5 QB’s In The Room
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I agree, like the line at the end of First Blood:
"It's over Johnny, it's over."
I didn't want the Browns to trade for Watson, because deep down I thought the only way he'd be able to succeed after all the off-field nonsense, all the negativity that surrounded him was if he was a straight-up sociopath. I worried that he'd never be able to move past all the drama in his life, all the chirping in his ears, being hated everywhere he went. Most people/players want to be liked. There are few people who enjoy being the bad guy, and he was the bad guy not because of what he did on the field (like Draymond Green or Bill Laimbeer) but because of what he did off it.
Not only were my worries about this found to be true, but he went from a guy who never missed time with injuries to a guy whose body started failing him - and these weren't minor injuries. His shoulder broke. He tore his Achilles twice.
But wait - there's more: What we never heard until a year or so into his Browns run was stories from Houston on how years into his NFL career he was still always looking towards the sideline for help on what to do. He was pretty much force-fed everything with the Texans. And yes, he was a top 5 QB with Houston, it appears his success was a house of cards. Another giant problem was how poorly paired Watson and Stefanski were.
I have never heard/read any stories on the last part.
On the pairing, I have always felt that was more Watson than Steff. With the skills Watson had, I never understood why he would not want to play in a PA base scheme that made it easier for him. As fat as I am concerned PA from the gun doesn't do much
I have never heard/read any stories on the last part.
On the pairing, I have always felt that was more Watson than Steff. With the skills Watson had, I never understood why he would not want to play in a PA base scheme that made it easier for him. As fat as I am concerned PA from the gun doesn't do much
I know I'm one of the younger (youngest?) guys on the board, but I can't stress how much the game at the developmental levels, jr high, high school and college, has changed.
4 years ago I got into assistant coaching and was flat out told by the QB I was working with that he had never been under center or turned his back to a defense.
Gun based things tend to allow us to work more quick hitting passes from RPO looks with greater field vision and confidence. Let's say I'm running a solo glance against a +1 box and basing my read off the leverage of the weak backer, I'm damn well sure I wouldn't be under center. What I'm conveying is that, as coaches moved to create designs that "manufactured" more yards, we ended up hurting our players because we didn't ask more of them. And when we didn't push them out of the comfort zones, they didn't improve on the mechanics of staple things - UC work and PAP.
The fact college got away from being under center so much, even with the QB centric running game, never made much sense to me. The range of things you can implement from under center is incredible. Good news is, I've seen us coming full circle and going back under center more at the lowest levels.
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We will see, you might end up being right. If he leaves Cleveland and then has success somewhere else, well…
Sometimes I'd rather be wrong; and this feels like one of those... One thing is for sure and I think we'll all agree - the Browns gotta be healthy consumers in the draft moving forward. The 2025 draft for the Browns got the train back on the tracks. Maybe even at QB by accident...
If QB is the most important position of every NFL franchise - leaving Raggedy Ann & Andy equivalents in charge of our pass pro on the edges is inexcusable.
Sometimes I'd rather be wrong; and this feels like one of those... One thing is for sure and I think we'll all agree - the Browns gotta be healthy consumers in the draft moving forward. The 2025 draft for the Browns got the train back on the tracks. Maybe even at QB by accident...
If QB is the most important position of every NFL franchise - leaving Raggedy Ann & Andy equivalents in charge of our pass pro on the edges is inexcusable.
That being said, I would be shocked if Watson ever got even close to his 2018-20 form.
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Sometimes I'd rather be wrong; and this feels like one of those... One thing is for sure and I think we'll all agree - the Browns gotta be healthy consumers in the draft moving forward. The 2025 draft for the Browns got the train back on the tracks. Maybe even at QB by accident...
If QB is the most important position of every NFL franchise - leaving Raggedy Ann & Andy equivalents in charge of our pass pro on the edges is inexcusable.
That being said, I would be shocked if Watson ever got even close to his 2018-20 form.
That being said, I would be shocked if Watson ever got even close to his 2018-20 form.
Yeah that ship has sailed. What am I talking about? It never sailed - it sunk!
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I have never heard/read any stories on the last part.
On the pairing, I have always felt that was more Watson than Steff. With the skills Watson had, I never understood why he would not want to play in a PA base scheme that made it easier for him. As fat as I am concerned PA from the gun doesn't do much
I know I'm one of the younger (youngest?) guys on the board, but I can't stress how much the game at the developmental levels, jr high, high school and college, has changed.
4 years ago I got into assistant coaching and was flat out told by the QB I was working with that he had never been under center or turned his back to a defense.
Gun based things tend to allow us to work more quick hitting passes from RPO looks with greater field vision and confidence. Let's say I'm running a solo glance against a +1 box and basing my read off the leverage of the weak backer, I'm damn well sure I wouldn't be under center. What I'm conveying is that, as coaches moved to create designs that "manufactured" more yards, we ended up hurting our players because we didn't ask more of them. And when we didn't push them out of the comfort zones, they didn't improve on the mechanics of staple things - UC work and PAP.
The fact college got away from being under center so much, even with the QB centric running game, never made much sense to me. The range of things you can implement from under center is incredible. Good news is, I've seen us coming full circle and going back under center more at the lowest levels.
I know I'm one of the younger (youngest?) guys on the board, but I can't stress how much the game at the developmental levels, jr high, high school and college, has changed.
4 years ago I got into assistant coaching and was flat out told by the QB I was working with that he had never been under center or turned his back to a defense.
Gun based things tend to allow us to work more quick hitting passes from RPO looks with greater field vision and confidence. Let's say I'm running a solo glance against a +1 box and basing my read off the leverage of the weak backer, I'm damn well sure I wouldn't be under center. What I'm conveying is that, as coaches moved to create designs that "manufactured" more yards, we ended up hurting our players because we didn't ask more of them. And when we didn't push them out of the comfort zones, they didn't improve on the mechanics of staple things - UC work and PAP.
The fact college got away from being under center so much, even with the QB centric running game, never made much sense to me. The range of things you can implement from under center is incredible. Good news is, I've seen us coming full circle and going back under center more at the lowest levels.
College coaches are not developing players, they are trying to win and generate revenue. Its why NFL game in part started to incorporate more of that style with you QBs. No choice
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I know I'm one of the younger (youngest?) guys on the board, but I can't stress how much the game at the developmental levels, jr high, high school and college, has changed.
4 years ago I got into assistant coaching and was flat out told by the QB I was working with that he had never been under center or turned his back to a defense.
Gun based things tend to allow us to work more quick hitting passes from RPO looks with greater field vision and confidence. Let's say I'm running a solo glance against a +1 box and basing my read off the leverage of the weak backer, I'm damn well sure I wouldn't be under center. What I'm conveying is that, as coaches moved to create designs that "manufactured" more yards, we ended up hurting our players because we didn't ask more of them. And when we didn't push them out of the comfort zones, they didn't improve on the mechanics of staple things - UC work and PAP.
The fact college got away from being under center so much, even with the QB centric running game, never made much sense to me. The range of things you can implement from under center is incredible. Good news is, I've seen us coming full circle and going back under center more at the lowest levels.
College coaches are not developing players, they are trying to win and generate revenue. Its why NFL game in part started to incorporate more of that style with you QBs. No choice
College coaches are not developing players, they are trying to win and generate revenue. Its why NFL game in part started to incorporate more of that style with you QBs. No choice
They are developing players. But it's to the extent and to what end they are developing players. I've said it before, but a lot of what we do anymore is a "nanny-state" offense.
Brady summarized words that I was struggling to find, but what he's saying here carries a great deal of weight with me.
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College coaches are not developing players, they are trying to win and generate revenue. Its why NFL game in part started to incorporate more of that style with you QBs. No choice
They are developing players. But it's to the extent and to what end they are developing players. I've said it before, but a lot of what we do anymore is a "nanny-state" offense.
Brady summarized words that I was struggling to find, but what he's saying here carries a great deal of weight with me.
They are developing players. But it's to the extent and to what end they are developing players. I've said it before, but a lot of what we do anymore is a "nanny-state" offense.
Brady summarized words that I was struggling to find, but what he's saying here carries a great deal of weight with me.
Yeah, when I say not developing I mean for the next level. Today, at the college level (or even below) the "development" is to suit the programs needs, not for the player long term needs. Don't get me wrong, i understand why it is that way.
If I were to take it out of the sports world and in to say the business world, most bosses are going to "coach" to what they need for their goals, not to what is actually long term best for the employee long term goals.
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Rumor says Kylar Murray is looking for houses in Strongsville.
Giggety
He might be shorter than Gabriel. It would look like a bunch of Keebler Elves in the meeting room when QBs have their meetings with the offensive coaches.
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could this be a tip of the hat as our plans for next years draft ? and if so I would keep Stefanski for one more year and unless the team balls out bring in a new coach with out new QB via the draft
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could this be a tip of the hat as our plans for next years draft ? and if so I would keep Stefanski for one more year and unless the team balls out bring in a new coach with out new QB via the draft
could this be a tip of the hat as our plans for next years draft ? and if so I would keep Stefanski for one more year and unless the team balls out bring in a new coach with out new QB via the draft
This news is not surprising in any bit. The contract always made releasing him next year a problem. Him working with the QBs has been known since camp.
The only things which would change CLE approach to taking a first round QB in the 2026 draft are a) they cant get one of the QBs they view as such in the draft b) Sanders plays so well down the stretch that he earns going in to 2026 as the starter.
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could this be a tip of the hat as our plans for next years draft ? and if so I would keep Stefanski for one more year and unless the team balls out bring in a new coach with out new QB via the draft
This news is not surprising in any bit. The contract always made releasing him next year a problem. Him working with the QBs has been known since camp.
The only things which would change CLE approach to taking a first round QB in the 2026 draft are a) they cant get one of the QBs they view as such in the draft b) Sanders plays so well down the stretch that he earns going in to 2026 as the starter.
This news is not surprising in any bit. The contract always made releasing him next year a problem. Him working with the QBs has been known since camp.
The only things which would change CLE approach to taking a first round QB in the 2026 draft are a) they cant get one of the QBs they view as such in the draft b) Sanders plays so well down the stretch that he earns going in to 2026 as the starter.
the fuck it isn't, first I never thought #4 would play another down for us. second reading between the lines tells me that we will not draft a qb in this years draft as many on the talking heads want you to believe. Also what qb are you going to draft with a top 5 pick ? besides Mandoza (who I would not draft let some other sucker move up to get him ) So tell me what qb are you going to draft with our pick ?
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Yesterday's performance shows me that Sanders is miles above our pigmy other rookie QB, but will the FO and Stef be able to admit it and really continue development of Sanders? Leave him in the rest of the season and work with him. He may be a rookie and it may have been one of the worse defenses, but still 4 TD and 300+ yeards cannot be ignored. I'd forego drafting another and work with him a full season. Even Brady says with time the game slows down and processing speeds up. He should know. Kid has the arm for sure.
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Yesterday's performance shows me that Sanders is miles above our pigmy other rookie QB, but will the FO and Stef be able to admit it and really continue development of Sanders? Leave him in the rest of the season and work with him. He may be a rookie and it may have been one of the worse defenses, but still 4 TD and 300+ yeards cannot be ignored. I'd forego drafting another and work with him a full season. Even Brady says with time the game slows down and processing speeds up. He should know. Kid has the arm for sure.
Yesterday's performance shows me that Sanders is miles above our pigmy other rookie QB, but will the FO and Stef be able to admit it and really continue development of Sanders? Leave him in the rest of the season and work with him. He may be a rookie and it may have been one of the worse defenses, but still 4 TD and 300+ yeards cannot be ignored. I'd forego drafting another and work with him a full season. Even Brady says with time the game slows down and processing speeds up. He should know. Kid has the arm for sure.
The Titans defense currently ranks higher than our remaining opponents on the schedule. Their situation is similar to ours where the offense stinks.
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Yesterday's performance shows me that Sanders is miles above our pigmy other rookie QB, but will the FO and Stef be able to admit it and really continue development of Sanders? Leave him in the rest of the season and work with him. He may be a rookie and it may have been one of the worse defenses, but still 4 TD and 300+ yeards cannot be ignored. I'd forego drafting another and work with him a full season. Even Brady says with time the game slows down and processing speeds up. He should know. Kid has the arm for sure.
He may be a rookie and it may have been one of the worse defenses,
As MDDawg pointed out, the Titans D is not one of the worse defenses. You shoulda' checked out my Tale of the Tape for the game.
After accounting for 4 TD's and 346 passing yards on Sunday, there ain't no leaving him on the bench anymore. That ship has sailed.
Watson can be the backup QB and private tutor to the QB's next year.
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He may be a rookie and it may have been one of the worse defenses,
As MDDawg pointed out, the Titans D is not one of the worse defenses. You shoulda' checked out my Tale of the Tape for the game.
After accounting for 4 TD's and 346 passing yards on Sunday, there ain't no leaving him on the bench anymore. That ship has sailed.
Watson can be the backup QB and private tutor to the QB's next year.
As MDDawg pointed out, the Titans D is not one of the worse defenses. You shoulda' checked out my Tale of the Tape for the game.
After accounting for 4 TD's and 346 passing yards on Sunday, there ain't no leaving him on the bench anymore. That ship has sailed.
Watson can be the backup QB and private tutor to the QB's next year.
Can't say I would have ever predicted this scenario, but here we are... ?
Sanders performance yesterday has given me the most optimism for the Browns in quite a while. Who knows if it is the beginning of something great or just fool's gold, but if he hits, this last draft could end up being one of the best in Browns history, and possibly what turns the team's fortunes.
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Shedeur: I've watched some of his interviews (not a ton). He's not a 'wordsmith'. But he drawls and slangs you his point of views...with a smile and a humble but confident style. He thanks God. He praises his team mates and coaches. When he gets a question that's looking for dirt, he points it straight out to the questioner, 'You're trying to cause trouble.' He'll then point out how happy he is to be here, etc.
Some say he's cocky. I see someone who stands up for his successes and abilities. He's confident in himself while still admitting that he's got stuff to learn and clean up. That's what I want in a QB. If an interviewer asks him if he thinks he has the talent to be a starting QB in the NFL, don't be surprised to hear, 'Nah, I think I should be LB'er.' A lighthearted jab with a smile. I like it. Kinda' reminds me of myself. I was always lighthearted, tried to make people smile / laugh. I like to laugh. But I put in the effort at my job, I worked hard to rise to manager. And from what I hear Shedeur is liked by his team mates and is a hard worker at his job.
When his embarrassing draft slide ended with us trading up and drafting him, I was quiet happy because I felt like he had been linked to us all winter...and that it was with us that he belonged. And when that happened Denzel Ward tweeted out to him, Time to be Legendary. Well, that whole legendary thing had blown up in his face over that weekend...but I remember that I had quoted something Dutch had posted (Dutch was not alone in not wanting him), and I responded something like, The Fat Lady can't start singing on Sanders yet. And the truth is, he's always had a shot at making that draft Legendary. But to do that, he has to make his career Legendary. It's a looong shot. And he's only had one good football game, that wound up as a loss......but the Fat Lady? She still can't start singing.
In reality, I'm not a huge fan of his Legendary Arm thing during games. But, it's his schtick. Many of the players now-a-days have to have their brand schtick thing. I kinda' like Myles' parting of the seas thing that he does.
So this long, rambling post's message can be mocked and laughed at in a months time if Shedeur reverts back to playing like he did back in August against the Rams, looking like he was nowhere near ready to be an NFL QB. Back then I was down on him as starting over anyone, that he had a lot to learn. He's got a month to show that he just needs a couple of more guys to throw to and a couple of more guys to block for him (and Judkins).
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Yesterday's performance shows me that Sanders is miles above our pigmy other rookie QB, but will the FO and Stef be able to admit it and really continue development of Sanders? Leave him in the rest of the season and work with him. He may be a rookie and it may have been one of the worse defenses, but still 4 TD and 300+ yeards cannot be ignored. I'd forego drafting another and work with him a full season. Even Brady says with time the game slows down and processing speeds up. He should know. Kid has the arm for sure.
The Titans defense currently ranks higher than our remaining opponents on the schedule. Their situation is similar to ours where the offense stinks.
The Titans defense currently ranks higher than our remaining opponents on the schedule. Their situation is similar to ours where the offense stinks.
Simmons was a FREAKIN Beast. I had to hide my beer because I thought he was going to break through my tv screen...
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