Training Camp 2025
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What did you get?
Subaru Crosstrek to replace her crashed Subaru Outback. I swear she did it on purpose.?
Subaru Crosstrek to replace her crashed Subaru Outback. I swear she did it on purpose.?
Oh that’s right, that’s what I have too
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Getting kicked in the balls every Sunday is an expensive hobby.
Getting kicked in the balls every Sunday is an expensive hobby.
That 3-14 record came at me like a bunch of Roadhouse Bouncers in steel toe shitkickers.
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Tickets secured for 7/28, eyeing following up with 8/4 to gauge progress.
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Just wait until we see the price of the tickets to the Mattress Factory Of Sadness Dome in Brookpark.
I gave up my season tickets, my cousin has them now.
Prices went up $21/ticket ( 42 per game). After a 3-14 season, WTF
I gave up my season tickets, my cousin has them now.
Prices went up $21/ticket ( 42 per game). After a 3-14 season, WTF
I kept mine, but I am 99% sure this will be my last season. When I first got my club seats they cost somewhere around $1700 a seat. Now they are $2500 per seat. My bill was for $5012. That is getting a bit steep now that i am older and have some heath issues that make the 600 mile drive to Cleveland bad news for the lower legs. I only used 5 of them last season. This season looks like less. Add travel costs like hotels for 3-4 nights per game, fuel, food etc. add another $800-$1000 per trip. The cost V. the value/fun ratio just doesn't match up any longer.
I'll still pick up some tickets from one of the sites, maybe a couple of home games but can now mix in an away game, something I have missed for the last 20 years.
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I gave up my season tickets, my cousin has them now.
Prices went up $21/ticket ( 42 per game). After a 3-14 season, WTF
I kept mine, but I am 99% sure this will be my last season. When I first got my club seats they cost somewhere around $1700 a seat. Now they are $2500 per seat. My bill was for $5012. That is getting a bit steep now that i am older and have some heath issues that make the 600 mile drive to Cleveland bad news for the lower legs. I only used 5 of them last season. This season looks like less. Add travel costs like hotels for 3-4 nights per game, fuel, food etc. add another $800-$1000 per trip. The cost V. the value/fun ratio just doesn't match up any longer.
I'll still pick up some tickets from one of the sites, maybe a couple of home games but can now mix in an away game, something I have missed for the last 20 years.
I kept mine, but I am 99% sure this will be my last season. When I first got my club seats they cost somewhere around $1700 a seat. Now they are $2500 per seat. My bill was for $5012. That is getting a bit steep now that i am older and have some heath issues that make the 600 mile drive to Cleveland bad news for the lower legs. I only used 5 of them last season. This season looks like less. Add travel costs like hotels for 3-4 nights per game, fuel, food etc. add another $800-$1000 per trip. The cost V. the value/fun ratio just doesn't match up any longer.
I'll still pick up some tickets from one of the sites, maybe a couple of home games but can now mix in an away game, something I have missed for the last 20 years.
I get it. Similar issues with me, as my health insurance went way up per month. So I need to cut costs somewhere, Browns tickets are the easy choice sadly.
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I’ll be fascinated to see how season ticket sales go when the Browns move into the Mattress Factory Of Sadness Dome in 2029…
Ticket prices are going to be bananas ?
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I’ll be fascinated to see how season ticket sales go when the Browns move into the Mattress Factory Of Sadness Dome in 2029…
Ticket prices are going to be bananas ?
I’ll be fascinated to see how season ticket sales go when the Browns move into the Mattress Factory Of Sadness Dome in 2029…
Ticket prices are going to be bananas ?
And it sucks because fans WANT to be there, they want to pack the house.
The largest reason we watch football is because of our shared connection to Ohio, Cleveland, each other and finally the game of football itself. The game that welcomes and shelters all. When you begin to squeeze that connection too much with a price point; when the ownership(s) fail to recognize the financial situation of the average American, who are the overwhelming majority of their support - then people begin to believe the Browns aren't so much *our* team as they are an incredibly profitable business venture only.
NFL ownerships need to realize they're playing a dangerous game milking every dollar from their bases that the delicate connection of fans and community identity --> team can be in question. Sports are something that helps bring us together. We've really gotten away from that.
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I’ll be fascinated to see how season ticket sales go when the Browns move into the Mattress Factory Of Sadness Dome in 2029…
Ticket prices are going to be bananas ?
And it sucks because fans WANT to be there, they want to pack the house.
The largest reason we watch football is because of our shared connection to Ohio, Cleveland, each other and finally the game of football itself. The game that welcomes and shelters all. When you begin to squeeze that connection too much with a price point; when the ownership(s) fail to recognize the financial situation of the average American, who are the overwhelming majority of their support - then people begin to believe the Browns aren't so much *our* team as they are an incredibly profitable business venture only.
NFL ownerships need to realize they're playing a dangerous game milking every dollar from their bases that the delicate connection of fans and community identity --> team can be in question. Sports are something that helps bring us together. We've really gotten away from that.
And it sucks because fans WANT to be there, they want to pack the house.
The largest reason we watch football is because of our shared connection to Ohio, Cleveland, each other and finally the game of football itself. The game that welcomes and shelters all. When you begin to squeeze that connection too much with a price point; when the ownership(s) fail to recognize the financial situation of the average American, who are the overwhelming majority of their support - then people begin to believe the Browns aren't so much *our* team as they are an incredibly profitable business venture only.
NFL ownerships need to realize they're playing a dangerous game milking every dollar from their bases that the delicate connection of fans and community identity --> team can be in question. Sports are something that helps bring us together. We've really gotten away from that.
And with NIL money now being legal, college teams are forced into a similar, though different, situation in order to stay competitive and keep fans coming to the games. If you don't pay the players enough, they get bought out by higher $$ teams. So now on top of the ticket price you must pay a premium "donation" to get the best seats. I find that getting higher, less premium season tickets are just fine in the new A&M stadium with the investment of wide angle 10X binoculars. Puts me right down inside the in-play of the lines where football is really lost or won. Sometimes you lose what a player did to get so open, but with the big screen instant replay the stadium has all over the place, you get to see that part after the fact. Plus, if it's being recorded, you can watch that later when you get home.
PS-with NFL Sunday Ticket now no longer negotiable, I don't get to see many Browns games anymore. Just too expensive to have season college tickets for 2 (especially adding in travel, meals, parking, etc.) and high $$ Sunday Ticket. Parking also used to be free if you were willing to walk 2 miles each way on hot days. Now it's $20 minimum and another huge donation to get parking closer in which you can't qualify for without that other big donation for high $$ seats. They milk you in so many ways now. If I didn't have kids and grandkids I give tickets to, it wouldn't be worth it. I only go to a couple of the games myself.
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I gave up my season tickets, my cousin has them now.
Prices went up $21/ticket ( 42 per game). After a 3-14 season, WTF
Ouch! Don't feel too bad though Bob. The Sunday Ticket ain't cheap either. At least you can watch all their games on your local TV network in the comforts of your own man cave. Here's my email version of the bill for the Ticket this year - just in case anyone wonders why I don't want to do worse than 3-14 just so we can draft another QB that might not pan out:
Ouch! Don't feel too bad though Bob. The Sunday Ticket ain't cheap either. At least you can watch all their games on your local TV network in the comforts of your own man cave. Here's my email version of the bill for the Ticket this year - just in case anyone wonders why I don't want to do worse than 3-14 just so we can draft another QB that might not pan out:
Question....I dropped Sunday Ticket a long time ago, as I didn't think it was a good fit.
Does it include games on Amazon or Yahoo?
Karlis Missed -
I’ll be fascinated to see how season ticket sales go when the Browns move into the Mattress Factory Of Sadness Dome in 2029…
Ticket prices are going to be bananas ?
And it sucks because fans WANT to be there, they want to pack the house.
The largest reason we watch football is because of our shared connection to Ohio, Cleveland, each other and finally the game of football itself. The game that welcomes and shelters all. When you begin to squeeze that connection too much with a price point; when the ownership(s) fail to recognize the financial situation of the average American, who are the overwhelming majority of their support - then people begin to believe the Browns aren't so much *our* team as they are an incredibly profitable business venture only.
NFL ownerships need to realize they're playing a dangerous game milking every dollar from their bases that the delicate connection of fans and community identity --> team can be in question. Sports are something that helps bring us together. We've really gotten away from that.
NFL ownerships need to realize they're playing a dangerous game milking every dollar from their bases that the delicate connection of fans and community identity --> team can be in question. Sports are something that helps bring us together. We've really gotten away from that.
Well stated.
It doesn't help that the NFL tends to focus their marketing on the perceived "top teams." Several teams get 4,5, even 6 primetime games, and even more at the Sunday late time slot (430pm).
For a league that spreads it's wealth very well, they market poorly IMHO.
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Ouch! Don't feel too bad though Bob. The Sunday Ticket ain't cheap either. At least you can watch all their games on your local TV network in the comforts of your own man cave. Here's my email version of the bill for the Ticket this year - just in case anyone wonders why I don't want to do worse than 3-14 just so we can draft another QB that might not pan out:
Question....I dropped Sunday Ticket a long time ago, as I didn't think it was a good fit.
Does it include games on Amazon or Yahoo?
Question....I dropped Sunday Ticket a long time ago, as I didn't think it was a good fit.
Does it include games on Amazon or Yahoo?
Sunday games only. No Thursday nights, Monday nights, Amazon, etc.
I did the Youtube one year and then dropped it. I did it for my grandboys. But it turned out that they wind up with 'the father' some Sunday's. And then other times they're outside playing with the neighbor's boy...etc. And I'd already come to the conclusion that I wasn't going to spend that kind of money to watch my Browns anymore. I've been buying a package from NFL.com / NFL Network where I can watch the game(s) a couple of hours after the game ends. Can watch them like normal, or the short version with just the plays.
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Streaming Device is the answer.
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I’ll be fascinated to see how season ticket sales go when the Browns move into the Mattress Factory Of Sadness Dome in 2029…
Ticket prices are going to be bananas ?
And it sucks because fans WANT to be there, they want to pack the house.
The largest reason we watch football is because of our shared connection to Ohio, Cleveland, each other and finally the game of football itself. The game that welcomes and shelters all. When you begin to squeeze that connection too much with a price point; when the ownership(s) fail to recognize the financial situation of the average American, who are the overwhelming majority of their support - then people begin to believe the Browns aren't so much *our* team as they are an incredibly profitable business venture only.
NFL ownerships need to realize they're playing a dangerous game milking every dollar from their bases that the delicate connection of fans and community identity --> team can be in question. Sports are something that helps bring us together. We've really gotten away from that.
And it sucks because fans WANT to be there, they want to pack the house.
The largest reason we watch football is because of our shared connection to Ohio, Cleveland, each other and finally the game of football itself. The game that welcomes and shelters all. When you begin to squeeze that connection too much with a price point; when the ownership(s) fail to recognize the financial situation of the average American, who are the overwhelming majority of their support - then people begin to believe the Browns aren't so much *our* team as they are an incredibly profitable business venture only.
NFL ownerships need to realize they're playing a dangerous game milking every dollar from their bases that the delicate connection of fans and community identity --> team can be in question. Sports are something that helps bring us together. We've really gotten away from that.
I don't disagree but evidently NFL owners feel like they have a great deal more price elasticity with their product, and they probably do. I know the Browns have a waiting list for seats. If you can do that after the last 20 years and have a base of fans already paying higher prices on the after market sites, they can do that. He will sell the seats, at least a great many of them. I don't blame owners. Owners sell their product for as much as they can just like players demand as much as they can.
I'd like it if they were still $30 tickets to a game just like I would like it if rib eye steaks were still $7.99 a lb. and movie tickets were still $3.
Those days are gone.
The problem is NFL teams only play 8.5 games a year and in no way can they match the number of games in a season to spread out costs like the other pro leagues.
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And it sucks because fans WANT to be there, they want to pack the house.
The largest reason we watch football is because of our shared connection to Ohio, Cleveland, each other and finally the game of football itself. The game that welcomes and shelters all. When you begin to squeeze that connection too much with a price point; when the ownership(s) fail to recognize the financial situation of the average American, who are the overwhelming majority of their support - then people begin to believe the Browns aren't so much *our* team as they are an incredibly profitable business venture only.
NFL ownerships need to realize they're playing a dangerous game milking every dollar from their bases that the delicate connection of fans and community identity --> team can be in question. Sports are something that helps bring us together. We've really gotten away from that.
I don't disagree but evidently NFL owners feel like they have a great deal more price elasticity with their product, and they probably do. I know the Browns have a waiting list for seats. If you can do that after the last 20 years and have a base of fans already paying higher prices on the after market sites, they can do that. He will sell the seats, at least a great many of them. I don't blame owners. Owners sell their product for as much as they can just like players demand as much as they can.
I'd like it if they were still $30 tickets to a game just like I would like it if rib eye steaks were still $7.99 a lb. and movie tickets were still $3.
Those days are gone.
The problem is NFL teams only play 8.5 games a year and in no way can they match the number of games in a season to spread out costs like the other pro leagues.
I'd like it if they were still $30 tickets
Yesterday, as I was paying for the month of music lessons for my two grandboys I realized that......back 60 years ago when my parents paid for my 1/2 hour lesson it was #3.50. Today it costs 10 times that.
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
And it sucks because fans WANT to be there, they want to pack the house.
The largest reason we watch football is because of our shared connection to Ohio, Cleveland, each other and finally the game of football itself. The game that welcomes and shelters all. When you begin to squeeze that connection too much with a price point; when the ownership(s) fail to recognize the financial situation of the average American, who are the overwhelming majority of their support - then people begin to believe the Browns aren't so much *our* team as they are an incredibly profitable business venture only.
NFL ownerships need to realize they're playing a dangerous game milking every dollar from their bases that the delicate connection of fans and community identity --> team can be in question. Sports are something that helps bring us together. We've really gotten away from that.
I don't disagree but evidently NFL owners feel like they have a great deal more price elasticity with their product, and they probably do. I know the Browns have a waiting list for seats. If you can do that after the last 20 years and have a base of fans already paying higher prices on the after market sites, they can do that. He will sell the seats, at least a great many of them. I don't blame owners. Owners sell their product for as much as they can just like players demand as much as they can.
I'd like it if they were still $30 tickets to a game just like I would like it if rib eye steaks were still $7.99 a lb. and movie tickets were still $3.
Those days are gone.
The problem is NFL teams only play 8.5 games a year and in no way can they match the number of games in a season to spread out costs like the other pro leagues.
I don't disagree but evidently NFL owners feel like they have a great deal more price elasticity with their product, and they probably do. I know the Browns have a waiting list for seats. If you can do that after the last 20 years and have a base of fans already paying higher prices on the after market sites, they can do that. He will sell the seats, at least a great many of them. I don't blame owners. Owners sell their product for as much as they can just like players demand as much as they can.
I'd like it if they were still $30 tickets to a game just like I would like it if rib eye steaks were still $7.99 a lb. and movie tickets were still $3.
Those days are gone.
The problem is NFL teams only play 8.5 games a year and in no way can they match the number of games in a season to spread out costs like the other pro leagues.
You're right about the tickets, though there is a category I'm wondering about which might severely inflate that list - resale.
I personnally know four people with season tickets. They resale half of them, the bulk of those resales over face value.
Two other people I know bought medicore season tickets with the sole purpose of marking them up for profit.
Obviously I don't have access to those numbers. But I'm positive my experience isn't unique.
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Yesterday, as I was paying for the month of music lessons for my two grandboys I realized that......back 60 years ago when my parents paid for my 1/2 hour lesson it was #3.50. Today it costs 10 times that.
It should warm the cockles of your heart - perhaps all the way to the subcockle region - that it has never been a better time to be filthy rich, though.
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I don't disagree but evidently NFL owners feel like they have a great deal more price elasticity with their product, and they probably do. I know the Browns have a waiting list for seats. If you can do that after the last 20 years and have a base of fans already paying higher prices on the after market sites, they can do that. He will sell the seats, at least a great many of them. I don't blame owners. Owners sell their product for as much as they can just like players demand as much as they can.
I'd like it if they were still $30 tickets to a game just like I would like it if rib eye steaks were still $7.99 a lb. and movie tickets were still $3.
Those days are gone.
The problem is NFL teams only play 8.5 games a year and in no way can they match the number of games in a season to spread out costs like the other pro leagues.
You're right about the tickets, though there is a category I'm wondering about which might severely inflate that list - resale.
I personnally know four people with season tickets. They resale half of them, the bulk of those resales over face value.
Two other people I know bought medicore season tickets with the sole purpose of marking them up for profit.
Obviously I don't have access to those numbers. But I'm positive my experience isn't unique.
You're right about the tickets, though there is a category I'm wondering about which might severely inflate that list - resale.
I personnally know four people with season tickets. They resale half of them, the bulk of those resales over face value.
Two other people I know bought medicore season tickets with the sole purpose of marking them up for profit.
Obviously I don't have access to those numbers. But I'm positive my experience isn't unique.
How is that possible with this team?
My buddy who had season tickets (he stopped after last season) said that he could barely give away his tickets most times. The only time he actually made some scratch was when he sold the Jets Thursday night game tickets in 2023.
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Traditional scalping was easier for the seller to turn a profit. You could go to a game 15/20 years ago walk around the tailgate lots buy/sell/buy/sell/buy and end up with very little or nothing out of your pocket and have game tickets.
Now with stubhub and other online outlets most will go to the game with tickets on their phone in advance. I take the opposite approach I attend a Browns game each year, Padres often and I don’t buy a ticket until morning of the game and from what I can see the seller isn’t getting face value and by the time they incur fees they are eating costs.
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My nephew has 6 Broncos season tickets. He sells 4 and keeps the best two. The resale profit pays for those two and gives him a handsome amount of $$. He's had them over 30 years, but Broncos games always sell out and there is a long waiting list for season tickets. He was lucky enough to start this that long ago and keep up the same level of tickets all that time.
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You're right about the tickets, though there is a category I'm wondering about which might severely inflate that list - resale.
I personnally know four people with season tickets. They resale half of them, the bulk of those resales over face value.
Two other people I know bought medicore season tickets with the sole purpose of marking them up for profit.
Obviously I don't have access to those numbers. But I'm positive my experience isn't unique.
How is that possible with this team?
My buddy who had season tickets (he stopped after last season) said that he could barely give away his tickets most times. The only time he actually made some scratch was when he sold the Jets Thursday night game tickets in 2023.
How is that possible with this team?
Do we not brag about having the the most loyal and dedicated fans? Football is the heartbeat of Ohio.
If this team is even remotely competitive, or the weather is decent, fans pack seats.
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