American views on Israel
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"haha"
https://abcnews.go.com/538/americans-trumps-support-israel/story?id=118962257
' "Much of that change was driven by Democrats, 35 percent of whom sympathized with the Palestinians in the latest poll, compared to 27 percent in the late January survey. Indeed, 60 percent of Republicans in the latest survey said they sympathized more with Israelis — about the same share as in January. Sixty-seven percent of Republicans also said Trump’s support for Israel in the Israel-Hamas war has been “about right,” signalling they approve of his approach so far. In comparison, 12 percent of Democrats and 25 percent of independents said the same — with larger shares saying Trump has been “too supportive of Israel.” '
Another example of cal posting a link and not reading it. Or maybe you did and you just can't follow along. Maybe you need some right wing blogger on red state feeding you propaganda every other sentence. Either way, this doesn't support you near as much as you think, as it shows building views critical of Trump and Israel, and references polls two months older than what I posted above.
Arguing with you about math and Israel is a bad combination, too of your weaknesses, so this obviously isn't going anywhere.
A growing share of Americans are souring on Israel and their continued genocide of Palestinians. You can want that not to be true, but the polls and data are clear.
A growing share of Americans are souring on Israel and their continued genocide of Palestinians. You can want that not to be true, but the polls and data are clear.
There is no proper evidence of any "genocide" against Israel.
The definition of "genocide" to which most people refer is the "Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide", Article 2 of which requires "intent":
https://www.ohchr.org/en/instruments-mechanisms/instruments/convention-prevention-and-punishment-crime-genocideIsrael's warnings to civilians to vacate the immediate combat zone are incompatible with the requirement for "intent" and therefore Israel has not, and is not, committing any "genocide".
Whenever Israel is obliged to defend itself, the "genocide" falsehood propaganda always appears, devoid of proper evidence.
As I previously mentioned, the survey linked by contributor "MLD Woody" makes it clear that views on Israel are different between Democrats and Republicans.- - - - Start of extract from the Survey: - - - -
'Democrats are much more likely to express unfavorable opinions of Israel than Republicans (69% vs. 37%). In 2022, 53% of Democrats and 27% of Republicans had negative views of Israel. [...]'
[Extract from its adjacent chart:]
'View of Israel:
Muslim:
Unfavorable 81
Favorable 19'
Extract source (the same link as posted by "MLD Woody"):
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/04/08/how-americans-view-israel-and-the-israel-hamas-war-at-the-start-of-trumps-second-term/- - - - End of extract - - - -
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peck peck peck *fart* peck peck peck
liar. I don't believe anyone here has attacked "palestine".
"palestinians" have been seriously criticized, but that is earned by the hateful and violent murdering and raping sombeitches.
If I thought you were really only 12, it wouldn't be making you look like a complete birds butt.
However, you defend gang members, illegals, and you ignore raped American girls, and you ignore Oct. 7th, you don't know history. Seems that you rely on false narratives to get negative attention - for some sick reason. You leave stupid bird droppings on every discussion, woodpecker.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_7_Hamas-led_attack_on_Israel
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Well that’s not a legitimate question because I didn’t know what IDF was until I looked it up.
Interesting site. So you think it’s all propaganda?Why do I even ask. Lol
The site? What the hell are you talking about?
IDF is the "Israeli Defense Force". It's their military. The point being it's propaganda by limiting what news makes it out of the region and into the Western world
We've seen posters on here frothing at the mouth to attack Palestine and repeat the lies they were fed. It clearly works, whether you believe it or not.
The site? What the hell are you talking about?
IDF is the "Israeli Defense Force". It's their military. The point being it's propaganda by limiting what news makes it out of the region and into the Western world
We've seen posters on here frothing at the mouth to attack Palestine and repeat the lies they were fed. It clearly works, whether you believe it or not.
Israel does not have the power to "[limit] what news makes it out of the region". There are about 57 Arab and Islamic nations and almost the entire E.U. is against Israel. For example, France state-owned France 24 specializes in broadcasting sob-stories on behalf of the "Palestinian" Arabs, and their news coverage is not only biased in favor of the "Palestinian" Arabs it is actually hostile to Israel.
Since no one has yet "attacked" the falsehood of "Palestine" I am happy to take up the challenge, such as it is:
Would contributor "MLD Woody" like to explain where "Palestine" is located?
The reason I invite them to explain this is because the name "Palestine" is used both by the "Palestinian" Arabs and by their primarily anti-Semitic supporters, to negate the correct name for the land in question, which is Israel. It was the Romans who first used the name "Palestine" which they obtained from the by then defunct Philistine region, a much smaller area than the rest of Israel.
There has never been an indigenous “Palestine” / Arab sovereign state in the land of Israel upon which the “Palestinian” Arabs could base any claim to any part of the land.
The name "Palestine" has been used politically twice, by the Romans, and later the name was resurrected for the Mandate awarded to Great Britain.
Rule of the land of Israel by the Roman Empire and the British Empire was rule by foreign imperial powers.Since there is no "P" in Arabic that name in Arabic is not pronounced "Palestine", it is pronounced "Philistine" (Filiistine)!
The "Palestinian" Arabs have zero connection with the ancient Philistines; they are Arabs.- - - - Start of extract: - - - -
' The word Palestine derives from Philistia, the name given by Greek writers to the land of the Philistines, who in the 12th century BCE occupied a small pocket of land on the southern coast, between what are now Tel Aviv–Yafo and Gaza. The name was revived by the Romans in the 2nd century CE in “Syria Palaestina,” designating the southern portion of the province of Syria [which included Roman-occupied Israel ...]
it had no official status until after World War I and the end of rule by the Ottoman Empire, when it was adopted for one of the regions mandated to Great Britain. [...]'
Extract source:
https://www.britannica.com/place/Palestine- - - - End of extract - - - -
So far as the Gaza casualty figures are concerned, these source only from Israel's enemy Hamas.
The United Nations is politically-allied with Hamas and therefore falsely-validates the Hamas casualty figures, figures which do not differentiate between "civilians" and Hamas and Hamas-allied, combatants.
Why do I put the word 'civilians' in double-quotes? Because many of these are what I would term "part-time civilians", such as for example those who were working for UNRWA but who were found to have taken part in the October 7th, 2023 massacre of Israelis. -
Like our lefty based media here in the states?
No one is attacking Palestine but Hamas and it's supporters. We simply show support for Israel to defend itself and unlike you, condemn the actions taken by Hamas and regular civilians during that atrocity.
Remember this gem??
The Gaza Health Ministry does not distinguish between civilians and combatants in its count, but it has said that more than half of the fatalities are women and children.
Then the truth came out along with the fact the numbers were by the Gaza Health Ministry. You dumbasses ate this shit up though and are still digesting it.
Hamas has revised its casualty figures from the Gaza war, removing hundreds of names from its official list of war fatalities, and revealing that 72% of those killed between ages 13 and 55 were males – a demographic largely composed of combatants. The updated figures contradict Hamas' earlier claims that most casualties were women and children.
Who falls for propaganda? Remind me again, lol. ?
Russia Russia Russia. There's no Hunter laptop. ?
Posters are on here attacking Palestine daily. Some real awful shit said on here. Shit said in this thread. You can't recognize reality in the world and you can't recognize it on this forum apparently.
Good to know you think the number of civilian casualties in Gaza are now low enough to be justifiable.
And, as always, your recollection of what's been said on here is accurate. Or you just can't read. I'm not sure.
Good to know you think the number of civilian casualties in Gaza are now low enough to be justifiable.
What about the number of Americans victimized by illegals? Is any number of that justified by your failed logic?
How about the genocide going on in South Africa? Is that justified in your warped little head?
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The site? What the hell are you talking about?
IDF is the "Israeli Defense Force". It's their military. The point being it's propaganda by limiting what news makes it out of the region and into the Western world
We've seen posters on here frothing at the mouth to attack Palestine and repeat the lies they were fed. It clearly works, whether you believe it or not.
Israel does not have the power to "[limit] what news makes it out of the region". There are about 57 Arab and Islamic nations and almost the entire E.U. is against Israel. For example, France state-owned France 24 specializes in broadcasting sob-stories on behalf of the "Palestinian" Arabs, and their news coverage is not only biased in favor of the "Palestinian" Arabs it is actually hostile to Israel.
Since no one has yet "attacked" the falsehood of "Palestine" I am happy to take up the challenge, such as it is:
Would contributor "MLD Woody" like to explain where "Palestine" is located?
The reason I invite them to explain this is because the name "Palestine" is used both by the "Palestinian" Arabs and by their primarily anti-Semitic supporters, to negate the correct name for the land in question, which is Israel. It was the Romans who first used the name "Palestine" which they obtained from the by then defunct Philistine region, a much smaller area than the rest of Israel.
There has never been an indigenous “Palestine” / Arab sovereign state in the land of Israel upon which the “Palestinian” Arabs could base any claim to any part of the land.
The name "Palestine" has been used politically twice, by the Romans, and later the name was resurrected for the Mandate awarded to Great Britain.
Rule of the land of Israel by the Roman Empire and the British Empire was rule by foreign imperial powers.Since there is no "P" in Arabic that name in Arabic is not pronounced "Palestine", it is pronounced "Philistine" (Filiistine)!
The "Palestinian" Arabs have zero connection with the ancient Philistines; they are Arabs.- - - - Start of extract: - - - -
' The word Palestine derives from Philistia, the name given by Greek writers to the land of the Philistines, who in the 12th century BCE occupied a small pocket of land on the southern coast, between what are now Tel Aviv–Yafo and Gaza. The name was revived by the Romans in the 2nd century CE in “Syria Palaestina,” designating the southern portion of the province of Syria [which included Roman-occupied Israel ...]
it had no official status until after World War I and the end of rule by the Ottoman Empire, when it was adopted for one of the regions mandated to Great Britain. [...]'
Extract source:
https://www.britannica.com/place/Palestine- - - - End of extract - - - -
So far as the Gaza casualty figures are concerned, these source only from Israel's enemy Hamas.
The United Nations is politically-allied with Hamas and therefore falsely-validates the Hamas casualty figures, figures which do not differentiate between "civilians" and Hamas and Hamas-allied, combatants.
Why do I put the word 'civilians' in double-quotes? Because many of these are what I would term "part-time civilians", such as for example those who were working for UNRWA but who were found to have taken part in the October 7th, 2023 massacre of Israelis.Would contributor "MLD Woody" like to explain where "Palestine" is located?
He would not, he's been over his head since the day he tried virtue signalling in a political forum.
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I'm not feeding into the "dead Internet theory" of it all. But concerning to know many of you are a deep fake away from giving up your life savings to a scam
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Haha..math and Israel
October 6 +decades of bombings +videotaped decapitations + kidnappings + every other form of terrorism imaginable= Israel is the bad guy?
It just doesn’t add up, now does it Woody?
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Poor innocent Israel has never done anything wrong. Riiiiiight
Regardless, this thread is on the public opinion of Israel souring. Getting you to understand the reality of the history in the region isn't anything I'm looking to do. It won't happen.
Woody is quiet today.
Must be in church celebrating the resurrection of Jesus.
Weird my response is the highlight of your day. Enjoy the holiday. Don't wait for my response on an Internet forum.
Poor innocent Israel has never done anything wrong. Riiiiiight
Regardless, this thread is on the public opinion of Israel souring. Getting you to understand the reality of the history in the region isn't anything I'm looking to do. It won't happen. .
Contributor "MLD Woody" wrote:
"Poor innocent Israel has never done anything wrong. Riiiiiight":
Israel is the same as any other country and likewise occasionally does things wrong. However, Israel punishes wrongdoing by its soldiers, whereas by comparison the "Palestinian" Arabs pay a reward-pension for the murder of Israeli Jewish civilians including children; this "pay for slay" is referred to as the "Palestinian Authority Martyrs Fund". After all the "Palestinian" Arabs have the money to do this because they are bankrolled by the institutionally anti-Semitic European Union which pays huge sums in so-called "humanitarian" aid to Fatah aka "Palestinian Authority, the", who then pass a proportion on to Hamas.He also wrote:
"Getting you to understand the reality of the history in the region isn't anything I'm looking to do. It won't happen.":
In this the contributor is entirely accurate. This is because pro-"Palestinian" Arabs / "Palestinian" Arabs do not use internationally-recognized history.
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Good to know you think the number of civilian casualties in Gaza are now low enough to be justifiable.
What about the number of Americans victimized by illegals? Is any number of that justified by your failed logic?
How about the genocide going on in South Africa? Is that justified in your warped little head?
What about the number of Americans victimized by illegals? Is any number of that justified by your failed logic?
People commit crimes. Crazy revelation there. Americans do too.
Though, if you believe Trump and MAGA lies on illegal crime, you'd think they're somehow murdering "hundreds of thousands" of people a year.
It's all the standard fear mongering bullshit you folks eat up so easily.
Illegals commit crimes at no worse a rate than American citizens. Some studies show at a lower rate. But you're saying kick them all out because a few are bad eggs. Ignoring all of the implications of that. I'm sure you don't apply the same logic to gun owners...
It's clear where you stand and you aren't changing your mind. Oh well.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
That Robert account could just be someone on a VPN, but it is funny his IP address is out of Thailand right now. And the handful he used before that.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
What about the number of Americans victimized by illegals? Is any number of that justified by your failed logic?
People commit crimes. Crazy revelation there. Americans do too.
Though, if you believe Trump and MAGA lies on illegal crime, you'd think they're somehow murdering "hundreds of thousands" of people a year.
It's all the standard fear mongering bullshit you folks eat up so easily.
Illegals commit crimes at no worse a rate than American citizens. Some studies show at a lower rate. But you're saying kick them all out because a few are bad eggs. Ignoring all of the implications of that. I'm sure you don't apply the same logic to gun owners...
It's clear where you stand and you aren't changing your mind. Oh well.
People commit crimes. Crazy revelation there. Americans do too.
Though, if you believe Trump and MAGA lies on illegal crime, you'd think they're somehow murdering "hundreds of thousands" of people a year.
It's all the standard fear mongering bullshit you folks eat up so easily.
Illegals commit crimes at no worse a rate than American citizens. Some studies show at a lower rate. But you're saying kick them all out because a few are bad eggs. Ignoring all of the implications of that. I'm sure you don't apply the same logic to gun owners...
It's clear where you stand and you aren't changing your mind. Oh well.
Contributor "MLD Woody" wrote:
"Illegals commit crimes at no worse a rate than American citizens.":
Nice try, but the illegals who are members of cartel / mafia gangs tend to commit more crime than the average. If there is a case they are such members, then they need to be deported.He also wrote:
"But you're saying kick them all out because a few are bad eggs.":
It indeed is not right to target all, for the behavior of a few. However, those who avoid the proper Immigration vetting, and enter the U.S. illegally should be deported. (This is on the basis that there is a legitimate method available for genuine asylum seekers to process a claim through Immigration.) -
the group name "palestinians" was created out of belligerence against Israel existing as a country.
The Arabic peoples there could have had their own freaking country, but they refused to be next to Israel and didn't want the Jews to have a country.
The "palestinians" now are enraged that they lost the West Bank etc because of the Six Day War that the ARABIC COUNTRIES STARTED.
Because they didn't, there has never been a Palsetinian state governed by Arab Palsetinians in history, nor was there ever a serious Arab-Palsetinian national movement until 1964…three years BEFORE the Arabs of "Palsetine" lost the West Bank (Judea and Samaria) and Gaza as a result of the 1967 Six Day's War (which the Arabs started). -
That Robert account could just be someone on a VPN, but it is funny his IP address is out of Thailand right now. And the handful he used before that.
That Robert account could just be someone on a VPN, but it is funny his IP address is out of Thailand right now. And the handful he used before that.
I'm not using any VPN!
Is that the best "argument" Hamas supporters can bring; just asking!? -
NCESC - Employment Security Commission
Jun 27, 2024Another commonly asked question is, "Who gave Sinai back to Egypt?" Under the terms of the peace treaty resulting from the Camp David Accords signed in 1978, Israel returned the entire Sinai Peninsula to Egypt. In return, Egypt recognized Israel's right to exist as a state. The two countries subsequently -
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NCESC - Employment Security Commission
Jan 27, 2025The Six-Day War of 1967 saw Israel seize control of the Sinai Peninsula, along with the Gaza Strip, the West Bank, East Jerusalem, and the Golan Heights. For over a decade, the Sinai was under Israeli military administration. While offering strategic depth for defense, it also represented a major point of contention between Israel and Egypt. -
Center for Israel Education
Apr 25, 2023On April 23, 1982, amid strong domestic opposition, Israel evacuates and razes the city of Yamit, the final Israeli settlement to be evacuated in the Sinai, as part of the return of the Sinai to Egypt. Two days later, Israel finishes the three-year process of complete withdrawal from the strategically important and -
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Someday, the cowardly bird - woodpecker - will learn some history.
The Sinai Peninsula was returned to Egypt in multiple stages beginning in 1979 as part of the Egypt-Israel peace treaty. Israel dismantled 18 settlements, 2 airforce bases, a naval base, and other installations by 1982, including most oil resources under Israeli control. ... In 1982, as a result of the Egypt-Israel peace treaty of 1979 -
I've got an AI account from Thailand trying to get me to engage and somehow Cal spanning his Google search links is still the most annoying, troll-y thing on here. It's sad you haven't learned any new tricks in a decade. Just less intelligence and more hate.
Or, who knows, maybe you're running the AI bot behind the VPN. That would be respectable
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
I've got an AI account from Thailand trying to get me to engage and somehow Cal spanning his Google search links is still the most annoying, troll-y thing on here. It's sad you haven't learned any new tricks in a decade. Just less intelligence and more hate.
Or, who knows, maybe you're running the AI bot behind the VPN. That would be respectable
"please stop, don't make me realize I'm wrong, chirp chirp peck peck peck ....."
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Israeli occupation of the Sinai Peninsula
1967–1982 military occupation of the Egyptian Sinai PeninsulaThe Sinai Peninsula, which is a part of Egypt, has been militarily occupied by Israel twice since the beginning of the Arab–Israeli conflict: the first occupation lasted from October 1956 to March 1957, and the second occupation lasted from June 1967 to April 1982. Israel initially seized the Sinai Peninsula during the Suez Crisis, when it attacked Egypt in response to its blockade of Israeli passage through the Suez Canal and Straits of Tiran; the Egyptians had been contesting Israel's freedom of navigation through there since 1949, impacting the country's ability to import and export goods during the Israeli austerity period. Wikipedia -
the group name "palestinians" was created out of belligerence against Israel existing as a country.
The Arabic peoples there could have had their own freaking country, but they refused to be next to Israel and didn't want the Jews to have a country.
The "palestinians" now are enraged that they lost the West Bank etc because of the Six Day War that the ARABIC COUNTRIES STARTED.
Because they didn't, there has never been a Palsetinian state governed by Arab Palsetinians in history, nor was there ever a serious Arab-Palsetinian national movement until 1964…three years BEFORE the Arabs of "Palsetine" lost the West Bank (Judea and Samaria) and Gaza as a result of the 1967 Six Day's War (which the Arabs started).The "palestinians" now are enraged that they lost the West Bank etc because of the Six Day War that the ARABIC COUNTRIES STARTED. [...]
In the 1967 Six Day War Israel recovered its ancestral lands of "Judah and Samaria" (wrongly called the "West Bank), from the Jordanian illegal-occupiers:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordanian_annexation_of_the_West_Bank
What is the Jewish people’s ancestral homeland? See the post-Biblical Jewish Hasmonean Kingdom (in the posted text I have removed the “https://” so the System only displays the URL):
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4b/Hasmonean_kingdom.jpgIt only became known as "the West Bank” due to the Jordanian (then called Transjordan) illegal-occupation of it from 1948 to 1967 (see first link above).
(No land has ever been taken from the "Palestinian" Arabs, but rather (as an attempt at "land for peace" and also another attempt at a "two-state solution") they were granted autonomy under the Oslo Accords in 1995, of part (about 40%) of Judah and Samaria ("West Bank"), and also the whole of Gaza;
https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Oslo_II_Accord
afterwhich the "Palestinian" Arabs claimed ALL the land, fired thousands of rockets from Gaza at Israeli cities, continued with their terrorism, and committed the massacre of October 7th, 2023!)In 1967 Israel was about to be attacked by both Egypt and Syria (both the latter countries were then united as the UAE ("United Arab Republic")), and if such an attack had happened at that time, it is likely Israel would have been destroyed. The threat was not really any secret either since in 1967 in preparation to attack Israel, the Egyptians:
> mobilized their army,
> ordered the United Nations to withdraw its UNEF Peacekeeping force (“United Nations Emergency Force”) from the Sinai,
> and closed the Straits of Tiran:
Israel therefore conducted a pre-emptive strike, taking-out the air forces of Egypt and Syria, (mostly) on the ground:
https://www.britannica.com/event/Six-Day-WarEgypt and Syria did attack Israel in 1973:
https://www.britannica.com/event/Yom-Kippur-WarIn 1970 the "Palestinian" Arabs, who claim to everyone about how attached they allegedly are to the land of Israel, tried to take over Jordan by force; an event referred to as "Black September":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_September_in_Jordan
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