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    nickersN nickers wrote on last edited by nickers
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    Well.. I guess I'll just accept this as a Victory Monday of sorts...

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      OrionO Orion wrote on last edited by
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      It's a season of experiments.  I like the idea of Stef being free during games.  It's a chance to see how Reese does in brand new role for him.  And it might appease people momentarily.  

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         At this point, it's clearly a method used by Stef to show that the playcalling in and of itself isn't the largest issue. 

         You might get a temporary "win one for the gipper" boost.  Especially against a bad Jets team.   But once you toss out the highs and lows, the median will end up being around the same. 

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        Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on last edited by
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        @tiamat63 said:

         At this point, it's clearly a method used by Stef to show that the playcalling in and of itself isn't the largest issue. 

         You might get a temporary "win one for the gipper" boost.  Especially against a bad Jets team.   But once you toss out the highs and lows, the median will end up being around the same. 

        I think last season it also was a "Well you wanted me to gut my offensive coaching staff well let me show you how awesome Ken Dorsey is" and pretty much let him hang himself. 

        For entertainment reasons, I guess I'll be looking forward to this week's game just out of curiosity to see what the offense looks like under someone else, but I think you're right, at the end of the day it probably won't matter. Same things goes for when Sanders takes over for Gabriel eventually. A bump in interest, but minimal overall change. 

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          @tiamat63 said:

           At this point, it's clearly a method used by Stef to show that the playcalling in and of itself isn't the largest issue. 

           You might get a temporary "win one for the gipper" boost.  Especially against a bad Jets team.   But once you toss out the highs and lows, the median will end up being around the same. 

          I think last season it also was a "Well you wanted me to gut my offensive coaching staff well let me show you how awesome Ken Dorsey is" and pretty much let him hang himself. 

          For entertainment reasons, I guess I'll be looking forward to this week's game just out of curiosity to see what the offense looks like under someone else, but I think you're right, at the end of the day it probably won't matter. Same things goes for when Sanders takes over for Gabriel eventually. A bump in interest, but minimal overall change. 

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          @dutch-oven said:

          Same things goes for when Sanders takes over for Gabriel eventually. A bump in interest, but minimal overall change. 

          There is the probability that it gets worse with Sanders...but I'm looking forward to finding out.  ( we're an underdog to the Jets...... )

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            @dutch-oven said:

            Same things goes for when Sanders takes over for Gabriel eventually. A bump in interest, but minimal overall change. 

            There is the probability that it gets worse with Sanders...but I'm looking forward to finding out.  ( we're an underdog to the Jets...... )

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            Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on last edited by
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            @orion said:

            There is the probability that it gets worse with Sanders...but I'm looking forward to finding out.  ( we're an underdog to the Jets...... )

            I should have gone this weekend to visit my family in North Jersey, my cousin is a huge Browns fan (from NE Ohio originally) and we could have scored two tickets to this game in East Rutherford for next to nothing. 

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              S SdBacker80 wrote on last edited by
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              Maybe hire someone you feel comfortable with calling the plays - that’s obviously not the case the last two seasons. 

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                @orion said:

                There is the probability that it gets worse with Sanders...but I'm looking forward to finding out.  ( we're an underdog to the Jets...... )

                I should have gone this weekend to visit my family in North Jersey, my cousin is a huge Browns fan (from NE Ohio originally) and we could have scored two tickets to this game in East Rutherford for next to nothing. 

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                OrionO Orion wrote on last edited by
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                @dutch-oven said:

                I should have gone this weekend to visit my family in North Jersey, my cousin is a huge Browns fan

                My cousin is a huge Browns fan also.  From the days of Jim Brown.  And we've always lived in New England.

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                  tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by
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                  These critiques look oddly familiar.

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                    These critiques look oddly familiar.

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                    OrionO Orion wrote on last edited by
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                    @tiamat63 said:

                    These critiques look oddly familiar.

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                    When you're losing...anything you do is deemed wrong.  

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                      C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by calfoxwc
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                      Interesting. A lot of fans are wondering if Rees is going to be fired like Ken Dorsey was.

                      Stepanski is boring, and doesn't have the instincts to fool defenses. We'll see if the offense production gets upgraded. It will be tough with the offensive line not being up to par. NOBODY is talking about trick plays. It's a matter of play design, and play calling to keep defenses guessing.

                      Tillman will be back, apparently.

                      https://larrybrownsports.com/football/fans-said-same-thing-kevin-stefanski-browns-play-calling/725387

                      Fans all said the same thing about Browns coach giving up play-calling

                      Meanwhile, oh, look, a film breakdown!

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                        nickersN nickers wrote on last edited by
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                        More sonic pollution to wake the neighbors up!

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                          Interesting. A lot of fans are wondering if Rees is going to be fired like Ken Dorsey was.

                          Stepanski is boring, and doesn't have the instincts to fool defenses. We'll see if the offense production gets upgraded. It will be tough with the offensive line not being up to par. NOBODY is talking about trick plays. It's a matter of play design, and play calling to keep defenses guessing.

                          Tillman will be back, apparently.

                          https://larrybrownsports.com/football/fans-said-same-thing-kevin-stefanski-browns-play-calling/725387

                          Fans all said the same thing about Browns coach giving up play-calling

                          Meanwhile, oh, look, a film breakdown!

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                          @calfoxwc said:

                          Interesting. A lot of fans are wondering if Rees is going to be fired like Ken Dorsey was.

                          Stepanski is boring, and doesn't have the instincts to fool defenses. We'll see if the offense production gets upgraded. It will be tough with the offensive line not being up to par. NOBODY is talking about trick plays. It's a matter of play design, and play calling to keep defenses guessing.

                          Tillman will be back, apparently.

                          https://larrybrownsports.com/football/fans-said-same-thing-kevin-stefanski-browns-play-calling/725387

                          Fans all said the same thing about Browns coach giving up play-calling

                          Meanwhile, oh, look, a film breakdown!

                          I'm done with Stefanski TBH. His offensive design schemes are outdated and unimaginative in today's NFL. Looks like he was propped up by AVP and Callahan as offense dropped off a cliff with their exits. 

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                            @calfoxwc said:

                            Interesting. A lot of fans are wondering if Rees is going to be fired like Ken Dorsey was.

                            Stepanski is boring, and doesn't have the instincts to fool defenses. We'll see if the offense production gets upgraded. It will be tough with the offensive line not being up to par. NOBODY is talking about trick plays. It's a matter of play design, and play calling to keep defenses guessing.

                            Tillman will be back, apparently.

                            https://larrybrownsports.com/football/fans-said-same-thing-kevin-stefanski-browns-play-calling/725387

                            Fans all said the same thing about Browns coach giving up play-calling

                            Meanwhile, oh, look, a film breakdown!

                            I'm done with Stefanski TBH. His offensive design schemes are outdated and unimaginative in today's NFL. Looks like he was propped up by AVP and Callahan as offense dropped off a cliff with their exits. 

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                            C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by calfoxwc
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                            @mddawg said:

                            I'm done with Stefanski TBH. His offensive design schemes are outdated and unimaginative in today's NFL. Looks like he was propped up by AVP and Callahan as offense dropped off a cliff with their exits. 

                            back in hs, I was a stat guy with a friend for football. It was as close to the game I could get. Every play, we'd write down the formation, the play, player numbers, result of the play. It got so I could predict what they were going to run by how they lined up, and the stances of the offense - qb/rb/ot.

                              Stepanski's offense seems like that. But it is worse - the drafting for offense.

                            Look at the first round draft picks for offense.

                            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Cleveland_Browns_first-round_draft_picks

                            2020 - Jedrick Wills, OT, blah.

                            2018 - Baker Mayfield, but should have drafted my pick, Josh Allen

                            2017 - David Njoku, who took years to be a dependable ball catcher. duh.

                            2016 - Cory Coleman, midget wr..... 

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                            Corey Coleman will forever remain one of the Browns biggest mistakes

                            The Giants released Corey Coleman, providing proof once and for all what a mistake his selection was for the Cleveland Browns.
                             
                            2015 - Cameron Irving, C. Injury prone throughout his career, floated from team to team, position to position. nope.
                            2014 - Johnny Manziel. dammit, how stupid a pick that was.
                            2012 - Brandon Weedon. another dismal mistake.
                            2012 - Trent Richardson, considered one of the biggest draft busts in history
                            2019 - Alex Mack, C, a star
                             
                            Hardly a way to build a dynamic offense. Then there is the play calling. Your offensive line is struggling, getting overrun by the Pats defense and you call a flea-flicker? etc etc.
                             
                            What is really hopeless, is the Browns offensive line, which is not helped by stepanski's inability to adapt to what is going on in a game....
                             
                            https://thelistwire.usatoday.com/story/sports/2025/10/30/pro-football-focus-ranking-nfl-offensive-line-week-9-pff/86979072007/
                             
                            #32 Browns offensive line.
                            per ESPN, Browns wide receivers - 25th in the NFL.
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                              More sonic pollution to wake the neighbors up!

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                              FlugelF Flugel wrote on last edited by
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                              @nickers said:

                              More sonic pollution to wake the neighbors up!

                              Don't worry about the neighbors Nicks - you can't hold that talent hostage.  They'll get over it!

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                                @calfoxwc said:

                                Interesting. A lot of fans are wondering if Rees is going to be fired like Ken Dorsey was.

                                Stepanski is boring, and doesn't have the instincts to fool defenses. We'll see if the offense production gets upgraded. It will be tough with the offensive line not being up to par. NOBODY is talking about trick plays. It's a matter of play design, and play calling to keep defenses guessing.

                                Tillman will be back, apparently.

                                https://larrybrownsports.com/football/fans-said-same-thing-kevin-stefanski-browns-play-calling/725387

                                Fans all said the same thing about Browns coach giving up play-calling

                                Meanwhile, oh, look, a film breakdown!

                                I'm done with Stefanski TBH. His offensive design schemes are outdated and unimaginative in today's NFL. Looks like he was propped up by AVP and Callahan as offense dropped off a cliff with their exits. 

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                                jrb12711J jrb12711 wrote on last edited by
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                                @mddawg said:

                                I'm done with Stefanski TBH. His offensive design schemes are outdated and unimaginative in today's NFL. Looks like he was propped up by AVP and Callahan as offense dropped off a cliff with their exits. 

                                I'll say it this way- for a guy who is considered an offensive minded HC to do this twice in two years is hard to just shoo away as 'trying something out'. Talent level or not, it's pretty wonky.

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                                  Funniest thing about it all. The best Cleveland has ever looked, came in their only Playoff Win in forever... BTW that game Stephanski what watching the game from his basement with covid. 

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                                    Funniest thing about it all. The best Cleveland has ever looked, came in their only Playoff Win in forever... BTW that game Stephanski what watching the game from his basement with covid. 

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                                    Funniest thing about it all. The best Cleveland has ever looked, came in their only Playoff Win in forever... BTW that game Stephanski what watching the game from his basement with covid. 

                                    Oh how people forget the D did far more in that game (or frankly Ben/PIt to lose.that game) than the offense did.  Not like the D scored a TD and gave the O a short field for 3 more scores in the first quarter alone....

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                                      @poeticg said:

                                      Funniest thing about it all. The best Cleveland has ever looked, came in their only Playoff Win in forever... BTW that game Stephanski what watching the game from his basement with covid. 

                                      Oh how people forget the D did far more in that game (or frankly Ben/PIt to lose.that game) than the offense did.  Not like the D scored a TD and gave the O a short field for 3 more scores in the first quarter alone....

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                                      Oh how people forget the D did far more in that game (or frankly Ben/PIt to lose.that game) than the offense did.  Not like the D scored a TD and gave the O a short field for 3 more scores in the first quarter alone....

                                      Non-Baker Mayfield obsessed Browns fans remember...

                                      Pepperidge Farms remembers too. 

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                                        @poeticg said:

                                        Funniest thing about it all. The best Cleveland has ever looked, came in their only Playoff Win in forever... BTW that game Stephanski what watching the game from his basement with covid. 

                                        Oh how people forget the D did far more in that game (or frankly Ben/PIt to lose.that game) than the offense did.  Not like the D scored a TD and gave the O a short field for 3 more scores in the first quarter alone....

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                                        @reality said:

                                        Oh how people forget the D did far more in that game (or frankly Ben/PIt to lose.that game) than the offense did.  Not like the D scored a TD and gave the O a short field for 3 more scores in the first quarter alone....

                                        Even so - it was a great TEAM win.   FWIW, the score was 48-29 as late as 1:09 remaining in the 4th quarter until a junk time Prevent Defense TD + 2 point conversion was allowed.  Most of the alleged GREAT Steeler fans were already on the highway heading home.  

                                        Anyway, the 1st TD of the game was a bad shot-gun snap in the end zone that Myles Garrett recovered on the 1st play from scrimmage after the opening kickoff.  What set that situation up was bad field position from STs. Baker didn't throw any INTs while Ben Rapen threw 4 INTs (some were deflected passes by our DL).  Whether it was short fields or long sustained drives - this offense scored 5 TDs and set up 2 successful FGs.  Seemed like every time they got the football - they punctuated it with points.  We were never so organized and less challenged by Pittsburgh in recent memory.

                                        Our replacement HC that day was the STs Coach Mike Priefer while Alex Van Pelt upgraded the Offensive Coordination.  No wonder why they couldn't wait to get rid of both guys not too long after scoring 48 FREAKIN points at Pittsburgh.

                                        The weirdest part of all this IMO is that Stefanski applied for the HC position here really only wanting to be the OC calling the plays.  

                                        I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!"
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                                          Oh how people forget the D did far more in that game (or frankly Ben/PIt to lose.that game) than the offense did.  Not like the D scored a TD and gave the O a short field for 3 more scores in the first quarter alone....

                                          Non-Baker Mayfield obsessed Browns fans remember...

                                          Pepperidge Farms remembers too. 

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                                          @dutch-oven said:

                                          Non-Baker Mayfield obsessed Browns fans remember...

                                          Pepperidge Farms remembers too. 

                                          They didn't even have any Alka-Selzer or Tums commercials for Steeler fans getting ill at home in need.  Poor Gorka - that must have been a horrific night for him. ?

                                          I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!"
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