Shedeur Sanders

Orion

@texasag1969 said:

mine. It was built in the Chech Republic.

Mine was built in Stuttgart Germany. A company I used to manage shipping for had their largest international distributor located in Stuttgart.

TexasAg1969

@orion said:

Mine was built in Stuttgart Germany. A company I used to manage shipping for had their largest international distributor located in Stuttgart.

Who knew the Chechs would do a better job.?

MDDawg

@texasag1969 said:

And today I have a Honda Civic Hybrid with a 200 hp dual electric engine and my wife has a Subaru Crosstrek, both of which have extremely high reliability. BTW That VFR 800 is a motorcycle. Gave it up as I approached 70 years old. I still miss it because I rode them all my life starting age 16 on my brothers 2 speed Moped.?

Still have the first car I bought stateside '97 Civic Lx manual. It always invites questions parked next to a M3 and X5 at home. Still drives well, can easily hit 80 mph and taught all my kids to drive stick on it (even my daughter). They'd kick and scream about learning stick but now thank me for it as none of their friends can borrow their cars lol.

Orion

@mddawg said:

'97 Civic Lx manual

Got my license with my parents' automatic. My 1st car, a '64 LeMans, manual, 3 on the floor, non syncromesh. I realized that my license was worth crap because now I didn't know how to drive. I got it registered, put the plates on it and my friend came over and said, Well, take me for a ride! I said I didn't know how to drive it. He said, I'll explain it to you as you drive. And off, off, off we went - Did I mention that non syncromesh means that if you're just about at a red light, and it turns green on you, you cannot just shift down into first and continue on? Well, you can't. You have to come to a stop before you can put it into 1st gear...and since it's only a 3 speed, 2nd gear is awfully tall. Therefore, after a few times of somebody beeping their horn at me because I'm stopping at a green light I learned how to feather that clutch and throttle such that I could get out-a-there in 2nd gear.

TexasAg1969

@mddawg said:

Still have the first car I bought stateside '97 Civic Lx manual. It always invites questions parked next to a M3 and X5 at home. Still drives well, can easily hit 80 mph and taught all my kids to drive stick on it (even my daughter). They'd kick and scream about learning stick but now thank me for it as none of their friends can borrow their cars lol.

When I got my D.L. in Venezuela the Mobil employee took me down there with a stick shift car and I had only ever driven automatic in the U.S. The test guy insisted in me driving us about 3 blocks to a local bar. I did this with the Mobil guy sitting next to me on the bench seat doing the shifting with the clutch and stick on the steering column and me working the accelerator and brake pedal. We had 3 beers for about .75 Bolivars which the Mobil guy paid for with a 20 Bolivar note. When change was brought back the testing guy picked up the change and issued my license as soon as we got back to the testing site. Now there's stick shift story for ya. LOLOLOLOL!?

Ibleedbrown

@mddawg said:

Still have the first car I bought stateside '97 Civic Lx manual. It always invites questions parked next to a M3 and X5 at home. Still drives well, can easily hit 80 mph and taught all my kids to drive stick on it (even my daughter). They'd kick and scream about learning stick but now thank me for it as none of their friends can borrow their cars lol.

Good idea. I had that same learning curve thrown at me as a kid, had to learn to drive a stick. Ever heard of an Isuzu Pup? It was a smaller pickup, manual shift and no power steering. That’s what l learned to drive on.

I made a rule that every other car l had would be a stick shift and l’ve stuck with that in to my late 40s. My last car was manual shift ‘05 Civic and it was hands down the best car l’ve ever had. 250k trouble free miles that thing gave me. Other than scheduled maintenance the only thing that ever broke on it was the cable that opens the gas hole lid.

I wanted a hybrid after the Civic finally wore out so l went with an Accord Hybrid. Apparently there’s no such thing as a manual shift hybrid so l gotta wait a few years for my next stick shift.

I got a thing for old AMCs and would love to land a Rambler, ideally ‘65 with three on the tree.

Ibleedbrown

@orion said:

Got my license with my parents' automatic. My 1st car, a '64 LeMans, manual, 3 on the floor, non syncromesh. I realized that my license was worth crap because now I didn't know how to drive. I got it registered, put the plates on it and my friend came over and said, Well, take me for a ride! I said I didn't know how to drive it. He said, I'll explain it to you as you drive. And off, off, off we went - Did I mention that non syncromesh means that if you're just about at a red light, and it turns green on you, you cannot just shift down into first and continue on? Well, you can't. You have to come to a stop before you can put it into 1st gear...and since it's only a 3 speed, 2nd gear is awfully tall. Therefore, after a few times of somebody beeping their horn at me because I'm stopping at a green light I learned how to feather that clutch and throttle such that I could get out-a-there in 2nd gear.

Interesting, l wasn’t aware of what synchromesh meant. Most of my stick shift experience was on 4 or 5 speeds and l was taught to never downshift in to 1st. It’s easy enough to get going in 2nd on those if you soup it up enough on flat ground.

My only experience driving a 3 speed manual was a buddy’s ‘69 Superbee. That’s a fun car. Not many left as their horsepower to braking ratio sucked and a lot of them wound up wrapped around trees or worse.

Ibleedbrown

@texasag1969 said:

When I got my D.L. in Venezuela the Mobil employee took me down there with a stick shift car and I had only ever driven automatic in the U.S. The test guy insisted in me driving us about 3 blocks to a local bar. I did this with the Mobil guy sitting next to me on the bench seat doing the shifting with the clutch and stick on the steering column and me working the accelerator and brake pedal. We had 3 beers for about .75 Bolivars which the Mobil guy paid for with a 20 Bolivar note. When change was brought back the testing guy picked up the change and issued my license as soon as we got back to the testing site. Now there's stick shift story for ya. LOLOLOLOL!?

That is a great story, haha

TexasAg1969

@ibleedbrown said:

That is a great story, haha

Yeah, in the written exam I would come across a word I didn't know and ask for help. Instead of explaining the word he'd point to the correct answer out of 4 choices. I "passed" that too before we took the ride.

syd

Well Shedeur most people are excited to see what you are about with your first full week of practice with the one's and a game plan for your skill set, and if anyone watched the bills game last night houston had Allen running for his life, so it happens, so as i said most people would like to see you succeed except for people like nickers who hates black qb's and would rather watch you fail so he can pat his other klan buddies on the back,and shout put the white guy in

calfoxwc

@orion said:

Got my license with my parents' automatic. My 1st car, a '64 LeMans, manual, 3 on the floor, non syncromesh. I realized that my license was worth crap because now I didn't know how to drive. I got it registered, put the plates on it and my friend came over and said, Well, take me for a ride! I said I didn't know how to drive it. He said, I'll explain it to you as you drive. And off, off, off we went - Did I mention that non syncromesh means that if you're just about at a red light, and it turns green on you, you cannot just shift down into first and continue on? Well, you can't. You have to come to a stop before you can put it into 1st gear...and since it's only a 3 speed, 2nd gear is awfully tall. Therefore, after a few times of somebody beeping their horn at me because I'm stopping at a green light I learned how to feather that clutch and throttle such that I could get out-a-there in 2nd gear.

I got my license in hs, with a Ford Falcon with 99 thousand miles on it, that my parents gave me. lol.

Used to go up a steep hill to get to the movies, and the engine was so worn, it had to be in first gear to get up the hill. That was their funny way of keeping me from getting speeding tickets as a new driver. The upside, was that I was chugging up that steep hill, in first gear, and I'd tell my date that they had to lean forward towards the dash or it would stall out. They would laugh, and I would flutter the accelator a bit, and I'd say "too late, ...crap", and they would lean forward, would stop fluttering,... and it was way too much fun. They would laugh. I got called an idiot a few times. lol

Still in hs, I bought my own '66 Chevy Belaire, 3 on the column. 250 engine, 155 hp, I think it was, 4 door. Great dating car. We drove it to central Ontario on our own graduation vacation - camped way out in the wilderness for two weeks, with our 17' Grumman canoe, down a 6 mile jeep trail, camping on the on the other side of a remote lake. Loved that car. But the frame rusted out, no place to bolt on shocks anymore, so.... I wish I had kept that engine though.

Orion

@calfoxwc said:

I got my license in hs, with a Ford Falcon with 99 thousand miles on it

Cars were usually dead at that mileage back then. Was the Falcon the smaller one or the station wagon? My parents bought a new Falcon wagon in 1961. Engine was too small for the car and had to be replaced within a few years.

calfoxwc

@orion said:

Cars were usually dead at that mileage back then. Was the Falcon the smaller one or the station wagon? My parents bought a new Falcon wagon in 1961. Engine was too small for the car and had to be replaced within a few years.

it was the small one. It was called "big smith hill" back then. Just pretty funny. I tried not to laugh when they caught on, but there was no use. Especially at the top, when I put it back into drive. lol

Ibleedbrown

This was a neat read from our old friend Brian Hoyer sharing his experience as a backup QB for 15 years and relating it to what we saw from Sanders. It’s an excerpt from Peak, which is apparently an offshoot of The Athletic. Cut and paste coming up…

I was a backup quarterback in the NFL. The Shedeur Sanders situation feels familiar

Editor’s note: This story is part of Peak, The Athletic’s desk covering leadership, personal development and performance through the lens of sports. Follow Peak here.

Brian Hoyer played 15 seasons in the NFL. He started 41 games but mostly was a backup for nine teams: the Patriots, Browns, Texans, Bears, Colts, Cardinals, 49ers, Raiders and Steelers.

In 2009, I was an undrafted rookie backing up Tom Brady in New England. I knew nothing at the time. But Tom was so competitive that he wanted every single rep in practice.

Bill O’Brien, our quarterbacks coach, would send me into the huddle to get a rep at practice, and Tom would say, “Get the hell outta of here. I want this rep.” I would be like: “Uh, but … I was supposed to …” And he’d just be like: “Get out of here.”

That was a great thing for me to realize at an early age: This is the NFL. If you want to be successful, you have to take some things into your own hands.

I thought back to that this week after seeing the storyline about Shedeur Sanders’ getting no first-team reps in practice. People want to judge Shedeur good, bad or indifferent after this situation. It seems people want to say either “this is what I expected” or defend him by saying “he didn’t get any reps.” All of that can be true at the same time.

Unfortunately, that’s the life of a backup quarterback sometimes. No one probably knows this better than me: I played the position for 15 years with nine organizations.

During the season, the backup quarterback practices less than any other player on the team because the starter needs the reps. People are always shocked: How do you develop a guy if he’s only getting a couple reps at practice? That’s where I learned early on that you have to take this in your own hands.

So at practice, I stood behind the quarterback for every single play that I didn’t take and watched the defense. Where would I throw the ball based on what I saw? After practice, I would grab some of the younger players, and we’d essentially run through the plays without a defense. I’d get used to calling the play in the huddle, breaking the huddle and making sure people got lined up. I think that was huge in my development.

Sometimes, as a play was going on in practice, I would take a drop like I was in the play: Here’s the pressure, I’m moving to the right, there’s the secondary.

How can you get the mental edge? Because you’re not going to get the physical edge.

I get this comment all the time now that I’m retired: “Backup quarterback, good for you, the greatest job in the world.” I know what people think when they say that: that backups have it easy because they don’t have to go out and get hit and have the pressure on them. But I don’t think people understand what that entails, and this situation with Shedeur Sanders brought it to light.

Sometimes the most nerve-racking games were as a backup rather than a starter. When you’re the starter, the level of responsibility you feel is a 24/7/365 responsibility. It’s all you think about.

When you’re the backup, the week is a little calmer because you’re not feeling that mounting responsibility. But on game day, mentally you are drained after a game because you’re playing the game through your mind; you don’t get to play it through your body. Every snap, I would be somewhere I could see our offense and their defense so I could play the game mentally. After every single play, you immediately look to the quarterback: Is he getting up? Is he getting up slowly? It’s constant. Get ready to go in … nope. Get ready to go in … nope.

When I was the starter, I felt much more involved because after practice, I could come in and watch the practice film and relive what I did. As the backup, I had to relive what someone else did: OK, would I have done that? I probably would have gone here. You make a mental note. On game day, same thing. You have to understand how the game is going without being on the field: We anticipated they were going to play a lot of zone coverage, but today they are playing a lot more man.

In 2019, Andrew Luck abruptly retired from the Colts before the season. I was with the Patriots at the time. Coach Bill Belichick came up to me at the end of training camp and said, “You’re my backup quarterback, but in order to manage this roster, I need to release you and then sign you back after Week 1. I don’t want to lose some of these guys we have to put on IR.”

Then the Colts called. Long story short, I became the backup quarterback to Jacoby Brissett in Indy. I got there literally the Sunday or Monday before the first week of the season. I didn’t know the offense at all.

In Week 9, we played Pittsburgh. I heard the play call over the headset, and it was a quick pass. I thought: There’s no way the quarterback is getting hurt on this play. He’s not going to get hit. Jacoby completed the pass, and then all of a sudden the training staff told me: “Go get ready and warm up.” It just so happened that one of our offensive linemen fell on Jacoby’s ankle, and he was done for the day.

First of all, the amount of adrenaline that hits you all at once pretty much causes you to black out. When I was in Indy, the quarterbacks would get the call sheet for the game on Saturdays. I would go through it and highlight all the plays I was good with. Any play that I wasn’t 100 percent sure I knew what to do or felt good with, I would take a black Sharpie and cross it out. Then I would give that sheet to Nick Sirianni in the event that I had to play.

So in that game, I went up to Sirianni and said, “Get that play sheet out. Don’t call any plays that I’m not comfortable with.”

I threw a touchdown on the first drive and felt good running off the field and then it hit me on the sideline: Oh, s—, it’s go time. I’m going to play the rest of this game, and no one is going to care that I haven’t gotten many reps in practice. They’re only going to care about the results on the field.

You always have to mentally prepare like you’re going to play. I learned during my career I had to fall back on my instincts and preparation. You never know when your moment might come.

— As told to Jayson Jenks

Dutch Oven

The other day I watched the Browns/Ravens game with tia. Watching Shedeur from the All 22 viewpoint - from behind the offense - really showcased his lack of fundamentals at this point of his career. (I honestly was shocked and at one point said to tia "I can't believe he had so many college starts")

He doesn't take his steps back in the pocket, set up and get in position to make a quick throw. He just kind of wanders back, almost aimlessly. He vaguely gets back to what one would think is a seven step area, but then just keeps drifting back, with the ball at his side... You can tell that he vaguely looks downfield at first, but at the first hint of pressure drops his eyes down at the mass of big men in front of him. With horrible footwork, bad set up and wandering eyes its kind of a mess.

I hope I'm wrong, but it could be very ugly Sunday afternoon.

Orion

@dutch-oven said:

The other day I watched the Browns/Ravens game with tia. Watching Shedeur from the All 22 viewpoint - from behind the offense - really showcased his lack of fundamentals at this point of his career. (I honestly was shocked and at one point said to tia "I can't believe he had so many college starts")

He doesn't take his steps back in the pocket, set up and get in position to make a quick throw. He just kind of wanders back, almost aimlessly. He vaguely gets back to what one would think is a seven step area, but then just keeps drifting back, with the ball at his side... You can tell that he vaguely looks downfield at first, but at the first hint of pressure drops his eyes down at the mass of big men in front of him. With horrible footwork, bad set up and wandering eyes its kind of a mess.

I hope I'm wrong, but it could be very ugly Sunday afternoon.

Yeah, he needs development...and he's not getting it here. The Raiders D is not too bad. It's way better than it needs to be to thwart our OL...which will thwart the entire offense. I picture Sanders turning his back to the LOS and turning it into sandlot at the first sign of pressure...because he knows that the OL is bad. But the sad reality, a QB that can carry a team on his back is what our offense needs right now. And that's what Sanders tries to do. He tries to make plays. To make a play out of a play that's going nowhere. And there's LOTS of plays like that when we have the ball.

The post that ibleedbrown posted is a good one.....Brady wanted all the reps. I can understand that....but a really good coach would have to intervene at that point and tell his starter, 'Look, I run this friggin' team! And I want my backup QB to get a few snaps with the starters!' Especially now-a-days with the focus on concussions...with a guy up in a booth watching every hit a player takes for his opportunity to push the button and send a player to the blue tent. I'd want my offense to at least be aware of the different cadence that the backup QB has. That backup may have to come in and finish up a drive because the starter is sent to the tent. He might have to play two possessions...or maybe the rest of the game.

Ibleedbrown

@dutch-oven said:

The other day I watched the Browns/Ravens game with tia. Watching Shedeur from the All 22 viewpoint - from behind the offense - really showcased his lack of fundamentals at this point of his career. (I honestly was shocked and at one point said to tia "I can't believe he had so many college starts")

He doesn't take his steps back in the pocket, set up and get in position to make a quick throw. He just kind of wanders back, almost aimlessly. He vaguely gets back to what one would think is a seven step area, but then just keeps drifting back, with the ball at his side... You can tell that he vaguely looks downfield at first, but at the first hint of pressure drops his eyes down at the mass of big men in front of him. With horrible footwork, bad set up and wandering eyes its kind of a mess.

I hope I'm wrong, but it could be very ugly Sunday afternoon.

I suspect Sanders has more difficulty than other guys absorbing new information. When a guy picks things up quickly, we call that guy a “quick study.” When a guy is the opposite of that, we used to call him “slow” back in the day. I’m sure that’s not a PC thing to say, but l think it’s at the heart of how a guy with plenty of arm talent slid to the 5th round because every coach and GM picked up on it.

I’ll root like hell for the guy, but l think this is the behind the scenes conundrum that Stef and the gang are working with.

tiamat63

@ibleedbrown said:

we used to call him “slow” back in the day. I’m sure that’s not a PC thing to say.

Not PC would be calling that dude retarded. And, let's be real, sometimes it's warranted.

Flugel

@ibleedbrown said:

I suspect Sanders has more difficulty than other guys absorbing new information. When a guy picks things up quickly, we call that guy a “quick study.” When a guy is the opposite of that, we used to call him “slow” back in the day. I’m sure that’s not a PC thing to say, but l think it’s at the heart of how a guy with plenty of arm talent slid to the 5th round because every coach and GM picked up on it.

I’ll root like hell for the guy, but l think this is the behind the scenes conundrum that Stef and the gang are working with.

Understood & I'm rooting for him too. Another thing that appears to be brand new to him is not starting or a need to compete with guys that are either equally good or more experience (ie; Flacco & Pickett prior to both getting released)

I was hoping playing for a former NFL OC who's offense in Philly led the NFC in scoring would have had him showing up with better habits. That same coach was a previous HC of the Browns that also wanted to call the plays. I HATED it but the point is - he was a better coach for other teams than he was for the Browns. Hmmm... I was hoping this would be more of an advantage for Shedeur than it has been thus far. I'm getting tired of this dejavue to the right: I WUZ WRONG!!!

Anyway, just like Gabriel, Shedeur is a rookie. He's gonna get out of it what he puts into it. What that article by Hoyer didn't say was Tom Brady didn't start 1 game his rookie year; but he did play in 1 game where he completed 1 of 3 passes. All we can do is hope both our rookie QBs realize knowledge & preparation don't just begin when it's your turn to start like Hoyer alluded to in that post. They have a position coach & the OC, they had a veteran QB above them, they have meetings, there's film of the opponent showing tendencies - plenty of opportunities to ask questions. You only get out of it what you put into it so.... GIDDY UP AND GET AFTER IT!

MDDawg

Officially named the starter for the SF game so let's see how does with better competition. Schwartz has Shanahan's number so he'll get some help there.