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  • @mddawg said:

    Yeah, but it's now apparent they were not developing two QBs,

    Reason?  The most obvious would be that they've seen the two of them since offseason activities, through TC, PreSeason...and they've concluded that Sanders is not as good as Gabriel.

    or

    Sanders may or may not be better or worse than Gabriel but Stef is going with the guy he stuck his neck out for.

    or

    It's a conspiracy among the coaches & FO to hold Sanders back and keep him from succeeding.  

    @orion said:

    Reason?  The most obvious would be that they've seen the two of them since offseason activities, through TC, PreSeason...and they've concluded that Sanders is not as good as Gabriel.

    or

    Sanders may or may not be better or worse than Gabriel but Stef is going with the guy he stuck his neck out for.

    or

    It's a conspiracy among the coaches & FO to hold Sanders back and keep him from succeeding.  

    Gabriel is Stef's pick and he's developing him. Sanders is management's pick and he had no intention of playing or developing him despite all the public pronouncements. Berry pushed Sanders up the depth chart by trading Flacco. Not a conspiracy just another day in this dysfunctional organizaion

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    @mddawg said:

    Yeah, but it's now apparent they were not developing two QBs, only one which makes the whole QB approach clownish and why nobody takes this team seriously, we're just a punchline now with Myles highlights.

    it would have been foolish to divey up reps between two rookies, either one needs all the reps they can get, but unlike some here I can see more upside with shedur than 5 yard throws dillion and either way one or both may be gone by next year

    @syd said:

    it would have been foolish to divey up reps between two rookies, either one needs all the reps they can get, but unlike some here I can see more upside with shedur than 5 yard throws dillion and either way one or both may be gone by next year

    No need to perfectly divide them but at least a few reps a week could be assigned to the backup IF they were developing both QBs as they claimed.

  • @orion said:

    Reason?  The most obvious would be that they've seen the two of them since offseason activities, through TC, PreSeason...and they've concluded that Sanders is not as good as Gabriel.

    or

    Sanders may or may not be better or worse than Gabriel but Stef is going with the guy he stuck his neck out for.

    or

    It's a conspiracy among the coaches & FO to hold Sanders back and keep him from succeeding.  

    Gabriel is Stef's pick and he's developing him. Sanders is management's pick and he had no intention of playing or developing him despite all the public pronouncements. Berry pushed Sanders up the depth chart by trading Flacco. Not a conspiracy just another day in this dysfunctional organizaion

    @mddawg said:

    Not a conspiracy just another day in this dysfunctional organizaion

    and its not like they are at each others throats (as far as we know) philosophies are different  and I believe they both will be gone at years end, So does it really matter who got who's reps ? 

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    @mddawg said:

    Not a conspiracy just another day in this dysfunctional organizaion

    and its not like they are at each others throats (as far as we know) philosophies are different  and I believe they both will be gone at years end, So does it really matter who got who's reps ? 

    @syd said:

    and its not like they are at each others throats (as far as we know) philosophies are different  and I believe they both will be gone at years end, So does it really matter who got who's reps ? 

    Exactly, this is a war between Stef and management and the kids are the collateral damage.

  • @syd said:

    and its not like they are at each others throats (as far as we know) philosophies are different  and I believe they both will be gone at years end, So does it really matter who got who's reps ? 

    Exactly, this is a war between Stef and management and the kids are the collateral damage.

    @mddawg said:

    Exactly, this is a war between Stef and management and the kids are the collateral damage.

    I really do not think it has gotten that bad, Remember both report separately to jimmy, and if it had gotten that bad one or both would have been canned by now

  • @syd said:

    and its not like they are at each others throats (as far as we know) philosophies are different  and I believe they both will be gone at years end, So does it really matter who got who's reps ? 

    Exactly, this is a war between Stef and management and the kids are the collateral damage.

    @mddawg said:

    Exactly, this is a war between Stef and management and the kids are the collateral damage.

    I thought that Berry & Stef were fairly compatible.  Perhaps the whole FO aura changes a bit without DePo.

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    @nickers said:

    Of course an immature drunken nut job like you would infuse racism into it...

    I never said anything about his skin color you moron... But it sure seems to bother you more than anyone you "Shiddur" knob slobbin' cocksucker!

    for whatever reason you have a deep hatred for a 5th round pick and with your background as a known racist I knew you would be one of the first to respond, I mean honestly what did you expect ? wait forget it, You wanted him to fail just like you did watson. so come on nickers, Just as i told gorka set yourself free and just embrace your racism

    @syd said:

    for whatever reason you have a deep hatred for a 5th round pick and with your background as a known racist I knew you would be one of the first to respond, I mean honestly what did you expect ? wait forget it, You wanted him to fail just like you did watson. so come on nickers, Just as i told gorka set yourself free and just embrace your racism

    Quit putting words or thoughts into my mouth you drunken jerkoff... You're the one stuck on racism... If he can prove he's good..So be it..I didn't like Watson purely on the fact I think he's a scum bag for a human being... Your the one who needs AA to set their soul free... How many times do I have to remind you jerkoffs I was a huge fan of Steve McNair and Warren Moon until I found out Moon was smacking his ol'lady around like Tony Rizzo did to his ol'lady... Grow up drunk...

  • @syd said:

    for whatever reason you have a deep hatred for a 5th round pick and with your background as a known racist I knew you would be one of the first to respond, I mean honestly what did you expect ? wait forget it, You wanted him to fail just like you did watson. so come on nickers, Just as i told gorka set yourself free and just embrace your racism

    Quit putting words or thoughts into my mouth you drunken jerkoff... You're the one stuck on racism... If he can prove he's good..So be it..I didn't like Watson purely on the fact I think he's a scum bag for a human being... Your the one who needs AA to set their soul free... How many times do I have to remind you jerkoffs I was a huge fan of Steve McNair and Warren Moon until I found out Moon was smacking his ol'lady around like Tony Rizzo did to his ol'lady... Grow up drunk...

    @nickers said:

    Quit putting words or thoughts into my mouth you drunken jerkoff... You're the one stuck on racism... If he can prove he's good..So be it..I didn't like Watson purely on the fact I think he's a scum bag for a human being... Your the one who needs AA to set their soul free... How many times do I have to remind you jerkoffs I was a huge fan of Steve McNair and Warren Moon until I found out Moon was smacking his ol'lady around like Tony Rizzo did to his ol'lady... Grow up drunk...

    ya ya ya we heard some of your best friends are black

    now stfu and go  get your fucking helmet before you hurt yourself

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    @nickers said:

    Quit putting words or thoughts into my mouth you drunken jerkoff... You're the one stuck on racism... If he can prove he's good..So be it..I didn't like Watson purely on the fact I think he's a scum bag for a human being... Your the one who needs AA to set their soul free... How many times do I have to remind you jerkoffs I was a huge fan of Steve McNair and Warren Moon until I found out Moon was smacking his ol'lady around like Tony Rizzo did to his ol'lady... Grow up drunk...

    ya ya ya we heard some of your best friends are black

    now stfu and go  get your fucking helmet before you hurt yourself

    @syd said:

    ya ya ya we heard some of your best friends are black

    now stfu and go  get your fucking helmet before you hurt yourself

    Wow... being a dip shit comes easy to you I see... At least I back my claims up with proof.. in pictures, recordings,etc... You just spout off like an entitled bitch on the rag.. I have live footage.. I'll be more than happy to shove it in your face if you like ass hat..

  • @syd said:

    ya ya ya we heard some of your best friends are black

    now stfu and go  get your fucking helmet before you hurt yourself

    Wow... being a dip shit comes easy to you I see... At least I back my claims up with proof.. in pictures, recordings,etc... You just spout off like an entitled bitch on the rag.. I have live footage.. I'll be more than happy to shove it in your face if you like ass hat..

    @nickers said:

    Wow... being a dip shit comes easy to you I see... At least I back my claims up with proof.. in pictures, recordings,etc... You just spout off like an entitled bitch on the rag.. I have live footage.. I'll be more than happy to shove it in your face if you like ass hat..

    proof of what  ? you hit your freaking head again ?

  • @mddawg said:

    Exactly, this is a war between Stef and management and the kids are the collateral damage.

    I thought that Berry & Stef were fairly compatible.  Perhaps the whole FO aura changes a bit without DePo.

    @orion said:

    I thought that Berry & Stef were fairly compatible.  Perhaps the whole FO aura changes a bit without DePo.

    i am assuming that Berry is the one who left Stef without a veteran QB, which is a huge problem, I seriously doubt  Stef wanted to play Sanders this past sunday

  • Well regardless of Sunday they have a week to prepare for Vegas and we should see a repeat sacking party for the Browns after watching what Dallas did last night. I may have to majorly revise my sack total for the season by Myles from 21 to 29 or so. DPOTY once again. 

  • Well regardless of Sunday they have a week to prepare for Vegas and we should see a repeat sacking party for the Browns after watching what Dallas did last night. I may have to majorly revise my sack total for the season by Myles from 21 to 29 or so. DPOTY once again. 

    @texasag1969 said:

    Well regardless of Sunday they have a week to prepare for Vegas and we should see a repeat sacking party for the Browns after watching what Dallas did last night. I may have to majorly revise my sack total for the season by Myles from 21 to 29 or so. DPOTY once again. 

    He’s no TJ Watt, but he’ll do… ?

  • @tiamat63 said:

    I think our entire OLine philosophy stinks.  We need Callahan back and our current guy gone.  

    As far as the draft goes, this past weekend did virtually nothing for us...except that we lost.  As it stands, we could be picking between 2nd & 6th...depending how strength of schedule shakes out at season's end.  

  • @tiamat63 said:

    I've read opinions that this line was never really  that great, it was actually Chubb's skills that led to the success of the running game at it's peak 2020-23 .

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    @nickers said:

    Wow... being a dip shit comes easy to you I see... At least I back my claims up with proof.. in pictures, recordings,etc... You just spout off like an entitled bitch on the rag.. I have live footage.. I'll be more than happy to shove it in your face if you like ass hat..

    proof of what  ? you hit your freaking head again ?

    @syd said:

    proof of what  ? you hit your freaking head again ?

    Aww you're a mad woke little kunt aren't ya..

  • @tiamat63 said:

    I think our entire OLine philosophy stinks.  We need Callahan back and our current guy gone.  

    As far as the draft goes, this past weekend did virtually nothing for us...except that we lost.  As it stands, we could be picking between 2nd & 6th...depending how strength of schedule shakes out at season's end.  

    @orion said:

    I think our entire OLine philosophy stinks.  We need Callahan back and our current guy gone.  

     I would love to see Coach Callahan back.  That said, the "philosophy", at least how I think you're saying it relates to the play I evaluated, hasn't changed.  We ran a ton of weakside zone and iso when Callahan was here and it's a staple design we've carried over in his absence.   The difference is in the players, both talent and age/health/injury.     Individual defeats along the OL sink plays.

     The running game reminds me of 2015.  We expected big things after 2014.  But we had health issues and performance issues at center and RG.  As a result, the running game faltered.   This year is no different.  

     Edit:  I will apologize for the clip, I misspoke in it a couple times.  I worked 10 hours yesterday then started charting plays and posting.   It's weakside ISO, though ends up playing pretty much the same from a lead.   I'll re-post it later.    

     @dutch-oven joined me to follow along and ask questions when I was play charting.  Pretty sure the poor guy could hear the fatigue in my voice. ?

    @mddawg said:

    I've read opinions that this line was never really that great, it was actually Chubb's skills that led to the success of the running game at it's peak 2020-23 .

     Chubb was special for certain things and, like any great RB, made up for mistakes here and there as the greats do.  But, as a whole, the OL from 2020-2023 was quite fantastic and much more consistent than we're seeing now.  

  • @syd said:

    proof of what  ? you hit your freaking head again ?

    Aww you're a mad woke little kunt aren't ya..

    @nickers said:

    Aww you're a mad woke little kunt aren't ya..

    hey nickers your black friends at a bath house really count ?

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    @nickers said:

    Aww you're a mad woke little kunt aren't ya..

    hey nickers your black friends at a bath house really count ?

    @syd said:

    hey nickers your black friends at a bath house really count ?

    WTF are you talking about bone head?... Aren't you tired of me living rent free in your head yet?