Browns getting some Pre Season National Love
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Do I think he's fantastic? No. But he is the best coach they've had since the restart. He's learned to not gamble on 4th down so much, for example.
That may be, but it it like saying smelling a half a cow turd is better than smelling a whole cow turd in a pasture. Stupanski is bailed out by the terrific defense and coordinator.
Any time he is interviewed, he's boring. At least Rees has a chance to influence some ways the offense "works" under Stupanski.
Maybe...
Stupanski is bailed out by the terrific defense and coordinator.
For anyone following along.
Stefanski has won more playoff games carrying a piss poor IDL and Joe Woods, nearly getting to the AFC title game - than he has with Coach Schwartz.
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For anyone following along.
Stefanski has won more playoff games carrying a piss poor IDL and Joe Woods, nearly getting to the AFC title game - than he has with Coach Schwartz.
big deal - Baker Mayfield was the qb of one of those playoff wins - the Steelers big win. The Browns had the talent to win the Division, but no. Haven't won games they need to win.
It hasn't been the defense, that is the point. It has been the offense.
Stefanski's playcalling - he doesn't get how to fool defenses. He doesn't seem to have the instincts for it.
After Baker and co beat the Steelers, they lost to the Chiefs, 22-17. The Browns had the talent on both sides of the ball, the defense rocked, but....the difference was Stefanski and his playcalling. His playcalling has been called out by many.
Sep 23, 2024The Cleveland Browns' 21-15 loss to the New York Giants on Sunday has reignited concerns over head coach Kevin Stefanski's rigid play-calling, raising questions about his ability to adapt mid-game and what it could mean for the team's future success.https://www.profootballnetwork.com/fed-up-browns-analyst-rips-berry-stefanski-scathing-rant/
‘People Are Fed Up’ — Browns Analyst Rips GM Andrew Berry, HC Kevin Stefanski in Scathing Rant
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For anyone following along.
Stefanski has won more playoff games carrying a piss poor IDL and Joe Woods, nearly getting to the AFC title game - than he has with Coach Schwartz.
big deal - Baker Mayfield was the qb of one of those playoff wins - the Steelers big win. The Browns had the talent to win the Division, but no. Haven't won games they need to win.
It hasn't been the defense, that is the point. It has been the offense.
Stefanski's playcalling - he doesn't get how to fool defenses. He doesn't seem to have the instincts for it.
After Baker and co beat the Steelers, they lost to the Chiefs, 22-17. The Browns had the talent on both sides of the ball, the defense rocked, but....the difference was Stefanski and his playcalling. His playcalling has been called out by many.
Sep 23, 2024The Cleveland Browns' 21-15 loss to the New York Giants on Sunday has reignited concerns over head coach Kevin Stefanski's rigid play-calling, raising questions about his ability to adapt mid-game and what it could mean for the team's future success.https://www.profootballnetwork.com/fed-up-browns-analyst-rips-berry-stefanski-scathing-rant/
‘People Are Fed Up’ — Browns Analyst Rips GM Andrew Berry, HC Kevin Stefanski in Scathing Rant
big deal - Baker Mayfield was the qb of one of those playoff wins - the Steelers big win. The Browns had the talent to win the Division, but no. Haven't won games they need to win.
It hasn't been the defense, that is the point. It has been the offense.
Stefanski's playcalling - he doesn't get how to fool defenses. He doesn't seem to have the instincts for it.
After Baker and co beat the Steelers, they lost to the Chiefs, 22-17. The Browns had the talent on both sides of the ball, the defense rocked, but....the difference was Stefanski and his playcalling. His playcalling has been called out by many.
Sep 23, 2024The Cleveland Browns' 21-15 loss to the New York Giants on Sunday has reignited concerns over head coach Kevin Stefanski's rigid play-calling, raising questions about his ability to adapt mid-game and what it could mean for the team's future success.https://www.profootballnetwork.com/fed-up-browns-analyst-rips-berry-stefanski-scathing-rant/
‘People Are Fed Up’ — Browns Analyst Rips GM Andrew Berry, HC Kevin Stefanski in Scathing Rant
The difference in the KC game was the inability of the defense to stop Chad Hennie, and a blown call by the refs.
The Houston playoff game, well the defense didn't ever get on the plane. Horrible game.
I hate flashing back, but it seems that as a Browns fan, it's what we do.
Can we please move on from Baker? I liked him, but he grew up after he left here. Good for him.
Let's focus on 2025. Will the offensive line be above average? Will the QB(s) gel with the receivers? Will the defense be better?
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big deal - Baker Mayfield was the qb of one of those playoff wins - the Steelers big win. The Browns had the talent to win the Division, but no. Haven't won games they need to win.
It hasn't been the defense, that is the point. It has been the offense.
Stefanski's playcalling - he doesn't get how to fool defenses. He doesn't seem to have the instincts for it.
After Baker and co beat the Steelers, they lost to the Chiefs, 22-17. The Browns had the talent on both sides of the ball, the defense rocked, but....the difference was Stefanski and his playcalling. His playcalling has been called out by many.
Sep 23, 2024The Cleveland Browns' 21-15 loss to the New York Giants on Sunday has reignited concerns over head coach Kevin Stefanski's rigid play-calling, raising questions about his ability to adapt mid-game and what it could mean for the team's future success.https://www.profootballnetwork.com/fed-up-browns-analyst-rips-berry-stefanski-scathing-rant/
‘People Are Fed Up’ — Browns Analyst Rips GM Andrew Berry, HC Kevin Stefanski in Scathing Rant
The difference in the KC game was the inability of the defense to stop Chad Hennie, and a blown call by the refs.
The Houston playoff game, well the defense didn't ever get on the plane. Horrible game.
I hate flashing back, but it seems that as a Browns fan, it's what we do.
Can we please move on from Baker? I liked him, but he grew up after he left here. Good for him.
Let's focus on 2025. Will the offensive line be above average? Will the QB(s) gel with the receivers? Will the defense be better?
he difference in the KC game was the inability of the defense to stop Chad Hennie, and a blown call by the refs.
The Houston playoff game, well the defense didn't ever get on the plane. Horrible game.
I hate flashing back, but it seems that as a Browns fan, it's what we do.
Can we please move on from Baker? I liked him, but he grew up after he left here. Good for him.
Let's focus on 2025. Will the offensive line be above average? Will the QB(s) gel with the receivers? Will the defense be better?
Not so fast - Nick Chubb was only 13 carries, for 69 yards. Stefanski wanted to run to set up the pass. That is the difference in the whole game. And I didn't bring up the playoffs games, that is in the past, too.
In 2024, the Browns got blasted by Houston - 45-14. Kareem Hunt was 8 for 26. Jerome Ford was 9 for 17 yards. Two INTS, sacked for 39 yards. 0 for 4 fourth down conversions. I don't blame Flacco - he was 34 completions in 46 attempts.
The blame goes to Stefanski. They held onto the ball so pitifully they only scored 14 points? That game, the defense was also a disaster.
Again, Stefanski openly wants to run to set up the pass. Poor rushing, again.
It's Stefanski.
Teams seem to be keying on his playcalling, and his serious lack of pre-snap motion. I mean, going on fourth down four times and failing every time?
He doesn't do adjustments during a game well. I say he just doesn't have the instincts for smart football.
This. His play calling assumes perfect execution, he doesn't seem to account for his personnel limitations. That's why it's frustrating to see him not make adjustments based upon situational football. Like 3rd and short with game on the balance with PJ Walker, despite a good play call, he doesn't consider that the guys is not a-
During his postgame press conference, Garrett lamented several times that the Browns didn't make the necessary adjustments to the Patriots' attack. They converted 7-of-9 third downs (77.8% ...
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Kevin Stefanski has a lot to prove in the 2023 season. D'Qwell Jackson believes he failed to make proper in-game adjustments during the 2022 season, can that be.... -
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big deal - Baker Mayfield was the qb of one of those playoff wins - the Steelers big win. The Browns had the talent to win the Division, but no. Haven't won games they need to win.
It hasn't been the defense, that is the point. It has been the offense.
Stefanski's playcalling - he doesn't get how to fool defenses. He doesn't seem to have the instincts for it.
After Baker and co beat the Steelers, they lost to the Chiefs, 22-17. The Browns had the talent on both sides of the ball, the defense rocked, but....the difference was Stefanski and his playcalling. His playcalling has been called out by many.
Sep 23, 2024The Cleveland Browns' 21-15 loss to the New York Giants on Sunday has reignited concerns over head coach Kevin Stefanski's rigid play-calling, raising questions about his ability to adapt mid-game and what it could mean for the team's future success.https://www.profootballnetwork.com/fed-up-browns-analyst-rips-berry-stefanski-scathing-rant/
‘People Are Fed Up’ — Browns Analyst Rips GM Andrew Berry, HC Kevin Stefanski in Scathing Rant
The difference in the KC game was the inability of the defense to stop Chad Hennie, and a blown call by the refs.
The Houston playoff game, well the defense didn't ever get on the plane. Horrible game.
I hate flashing back, but it seems that as a Browns fan, it's what we do.
Can we please move on from Baker? I liked him, but he grew up after he left here. Good for him.
Let's focus on 2025. Will the offensive line be above average? Will the QB(s) gel with the receivers? Will the defense be better?
Let's focus on 2025. Will the offensive line be above average? Will the QB(s) gel with the receivers? Will the defense be better?
The offensive line has a chance to be dominant - depends on Dawand staying healthy at LT. and, of course, it depends on stefanski somehow learning how to call plays to fool defenses, which is doubtful.
The defensive line will surely be dominant - going to be awesome to watch. The addition of Graham makes them dynamic - puts Garrett in excellent position to avoid double teams. Graham can terrorize in the pass and hte run game.Linebackers, not sure, but they may very well surprise us all. The secondary - major weak link is emerson, imgo, ... it should be interesting.
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he difference in the KC game was the inability of the defense to stop Chad Hennie, and a blown call by the refs.
The Houston playoff game, well the defense didn't ever get on the plane. Horrible game.
I hate flashing back, but it seems that as a Browns fan, it's what we do.
Can we please move on from Baker? I liked him, but he grew up after he left here. Good for him.
Let's focus on 2025. Will the offensive line be above average? Will the QB(s) gel with the receivers? Will the defense be better?
Not so fast - Nick Chubb was only 13 carries, for 69 yards. Stefanski wanted to run to set up the pass. That is the difference in the whole game. And I didn't bring up the playoffs games, that is in the past, too.
In 2024, the Browns got blasted by Houston - 45-14. Kareem Hunt was 8 for 26. Jerome Ford was 9 for 17 yards. Two INTS, sacked for 39 yards. 0 for 4 fourth down conversions. I don't blame Flacco - he was 34 completions in 46 attempts.
The blame goes to Stefanski. They held onto the ball so pitifully they only scored 14 points? That game, the defense was also a disaster.
Again, Stefanski openly wants to run to set up the pass. Poor rushing, again.
It's Stefanski.
Teams seem to be keying on his playcalling, and his serious lack of pre-snap motion. I mean, going on fourth down four times and failing every time?
He doesn't do adjustments during a game well. I say he just doesn't have the instincts for smart football.
This. His play calling assumes perfect execution, he doesn't seem to account for his personnel limitations. That's why it's frustrating to see him not make adjustments based upon situational football. Like 3rd and short with game on the balance with PJ Walker, despite a good play call, he doesn't consider that the guys is not a-
During his postgame press conference, Garrett lamented several times that the Browns didn't make the necessary adjustments to the Patriots' attack. They converted 7-of-9 third downs (77.8% ...
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Kevin Stefanski has a lot to prove in the 2023 season. D'Qwell Jackson believes he failed to make proper in-game adjustments during the 2022 season, can that be....Not so fast - Nick Chubb was only 13 carries, for 69 yards. Stefanski wanted to run to set up the pass. That is the difference in the whole game. And I didn't bring up the playoffs games, that is in the past, too.
In 2024, the Browns got blasted by Houston - 45-14. Kareem Hunt was 8 for 26. Jerome Ford was 9 for 17 yards. Two INTS, sacked for 39 yards. 0 for 4 fourth down conversions. I don't blame Flacco - he was 34 completions in 46 attempts.
The blame goes to Stefanski. They held onto the ball so pitifully they only scored 14 points? That game, the defense was also a disaster.
Again, Stefanski openly wants to run to set up the pass. Poor rushing, again.
It's Stefanski.
Teams seem to be keying on his playcalling, and his serious lack of pre-snap motion. I mean, going on fourth down four times and failing every time?
He doesn't do adjustments during a game well. I say he just doesn't have the instincts for smart football.
This. His play calling assumes perfect execution, he doesn't seem to account for his personnel limitations. That's why it's frustrating to see him not make adjustments based upon situational football. Like 3rd and short with game on the balance with PJ Walker, despite a good play call, he doesn't consider that the guys is not a-
During his postgame press conference, Garrett lamented several times that the Browns didn't make the necessary adjustments to the Patriots' attack. They converted 7-of-9 third downs (77.8% ...
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Kevin Stefanski has a lot to prove in the 2023 season. D'Qwell Jackson believes he failed to make proper in-game adjustments during the 2022 season, can that be....This may never end, I'm kind of laughing at the Reddit link honestly- I like our little haven here, I'm not going to read more insane fan takes (yeah, I've had my share myself).
The link below shows the (sadness) records of all Browns head coaches. Like I said, Stefanski isn't great but he's shown he can lead.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/cle/coaches.htm
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This probably will end soon, otherwise it gets boring. I'm laughing at the list with comparing half a cowpie with other whole cowpies, to show a half a cowpie was the best smelling cowpie...whatever, lol.
The truth is, here's a list of active head coaches in the NFL.
(Can you hear me now?) lol
https://www.footballdb.com/coaches/index.html
Listed below are the Overall Career Records for current NFL Head Coaches. Only NFL games are included in these results. NOTE: the winning percentage is the criteria for the order:
Overall Record Service Championships Name Gms W L T Pct Yrs Post DIV CON LG SB A. Reid KC 465 301 163 1 0.648 27 20 15 6 3 3 M. Tomlin PIT 311 191 118 2 0.617 19 12 7 2 1 1 J. Harbaugh BAL 300 185 115 0 0.617 18 12 6 1 1 1 P. Carroll LV 313 181 131 1 0.580 19 12 6 2 1 1 S. Payton DEN 293 179 114 0 0.611 18 10 7 1 1 1 S. McDermott BUF 145 93 52 0 0.641 9 7 5 0 0 0 S. McVay LA 145 88 57 0 0.607 9 6 4 2 1 1 K. Shanahan SF 144 78 66 0 0.542 9 4 3 2 0 0 M. LaFleur GB 108 70 38 0 0.648 7 5 3 0 0 0 J. Harbaugh LAC 90 60 29 1 0.672 6 4 2 1 0 0 D. Quinn WAS 110 60 50 0 0.545 8 3 1 1 0 0 M. Vrabel NE 104 56 48 0 0.538 7 3 2 0 0 0 N. Sirianni PHI 77 54 23 0 0.701 5 4 2 2 1 1 T. Bowles TB 122 54 68 0 0.443 9 3 3 0 0 0 Z. Taylor CIN 106 51 54 1 0.486 7 2 2 1 0 0 D. Campbell DET 84 46 37 1 0.554 6 2 2 0 0 0 K. Stefanski CLE 87 41 46 0 0.471 6 2 0 0 0 0
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This probably will end soon, otherwise it gets boring. I'm laughing at the list with comparing half a cowpie with other whole cowpies, to show a half a cowpie was the best smelling cowpie...whatever, lol.
The truth is, here's a list of active head coaches in the NFL.
(Can you hear me now?) lol
https://www.footballdb.com/coaches/index.html
Listed below are the Overall Career Records for current NFL Head Coaches. Only NFL games are included in these results. NOTE: the winning percentage is the criteria for the order:
Overall Record Service Championships Name Gms W L T Pct Yrs Post DIV CON LG SB A. Reid KC 465 301 163 1 0.648 27 20 15 6 3 3 M. Tomlin PIT 311 191 118 2 0.617 19 12 7 2 1 1 J. Harbaugh BAL 300 185 115 0 0.617 18 12 6 1 1 1 P. Carroll LV 313 181 131 1 0.580 19 12 6 2 1 1 S. Payton DEN 293 179 114 0 0.611 18 10 7 1 1 1 S. McDermott BUF 145 93 52 0 0.641 9 7 5 0 0 0 S. McVay LA 145 88 57 0 0.607 9 6 4 2 1 1 K. Shanahan SF 144 78 66 0 0.542 9 4 3 2 0 0 M. LaFleur GB 108 70 38 0 0.648 7 5 3 0 0 0 J. Harbaugh LAC 90 60 29 1 0.672 6 4 2 1 0 0 D. Quinn WAS 110 60 50 0 0.545 8 3 1 1 0 0 M. Vrabel NE 104 56 48 0 0.538 7 3 2 0 0 0 N. Sirianni PHI 77 54 23 0 0.701 5 4 2 2 1 1 T. Bowles TB 122 54 68 0 0.443 9 3 3 0 0 0 Z. Taylor CIN 106 51 54 1 0.486 7 2 2 1 0 0 D. Campbell DET 84 46 37 1 0.554 6 2 2 0 0 0 K. Stefanski CLE 87 41 46 0 0.471 6 2 0 0 0 0
Overall Record Service Championships Name Gms W L T Pct Yrs Post DIV CON LG SB A. Reid KC 465 301 163 1 0.648 27 20 15 6 3 3 M. Tomlin PIT 311 191 118 2 0.617 19 12 7 2 1 1 J. Harbaugh BAL 300 185 115 0 0.617 18 12 6 1 1 1 P. Carroll LV 313 181 131 1 0.580 19 12 6 2 1 1 S. Payton DEN 293 179 114 0 0.611 18 10 7 1 1 1 S. McDermott BUF 145 93 52 0 0.641 9 7 5 0 0 0 S. McVay LA 145 88 57 0 0.607 9 6 4 2 1 1 K. Shanahan SF 144 78 66 0 0.542 9 4 3 2 0 0 M. LaFleur GB 108 70 38 0 0.648 7 5 3 0 0 0 J. Harbaugh LAC 90 60 29 1 0.672 6 4 2 1 0 0 D. Quinn WAS 110 60 50 0 0.545 8 3 1 1 0 0 M. Vrabel NE 104 56 48 0 0.538 7 3 2 0 0 0 N. Sirianni PHI 77 54 23 0 0.701 5 4 2 2 1 1 T. Bowles TB 122 54 68 0 0.443 9 3 3 0 0 0 Z. Taylor CIN 106 51 54 1 0.486 7 2 2 1 0 0 D. Campbell DET 84 46 37 1 0.554 6 2 2 0 0 0 K. Stefanski CLE 87 41 46 0 0.471 6 2 0 0 0 0
Fair enough, let's cherry pick this. No need to compare Stefanski to Reid, Tomlin, or Pete Carroll, as one could argue they're elite (well, Carroll screwed up a Super Bowl).
Stefanski took a team to the playoffs using 5 QBs, that's impressive. I doubt anyone else on this list could do that.
- Most fans in Buffalo want McDermott gone, while forgetting that before he arrived, they had a 17 year playoff drought.
- Kyle Shanahan gets a lot of love, yet the 49ers are only good every other year, and he got pass-happy with a 28-3 Super Bowl lead. I wish he didn't get run out of town by Ray Farmer, bad move by Cle.
- Jim Harbaugh-kind of an enigma but he does motivate his teams. The scUM cheating scandal is something that he will never shake.
- Vrabel- let's see what he does in New England. His time in Tennessee was pretty good, even though his QBs weren't so hot and they gave away AJ Brown.
- Taylor in Cincy, I'd argue he's done way less than Stefanski with a lot more firepower. Burrow bails him out.
- Bowles- not as bad as his record looks. His time with the Jets skews his record.
- LaFleur- solid coach, although the Pack gets a lot of "help" like the current KC Chiefs.
- Sirianni, Payton, & Campbell are solid. McVay, elite IMHO. Dan Quinn, well I don't know, he's ok.
As you can see, I'm fine with Stefanski.
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Overall Record Service Championships Name Gms W L T Pct Yrs Post DIV CON LG SB A. Reid KC 465 301 163 1 0.648 27 20 15 6 3 3 M. Tomlin PIT 311 191 118 2 0.617 19 12 7 2 1 1 J. Harbaugh BAL 300 185 115 0 0.617 18 12 6 1 1 1 P. Carroll LV 313 181 131 1 0.580 19 12 6 2 1 1 S. Payton DEN 293 179 114 0 0.611 18 10 7 1 1 1 S. McDermott BUF 145 93 52 0 0.641 9 7 5 0 0 0 S. McVay LA 145 88 57 0 0.607 9 6 4 2 1 1 K. Shanahan SF 144 78 66 0 0.542 9 4 3 2 0 0 M. LaFleur GB 108 70 38 0 0.648 7 5 3 0 0 0 J. Harbaugh LAC 90 60 29 1 0.672 6 4 2 1 0 0 D. Quinn WAS 110 60 50 0 0.545 8 3 1 1 0 0 M. Vrabel NE 104 56 48 0 0.538 7 3 2 0 0 0 N. Sirianni PHI 77 54 23 0 0.701 5 4 2 2 1 1 T. Bowles TB 122 54 68 0 0.443 9 3 3 0 0 0 Z. Taylor CIN 106 51 54 1 0.486 7 2 2 1 0 0 D. Campbell DET 84 46 37 1 0.554 6 2 2 0 0 0 K. Stefanski CLE 87 41 46 0 0.471 6 2 0 0 0 0
Fair enough, let's cherry pick this. No need to compare Stefanski to Reid, Tomlin, or Pete Carroll, as one could argue they're elite (well, Carroll screwed up a Super Bowl).
Stefanski took a team to the playoffs using 5 QBs, that's impressive. I doubt anyone else on this list could do that.
- Most fans in Buffalo want McDermott gone, while forgetting that before he arrived, they had a 17 year playoff drought.
- Kyle Shanahan gets a lot of love, yet the 49ers are only good every other year, and he got pass-happy with a 28-3 Super Bowl lead. I wish he didn't get run out of town by Ray Farmer, bad move by Cle.
- Jim Harbaugh-kind of an enigma but he does motivate his teams. The scUM cheating scandal is something that he will never shake.
- Vrabel- let's see what he does in New England. His time in Tennessee was pretty good, even though his QBs weren't so hot and they gave away AJ Brown.
- Taylor in Cincy, I'd argue he's done way less than Stefanski with a lot more firepower. Burrow bails him out.
- Bowles- not as bad as his record looks. His time with the Jets skews his record.
- LaFleur- solid coach, although the Pack gets a lot of "help" like the current KC Chiefs.
- Sirianni, Payton, & Campbell are solid. McVay, elite IMHO. Dan Quinn, well I don't know, he's ok.
As you can see, I'm fine with Stefanski.
Fair enough, let's cherry pick this. No need to compare Stefanski to Reid, Tomlin, or Pete Carroll, as one could argue they're elite (well, Carroll screwed up a Super Bowl).
Stefanski took a team to the playoffs using 5 QBs, that's impressive. I doubt anyone else on this list could do that.
- Most fans in Buffalo want McDermott gone, while forgetting that before he arrived, they had a 17 year playoff drought.
- Kyle Shanahan gets a lot of love, yet the 49ers are only good every other year, and he got pass-happy with a 28-3 Super Bowl lead. I wish he didn't get run out of town by Ray Farmer, bad move by Cle.
- Jim Harbaugh-kind of an enigma but he does motivate his teams. The scUM cheating scandal is something that he will never shake.
- Vrabel- let's see what he does in New England. His time in Tennessee was pretty good, even though his QBs weren't so hot and they gave away AJ Brown.
- Taylor in Cincy, I'd argue he's done way less than Stefanski with a lot more firepower. Burrow bails him out.
- Bowles- not as bad as his record looks. His time with the Jets skews his record.
- LaFleur- solid coach, although the Pack gets a lot of "help" like the current KC Chiefs.
- Sirianni, Payton, & Campbell are solid. McVay, elite IMHO. Dan Quinn, well I don't know, he's ok.
As you can see, I'm fine with Stefanski.
The Browns have had TWO 11-5 seasons and one of those was Stefanski's ROOKIE year as HC. At the end of the season, they won a playoff game AT PITTSBURGH (although Haters needing to hate will caution you Stefanski missed that game with COVID).
I agree Stefanski is far from perfect given Jimmy's world that demands a lot of overcoming by any and all scapegoats that signed up for such accountability. Truth of the matter is - the Browns have consistently done far worse than Stefanski at HC. In a perfect world - you only fire a HC if you're capable of upgrading him with whom you hire to replace him. Outside of 1 FO guy convincing him to hire Stefanski - has Jimmy been good at hiring upgrades after exercising his trigger finger? Not really man!
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Fair enough, let's cherry pick this. No need to compare Stefanski to Reid, Tomlin, or Pete Carroll, as one could argue they're elite (well, Carroll screwed up a Super Bowl).
Stefanski took a team to the playoffs using 5 QBs, that's impressive. I doubt anyone else on this list could do that.
- Most fans in Buffalo want McDermott gone, while forgetting that before he arrived, they had a 17 year playoff drought.
- Kyle Shanahan gets a lot of love, yet the 49ers are only good every other year, and he got pass-happy with a 28-3 Super Bowl lead. I wish he didn't get run out of town by Ray Farmer, bad move by Cle.
- Jim Harbaugh-kind of an enigma but he does motivate his teams. The scUM cheating scandal is something that he will never shake.
- Vrabel- let's see what he does in New England. His time in Tennessee was pretty good, even though his QBs weren't so hot and they gave away AJ Brown.
- Taylor in Cincy, I'd argue he's done way less than Stefanski with a lot more firepower. Burrow bails him out.
- Bowles- not as bad as his record looks. His time with the Jets skews his record.
- LaFleur- solid coach, although the Pack gets a lot of "help" like the current KC Chiefs.
- Sirianni, Payton, & Campbell are solid. McVay, elite IMHO. Dan Quinn, well I don't know, he's ok.
As you can see, I'm fine with Stefanski.
The Browns have had TWO 11-5 seasons and one of those was Stefanski's ROOKIE year as HC. At the end of the season, they won a playoff game AT PITTSBURGH (although Haters needing to hate will caution you Stefanski missed that game with COVID).
I agree Stefanski is far from perfect given Jimmy's world that demands a lot of overcoming by any and all scapegoats that signed up for such accountability. Truth of the matter is - the Browns have consistently done far worse than Stefanski at HC. In a perfect world - you only fire a HC if you're capable of upgrading him with whom you hire to replace him. Outside of 1 FO guy convincing him to hire Stefanski - has Jimmy been good at hiring upgrades after exercising his trigger finger? Not really man!
Truth of the matter is - the Browns have consistently done far worse than Stefanski at HC. In a perfect world - you only fire a HC if you're capable of upgrading him with whom you hire to replace him. Outside of 1 FO guy convincing him to hire Stefanski - has Jimmy been good at hiring upgrades after exercising his trigger finger? Not really man!
Bingo.
Unless Haslam changes his chain-of-command structure, it's highly unlikely he'd ever woo in a "big name" coach.
Also, a word of caution- the last "big name" the Browns hired was Mike Holmgren and we know how that worked out. I know it wasn't a Haslam hire, but still...and me being petty, I truly hope that the NFL HOF keeps Holmgren out after his debacle here, it's reason enough IMHO.
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Overall Record Service Championships Name Gms W L T Pct Yrs Post DIV CON LG SB A. Reid KC 465 301 163 1 0.648 27 20 15 6 3 3 M. Tomlin PIT 311 191 118 2 0.617 19 12 7 2 1 1 J. Harbaugh BAL 300 185 115 0 0.617 18 12 6 1 1 1 P. Carroll LV 313 181 131 1 0.580 19 12 6 2 1 1 S. Payton DEN 293 179 114 0 0.611 18 10 7 1 1 1 S. McDermott BUF 145 93 52 0 0.641 9 7 5 0 0 0 S. McVay LA 145 88 57 0 0.607 9 6 4 2 1 1 K. Shanahan SF 144 78 66 0 0.542 9 4 3 2 0 0 M. LaFleur GB 108 70 38 0 0.648 7 5 3 0 0 0 J. Harbaugh LAC 90 60 29 1 0.672 6 4 2 1 0 0 D. Quinn WAS 110 60 50 0 0.545 8 3 1 1 0 0 M. Vrabel NE 104 56 48 0 0.538 7 3 2 0 0 0 N. Sirianni PHI 77 54 23 0 0.701 5 4 2 2 1 1 T. Bowles TB 122 54 68 0 0.443 9 3 3 0 0 0 Z. Taylor CIN 106 51 54 1 0.486 7 2 2 1 0 0 D. Campbell DET 84 46 37 1 0.554 6 2 2 0 0 0 K. Stefanski CLE 87 41 46 0 0.471 6 2 0 0 0 0
Fair enough, let's cherry pick this. No need to compare Stefanski to Reid, Tomlin, or Pete Carroll, as one could argue they're elite (well, Carroll screwed up a Super Bowl).
Stefanski took a team to the playoffs using 5 QBs, that's impressive. I doubt anyone else on this list could do that.
- Most fans in Buffalo want McDermott gone, while forgetting that before he arrived, they had a 17 year playoff drought.
- Kyle Shanahan gets a lot of love, yet the 49ers are only good every other year, and he got pass-happy with a 28-3 Super Bowl lead. I wish he didn't get run out of town by Ray Farmer, bad move by Cle.
- Jim Harbaugh-kind of an enigma but he does motivate his teams. The scUM cheating scandal is something that he will never shake.
- Vrabel- let's see what he does in New England. His time in Tennessee was pretty good, even though his QBs weren't so hot and they gave away AJ Brown.
- Taylor in Cincy, I'd argue he's done way less than Stefanski with a lot more firepower. Burrow bails him out.
- Bowles- not as bad as his record looks. His time with the Jets skews his record.
- LaFleur- solid coach, although the Pack gets a lot of "help" like the current KC Chiefs.
- Sirianni, Payton, & Campbell are solid. McVay, elite IMHO. Dan Quinn, well I don't know, he's ok.
As you can see, I'm fine with Stefanski.
Fair enough, let's cherry pick this. No need to compare Stefanski to Reid, Tomlin, or Pete Carroll, as one could argue they're elite (well, Carroll screwed up a Super Bowl).
Stefanski took a team to the playoffs using 5 QBs, that's impressive. I doubt anyone else on this list could do that.
- Most fans in Buffalo want McDermott gone, while forgetting that before he arrived, they had a 17 year playoff drought.
- Kyle Shanahan gets a lot of love, yet the 49ers are only good every other year, and he got pass-happy with a 28-3 Super Bowl lead. I wish he didn't get run out of town by Ray Farmer, bad move by Cle.
- Jim Harbaugh-kind of an enigma but he does motivate his teams. The scUM cheating scandal is something that he will never shake.
- Vrabel- let's see what he does in New England. His time in Tennessee was pretty good, even though his QBs weren't so hot and they gave away AJ Brown.
- Taylor in Cincy, I'd argue he's done way less than Stefanski with a lot more firepower. Burrow bails him out.
- Bowles- not as bad as his record looks. His time with the Jets skews his record.
- LaFleur- solid coach, although the Pack gets a lot of "help" like the current KC Chiefs.
- Sirianni, Payton, & Campbell are solid. McVay, elite IMHO. Dan Quinn, well I don't know, he's ok.
As you can see, I'm fine with Stefanski.
You waste too much time in this. I have nothing against the disability community, but people shouldn't argue with autistic folks.
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Fair enough, let's cherry pick this. No need to compare Stefanski to Reid, Tomlin, or Pete Carroll, as one could argue they're elite (well, Carroll screwed up a Super Bowl).
Stefanski took a team to the playoffs using 5 QBs, that's impressive. I doubt anyone else on this list could do that.
- Most fans in Buffalo want McDermott gone, while forgetting that before he arrived, they had a 17 year playoff drought.
- Kyle Shanahan gets a lot of love, yet the 49ers are only good every other year, and he got pass-happy with a 28-3 Super Bowl lead. I wish he didn't get run out of town by Ray Farmer, bad move by Cle.
- Jim Harbaugh-kind of an enigma but he does motivate his teams. The scUM cheating scandal is something that he will never shake.
- Vrabel- let's see what he does in New England. His time in Tennessee was pretty good, even though his QBs weren't so hot and they gave away AJ Brown.
- Taylor in Cincy, I'd argue he's done way less than Stefanski with a lot more firepower. Burrow bails him out.
- Bowles- not as bad as his record looks. His time with the Jets skews his record.
- LaFleur- solid coach, although the Pack gets a lot of "help" like the current KC Chiefs.
- Sirianni, Payton, & Campbell are solid. McVay, elite IMHO. Dan Quinn, well I don't know, he's ok.
As you can see, I'm fine with Stefanski.
You waste too much time in this. I have nothing against the disability community, but people shouldn't argue with autistic folks.
You waste too much time in this. I have nothing against the disability community, but people shouldn't argue with autistic folks.
you still mad that you proved yourself to be a fake arrogant NFL expert, laddie? Not my fault you called Mayfield garbage and he's a huge star down in Tampa Bay, making you embarrassed , while demanding no one talk about him anymore. lol
Former NFL safety and ESPN analyst Ryan Clark has declared Baker Mayfield as "a top 10 quarterback." Clark offered this strong endorsement while highlighting the Tampa Bay Buccaneers' potential heading into the 2025 season.
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You waste too much time in this. I have nothing against the disability community, but people shouldn't argue with autistic folks.
you still mad that you proved yourself to be a fake arrogant NFL expert, laddie? Not my fault you called Mayfield garbage and he's a huge star down in Tampa Bay, making you embarrassed , while demanding no one talk about him anymore. lol
Former NFL safety and ESPN analyst Ryan Clark has declared Baker Mayfield as "a top 10 quarterback." Clark offered this strong endorsement while highlighting the Tampa Bay Buccaneers' potential heading into the 2025 season.
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Fair enough, let's cherry pick this. No need to compare Stefanski to Reid, Tomlin, or Pete Carroll, as one could argue they're elite (well, Carroll screwed up a Super Bowl).
Stefanski took a team to the playoffs using 5 QBs, that's impressive. I doubt anyone else on this list could do that.
- Most fans in Buffalo want McDermott gone, while forgetting that before he arrived, they had a 17 year playoff drought.
- Kyle Shanahan gets a lot of love, yet the 49ers are only good every other year, and he got pass-happy with a 28-3 Super Bowl lead. I wish he didn't get run out of town by Ray Farmer, bad move by Cle.
- Jim Harbaugh-kind of an enigma but he does motivate his teams. The scUM cheating scandal is something that he will never shake.
- Vrabel- let's see what he does in New England. His time in Tennessee was pretty good, even though his QBs weren't so hot and they gave away AJ Brown.
- Taylor in Cincy, I'd argue he's done way less than Stefanski with a lot more firepower. Burrow bails him out.
- Bowles- not as bad as his record looks. His time with the Jets skews his record.
- LaFleur- solid coach, although the Pack gets a lot of "help" like the current KC Chiefs.
- Sirianni, Payton, & Campbell are solid. McVay, elite IMHO. Dan Quinn, well I don't know, he's ok.
As you can see, I'm fine with Stefanski.
You waste too much time in this. I have nothing against the disability community, but people shouldn't argue with autistic folks.
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Overall Record Service Championships Name Gms W L T Pct Yrs Post DIV CON LG SB A. Reid KC 465 301 163 1 0.648 27 20 15 6 3 3 M. Tomlin PIT 311 191 118 2 0.617 19 12 7 2 1 1 J. Harbaugh BAL 300 185 115 0 0.617 18 12 6 1 1 1 P. Carroll LV 313 181 131 1 0.580 19 12 6 2 1 1 S. Payton DEN 293 179 114 0 0.611 18 10 7 1 1 1 S. McDermott BUF 145 93 52 0 0.641 9 7 5 0 0 0 S. McVay LA 145 88 57 0 0.607 9 6 4 2 1 1 K. Shanahan SF 144 78 66 0 0.542 9 4 3 2 0 0 M. LaFleur GB 108 70 38 0 0.648 7 5 3 0 0 0 J. Harbaugh LAC 90 60 29 1 0.672 6 4 2 1 0 0 D. Quinn WAS 110 60 50 0 0.545 8 3 1 1 0 0 M. Vrabel NE 104 56 48 0 0.538 7 3 2 0 0 0 N. Sirianni PHI 77 54 23 0 0.701 5 4 2 2 1 1 T. Bowles TB 122 54 68 0 0.443 9 3 3 0 0 0 Z. Taylor CIN 106 51 54 1 0.486 7 2 2 1 0 0 D. Campbell DET 84 46 37 1 0.554 6 2 2 0 0 0 K. Stefanski CLE 87 41 46 0 0.471 6 2 0 0 0 0
Fair enough, let's cherry pick this. No need to compare Stefanski to Reid, Tomlin, or Pete Carroll, as one could argue they're elite (well, Carroll screwed up a Super Bowl).
Stefanski took a team to the playoffs using 5 QBs, that's impressive. I doubt anyone else on this list could do that.
- Most fans in Buffalo want McDermott gone, while forgetting that before he arrived, they had a 17 year playoff drought.
- Kyle Shanahan gets a lot of love, yet the 49ers are only good every other year, and he got pass-happy with a 28-3 Super Bowl lead. I wish he didn't get run out of town by Ray Farmer, bad move by Cle.
- Jim Harbaugh-kind of an enigma but he does motivate his teams. The scUM cheating scandal is something that he will never shake.
- Vrabel- let's see what he does in New England. His time in Tennessee was pretty good, even though his QBs weren't so hot and they gave away AJ Brown.
- Taylor in Cincy, I'd argue he's done way less than Stefanski with a lot more firepower. Burrow bails him out.
- Bowles- not as bad as his record looks. His time with the Jets skews his record.
- LaFleur- solid coach, although the Pack gets a lot of "help" like the current KC Chiefs.
- Sirianni, Payton, & Campbell are solid. McVay, elite IMHO. Dan Quinn, well I don't know, he's ok.
As you can see, I'm fine with Stefanski.
Kyle Shanahan.......I wish he didn't get run out of town by Ray Farmer, bad move by Cle.
Actually, he wasn't run out of town. He told the organization, You guys are effed up. I'm not coaching here any more so let me out of my contract! That's how bad things can get in Cleveland with Haslam & DePodesta. Right now I'm not in favor of tossing out what we have in order to put those two back on the clock.
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Kyle Shanahan.......I wish he didn't get run out of town by Ray Farmer, bad move by Cle.
Actually, he wasn't run out of town. He told the organization, You guys are effed up. I'm not coaching here any more so let me out of my contract! That's how bad things can get in Cleveland with Haslam & DePodesta. Right now I'm not in favor of tossing out what we have in order to put those two back on the clock.
Actually, he wasn't run out of town. He told the organization, You guys are effed up. I'm not coaching here any more so let me out of my contract! That's how bad things can get in Cleveland with Haslam & DePodesta. Right now I'm not in favor of tossing out what we have in order to put those two back on the clock.
I maintain the greatest sin of any Front Office and Ownership in the last 25 years was choosing Pettine and Manziel over Shanahan and Hoyer.
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Kyle Shanahan.......I wish he didn't get run out of town by Ray Farmer, bad move by Cle.
Actually, he wasn't run out of town. He told the organization, You guys are effed up. I'm not coaching here any more so let me out of my contract! That's how bad things can get in Cleveland with Haslam & DePodesta. Right now I'm not in favor of tossing out what we have in order to put those two back on the clock.
Actually, he wasn't run out of town. He told the organization, You guys are effed up. I'm not coaching here any more so let me out of my contract! That's how bad things can get in Cleveland with Haslam & DePodesta. Right now I'm not in favor of tossing out what we have in order to put those two back on the clock.
Yeah maybe my memory isn't great on this. I thought he did the famous power point presentation after the Pettine staff was canned.
He's a brilliant offensive mind, but maybe not a "complete" coach.
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Actually, he wasn't run out of town. He told the organization, You guys are effed up. I'm not coaching here any more so let me out of my contract! That's how bad things can get in Cleveland with Haslam & DePodesta. Right now I'm not in favor of tossing out what we have in order to put those two back on the clock.
I maintain the greatest sin of any Front Office and Ownership in the last 25 years was choosing Pettine and Manziel over Shanahan and Hoyer.
I maintain the greatest sin of any Front Office and Ownership in the last 25 years was choosing Pettine and Manziel over Shanahan and Hoyer.
Another "what-if" would be Kitchens over Greg Williams.
Williams had them playing penalty-free & sound football, I always wondered why he wasn't really considered. Some said that Williams' approach could burn players out, I guess we will never know.
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my bad, I should have said "lassie".......
Careful, you're infringing on patent and/or copy rights of a certain idol of yours now.?
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