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  • nickersN nickers

    @bob806 said:

    It's not Kevin, although we know he can do better. 

    You can't make a good bowl of chili without good ingredients. 

    Kevin has ruined every QB he's ever had and turned them into Checkdown Charlie...

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    tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by
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    @nickers said:

    Kevin has ruined every QB he's ever had and turned them into Checkdown Charlie...

    As in he turns every QB into Charlie Frye or they don't push the ball downfield and take "checkdowns"...?

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      @nickers said:

      Kevin has ruined every QB he's ever had and turned them into Checkdown Charlie...

      As in he turns every QB into Charlie Frye or they don't push the ball downfield and take "checkdowns"...?

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      @tiamat63 said:

      As in he turns every QB into Charlie Frye or they don't push the ball downfield and take "checkdowns"...?

      All the above it seems...

      Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~
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        @tiamat63 said:

        As in he turns every QB into Charlie Frye or they don't push the ball downfield and take "checkdowns"...?

        All the above it seems...

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        tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by
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        @nickers said:

        All the above it seems...

        Downside to that theory. 

        - Baker had his career 3rd highest comp % and 2nd highest YPA  under Stef

        - Case Keenum had his career highest comp % and YPS under Stef in Minnesota

        - Jacoby Brissett is a journeyman. But in the 3 years he's had a full season of starts, his career highest comp% and YPA are under Stef.

         Then you have QBs who haven't started a full season, or a handful of games. 

        - Flacco had the 8th highest comp% and tied for the highest YPA of his career in 2023. 

        The team isn't doing well right now, nobody will argue. But the idea that QB performance bottoms out under Stefanksi is, objectively speaking, not accurate. 

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          @nickers said:

          All the above it seems...

          Downside to that theory. 

          - Baker had his career 3rd highest comp % and 2nd highest YPA  under Stef

          - Case Keenum had his career highest comp % and YPS under Stef in Minnesota

          - Jacoby Brissett is a journeyman. But in the 3 years he's had a full season of starts, his career highest comp% and YPA are under Stef.

           Then you have QBs who haven't started a full season, or a handful of games. 

          - Flacco had the 8th highest comp% and tied for the highest YPA of his career in 2023. 

          The team isn't doing well right now, nobody will argue. But the idea that QB performance bottoms out under Stefanksi is, objectively speaking, not accurate. 

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          @tiamat63 said:

          objectively speaking, not accurate. 

          consider the source 

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            Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on last edited by Dutch Oven
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            I have this weird feeling Jerry Jones is going to throw a Hail Mary and try to win one more before he shuffles off this mortal coil and give the Browns a massive haul of future draft picks for Myles Garrett. They received two first rounders for Micah Parsons, I wouldn't be shocked if they threw in one more. I just can't see the Browns making it work financially. 

            Trade deadline is 4pm EST tomorrow. 

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            • Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven

              I have this weird feeling Jerry Jones is going to throw a Hail Mary and try to win one more before he shuffles off this mortal coil and give the Browns a massive haul of future draft picks for Myles Garrett. They received two first rounders for Micah Parsons, I wouldn't be shocked if they threw in one more. I just can't see the Browns making it work financially. 

              Trade deadline is 4pm EST tomorrow. 

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              @dutch-oven said:

              I have this weird feeling Jerry Jones is going to throw a Hail Mary and try to win one more before he shuffles off this mortal coil and give the Browns a massive haul of future draft picks for Myles Garrett. They received two first rounders for Micah Parsons, I wouldn't be shocked if they threw in one more. I just can't see the Browns making it work financially. 

              Trade deadline is 4pm EST tomorrow. 

              would he help ? I Dunno , but the boys are down by 10 as we speak

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                @dutch-oven said:

                I have this weird feeling Jerry Jones is going to throw a Hail Mary and try to win one more before he shuffles off this mortal coil and give the Browns a massive haul of future draft picks for Myles Garrett. They received two first rounders for Micah Parsons, I wouldn't be shocked if they threw in one more. I just can't see the Browns making it work financially. 

                Trade deadline is 4pm EST tomorrow. 

                would he help ? I Dunno , but the boys are down by 10 as we speak

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                Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on last edited by
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                @syd said:

                would he help ? I Dunno , but the boys are down by 10 as we speak

                It wouldn't hurt, and he's probably pretty desperate to win a Super Bowl, especially considering most people think the three he won in the 90s were because of Jimmy Johnson. 

                But like I said before, I have no idea how the Browns could make it work even if the Cowboys offered a king's fortune for him. His dead cap money would be enormous, and the Browns have Watson's contract albatross to deal with too...

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                  @syd said:

                  would he help ? I Dunno , but the boys are down by 10 as we speak

                  It wouldn't hurt, and he's probably pretty desperate to win a Super Bowl, especially considering most people think the three he won in the 90s were because of Jimmy Johnson. 

                  But like I said before, I have no idea how the Browns could make it work even if the Cowboys offered a king's fortune for him. His dead cap money would be enormous, and the Browns have Watson's contract albatross to deal with too...

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                  @dutch-oven said:

                  His dead cap money would be enormous, and the Browns have Watson's contract albatross to deal with too...

                  well haslem self imposed the death penalty upon us and he will have to find away to pay to get us out of it (if he can)

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                    @nickers said:

                    All the above it seems...

                    Downside to that theory. 

                    - Baker had his career 3rd highest comp % and 2nd highest YPA  under Stef

                    - Case Keenum had his career highest comp % and YPS under Stef in Minnesota

                    - Jacoby Brissett is a journeyman. But in the 3 years he's had a full season of starts, his career highest comp% and YPA are under Stef.

                     Then you have QBs who haven't started a full season, or a handful of games. 

                    - Flacco had the 8th highest comp% and tied for the highest YPA of his career in 2023. 

                    The team isn't doing well right now, nobody will argue. But the idea that QB performance bottoms out under Stefanksi is, objectively speaking, not accurate. 

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                    @tiamat63 said:

                    Downside to that theory. 

                    - Jacoby Brissett is a journeyman. But in the 3 years he's had a full season of starts, his career highest comp% and YPA are under Stef.

                    And of course last night he led the Cards to a 27-17 win over the Cowboys. 21 of 31, 261 yds , 2 TDs and 0 Ints.  

                    Where is cal with 4 different posts to prove Browns foolishness in letting him go???

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                      @tiamat63 said:

                      Downside to that theory. 

                      - Jacoby Brissett is a journeyman. But in the 3 years he's had a full season of starts, his career highest comp% and YPA are under Stef.

                      And of course last night he led the Cards to a 27-17 win over the Cowboys. 21 of 31, 261 yds , 2 TDs and 0 Ints.  

                      Where is cal with 4 different posts to prove Browns foolishness in letting him go???

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                      @texasag1969 said:

                      And of course last night he led the Cards to a 27-17 win over the Cowboys. 21 of 31, 261 yds , 2 TDs and 0 Ints.  

                      Where is cal with 4 different posts to prove Browns foolishness in letting him go

                       He's in a decent situation.  Oline isn't terrible and you have a couple good, young weapons in McBride and MHJ. 

                       Also helps the Cowboys defense is just awful.   

                       That said, goes to show how much the long-game matters.  Kyler Murray was not worth the #1 overall pick. When you can't efficiently distribute as an NFL passer, all your running around and explosive plays mean little when your career arch begins to settle. 

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                        @texasag1969 said:

                        And of course last night he led the Cards to a 27-17 win over the Cowboys. 21 of 31, 261 yds , 2 TDs and 0 Ints.  

                        Where is cal with 4 different posts to prove Browns foolishness in letting him go

                         He's in a decent situation.  Oline isn't terrible and you have a couple good, young weapons in McBride and MHJ. 

                         Also helps the Cowboys defense is just awful.   

                         That said, goes to show how much the long-game matters.  Kyler Murray was not worth the #1 overall pick. When you can't efficiently distribute as an NFL passer, all your running around and explosive plays mean little when your career arch begins to settle. 

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                        Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on last edited by Dutch Oven
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                        @tiamat63 said:

                         He's in a decent situation.  Oline isn't terrible and you have a couple good, young weapons in McBride and MHJ. 

                         Also helps the Cowboys defense is just awful.   

                         That said, goes to show how much the long-game matters.  Kyler Murray was not worth the #1 overall pick. When you can't efficiently distribute as an NFL passer, all your running around and explosive plays mean little when your career arch begins to settle. 

                        It’s what I’ve been saying for years: to be a longterm successful QB in the NFL you have to be able to sit in the pocket, read defenses and make progressions. How many athletic QBs have we seen over the years start their careers hot but when defenses figure them out struggle to make the next step and have their career stall out?

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