5 QB’s In The Room
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No, My comment was about the offensive tackles.
If I recall correctly, I didn’t make many excuses for Joe Woods and his incompetence.
And You can cherry pick any videos you want
I'm aware of what your comment was about.
I know you didn't make excuses. My point was - you acknowledge the lack of talent now and that it's difficult, if not impossible to overcome.
But you struggled to do the same then. It's a cheeky comment, sarcastic, light hearted, but with a modicum of honesty. Take it as such.
Do you read my posts? Im not cherry picking shit. It's my own work, I'd encourage you to follow it when published, my guy.
I'm aware of what your comment was about.
I know you didn't make excuses. My point was - you acknowledge the lack of talent now and that it's difficult, if not impossible to overcome.
But you struggled to do the same then. It's a cheeky comment, sarcastic, light hearted, but with a modicum of honesty. Take it as such.
Do you read my posts? Im not cherry picking shit. It's my own work, I'd encourage you to follow it when published, my guy.
I’ll pass bubs.
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I'm aware of what your comment was about.
I know you didn't make excuses. My point was - you acknowledge the lack of talent now and that it's difficult, if not impossible to overcome.
But you struggled to do the same then. It's a cheeky comment, sarcastic, light hearted, but with a modicum of honesty. Take it as such.
Do you read my posts? Im not cherry picking shit. It's my own work, I'd encourage you to follow it when published, my guy.
I’ll pass bubs.
I’ll pass bubs.
Cheers ?
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Wait... did I miss something? Has Pocic been injured and not playing?
Sorry, I didn't see this.
Pocic has been banged up. But when he is playing, he's still playing like a bottom 1/3 center right now. 60% of this offensive line is just flat out bad.
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Wait... did I miss something? Has Pocic been injured and not playing?
Sorry, I didn't see this.
Pocic has been banged up. But when he is playing, he's still playing like a bottom 1/3 center right now. 60% of this offensive line is just flat out bad.
Sorry, I didn't see this.
Pocic has been banged up. But when he is playing, he's still playing like a bottom 1/3 center right now. 60% of this offensive line is just flat out bad.
This FO has been pathetic at upgrading the OL. Their plan at OT was 32 year old journeyman Cornelius Lucas + Never-healthy Jack Conklin + plus can't bend/oft-injured Dawand Jones. If he wasn't th right man for the LT job at Ohio State why is he the alleged solution at LT for this FO? They're already excited to hear he should be the same guy he was pre-injury. So they think they want to invest in a Franchise QB soon with a plan like this? When you invest in anything - you should have your plans to protect it ready to rock. Make sense?
Any smart, promising young QB prospect out there is hoping/praying the Browns or the Jets don't know they even exist. Totally possible...
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My feelings are unless it is a new GM and coach, we better not pick another QB next year.
Those 2 guys just picked two fucking QBs this last draft. How many QB's are we going to let those numbskulls select before improving a few other areas on the O?
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My feelings are unless it is a new GM and coach, we better not pick another QB next year.
Those 2 guys just picked two fucking QBs this last draft. How many QB's are we going to let those numbskulls select before improving a few other areas on the O?
My feelings are unless it is a new GM and coach, we better not pick another QB next year.
Those 2 guys just picked two fucking QBs this last draft. How many QB's are we going to let those numbskulls select before improving a few other areas on the O?
Well... You keep tossing darts till you find one..
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My feelings are unless it is a new GM and coach, we better not pick another QB next year.
Those 2 guys just picked two fucking QBs this last draft. How many QB's are we going to let those numbskulls select before improving a few other areas on the O?
Well... You keep tossing darts till you find one..
Well... You keep tossing darts till you find one..
My feelings are unless it is a new GM and coach, we better not pick another QB next year.
Those 2 guys just picked two fucking QBs this last draft. How many QB's are we going to let those numbskulls select before improving a few other areas on the O?
What concerns me is that, provided there is a new GM and HC, that "tossing darts" will be the mentality. In order to rubber stamp their new position(s) they draft a QB in, what's looks like, a pretty underwhelming class.
To me that's similar to what the Vikings did with JJ McCarthy. They had a need, and they drafted to address it. But did they address is correctly and with the right choice? I've believe 'no' since day 1 and it has been an incredibly rough start for McCarthy.
Asking Cleveland fans to be patient is like asking to be slapped. But if patience, nuance and particularness aren't used by new leadership in selecting the *right* QB, then any new regime will just be adding to the million name jersey in due time.
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Well... You keep tossing darts till you find one..
My feelings are unless it is a new GM and coach, we better not pick another QB next year.
Those 2 guys just picked two fucking QBs this last draft. How many QB's are we going to let those numbskulls select before improving a few other areas on the O?
What concerns me is that, provided there is a new GM and HC, that "tossing darts" will be the mentality. In order to rubber stamp their new position(s) they draft a QB in, what's looks like, a pretty underwhelming class.
To me that's similar to what the Vikings did with JJ McCarthy. They had a need, and they drafted to address it. But did they address is correctly and with the right choice? I've believe 'no' since day 1 and it has been an incredibly rough start for McCarthy.
Asking Cleveland fans to be patient is like asking to be slapped. But if patience, nuance and particularness aren't used by new leadership in selecting the *right* QB, then any new regime will just be adding to the million name jersey in due time.
What concerns me is that, provided there is a new GM and HC, that "tossing darts" will be the mentality. In order to rubber stamp their new position(s) they draft a QB in, what's looks like, a pretty underwhelming class.
To me that's similar to what the Vikings did with JJ McCarthy. They had a need, and they drafted to address it. But did they address is correctly and with the right choice? I've believe 'no' since day 1 and it has been an incredibly rough start for McCarthy.
Asking Cleveland fans to be patient is like asking to be slapped. But if patience, nuance and particularness aren't used by new leadership in selecting the *right* QB, then any new regime will just be adding to the million name jersey in due time.
What college QB do you think is worth it with our first pick?
I only watch so much college football, but l like Mendoza from IU. He’s kind of a petri dish pick though because he’s working in an environment with a plus Oline and a plus group of skillset guys. The Browns are not that environment.
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What concerns me is that, provided there is a new GM and HC, that "tossing darts" will be the mentality. In order to rubber stamp their new position(s) they draft a QB in, what's looks like, a pretty underwhelming class.
To me that's similar to what the Vikings did with JJ McCarthy. They had a need, and they drafted to address it. But did they address is correctly and with the right choice? I've believe 'no' since day 1 and it has been an incredibly rough start for McCarthy.
Asking Cleveland fans to be patient is like asking to be slapped. But if patience, nuance and particularness aren't used by new leadership in selecting the *right* QB, then any new regime will just be adding to the million name jersey in due time.
What college QB do you think is worth it with our first pick?
I only watch so much college football, but l like Mendoza from IU. He’s kind of a petri dish pick though because he’s working in an environment with a plus Oline and a plus group of skillset guys. The Browns are not that environment.
What college QB do you think is worth it with our first pick?
I only watch so much college football, but l like Mendoza from IU. He’s kind of a petri dish pick though because he’s working in an environment with a plus Oline and a plus group of skillset guys. The Browns are not that environment.
I'm not tia, nor do I play him on TV, but IMO the only QB I'd feel somewhat comfortable taking with the Browns high first round pick would be Mendoza. (And I'm not 100% sold on that as of today either)
The only guys I could see being in consideration for a top 10 pick other than him are woefully inexperienced - Sellers, Simpson and Moore - and they are all projections at this point.
Taking one of those guys is something only a head coach/front office that is solidly in place with a great track record, i.e. what Kansas City did with Mahomes with Andy Reid as head coach. Mahomes sat his entire rookie season until the last game of the season.
The Browns taking one of those three guys with Berry and Stefanski clinging on to their jobs would be a recipe for disaster, IMO.
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What concerns me is that, provided there is a new GM and HC, that "tossing darts" will be the mentality. In order to rubber stamp their new position(s) they draft a QB in, what's looks like, a pretty underwhelming class.
To me that's similar to what the Vikings did with JJ McCarthy. They had a need, and they drafted to address it. But did they address is correctly and with the right choice? I've believe 'no' since day 1 and it has been an incredibly rough start for McCarthy.
Asking Cleveland fans to be patient is like asking to be slapped. But if patience, nuance and particularness aren't used by new leadership in selecting the *right* QB, then any new regime will just be adding to the million name jersey in due time.
What college QB do you think is worth it with our first pick?
I only watch so much college football, but l like Mendoza from IU. He’s kind of a petri dish pick though because he’s working in an environment with a plus Oline and a plus group of skillset guys. The Browns are not that environment.
What college QB do you think is worth it with our first pick?
I only watch so much college football, but l like Mendoza from IU. He’s kind of a petri dish pick though because he’s working in an environment with a plus Oline and a plus group of skillset guys. The Browns are not that environment.
As of this moment? None. QB's, especially 1st overalls, that live up to the billing are pretty uncommon. I also have to admit that I haven't started by QB evals and likely won't until after the season ends. The all-22 for CFB has become more available these last 6-7 years. I have a couple hookups including one from an air-raid college in memphis. So I, or anyone else for that matter, really can't give you the most accurate assessment and answer until that time.
But I have been watching a sleeper for next year that I expect to rise - Darian Mensah, from Duke.
I'm not tia, nor do I play him on TV, but IMO the only QB I'd feel somewhat comfortable taking with the Browns high first round pick would be Mendoza. (And I'm not 100% sold on that as of today either)
The only guys I could see being in consideration for a top 10 pick other than him are woefully inexperienced - Sellers, Simpson and Moore - and they are all projections at this point.
Taking one of those guys is something only a head coach/front office that is solidly in place with a great track record, i.e. what Kansas City did with Mahomes with Andy Reid as head coach. Mahomes sat his entire rookie season until the last game of the season.
The Browns taking one of those three guys with Berry and Stefanski clinging on to their jobs would be a recipe for disaster, IMO.
Regardless of the coaching staff, unless there's a massive infusion of young talent on the OL and at WR, no QB is going to stand a chance.
I also don't like half-assing it. Either we see a kid and you love his game as a QB, or you find somebody at another position group whose game you just love. Too often, reaching for the 3rd or 4th QB's in a draft, especially high, don't produce the results you'd like.
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What college QB do you think is worth it with our first pick?
I only watch so much college football, but l like Mendoza from IU. He’s kind of a petri dish pick though because he’s working in an environment with a plus Oline and a plus group of skillset guys. The Browns are not that environment.
As of this moment? None. QB's, especially 1st overalls, that live up to the billing are pretty uncommon. I also have to admit that I haven't started by QB evals and likely won't until after the season ends. The all-22 for CFB has become more available these last 6-7 years. I have a couple hookups including one from an air-raid college in memphis. So I, or anyone else for that matter, really can't give you the most accurate assessment and answer until that time.
But I have been watching a sleeper for next year that I expect to rise - Darian Mensah, from Duke.
I'm not tia, nor do I play him on TV, but IMO the only QB I'd feel somewhat comfortable taking with the Browns high first round pick would be Mendoza. (And I'm not 100% sold on that as of today either)
The only guys I could see being in consideration for a top 10 pick other than him are woefully inexperienced - Sellers, Simpson and Moore - and they are all projections at this point.
Taking one of those guys is something only a head coach/front office that is solidly in place with a great track record, i.e. what Kansas City did with Mahomes with Andy Reid as head coach. Mahomes sat his entire rookie season until the last game of the season.
The Browns taking one of those three guys with Berry and Stefanski clinging on to their jobs would be a recipe for disaster, IMO.
Regardless of the coaching staff, unless there's a massive infusion of young talent on the OL and at WR, no QB is going to stand a chance.
I also don't like half-assing it. Either we see a kid and you love his game as a QB, or you find somebody at another position group whose game you just love. Too often, reaching for the 3rd or 4th QB's in a draft, especially high, don't produce the results you'd like.
I also don't like half-assing it. Either we see a kid and you love his game as a QB, or you find somebody at another position group whose game you just love. Too often, reaching for the 3rd or 4th QB's in a draft, especially high, don't produce the results you'd like.
So you have identified the Browns FO strategy to a T huh???
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What college QB do you think is worth it with our first pick?
I only watch so much college football, but l like Mendoza from IU. He’s kind of a petri dish pick though because he’s working in an environment with a plus Oline and a plus group of skillset guys. The Browns are not that environment.
As of this moment? None. QB's, especially 1st overalls, that live up to the billing are pretty uncommon. I also have to admit that I haven't started by QB evals and likely won't until after the season ends. The all-22 for CFB has become more available these last 6-7 years. I have a couple hookups including one from an air-raid college in memphis. So I, or anyone else for that matter, really can't give you the most accurate assessment and answer until that time.
But I have been watching a sleeper for next year that I expect to rise - Darian Mensah, from Duke.
I'm not tia, nor do I play him on TV, but IMO the only QB I'd feel somewhat comfortable taking with the Browns high first round pick would be Mendoza. (And I'm not 100% sold on that as of today either)
The only guys I could see being in consideration for a top 10 pick other than him are woefully inexperienced - Sellers, Simpson and Moore - and they are all projections at this point.
Taking one of those guys is something only a head coach/front office that is solidly in place with a great track record, i.e. what Kansas City did with Mahomes with Andy Reid as head coach. Mahomes sat his entire rookie season until the last game of the season.
The Browns taking one of those three guys with Berry and Stefanski clinging on to their jobs would be a recipe for disaster, IMO.
Regardless of the coaching staff, unless there's a massive infusion of young talent on the OL and at WR, no QB is going to stand a chance.
I also don't like half-assing it. Either we see a kid and you love his game as a QB, or you find somebody at another position group whose game you just love. Too often, reaching for the 3rd or 4th QB's in a draft, especially high, don't produce the results you'd like.
unless there's a massive infusion of young talent on the OL and at WR, no QB is going to stand a chance.
Yes...that's the inconvenient truth. However, if you need a QB, then you need a QB. That's a May Day, All Hands On Deck, situation. Every draft you are comparing players against the best available QB. Until you are settled at QB.
Will we draft one in April? Well, I think that was the plan as of last April. Trade away Travis Hunter for another 1st rounder next year...which will give us assets to get the QB that we want...meanwhile we draft that future QB's backup this year and have Pickett or Flacco play. That was the plan. And, of course Pickett got hurt, Flacco had to be the starter...he showed that even HE couldn't lift the offensive talent around him, so now, we're in QB evaluation mode. Gabriel is auditioning now.
I don't think that anything we've seen so far would change them from seeing the plan through. But there's half of a season left.
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
unless there's a massive infusion of young talent on the OL and at WR, no QB is going to stand a chance.
Yes...that's the inconvenient truth. However, if you need a QB, then you need a QB. That's a May Day, All Hands On Deck, situation. Every draft you are comparing players against the best available QB. Until you are settled at QB.
Will we draft one in April? Well, I think that was the plan as of last April. Trade away Travis Hunter for another 1st rounder next year...which will give us assets to get the QB that we want...meanwhile we draft that future QB's backup this year and have Pickett or Flacco play. That was the plan. And, of course Pickett got hurt, Flacco had to be the starter...he showed that even HE couldn't lift the offensive talent around him, so now, we're in QB evaluation mode. Gabriel is auditioning now.
I don't think that anything we've seen so far would change them from seeing the plan through. But there's half of a season left.
Gabriel is auditioning now.
Trust and believe when I say, there's plenty more where this came from with Gabriel.
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unless there's a massive infusion of young talent on the OL and at WR, no QB is going to stand a chance.
Yes...that's the inconvenient truth. However, if you need a QB, then you need a QB. That's a May Day, All Hands On Deck, situation. Every draft you are comparing players against the best available QB. Until you are settled at QB.
Will we draft one in April? Well, I think that was the plan as of last April. Trade away Travis Hunter for another 1st rounder next year...which will give us assets to get the QB that we want...meanwhile we draft that future QB's backup this year and have Pickett or Flacco play. That was the plan. And, of course Pickett got hurt, Flacco had to be the starter...he showed that even HE couldn't lift the offensive talent around him, so now, we're in QB evaluation mode. Gabriel is auditioning now.
I don't think that anything we've seen so far would change them from seeing the plan through. But there's half of a season left.
Will we draft one in April? Well, I think that was the plan as of last April. Trade away Travis Hunter for another 1st rounder next year...which will give us assets to get the QB that we want...meanwhile we draft that future QB's backup this year and have Pickett or Flacco play. That was the plan.
Damn I think we all know that team holes cannot be fixed all at once, but I'm truly having a hard time wrapping my head around these thoughts (and I've seen/heard many others say similar things).
It's supposed to be a professional organization. They're paid to try & win games. They charge plenty of $$ for fans to watch (home games).
Playing "for next year" while not even starting the current season is criminal.
So if what you wrote is true, the franchise should be taken away from Haslam (fat chance obviously). The only other answer would be that they grossly over rated the guys they brought in to play offensive line & WR, which falls on the FO. I suppose one could argue they couldn't spend money on better players due to cap restraints they created all by themselves. What a mess.
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Will we draft one in April? Well, I think that was the plan as of last April. Trade away Travis Hunter for another 1st rounder next year...which will give us assets to get the QB that we want...meanwhile we draft that future QB's backup this year and have Pickett or Flacco play. That was the plan.
Damn I think we all know that team holes cannot be fixed all at once, but I'm truly having a hard time wrapping my head around these thoughts (and I've seen/heard many others say similar things).
It's supposed to be a professional organization. They're paid to try & win games. They charge plenty of $$ for fans to watch (home games).
Playing "for next year" while not even starting the current season is criminal.
So if what you wrote is true, the franchise should be taken away from Haslam (fat chance obviously). The only other answer would be that they grossly over rated the guys they brought in to play offensive line & WR, which falls on the FO. I suppose one could argue they couldn't spend money on better players due to cap restraints they created all by themselves. What a mess.
They're paid to try & win games. They charge plenty of $$ for fans to watch (home games).
Playing "for next year" while not even starting the current season is criminal.
So if what you wrote is true, the franchise should be taken away from Haslam
Whoa Bob! They're trying to win these games...Stef, Schwartz, et all. I'm quite sure of it. And on Sunday everybody in the organization is wanting a win. Remember back at the Winter Meetings...Haslam was telling the press that they swung and missed on the Watson trade and that Browns fans might need to be a little more patient because it's going to take a couple of years to fix the QB situation. He pretty much told us that the QB was not in this draft but in the next. (at least that was the thinking at the time, now it's not so clear that this is the big QB draft class that it was thought to be)
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
Well... You keep tossing darts till you find one..
My feelings are unless it is a new GM and coach, we better not pick another QB next year.
Those 2 guys just picked two fucking QBs this last draft. How many QB's are we going to let those numbskulls select before improving a few other areas on the O?
What concerns me is that, provided there is a new GM and HC, that "tossing darts" will be the mentality. In order to rubber stamp their new position(s) they draft a QB in, what's looks like, a pretty underwhelming class.
To me that's similar to what the Vikings did with JJ McCarthy. They had a need, and they drafted to address it. But did they address is correctly and with the right choice? I've believe 'no' since day 1 and it has been an incredibly rough start for McCarthy.
Asking Cleveland fans to be patient is like asking to be slapped. But if patience, nuance and particularness aren't used by new leadership in selecting the *right* QB, then any new regime will just be adding to the million name jersey in due time.
What concerns me is that, provided there is a new GM and HC, that "tossing darts" will be the mentality. In order to rubber stamp their new position(s) they draft a QB in, what's looks like, a pretty underwhelming class.
To me that's similar to what the Vikings did with JJ McCarthy. They had a need, and they drafted to address it. But did they address is correctly and with the right choice? I've believe 'no' since day 1 and it has been an incredibly rough start for McCarthy.
Asking Cleveland fans to be patient is like asking to be slapped. But if patience, nuance and particularness aren't used by new leadership in selecting the *right* QB, then any new regime will just be adding to the million name jersey in due time.
My intent wasn't to imply that any new GM should be forced in to selecting a QB. They will have some time to do that, be it year 1-2-3.
The people currently in charge are kind of in the position of being forced in to that since they are in year 5 or 6 of that mission.
My point is if we keep Berry and Ski, we need to more or less make them stick with the picks they made and take steps to build a support system around them to help them be the QB's they envisioned when drafted.
Flacco demonstrates this. When here he looked like a washed up old vet. In Cincy he is looking like some sort of MVP candidate. He didn't leave here because he was some 15-17 year washout or became good because he found the fountain of youth in the Ohio River. He looked bad because his supporting cast was broken, starting to break down and possibly because the O system is stale.
I don't see how we can possibly expect a rookie no matter his name to change anything after 4-5 games to do better than a seasoned vet who is showing he isn't washed up.
We may have a QB problem but from this old guys vision, we have bigger problems than QB. It looks pretty evident to me that we will continue to have QB "problems" until he fix some of the other things.
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They're paid to try & win games. They charge plenty of $$ for fans to watch (home games).
Playing "for next year" while not even starting the current season is criminal.
So if what you wrote is true, the franchise should be taken away from Haslam
Whoa Bob! They're trying to win these games...Stef, Schwartz, et all. I'm quite sure of it. And on Sunday everybody in the organization is wanting a win. Remember back at the Winter Meetings...Haslam was telling the press that they swung and missed on the Watson trade and that Browns fans might need to be a little more patient because it's going to take a couple of years to fix the QB situation. He pretty much told us that the QB was not in this draft but in the next. (at least that was the thinking at the time, now it's not so clear that this is the big QB draft class that it was thought to be)
Whoa Bob! They're trying to win these games...Stef, Schwartz, et all. I'm quite sure of it. And on Sunday everybody in the organization is wanting a win. Remember back at the Winter Meetings...Haslam was telling the press that they swung and missed on the Watson trade and that Browns fans might need to be a little more patient because it's going to take a couple of years to fix the QB situation. He pretty much told us that the QB was not in this draft but in the next. (at least that was the thinking at the time, now it's not so clear that this is the big QB draft class that it was thought to be)
Meanwhile they have no choice IMO other than to go with Watson and Sanders, chunk the midget QB and fix the OL and WR positions. They set it up that way, so time to roll with it in 2026. I'm sayin' there's a chance.
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Whoa Bob! They're trying to win these games...Stef, Schwartz, et all. I'm quite sure of it. And on Sunday everybody in the organization is wanting a win. Remember back at the Winter Meetings...Haslam was telling the press that they swung and missed on the Watson trade and that Browns fans might need to be a little more patient because it's going to take a couple of years to fix the QB situation. He pretty much told us that the QB was not in this draft but in the next. (at least that was the thinking at the time, now it's not so clear that this is the big QB draft class that it was thought to be)
Meanwhile they have no choice IMO other than to go with Watson and Sanders, chunk the midget QB and fix the OL and WR positions. They set it up that way, so time to roll with it in 2026. I'm sayin' there's a chance.
Meanwhile they have no choice IMO other than to go with Watson and Sanders, chunk the midget QB and fix the OL and WR positions. They set it up that way, so time to roll with it in 2026. I'm sayin' there's a chance.
There was a chance this year.
Of course, nobody knew the AFC North would suddenly become weak, some of it due to injuries.
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What concerns me is that, provided there is a new GM and HC, that "tossing darts" will be the mentality. In order to rubber stamp their new position(s) they draft a QB in, what's looks like, a pretty underwhelming class.
To me that's similar to what the Vikings did with JJ McCarthy. They had a need, and they drafted to address it. But did they address is correctly and with the right choice? I've believe 'no' since day 1 and it has been an incredibly rough start for McCarthy.
Asking Cleveland fans to be patient is like asking to be slapped. But if patience, nuance and particularness aren't used by new leadership in selecting the *right* QB, then any new regime will just be adding to the million name jersey in due time.
My intent wasn't to imply that any new GM should be forced in to selecting a QB. They will have some time to do that, be it year 1-2-3.
The people currently in charge are kind of in the position of being forced in to that since they are in year 5 or 6 of that mission.
My point is if we keep Berry and Ski, we need to more or less make them stick with the picks they made and take steps to build a support system around them to help them be the QB's they envisioned when drafted.
Flacco demonstrates this. When here he looked like a washed up old vet. In Cincy he is looking like some sort of MVP candidate. He didn't leave here because he was some 15-17 year washout or became good because he found the fountain of youth in the Ohio River. He looked bad because his supporting cast was broken, starting to break down and possibly because the O system is stale.
I don't see how we can possibly expect a rookie no matter his name to change anything after 4-5 games to do better than a seasoned vet who is showing he isn't washed up.
We may have a QB problem but from this old guys vision, we have bigger problems than QB. It looks pretty evident to me that we will continue to have QB "problems" until he fix some of the other things.
My intent wasn't to imply that any new GM should be forced in to selecting a QB. They will have some time to do that, be it year 1-2-3.
I think this is where we disagree. Because with any change in hands, especially under the current ownership, "splash" QBs have been the norm every single time and I believe there will be pressure to immediately right the ship with one.
- 2014 with Manziel
- 2017 with Kizer. The only reason he wasn't a 1st round pick was because of the trade up that year plus the QB slides. Even then, GB almost doubled dipped out of #33.
- 2018 with Baker
Obviously one of these is not like the others, but I think you get my point.
The people currently in charge are kind of in the position of being forced in to that since they are in year 5 or 6 of that mission.
My point is if we keep Berry and Ski, we need to more or less make them stick with the picks they made and take steps to build a support system around them to help them be the QB's they envisioned when drafted.
Flacco demonstrates this. When here he looked like a washed up old vet. In Cincy he is looking like some sort of MVP candidate. He didn't leave here because he was some 15-17 year washout or became good because he found the fountain of youth in the Ohio River. He looked bad because his supporting cast was broken, starting to break down and possibly because the O system is stale.
I don't see how we can possibly expect a rookie no matter his name to change anything after 4-5 games to do better than a seasoned vet who is showing he isn't washed up.
We may have a QB problem but from this old guys vision, we have bigger problems than QB. It looks pretty evident to me that we will continue to have QB "problems" until he fix some of the other things.
Preaching to the choir here, bubs. That isn't to say Flacco didn't have his problems here. He absolutely did. But having arguably the best WR corps in the NFL has made him look pretty damn solid.
You said it best, Flacco wasn't able to elevate talent around him. I'd argue he's never been able to do that in his career.
If the OL was better and you had a primary WR to build your passing game around, average QB play would have this team at 4-4.
You're correct, there are problems beyond the QB. We're all old-school here. Starts in the trenches, in to out, front to back. OL needs rebuilt. Do that and the rest of the offense, even if it was with the same personnel you had week 1, will immediately be better for it.
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What college QB do you think is worth it with our first pick?
I only watch so much college football, but l like Mendoza from IU. He’s kind of a petri dish pick though because he’s working in an environment with a plus Oline and a plus group of skillset guys. The Browns are not that environment.
As of this moment? None. QB's, especially 1st overalls, that live up to the billing are pretty uncommon. I also have to admit that I haven't started by QB evals and likely won't until after the season ends. The all-22 for CFB has become more available these last 6-7 years. I have a couple hookups including one from an air-raid college in memphis. So I, or anyone else for that matter, really can't give you the most accurate assessment and answer until that time.
But I have been watching a sleeper for next year that I expect to rise - Darian Mensah, from Duke.
I'm not tia, nor do I play him on TV, but IMO the only QB I'd feel somewhat comfortable taking with the Browns high first round pick would be Mendoza. (And I'm not 100% sold on that as of today either)
The only guys I could see being in consideration for a top 10 pick other than him are woefully inexperienced - Sellers, Simpson and Moore - and they are all projections at this point.
Taking one of those guys is something only a head coach/front office that is solidly in place with a great track record, i.e. what Kansas City did with Mahomes with Andy Reid as head coach. Mahomes sat his entire rookie season until the last game of the season.
The Browns taking one of those three guys with Berry and Stefanski clinging on to their jobs would be a recipe for disaster, IMO.
Regardless of the coaching staff, unless there's a massive infusion of young talent on the OL and at WR, no QB is going to stand a chance.
I also don't like half-assing it. Either we see a kid and you love his game as a QB, or you find somebody at another position group whose game you just love. Too often, reaching for the 3rd or 4th QB's in a draft, especially high, don't produce the results you'd like.
I have a couple hookups including one from an air-raid college in memphis.
We don't need your hookups on film. Please stick to football!
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