.
To see what physical and mechanics improvements might have been made since seasons end? I suppose.
To gauge QB play from the course of a career into how it projects at the NFL level? Absolutely not.
Because you end up getting obsessed with QB's completing timing throws to receivers they know without any variables that would actually include a QB's live-game passes.
Want to impress me? Script a pro day against the scout or walk-on team with certain rules (no pressures beyond 4, 3pt stances, certain motion shifts and coverage shells) Then tell said scout team it's for scholarships. I'd rather see a QB complete 70% against bodies than 95% against air. Even if it's training camp type light. You get a better understanding of the quality of QB you're getting but also the quality of competitor.
Want to impress me? Script a pro day against the scout or walk-on team with certain rules...etc
But that's not the universe that we live in. I'm talking about the reality of OUR universe. If I'm the owner of the Browns...a team with no friggin' QB...with the #2 overall draft pick...along with #33...I'm telling my guys to use EVERY tool to evaluate the QB's that we have any interest in. That includes Pro Days of those QB's. The QB is the single most important person in the whole organization. If my GM ever told me that he wasn't going to the QB's Pro Day I'd tell him, well, if you're not going to put the effort into this thing, then I don't friggin' need you on my payroll. But that's just me.
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Want to impress me? Script a pro day against the scout or walk-on team with certain rules...etc
But that's not the universe that we live in. I'm talking about the reality of OUR universe. If I'm the owner of the Browns...a team with no friggin' QB...with the #2 overall draft pick...along with #33...I'm telling my guys to use EVERY tool to evaluate the QB's that we have any interest in. That includes Pro Days of those QB's. The QB is the single most important person in the whole organization. If my GM ever told me that he wasn't going to the QB's Pro Day I'd tell him, well, if you're not going to put the effort into this thing, then I don't friggin' need you on my payroll. But that's just me.
But that's not the universe that we live in. I'm talking about the reality of OUR universe. If I'm the owner of the Browns...a team with no friggin' QB...with the #2 overall draft pick...along with #33...I'm telling my guys to use EVERY tool to evaluate the QB's that we have any interest in. That includes Pro Days of those QB's. The QB is the single most important person in the whole organization. If my GM ever told me that he wasn't going to the QB's Pro Day I'd tell him, well, if you're not going to put the effort into this thing, then I don't friggin' need you on my payroll. But that's just me.
Not arguing that pro-day's aren't a tool. They're just the one in the bag you use and count on the absolute least. Minimal stock and investment at best.
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The Titans sent everybody except the ball boy to Ward's Pro Day today. Seems like they'll be drafting him.
The Titans sent everybody except the ball boy to Ward's Pro Day today. Seems like they'll be drafting him.
They very much could be...
But then again, if the Titans were interested in possibly trading down, making everyone think Ward is definitely an option for them to take would make sense too.
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The Titans sent everybody except the ball boy to Ward's Pro Day today. Seems like they'll be drafting him.
They very much could be...
But then again, if the Titans were interested in possibly trading down, making everyone think Ward is definitely an option for them to take would make sense too.
They very much could be...
But then again, if the Titans were interested in possibly trading down, making everyone think Ward is definitely an option for them to take would make sense too.
I wonder what it would take to pry will levis from them ? maybe our 2nd overall pick and maybe a 3rd ?
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They very much could be...
But then again, if the Titans were interested in possibly trading down, making everyone think Ward is definitely an option for them to take would make sense too.
I wonder what it would take to pry will levis from them ? maybe our 2nd overall pick and maybe a 3rd ?
I wonder what it would take to pry will levis from them ? maybe our 2nd overall pick and maybe a 3rd ?
... What has Levis done to make it seem like his value has inflated beyond his initial draft capital?
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The Titans sent everybody except the ball boy to Ward's Pro Day today. Seems like they'll be drafting him.
They very much could be...
But then again, if the Titans were interested in possibly trading down, making everyone think Ward is definitely an option for them to take would make sense too.
then again, if the Titans were interested in possibly trading down, making everyone think Ward is definitely an option for them to take would make sense too.
Yes, then they're just driving up the price. But the Titans need a QB as bad as we do. I can't see them having the pick of the litter and not taking the best one. The rouse would only be to try and make the Browns trade up to #1 because they think the Browns want Ward...and all along the Titans really want Sanders. I wouldn't think that the Titans would want to be picking after us...because that would mean both QB's are gone. We would pick the other or possibly trade with someone else who'll pick him.
I just feel that the Browns & Titans need a QB...and neither can pass up the two best in the draft.
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then again, if the Titans were interested in possibly trading down, making everyone think Ward is definitely an option for them to take would make sense too.
Yes, then they're just driving up the price. But the Titans need a QB as bad as we do. I can't see them having the pick of the litter and not taking the best one. The rouse would only be to try and make the Browns trade up to #1 because they think the Browns want Ward...and all along the Titans really want Sanders. I wouldn't think that the Titans would want to be picking after us...because that would mean both QB's are gone. We would pick the other or possibly trade with someone else who'll pick him.
I just feel that the Browns & Titans need a QB...and neither can pass up the two best in the draft.
Yes, then they're just driving up the price. But the Titans need a QB as bad as we do. I can't see them having the pick of the litter and not taking the best one. The rouse would only be to try and make the Browns trade up to #1 because they think the Browns want Ward...and all along the Titans really want Sanders. I wouldn't think that the Titans would want to be picking after us...because that would mean both QB's are gone. We would pick the other or possibly trade with someone else who'll pick him.
I just feel that the Browns & Titans need a QB...and neither can pass up the two best in the draft.
Yes, you've made this point quite a few times.
Nothing like having the #1 or #2 overall pick of a draft only to feel like you have to reach for a QB in a bad QB class.
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Yes, then they're just driving up the price. But the Titans need a QB as bad as we do. I can't see them having the pick of the litter and not taking the best one. The rouse would only be to try and make the Browns trade up to #1 because they think the Browns want Ward...and all along the Titans really want Sanders. I wouldn't think that the Titans would want to be picking after us...because that would mean both QB's are gone. We would pick the other or possibly trade with someone else who'll pick him.
I just feel that the Browns & Titans need a QB...and neither can pass up the two best in the draft.
Yes, you've made this point quite a few times.
Nothing like having the #1 or #2 overall pick of a draft only to feel like you have to reach for a QB in a bad QB class.
Yes, you've made this point quite a few times
Yeah, I'm like a broken record. It's just that the NFL game is all about the QB. And without one, you might as well go stamp collecting. (there, I've never mad that analogy before)
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Browns target Jalen Milroe shines at Pro Day
Milroe finished his Pro Day by competing in throwing drills. The script was created by Milroe’s quarterback coach Jordan Palmer. The two have been in the lab refining Milroe’s footwork during the draft season. Milroe’s hard work paid off. Milroe was accurate in drills, he threw 52 passes completing 45 of them. Milroe has the arm strength to make any throw on the field, but his feet being misaligned is a significant source of his inaccuracy
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...and he ran an unverified 4.37 40.
Milroe's arm strength isn't the issue.
His athletic ability isn't the issue.
When he sets his feet and steps into a throw, it's not an issue. He can throw a pretty pass at times.
He is an average processor of defensive information both pre and post snap with little to no year over year improvement. That is his 1st, 2nd and 3rd issue. A pro day is only going to mask that giant red flag.
Johnny Manziel had an amazing pro day, never forget that.
Milroe's arm strength isn't the issue.
His athletic ability isn't the issue.
When he sets his feet and steps into a throw, it's not an issue. He can throw a pretty pass at times.
He is an average processor of defensive information both pre and post snap with little to no year over year improvement. That is his 1st, 2nd and 3rd issue. A pro day is only going to mask that giant red flag.
Johnny Manziel had an amazing pro day, never forget that.
Has Milroe been spotted on a swan in Vegas with a beer in his hand and coke up his nose??
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Yes, you've made this point quite a few times
Yeah, I'm like a broken record. It's just that the NFL game is all about the QB. And without one, you might as well go stamp collecting. (there, I've never mad that analogy before)
Yeah, I'm like a broken record. It's just that the NFL game is all about the QB. And without one, you might as well go stamp collecting. (there, I've never mad that analogy before)
You're preaching to the Choir & the Baritone...
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Milroe's arm strength isn't the issue.
His athletic ability isn't the issue.
When he sets his feet and steps into a throw, it's not an issue. He can throw a pretty pass at times.
He is an average processor of defensive information both pre and post snap with little to no year over year improvement. That is his 1st, 2nd and 3rd issue. A pro day is only going to mask that giant red flag.
Johnny Manziel had an amazing pro day, never forget that.
Has Milroe been spotted on a swan in Vegas with a beer in his hand and coke up his nose??
Has Milroe been spotted on a swan in Vegas with a beer in his hand and coke up his nose??
.... Not yet.
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Has Milroe been spotted on a swan in Vegas with a beer in his hand and coke up his nose??
.... Not yet.
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Sign him up!?
Hold on! We need a guy that can strike oil by accident. I think I found a feller.
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