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    @dutch-oven said:

    But if you didn’t watch the Browns we would all miss out on your highly intelligent thoughts. 
     

    agree with Dutch as I was thinking the same thing. why did they waste a 3rd on Dillon ?

    @syd said:

    agree with Dutch as I was thinking the same thing. why did they waste a 3rd on Dillon 

    Dillon is worth a pick - but a day 3 one.  Early assessment is not great in terms of draft capital spent. 

  • @syd said:

    agree with Dutch as I was thinking the same thing. why did they waste a 3rd on Dillon 

    Dillon is worth a pick - but a day 3 one.  Early assessment is not great in terms of draft capital spent. 

    @tiamat63 said:

    Dillon is worth a pick - but a day 3 one.  Early assessment is not great in terms of draft capital spent. 

    And I heard/read someone from the Browns said something along the lines of: 

    "We grabbed Dillon in the 3rd because it was apparent he wasn't going to last much longer"

    Then let another team make the stupid move, dipshits. 

  • @tiamat63 said:

    Dillon is worth a pick - but a day 3 one.  Early assessment is not great in terms of draft capital spent. 

    And I heard/read someone from the Browns said something along the lines of: 

    "We grabbed Dillon in the 3rd because it was apparent he wasn't going to last much longer"

    Then let another team make the stupid move, dipshits. 

    @dutch-oven said:

    And I heard/read someone from the Browns said something along the lines of: 

    "We grabbed Dillon in the 3rd because it was apparent he wasn't going to last much longer"

    Then let another team make the stupid move, dipshits. 

    "Glittering prizes"  

     I believe there's a certain amount of over or under valuation through proximity with prospects at time.

     A group think, so to speak.    Whether that other teams valuation of said prospect was legit or smoke screen.  

  • @tiamat63 said:

    Dillon is worth a pick - but a day 3 one.  Early assessment is not great in terms of draft capital spent. 

    And I heard/read someone from the Browns said something along the lines of: 

    "We grabbed Dillon in the 3rd because it was apparent he wasn't going to last much longer"

    Then let another team make the stupid move, dipshits. 

    @dutch-oven said:

    Then let another team make the stupid move, dipshits. 

    You can call them dipshits.  And you might be right in doing so.  But it was their plan to draft him.  They had him ranked as the #2 QB in the draft.  They got into the 3rd round and decided to nab their QB and not have to think about that position again until next year's draft.  Then, of course, Saturday happened.  

  • Welcome back to football, friends.  

    I'll be streaming the HoF game on the BrainyBallers.com    Discord.  

    https://discord.gg/wxMcDbuy  

    Anyone and everyone is welcomed to join, watch the game and talk shop with us.  We'll be on for the whole game.  

  • @dutch-oven said:

    Then let another team make the stupid move, dipshits. 

    You can call them dipshits.  And you might be right in doing so.  But it was their plan to draft him.  They had him ranked as the #2 QB in the draft.  They got into the 3rd round and decided to nab their QB and not have to think about that position again until next year's draft.  Then, of course, Saturday happened.  

    @orion said:

    You can call them dipshits.  And you might be right in doing so.  But it was their plan to draft him.  

     I notice you've mentioned this a few times.  I don't believe anyone is denying the Browns had a draft plan/strategy.  I also don't see anyone begrudging them for having a plan in place either. 

     However comma just having a plan doesn't make it ....not.....retarded. 

     You can compliment the front office and how they stuck to their strategy. Bravo.   But it was a questionable strategy.  I rarely bury anyone before they're dead, but Dillon had some serious struggles in camp that are a direct result of him being small for the QB position. 

     But the Browns figured, hey, Russell Wilson was drafted in the 3rd round, why not this one?  Because that's the extent of the logic I can find when I popped on film from Oregon. 

     The Weezy effect.  Wilson and Brees gave people a belief that height can be a rule, not an exception. 

  • @orion said:

    You can call them dipshits.  And you might be right in doing so.  But it was their plan to draft him.  

     I notice you've mentioned this a few times.  I don't believe anyone is denying the Browns had a draft plan/strategy.  I also don't see anyone begrudging them for having a plan in place either. 

     However comma just having a plan doesn't make it ....not.....retarded. 

     You can compliment the front office and how they stuck to their strategy. Bravo.   But it was a questionable strategy.  I rarely bury anyone before they're dead, but Dillon had some serious struggles in camp that are a direct result of him being small for the QB position. 

     But the Browns figured, hey, Russell Wilson was drafted in the 3rd round, why not this one?  Because that's the extent of the logic I can find when I popped on film from Oregon. 

     The Weezy effect.  Wilson and Brees gave people a belief that height can be a rule, not an exception. 

    @tiamat63 said:

     I notice you've mentioned this a few times.  I don't believe anyone is denying the Browns had a draft plan/strategy.  I also don't see anyone begrudging them for having a plan in place either. 

     However comma just having a plan doesn't make it ....not.....retarded. 

    Which is why I said to Dutch that he could call them dipshits if he wanted...and that he might be right.

    I wouldn't have drafted Gabriel.  Because I don't like little QB's.  But when Stef & Berry were watching tape of him they kept asking each other, Where does his height come into play negatively?   So they didn't see his size being a problem with him.

    As a draft unfolds, your draft plan may need to be tweaked.  We talk about them drafting 2 QB's as not being part of the plan because Sanders fell to round 5.  But does anyone think that they went into the draft planning on drafting 2 RB's?  I think that when they saw Sampson available in round 4 they shifted gears and grabbed him because he was appraised at a higher value and they were revamping the RB position anyway.  

    I wouldn't have drafted a midget QB.  But his numbers were right up there with the higher rated QB's in the draft class.

  • @tiamat63 said:

     I notice you've mentioned this a few times.  I don't believe anyone is denying the Browns had a draft plan/strategy.  I also don't see anyone begrudging them for having a plan in place either. 

     However comma just having a plan doesn't make it ....not.....retarded. 

    Which is why I said to Dutch that he could call them dipshits if he wanted...and that he might be right.

    I wouldn't have drafted Gabriel.  Because I don't like little QB's.  But when Stef & Berry were watching tape of him they kept asking each other, Where does his height come into play negatively?   So they didn't see his size being a problem with him.

    As a draft unfolds, your draft plan may need to be tweaked.  We talk about them drafting 2 QB's as not being part of the plan because Sanders fell to round 5.  But does anyone think that they went into the draft planning on drafting 2 RB's?  I think that when they saw Sampson available in round 4 they shifted gears and grabbed him because he was appraised at a higher value and they were revamping the RB position anyway.  

    I wouldn't have drafted a midget QB.  But his numbers were right up there with the higher rated QB's in the draft class.

    @orion said:

    I wouldn't have drafted a midget QB.  

    Easy with that.  Stings. 

  • @dutch-oven said:

    What did you get?

    ...I know you weren't asking me...but...  🙂 

    Last month I sold my Mercedes to CarMax.  Then bought a new Mazda CX-5.  Premium Plus trim so I could have the Heads Up Display, Adaptive Headlight and heated rear seats.  But I've spent most of today getting a couple of coats of Zaino Show Car Polish on the Vette and it's wheels.  🙂   I'm on (another) break.  I've still gotta go around it with a spray & wipe of Z6 and then a spray & wipe of Grand Finale.  

    @orion said:

    Then bought a new Mazda CX-5.  Premium Plus trim so I could have the Heads Up Display, Adaptive Headlight and heated rear seats.  

    When you add the Michelin CrossClimate2's to the CX5, it holds the road like an entirely different car.  Obviously no Vette, but the OEM's are weak sauce compared to the CrossClimate2's.  I have a 2020 CX5 with the turbo [same engine as the 2025] and just put my second pair of crossclimates on.  That tire is the top performer in all weather, not just snow&rain.  Tirerack ratings are occasionally correct.

    Tia, am I too early in calling McGuire finally the bookend opposite MG that makes DL the top strength of the team?

  • @orion said:

    Then bought a new Mazda CX-5.  Premium Plus trim so I could have the Heads Up Display, Adaptive Headlight and heated rear seats.  

    When you add the Michelin CrossClimate2's to the CX5, it holds the road like an entirely different car.  Obviously no Vette, but the OEM's are weak sauce compared to the CrossClimate2's.  I have a 2020 CX5 with the turbo [same engine as the 2025] and just put my second pair of crossclimates on.  That tire is the top performer in all weather, not just snow&rain.  Tirerack ratings are occasionally correct.

    Tia, am I too early in calling McGuire finally the bookend opposite MG that makes DL the top strength of the team?

    @unsympathetic said:

    When you add the Michelin CrossClimate2's to the CX5, it holds the road like an entirely different car.  Obviously no Vette, but the OEM's are weak sauce compared to the CrossClimate2's.  I have a 2020 CX5 with the turbo [same engine as the 2025] and just put my second pair of crossclimates on.  That tire is the top performer in all weather, not just snow&rain.  Tirerack ratings are occasionally correct.

    Tia, am I too early in calling McGuire finally the bookend opposite MG that makes DL the top strength of the team?

    I wouldn't say "bookend".  This isn't Freeney and Mathis 2.0.   But I see McGuire as a solid compliment.  I'm every bit, if not more interested in seeing what Graham, Hall and possibly Kamara bring to the interior rush.  

     If the whole thing gets going, then they'll be the top unit of the team.  (Still worried about Collins as a starter though) 

  • Denzal Ward hurt his shoulder in practice today

  • sydS syd

    Denzal Ward hurt his shoulder in practice today

    @syd said:

    Denzal Ward hurt his shoulder in practice today

    Well, of course Hospital Ward is hurt.  

  • @syd said:

    Denzal Ward hurt his shoulder in practice today

    Well, of course Hospital Ward is hurt.  

    @orion said:

    Well, of course Hospital Ward is hurt.  

    Water is wet

  • We've had 2 guys on our D that when either one is out, we are instantly noticeably worse.  Garrett and Ward.  And Ward is out 3 or 4 games per year.  I foresee us looking to sign a CB after roster cuts.

  • Martin Emerson's season ending injury has put the Browns secondary in flux. 

  • Martin Emerson's season ending injury has put the Browns secondary in flux. 

    @dutch-oven said:

    Martin Emerson's season ending injury has put the Browns secondary in flux. 

    While true, it's not like Emerson wasn't the bullseye of every opponent. Not that I put a lot of stock in PFF; but Emerson's PFF score was 47.9 last year. This ranked him 194th out of 222 cornerbacks.  His coverage grade was 48.4 which ranked him 111th out of 116 corners per Google AI's summary from PFF...

    Point is?  We forfeited bettering this position in the draft to select 2 rookie QBs and 2 rookie RBs.  Even if Emerson stayed healthy, the problem doesn't change.  Teams will exploit him.  I'm okay with the 2 QBs but whether people like or hate Jerome Ford - he averaged 5.4 yards a carry with Duce Staley as his position coach last year (to give us an experience RB in the rotation).  I know he's not the dream in here; but he would have worked well splitting reps with TreVeyon Henderson - I mean...

    We have Pickett here if anyone in the league loses a starting QB that would be willing to give up a Corner...

  • Martin Emerson's season ending injury has put the Browns secondary in flux. 

    @dutch-oven said:

    Martin Emerson's season ending injury has put the Browns secondary in flux. 

     Em, plus you have questionable safety play.   Week 1 vs CIN should be fun. 

     Edit:  something I noticed more of in PSW2 - 2 high shells. 

  • so when is cut down day ?