Leroy Hoard is right
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I agree, but it is easy to agree after the fact. Baker has always been an excellent QB. But it would have taken a lot for the Browns to win or get to a Super Bowl with him. But if you think about other QB's who have won one, he is and was good enough. Flacco, McMahon, Rypien, Dilfer, Williams (but he played great in that game). I could go on, but you get the point. Mayfield is a better QB than all of those guys, but he would have needed some better receivers to go with a shutdown defense. It has become clear that this Browns regime does not know how to draft receivers so...........
I'll argue that in the four years Baker was a starter here he was "excellent" for about one and half of them, and he's a guy who needs everything around him to be going well to succeed. He's a good but not great starting QB now who isn't a guy who elevates people around him. When Mike Evans went out last season for a stretch of games, we saw how Tampa Bay performed. All the QBs you named came from an era where a "great" QB threw for 3000 yards and 18 touchdowns a season, sans Flacco, but hell his Super Bowl win was years ago.
You are right on about the Browns ability to draft WRs, thank dog Berry is excellent at trading low draft picks for guys like Cooper and Jeudy.
I'll argue that in the four years Baker was a starter here he was "excellent" for about one and half of them, and he's a guy who needs everything around him to be going well to succeed. He's a good but not great starting QB now who isn't a guy who elevates people around him. When Mike Evans went out last season for a stretch of games, we saw how Tampa Bay performed. All the QBs you named came from an era where a "great" QB threw for 3000 yards and 18 touchdowns a season, sans Flacco, but hell his Super Bowl win was years ago.
You are right on about the Browns ability to draft WRs, thank dog Berry is excellent at trading low draft picks for guys like Cooper and Jeudy.
Very well said! Looking at the Subject Heading - isn't it a little strange that not 1 of Baker's teammates in Cleveland expressed any agitation or concern about the Browns just letting Baker go? Not 1 (not even Bitonio who usually has something nice to say about a departing teammate he respected). That's the type of transaction that has every local/national media source wanting to beat all the competition to release the 1st scoop that quotes a teammate that says "Losing Baker is really gonna cost us" or "this is wrong" or "Baker was a teammate we'll really miss around here" or "last time he was healthy we won 11 games + a playoff game scoring 48 points in Pittsburgh." Having said that, somebody found hind sight 20/20 from Leroy Hoard, who played for the Browns from 1990-95 (30 years ago) - so all is not lost here.
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I'll argue that in the four years Baker was a starter here he was "excellent" for about one and half of them, and he's a guy who needs everything around him to be going well to succeed. He's a good but not great starting QB now who isn't a guy who elevates people around him. When Mike Evans went out last season for a stretch of games, we saw how Tampa Bay performed. All the QBs you named came from an era where a "great" QB threw for 3000 yards and 18 touchdowns a season, sans Flacco, but hell his Super Bowl win was years ago.
You are right on about the Browns ability to draft WRs, thank dog Berry is excellent at trading low draft picks for guys like Cooper and Jeudy.
Very well said! Looking at the Subject Heading - isn't it a little strange that not 1 of Baker's teammates in Cleveland expressed any agitation or concern about the Browns just letting Baker go? Not 1 (not even Bitonio who usually has something nice to say about a departing teammate he respected). That's the type of transaction that has every local/national media source wanting to beat all the competition to release the 1st scoop that quotes a teammate that says "Losing Baker is really gonna cost us" or "this is wrong" or "Baker was a teammate we'll really miss around here" or "last time he was healthy we won 11 games + a playoff game scoring 48 points in Pittsburgh." Having said that, somebody found hind sight 20/20 from Leroy Hoard, who played for the Browns from 1990-95 (30 years ago) - so all is not lost here.
isn't it a little strange that not 1 of Baker's teammates in Cleveland expressed any agitation or concern about the Browns just letting Baker go?
Certainly SOMEBODY musta' said SOMETHING.
The season before his shoulder injury season is when I'd officially given up on him. I saw him as a selfish player whose selfishness was hurting the team. The final straw was late in a game, late in the season, where we HAD to win to keep playoffs alive. On 3rd down he had rolled right and had Demetric Felton wide open on the sideline. A yard or 2 beyond the sticks. A simple pitch and catch for a 1st down. He looked right at Felton. But nope, it had to be about him, so he pulled it down and ran for it. Of course he didn't make it. We had to punt. We lost and didn't make the playoffs. - AND, if you remember, he pretty much refused to throw it to OBJ. OBJ could be wide open, but he wasn't even going to look his way. OBJ was a headlines grabber so Baker wasn't going to fuel his fire. Basically, the only time he'd throw it to him was when absolutely nobody was open...pretty much just to show that he throws to OBJ. Now, I think that most every QB at that time, if they had OBJ, would give him a quick look if the primary receiver was covered.
Having said all of that (again), he was constantly missing receivers high over the middle...because he's a shorter QB.
That's what I saw and what I thought about Baker. Obviously, the Browns brain-trust saw something that they wanted to move off from also. So it wasn't just me that wasn't overly happy with having Baker as the QB of the Browns.
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isn't it a little strange that not 1 of Baker's teammates in Cleveland expressed any agitation or concern about the Browns just letting Baker go?
Certainly SOMEBODY musta' said SOMETHING.
The season before his shoulder injury season is when I'd officially given up on him. I saw him as a selfish player whose selfishness was hurting the team. The final straw was late in a game, late in the season, where we HAD to win to keep playoffs alive. On 3rd down he had rolled right and had Demetric Felton wide open on the sideline. A yard or 2 beyond the sticks. A simple pitch and catch for a 1st down. He looked right at Felton. But nope, it had to be about him, so he pulled it down and ran for it. Of course he didn't make it. We had to punt. We lost and didn't make the playoffs. - AND, if you remember, he pretty much refused to throw it to OBJ. OBJ could be wide open, but he wasn't even going to look his way. OBJ was a headlines grabber so Baker wasn't going to fuel his fire. Basically, the only time he'd throw it to him was when absolutely nobody was open...pretty much just to show that he throws to OBJ. Now, I think that most every QB at that time, if they had OBJ, would give him a quick look if the primary receiver was covered.
Having said all of that (again), he was constantly missing receivers high over the middle...because he's a shorter QB.
That's what I saw and what I thought about Baker. Obviously, the Browns brain-trust saw something that they wanted to move off from also. So it wasn't just me that wasn't overly happy with having Baker as the QB of the Browns.
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isn't it a little strange that not 1 of Baker's teammates in Cleveland expressed any agitation or concern about the Browns just letting Baker go?
Certainly SOMEBODY musta' said SOMETHING.
The season before his shoulder injury season is when I'd officially given up on him. I saw him as a selfish player whose selfishness was hurting the team. The final straw was late in a game, late in the season, where we HAD to win to keep playoffs alive. On 3rd down he had rolled right and had Demetric Felton wide open on the sideline. A yard or 2 beyond the sticks. A simple pitch and catch for a 1st down. He looked right at Felton. But nope, it had to be about him, so he pulled it down and ran for it. Of course he didn't make it. We had to punt. We lost and didn't make the playoffs. - AND, if you remember, he pretty much refused to throw it to OBJ. OBJ could be wide open, but he wasn't even going to look his way. OBJ was a headlines grabber so Baker wasn't going to fuel his fire. Basically, the only time he'd throw it to him was when absolutely nobody was open...pretty much just to show that he throws to OBJ. Now, I think that most every QB at that time, if they had OBJ, would give him a quick look if the primary receiver was covered.
Having said all of that (again), he was constantly missing receivers high over the middle...because he's a shorter QB.
That's what I saw and what I thought about Baker. Obviously, the Browns brain-trust saw something that they wanted to move off from also. So it wasn't just me that wasn't overly happy with having Baker as the QB of the Browns.
Certainly SOMEBODY musta' said SOMETHING.
The season before his shoulder injury season is when I'd officially given up on him. I saw him as a selfish player whose selfishness was hurting the team. The final straw was late in a game, late in the season, where we HAD to win to keep playoffs alive. On 3rd down he had rolled right and had Demetric Felton wide open on the sideline. A yard or 2 beyond the sticks. A simple pitch and catch for a 1st down. He looked right at Felton. But nope, it had to be about him, so he pulled it down and ran for it. Of course he didn't make it. We had to punt. We lost and didn't make the playoffs. - AND, if you remember, he pretty much refused to throw it to OBJ. OBJ could be wide open, but he wasn't even going to look his way. OBJ was a headlines grabber so Baker wasn't going to fuel his fire. Basically, the only time he'd throw it to him was when absolutely nobody was open...pretty much just to show that he throws to OBJ. Now, I think that most every QB at that time, if they had OBJ, would give him a quick look if the primary receiver was covered.
Having said all of that (again), he was constantly missing receivers high over the middle...because he's a shorter QB.
That's what I saw and what I thought about Baker. Obviously, the Browns brain-trust saw something that they wanted to move off from also. So it wasn't just me that wasn't overly happy with having Baker as the QB of the Browns.
You're confused about the timeline. The season before the injury we did make the playoffs. Baker played with a makeshift OL and about 38 different receivers because of COVID. The season before the injury Baker looked elite almost the entire year, punched the Steelers in the face to win a playoff game, and was one bogus call from beating Mahomes and stamping a ticket to the AFC Championship game.
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Certainly SOMEBODY musta' said SOMETHING.
The season before his shoulder injury season is when I'd officially given up on him. I saw him as a selfish player whose selfishness was hurting the team. The final straw was late in a game, late in the season, where we HAD to win to keep playoffs alive. On 3rd down he had rolled right and had Demetric Felton wide open on the sideline. A yard or 2 beyond the sticks. A simple pitch and catch for a 1st down. He looked right at Felton. But nope, it had to be about him, so he pulled it down and ran for it. Of course he didn't make it. We had to punt. We lost and didn't make the playoffs. - AND, if you remember, he pretty much refused to throw it to OBJ. OBJ could be wide open, but he wasn't even going to look his way. OBJ was a headlines grabber so Baker wasn't going to fuel his fire. Basically, the only time he'd throw it to him was when absolutely nobody was open...pretty much just to show that he throws to OBJ. Now, I think that most every QB at that time, if they had OBJ, would give him a quick look if the primary receiver was covered.
Having said all of that (again), he was constantly missing receivers high over the middle...because he's a shorter QB.
That's what I saw and what I thought about Baker. Obviously, the Browns brain-trust saw something that they wanted to move off from also. So it wasn't just me that wasn't overly happy with having Baker as the QB of the Browns.
You're confused about the timeline. The season before the injury we did make the playoffs. Baker played with a makeshift OL and about 38 different receivers because of COVID. The season before the injury Baker looked elite almost the entire year, punched the Steelers in the face to win a playoff game, and was one bogus call from beating Mahomes and stamping a ticket to the AFC Championship game.
You're confused about the timeline. The season before the injury we did make the playoffs.
Thank you! Yes, you're right. We DID make the playoffs. After the Steelers committed 5 or 6 turnovers to lose the game to us, we lost to the Chiefs because Baker refused to lob the ball over to Felton for the easy 1st down, so that he could run for it himself...which led to a punt and KC running out the clock. I just felt that that was insanely stupid...and self centered. - Then, a year later we give up on him and move to Watson. And a year after that, that idiot starts thinking that he's Nick Chubb when he's running with the ball. Instead of sliding like a smart QB, he's lowering his shoulder and taking on tacklers until he gets himself injured and out for the rest of the year. STUPID. I want a smart QB. Yeah, I like 'em tall and strong armed. But if the tall, strong armed QB ain't too smart, then I don't need him.
We have 5 QB's. Watson = Stupid (on AND off the field). Flacco is old. Pickett isn't good (hasn't been anyway). Gabriel is a midget. That leaves Sanders...Or...next April's two 1st round picks.
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I agree, but it is easy to agree after the fact. Baker has always been an excellent QB. But it would have taken a lot for the Browns to win or get to a Super Bowl with him. But if you think about other QB's who have won one, he is and was good enough. Flacco, McMahon, Rypien, Dilfer, Williams (but he played great in that game). I could go on, but you get the point. Mayfield is a better QB than all of those guys, but he would have needed some better receivers to go with a shutdown defense. It has become clear that this Browns regime does not know how to draft receivers so...........
I'll argue that in the four years Baker was a starter here he was "excellent" for about one and half of them, and he's a guy who needs everything around him to be going well to succeed. He's a good but not great starting QB now who isn't a guy who elevates people around him. When Mike Evans went out last season for a stretch of games, we saw how Tampa Bay performed. All the QBs you named came from an era where a "great" QB threw for 3000 yards and 18 touchdowns a season, sans Flacco, but hell his Super Bowl win was years ago.
You are right on about the Browns ability to draft WRs, thank dog Berry is excellent at trading low draft picks for guys like Cooper and Jeudy.
I'll argue that in the four years Baker was a starter here he was "excellent" for about one and half of them, and he's a guy who needs everything around him to be going well to succeed. He's a good but not great starting QB now who isn't a guy who elevates people around him. When Mike Evans went out last season for a stretch of games, we saw how Tampa Bay performed. All the QBs you named came from an era where a "great" QB threw for 3000 yards and 18 touchdowns a season, sans Flacco, but hell his Super Bowl win was years ago.
You are right on about the Browns ability to draft WRs, thank dog Berry is excellent at trading low draft picks for guys like Cooper and Jeudy.
Completely agree with your take. Nobody at the time considered Mayfield a franchise QB after that season so people need to stop reflecting on that period with rose tinted glasses. At the time Watson was definitely an upgrade on paper.
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The fuck? You can tell it's peak off-season. We're talking about a QB that will starting his 4th season off our roster.
Cal, you hold onto singular fixations like the tenacity of a true sociopath. Learn to let things go.
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I'll stay out of the sociopath part, but no doubt this is a topic that has become worn out and old.
I mean, what's the point? No matter if the decision was right, wrong, or somewhere in between, it is what it is and all the talk in the world isn't going to change anything. It's time to move on.
At this point I see two pretty good looking rookie QB's on roster. That is the only QB discussion I need to contemplate. Are we going to find out by seasons end if at least one of them shows out to be good enough to prevent us from having to use one of both of next year's first rounders in search of another QB?
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The fuck? You can tell it's peak off-season. We're talking about a QB that will starting his 4th season off our roster.
Cal, you hold onto singular fixations like the tenacity of a true sociopath. Learn to let things go.
The fuck? You can tell it's peak off-season. We're talking about a QB that will starting his 4th season off our roster.
Cal, you hold onto singular fixations like the tenacity of a true sociopath. Learn to let things go.
To dream the impossible dream! Just go to the poliboard for confirmation of fixations on that.
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The fuck? You can tell it's peak off-season. We're talking about a QB that will starting his 4th season off our roster.
Cal, you hold onto singular fixations like the tenacity of a true sociopath. Learn to let things go.
The fuck? You can tell it's peak off-season. We're talking about a QB that will starting his 4th season off our roster.
Cal, you hold onto singular fixations like the tenacity of a true sociopath. Learn to let things go.
you are going all in on being a wimp again? You were so wrong about watson you are trying to hide it?
The article link I posted is dated June 6, 2025. I didn't write the article - just posted it. It was news. You ran your fake ego mouth against Baker incessantly so freaking much, but now that he is a star in Tampa Bay, you want everyone else to keep real quiet, lest you cry and lose your bearings.
Have a nice big mouth faker day. LOL
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The fuck? You can tell it's peak off-season. We're talking about a QB that will starting his 4th season off our roster.
Cal, you hold onto singular fixations like the tenacity of a true sociopath. Learn to let things go.
you are going all in on being a wimp again? You were so wrong about watson you are trying to hide it?
The article link I posted is dated June 6, 2025. I didn't write the article - just posted it. It was news. You ran your fake ego mouth against Baker incessantly so freaking much, but now that he is a star in Tampa Bay, you want everyone else to keep real quiet, lest you cry and lose your bearings.
Have a nice big mouth faker day. LOL
you are going all in on being a wimp again?
What nonsense are you on about, I never seem to know.
To dream the impossible dream! Just go to the poliboard for confirmation of fixations on that.
If I wanted to talk to retards I'd go to a disability home.
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say, tiamsies watson hack, must be that time of the month again for you.
Oh, look, another article about Baker Mayfield - someone believes the Browns should add both Mayfield and Chubb to the Ring of Honor.
FYI, I didn't write this one either !
https://www.newsweek.com/sports/nfl/browns-urged-make-major-baker-mayfield-move-2086412
Browns Urged to Make Major Baker Mayfield Move
Published Jun 16, 2025 at 5:53 PM EDT Updated Jun 16, 2025 at 5:56 PM EDT -
oh, look, Tiamsies pansies, another article about Baker Mayfield that
I did not write:
Jun 9, 2025The Tampa Bay Buccaneers weren't entirely sure that Baker Mayfield was the super long-term answer. ... Billy Heyen is a freelance writer with The Sporting News. He is a 2019 graduate of Syracuse ... -
but, wait, tiamsies pansies, HERE's ANOTHER ONE !!!!!
"Mayfield finished third in the NFL in passing yards (4,500), second in touchdowns (41) while also shocking opponents by running for a career high 378 yards and 3 touchdowns while averaging 6.3 yards per carry."
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but, wait, tiamsies pansies, HERE's ANOTHER ONE !!!!!
"Mayfield finished third in the NFL in passing yards (4,500), second in touchdowns (41) while also shocking opponents by running for a career high 378 yards and 3 touchdowns while averaging 6.3 yards per carry."
but, wait, tiamsies pansies,
I'm struggling to picture this being said by a grown (allegedly hetero) man.
Sometimes I just wish you weren't so fuckin weird bud.
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I'm struggling to picture this being said by a grown (allegedly hetero) man.
Sometimes I just wish you weren't so fuckin weird bud.
lol, most of the time I wish you weren't such an arrogant fake asswhole ! You didn't have to enter or read this thread that I started. Grow up yourself. I'm guessing you "played football" at a woke college....
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I'll stay out of the sociopath part, but no doubt this is a topic that has become worn out and old.
I mean, what's the point? No matter if the decision was right, wrong, or somewhere in between, it is what it is and all the talk in the world isn't going to change anything. It's time to move on.
At this point I see two pretty good looking rookie QB's on roster. That is the only QB discussion I need to contemplate. Are we going to find out by seasons end if at least one of them shows out to be good enough to prevent us from having to use one of both of next year's first rounders in search of another QB?
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I'm struggling to picture this being said by a grown (allegedly hetero) man.
Sometimes I just wish you weren't so fuckin weird bud.
lol, most of the time I wish you weren't such an arrogant fake asswhole ! You didn't have to enter or read this thread that I started. Grow up yourself. I'm guessing you "played football" at a woke college....
lol, most of the time I wish you weren't such an arrogant fake asswhole ! You didn't have to enter or read this thread that I started. Grow up yourself. I'm guessing you "played football" at a woke college....
Look who woke up.?
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Hmmm, since everyone here is blaming the JFF college success to having Mike Evans, then how does that translate for the Baker Man?
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I'm struggling to picture this being said by a grown (allegedly hetero) man.
Sometimes I just wish you weren't so fuckin weird bud.
lol, most of the time I wish you weren't such an arrogant fake asswhole ! You didn't have to enter or read this thread that I started. Grow up yourself. I'm guessing you "played football" at a woke college....
lol, most of the time I wish you weren't such an arrogant fake asswhole ! You didn't have to enter or read this thread that I started.
I gave you the benefit of the doubt and thought you might have said something worth reading.
I'm guessing you "played football" at a woke college....
Zero idea what any of this means.
I "played football".... *blink*
No idea what a "woke college" would have been or looked like circa 2007-2008.
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