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  • WE WIN!!  

    Wow, the Raiders are bad!  Wow our D looked good!  Ten sacks is crazy!

    We certainly didn't do our draft spot for April any good today.  🙂 

    Happy that Sanders got a win in his first start.  He challenges the back end of the defense occasionally.  He didn't play badly.  He wasn't great...but he's really not surrounded by great.  I think he did better than many of us thought he would.

    Judy catches one ball...and then stops running for a reason only he knows...and then gets the ball poked free.  Geeze!

    I know that the play has been working fairly okay...but I don't like Judkins running the wild cat.  It pretty much screams Run Up The Middle.  Or at least, Run.  

    Crazy good job by the D.  Everyone was making plays.  

    Happy Browns Win everybody!!   🙂  

    @orion said:

    WE WIN!!  

    Wow, the Raiders are bad!  Wow our D looked good!  Ten sacks is crazy!

    We certainly didn't do our draft spot for April any good today.  🙂 

    Happy that Sanders got a win in his first start.  He challenges the back end of the defense occasionally.  He didn't play badly.  He wasn't great...but he's really not surrounded by great.  I think he did better than many of us thought he would.

    Judy catches one ball...and then stops running for a reason only he knows...and then gets the ball poked free.  Geeze!

    I know that the play has been working fairly okay...but I don't like Judkins running the wild cat.  It pretty much screams Run Up The Middle.  Or at least, Run.  

    Crazy good job by the D.  Everyone was making plays.  

    Happy Browns Win everybody!!   🙂  

    I don't like the wild cat simply because hes been injured once this season...

  • any word on Judkins ? 

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    any word on Judkins ? 

    @syd said:

    any word on Judkins ? 

    I think he's okay... just a bit banged up like everybody else I reckon...

  • @syd said:

    any word on Judkins ? 

    I think he's okay... just a bit banged up like everybody else I reckon...

    @nickers said:

    I think he's okay... just a bit banged up like everybody else I reckon...

    TY

  • Great win by the Browns.

    Shedder looked a lot better than I thought he would. His intermediate and deep throws are accurate. Took him 20 pass attempts to get 200 yards, when it took Gabriel 50.

    We gotta start Shedeur. We know Gabriel's ceiling at this point.

  • Great win by the Browns.

    Shedder looked a lot better than I thought he would. His intermediate and deep throws are accurate. Took him 20 pass attempts to get 200 yards, when it took Gabriel 50.

    We gotta start Shedeur. We know Gabriel's ceiling at this point.

    @secondwave said:

    Great win by the Browns.

    Shedder looked a lot better than I thought he would. His intermediate and deep throws are accurate. Took him 20 pass attempts to get 200 yards, when it took Gabriel 50.

    We gotta start Shedeur. We know Gabriel's ceiling at this point.

    To be fair, Gabriel didn't have a screen pass go 66 yards

  • @orion said:

    WE WIN!!  

    Wow, the Raiders are bad!  Wow our D looked good!  Ten sacks is crazy!

    We certainly didn't do our draft spot for April any good today.  🙂 

    Happy that Sanders got a win in his first start.  He challenges the back end of the defense occasionally.  He didn't play badly.  He wasn't great...but he's really not surrounded by great.  I think he did better than many of us thought he would.

    Judy catches one ball...and then stops running for a reason only he knows...and then gets the ball poked free.  Geeze!

    I know that the play has been working fairly okay...but I don't like Judkins running the wild cat.  It pretty much screams Run Up The Middle.  Or at least, Run.  

    Crazy good job by the D.  Everyone was making plays.  

    Happy Browns Win everybody!!   🙂  

    I don't like the wild cat simply because hes been injured once this season...

    @nickers said:

    I don't like the wild cat simply because hes been injured once this season...

    The risk of injuries to a RB is no greater on a WC play than any other running play

  • @secondwave said:

    Great win by the Browns.

    Shedder looked a lot better than I thought he would. His intermediate and deep throws are accurate. Took him 20 pass attempts to get 200 yards, when it took Gabriel 50.

    We gotta start Shedeur. We know Gabriel's ceiling at this point.

    To be fair, Gabriel didn't have a screen pass go 66 yards

    @reality said:

    To be fair, Gabriel didn't have a screen pass go 66 yards

    True...but the long completion to Bond was almost  a TD...so it's kind of a wash.  Plus, who knows how many more yards Judy would've gotten if he didn't stop running after catching his  long ball...

    I've said before, Sampson should be utilized in the passing game.  He can catch, has some twitch, and can accelerate to top speed quickly.  I feel that he'd be more valuable coming out of the backfield, motioning to the slot or the sidelines, than many of our WR room of practice squad receivers.

    Tillman did a nice job blocking on Sampson's screen TD.

  • I think there would be a revolt in the locker room if the Browns benched Sanders and went back to Gabriel. 
     

    In a season where the players know they are hopelessly out of playoff contention, at least give them the QB who they probably at this point prefer. 
     

    He wasn’t great, and dog knows the Raiders are awful on both sides of the ball, but it was nice seeing someone behind center who could possibly get the offense out of second gear occasionally. It’s going to be a roller coaster with Sanders right now, but let’s buy a ticket and enjoy the ride for the last six weeks. 

  • @reality said:

    To be fair, Gabriel didn't have a screen pass go 66 yards

    True...but the long completion to Bond was almost  a TD...so it's kind of a wash.  Plus, who knows how many more yards Judy would've gotten if he didn't stop running after catching his  long ball...

    I've said before, Sampson should be utilized in the passing game.  He can catch, has some twitch, and can accelerate to top speed quickly.  I feel that he'd be more valuable coming out of the backfield, motioning to the slot or the sidelines, than many of our WR room of practice squad receivers.

    Tillman did a nice job blocking on Sampson's screen TD.

    @orion said:

    True...but the long completion to Bond was almost  a TD...so it's kind of a wash.  Plus, who knows how many more yards Judy would've gotten if he didn't stop running after catching his  long ball...

    I've said before, Sampson should be utilized in the passing game.  He can catch, has some twitch, and can accelerate to top speed quickly.  I feel that he'd be more valuable coming out of the backfield, motioning to the slot or the sidelines, than many of our WR room of practice squad receivers.

    Tillman did a nice job blocking on Sampson's screen TD.

    Just saying, throwing out number of passes to get above 200 yards without context of a screen pass going 66 yards is a bit misleading/disingenuous 

  • @secondwave said:

    Great win by the Browns.

    Shedder looked a lot better than I thought he would. His intermediate and deep throws are accurate. Took him 20 pass attempts to get 200 yards, when it took Gabriel 50.

    We gotta start Shedeur. We know Gabriel's ceiling at this point.

    To be fair, Gabriel didn't have a screen pass go 66 yards

    @reality said:

    To be fair, Gabriel didn't have a screen pass go 66 yards

    to be fair gabriel never had a pass go over 30 yards sanders had 3

  • Did yaz happen to notice Stef trying to minimize the use of his Special Teams at the end of the game?   We were right there in FG range...yet Stef punted.  I mean...the FG could've been blocked.  Even if the FG was good we'd have to kick off to them and tackle the guy with the ball.  🙂  

  • Did yaz happen to notice Stef trying to minimize the use of his Special Teams at the end of the game?   We were right there in FG range...yet Stef punted.  I mean...the FG could've been blocked.  Even if the FG was good we'd have to kick off to them and tackle the guy with the ball.  🙂  

    @orion said:

    Did yaz happen to notice Stef trying to minimize the use of his Special Teams at the end of the game?   We were right there in FG range...yet Stef punted.  I mean...the FG could've been blocked.  Even if the FG was good we'd have to kick off to them and tackle the guy with the ball.  🙂  

    I can’t say I’ve ever seen a NFL team punt inside the opposing team’s 30 before ?

  • @orion said:

    Did yaz happen to notice Stef trying to minimize the use of his Special Teams at the end of the game?   We were right there in FG range...yet Stef punted.  I mean...the FG could've been blocked.  Even if the FG was good we'd have to kick off to them and tackle the guy with the ball.  🙂  

    I can’t say I’ve ever seen a NFL team punt inside the opposing team’s 30 before ?

    @dutch-oven said:

    I can’t say I’ve ever seen a NFL team punt inside the opposing team’s 30 before ?

    Probably wanted to give Myles another chance to pad his sacks total for the year. He’s 5 away from the single season record. 

    https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/myles-garrett-is-5-0-sacks-away-from-breaking-the-single-season-sack-record

  • @secondwave said:

    Great win by the Browns.

    Shedder looked a lot better than I thought he would. His intermediate and deep throws are accurate. Took him 20 pass attempts to get 200 yards, when it took Gabriel 50.

    We gotta start Shedeur. We know Gabriel's ceiling at this point.

    To be fair, Gabriel didn't have a screen pass go 66 yards

    @reality said:

    To be fair, Gabriel didn't have a screen pass go 66 yards

    Yeah because he missed his wide open receiver who would've taken it to the house in the Jets game I think. 

  • @reality said:

    To be fair, Gabriel didn't have a screen pass go 66 yards

    Yeah because he missed his wide open receiver who would've taken it to the house in the Jets game I think. 

    @mddawg said:

    Yeah because he missed his wide open receiver who would've taken it to the house in the Jets game I think. 

    I do not recall any missed screen pass setup in the Jets game.

    I am not trying to defend Gabriel.  I am simply pointing out that stats and stat comparisons in a vacuum (example: X number of passes to get to X number of passing yards), without context, can be very misleading 

  • Did yaz happen to notice Stef trying to minimize the use of his Special Teams at the end of the game?   We were right there in FG range...yet Stef punted.  I mean...the FG could've been blocked.  Even if the FG was good we'd have to kick off to them and tackle the guy with the ball.  🙂  

    @orion said:

    Did yaz happen to notice Stef trying to minimize the use of his Special Teams at the end of the game?   We were right there in FG range...yet Stef punted.  I mean...the FG could've been blocked.  Even if the FG was good we'd have to kick off to them and tackle the guy with the ball.  🙂  

    Score was 24-10, with about 1 minute left. LV is out of TOs.  No reason to even attempt a 51 yard FG.  Simply missing it gives LV the ball on their 41 yard line.  That is providing opportunity for a quick TD, an onside kick, and time to do it all. 

    This has less to do with STs (punt team is still ST) and more to do with game and time management.  Provide the greatest distances with the least amount of game time for the opponent to score two TDs.  If LV is trailing by 7 or 10 the approach would be different.

  • @mddawg said:

    Yeah because he missed his wide open receiver who would've taken it to the house in the Jets game I think. 

    I do not recall any missed screen pass setup in the Jets game.

    I am not trying to defend Gabriel.  I am simply pointing out that stats and stat comparisons in a vacuum (example: X number of passes to get to X number of passing yards), without context, can be very misleading 

    @reality said:

    I do not recall any missed screen pass setup in the Jets game.

    I am not trying to defend Gabriel.  I am simply pointing out that stats and stat comparisons in a vacuum (example: X number of passes to get to X number of passing yards), without context, can be very misleading 

    Agreed. But 30 more pass attempts to get 13 more yards is enough to say otherwise.

    Regardless, I'm pumped to see how this offense looks this Sunday vs the 49ers.

  • @dutch-oven said:

    I can’t say I’ve ever seen a NFL team punt inside the opposing team’s 30 before ?

    Probably wanted to give Myles another chance to pad his sacks total for the year. He’s 5 away from the single season record. 

    https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/myles-garrett-is-5-0-sacks-away-from-breaking-the-single-season-sack-record

    @ibleedbrown said:

    Probably wanted to give Myles another chance to pad his sacks total

    I don't think that Myles played anymore after that punt.