5 QB’s In The Room
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Remember, Watson had his 27 game sabbatical. He never seemed the same from a processing perspective from his first start and onwards.
Continuing to invest in him from any primary or secondary planning for him to play or play anything like the guy from 6 years ago at this point is thinking digging deeper in a hole is going to get you out of the hole.
I agree, like the line at the end of First Blood:
"It's over Johnny, it's over."
I didn't want the Browns to trade for Watson, because deep down I thought the only way he'd be able to succeed after all the off-field nonsense, all the negativity that surrounded him was if he was a straight-up sociopath. I worried that he'd never be able to move past all the drama in his life, all the chirping in his ears, being hated everywhere he went. Most people/players want to be liked. There are few people who enjoy being the bad guy, and he was the bad guy not because of what he did on the field (like Draymond Green or Bill Laimbeer) but because of what he did off it.
Not only were my worries about this found to be true, but he went from a guy who never missed time with injuries to a guy whose body started failing him - and these weren't minor injuries. His shoulder broke. He tore his Achilles twice.
But wait - there's more: What we never heard until a year or so into his Browns run was stories from Houston on how years into his NFL career he was still always looking towards the sideline for help on what to do. He was pretty much force-fed everything with the Texans. And yes, he was a top 5 QB with Houston, it appears his success was a house of cards. Another giant problem was how poorly paired Watson and Stefanski were.
I agree, like the line at the end of First Blood:
"It's over Johnny, it's over."
I didn't want the Browns to trade for Watson, because deep down I thought the only way he'd be able to succeed after all the off-field nonsense, all the negativity that surrounded him was if he was a straight-up sociopath. I worried that he'd never be able to move past all the drama in his life, all the chirping in his ears, being hated everywhere he went. Most people/players want to be liked. There are few people who enjoy being the bad guy, and he was the bad guy not because of what he did on the field (like Draymond Green or Bill Laimbeer) but because of what he did off it.
Not only were my worries about this found to be true, but he went from a guy who never missed time with injuries to a guy whose body started failing him - and these weren't minor injuries. His shoulder broke. He tore his Achilles twice.
But wait - there's more: What we never heard until a year or so into his Browns run was stories from Houston on how years into his NFL career he was still always looking towards the sideline for help on what to do. He was pretty much force-fed everything with the Texans. And yes, he was a top 5 QB with Houston, it appears his success was a house of cards. Another giant problem was how poorly paired Watson and Stefanski were.
Good post.
I also felt that all of his sexual/legal problems were going to weigh very heavily on him (or most anyone in that position) and that it could quite possibly affect his football playing future. But I, like the organization's brain trust, had soured on Mayfield...so I didn't complain.
Aside from that, when the trade happened, the back of my brain said to me, "Remember when the Texans came to play us on that rather cold, rainy, not nice day? And he didn't play well. And he actually looked disinterested...like he just wanted to get the hell away from the lousy weather, get on the plane, and go home?" Well, the dumb-ass front of my brain said, "Don't listen to that. He's better than Mayfield".
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Remember, Watson had his 27 game sabbatical. He never seemed the same from a processing perspective from his first start and onwards.
Continuing to invest in him from any primary or secondary planning for him to play or play anything like the guy from 6 years ago at this point is thinking digging deeper in a hole is going to get you out of the hole.
I agree, like the line at the end of First Blood:
"It's over Johnny, it's over."
I didn't want the Browns to trade for Watson, because deep down I thought the only way he'd be able to succeed after all the off-field nonsense, all the negativity that surrounded him was if he was a straight-up sociopath. I worried that he'd never be able to move past all the drama in his life, all the chirping in his ears, being hated everywhere he went. Most people/players want to be liked. There are few people who enjoy being the bad guy, and he was the bad guy not because of what he did on the field (like Draymond Green or Bill Laimbeer) but because of what he did off it.
Not only were my worries about this found to be true, but he went from a guy who never missed time with injuries to a guy whose body started failing him - and these weren't minor injuries. His shoulder broke. He tore his Achilles twice.
But wait - there's more: What we never heard until a year or so into his Browns run was stories from Houston on how years into his NFL career he was still always looking towards the sideline for help on what to do. He was pretty much force-fed everything with the Texans. And yes, he was a top 5 QB with Houston, it appears his success was a house of cards. Another giant problem was how poorly paired Watson and Stefanski were.
I agree, like the line at the end of First Blood:
"It's over Johnny, it's over."
I didn't want the Browns to trade for Watson, because deep down I thought the only way he'd be able to succeed after all the off-field nonsense, all the negativity that surrounded him was if he was a straight-up sociopath. I worried that he'd never be able to move past all the drama in his life, all the chirping in his ears, being hated everywhere he went. Most people/players want to be liked. There are few people who enjoy being the bad guy, and he was the bad guy not because of what he did on the field (like Draymond Green or Bill Laimbeer) but because of what he did off it.
Not only were my worries about this found to be true, but he went from a guy who never missed time with injuries to a guy whose body started failing him - and these weren't minor injuries. His shoulder broke. He tore his Achilles twice.
But wait - there's more: What we never heard until a year or so into his Browns run was stories from Houston on how years into his NFL career he was still always looking towards the sideline for help on what to do. He was pretty much force-fed everything with the Texans. And yes, he was a top 5 QB with Houston, it appears his success was a house of cards. Another giant problem was how poorly paired Watson and Stefanski were.
I have never heard/read any stories on the last part.
On the pairing, I have always felt that was more Watson than Steff. With the skills Watson had, I never understood why he would not want to play in a PA base scheme that made it easier for him. As fat as I am concerned PA from the gun doesn't do much
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I agree, like the line at the end of First Blood:
"It's over Johnny, it's over."
I didn't want the Browns to trade for Watson, because deep down I thought the only way he'd be able to succeed after all the off-field nonsense, all the negativity that surrounded him was if he was a straight-up sociopath. I worried that he'd never be able to move past all the drama in his life, all the chirping in his ears, being hated everywhere he went. Most people/players want to be liked. There are few people who enjoy being the bad guy, and he was the bad guy not because of what he did on the field (like Draymond Green or Bill Laimbeer) but because of what he did off it.
Not only were my worries about this found to be true, but he went from a guy who never missed time with injuries to a guy whose body started failing him - and these weren't minor injuries. His shoulder broke. He tore his Achilles twice.
But wait - there's more: What we never heard until a year or so into his Browns run was stories from Houston on how years into his NFL career he was still always looking towards the sideline for help on what to do. He was pretty much force-fed everything with the Texans. And yes, he was a top 5 QB with Houston, it appears his success was a house of cards. Another giant problem was how poorly paired Watson and Stefanski were.
I have never heard/read any stories on the last part.
On the pairing, I have always felt that was more Watson than Steff. With the skills Watson had, I never understood why he would not want to play in a PA base scheme that made it easier for him. As fat as I am concerned PA from the gun doesn't do much
I have never heard/read any stories on the last part.
On the pairing, I have always felt that was more Watson than Steff. With the skills Watson had, I never understood why he would not want to play in a PA base scheme that made it easier for him. As fat as I am concerned PA from the gun doesn't do much
I can't remember who told the stories, it might have been Zac Jackson or Jason Lloyd from The Athletic, but they relayed stories from Houston guys they knew who were at Texans practices... this wasn't his rookie season, but like season 3 or 4 there and while running the offense in practice he constantly kept looking over to the sideline for help. The guy who relayed the story said it was very odd considering how experienced he was at the time.
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Remember, Watson had his 27 game sabbatical. He never seemed the same from a processing perspective from his first start and onwards.
Continuing to invest in him from any primary or secondary planning for him to play or play anything like the guy from 6 years ago at this point is thinking digging deeper in a hole is going to get you out of the hole.
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Remember, Watson had his 27 game sabbatical. He never seemed the same from a processing perspective from his first start and onwards.
Continuing to invest in him from any primary or secondary planning for him to play or play anything like the guy from 6 years ago at this point is thinking digging deeper in a hole is going to get you out of the hole.
I agree, like the line at the end of First Blood:
"It's over Johnny, it's over."
I didn't want the Browns to trade for Watson, because deep down I thought the only way he'd be able to succeed after all the off-field nonsense, all the negativity that surrounded him was if he was a straight-up sociopath. I worried that he'd never be able to move past all the drama in his life, all the chirping in his ears, being hated everywhere he went. Most people/players want to be liked. There are few people who enjoy being the bad guy, and he was the bad guy not because of what he did on the field (like Draymond Green or Bill Laimbeer) but because of what he did off it.
Not only were my worries about this found to be true, but he went from a guy who never missed time with injuries to a guy whose body started failing him - and these weren't minor injuries. His shoulder broke. He tore his Achilles twice.
But wait - there's more: What we never heard until a year or so into his Browns run was stories from Houston on how years into his NFL career he was still always looking towards the sideline for help on what to do. He was pretty much force-fed everything with the Texans. And yes, he was a top 5 QB with Houston, it appears his success was a house of cards. Another giant problem was how poorly paired Watson and Stefanski were.
I agree, like the line at the end of First Blood:
"It's over Johnny, it's over."
I didn't want the Browns to trade for Watson, because deep down I thought the only way he'd be able to succeed after all the off-field nonsense, all the negativity that surrounded him was if he was a straight-up sociopath. I worried that he'd never be able to move past all the drama in his life, all the chirping in his ears, being hated everywhere he went. Most people/players want to be liked. There are few people who enjoy being the bad guy, and he was the bad guy not because of what he did on the field (like Draymond Green or Bill Laimbeer) but because of what he did off it.
Not only were my worries about this found to be true, but he went from a guy who never missed time with injuries to a guy whose body started failing him - and these weren't minor injuries. His shoulder broke. He tore his Achilles twice.
But wait - there's more: What we never heard until a year or so into his Browns run was stories from Houston on how years into his NFL career he was still always looking towards the sideline for help on what to do. He was pretty much force-fed everything with the Texans. And yes, he was a top 5 QB with Houston, it appears his success was a house of cards. Another giant problem was how poorly paired Watson and Stefanski were.
I got my ass handed to me in this thread. ? The Rambo analogy was good but this whole thing feels more like Friday the 13th - and Freddy Krueger is still under contract in this sequel.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
i.e. Watson and why he sucked here.
I don't think it's more complicated than some are making it out to be. The reality is when you have over two years off at the hardest position in all of sports while being marred in controversy it results in skills being diminished. Couple that with the objective fact he never wanted to be here but got an offer he couldn't refuse, it's pretty easy to see. God every time I think of this shit it makes me want to punch Haslam.
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I agree, like the line at the end of First Blood:
"It's over Johnny, it's over."
I didn't want the Browns to trade for Watson, because deep down I thought the only way he'd be able to succeed after all the off-field nonsense, all the negativity that surrounded him was if he was a straight-up sociopath. I worried that he'd never be able to move past all the drama in his life, all the chirping in his ears, being hated everywhere he went. Most people/players want to be liked. There are few people who enjoy being the bad guy, and he was the bad guy not because of what he did on the field (like Draymond Green or Bill Laimbeer) but because of what he did off it.
Not only were my worries about this found to be true, but he went from a guy who never missed time with injuries to a guy whose body started failing him - and these weren't minor injuries. His shoulder broke. He tore his Achilles twice.
But wait - there's more: What we never heard until a year or so into his Browns run was stories from Houston on how years into his NFL career he was still always looking towards the sideline for help on what to do. He was pretty much force-fed everything with the Texans. And yes, he was a top 5 QB with Houston, it appears his success was a house of cards. Another giant problem was how poorly paired Watson and Stefanski were.
I got my ass handed to me in this thread. ? The Rambo analogy was good but this whole thing feels more like Friday the 13th - and Freddy Krueger is still under contract in this sequel.
I got my ass handed to me in this thread. ? The Rambo analogy was good but this whole thing feels more like Friday the 13th - and Freddy Krueger is still under contract in this sequel.
We will see, you might end up being right. If he leaves Cleveland and then has success somewhere else, well…
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I got my ass handed to me in this thread. ? The Rambo analogy was good but this whole thing feels more like Friday the 13th - and Freddy Krueger is still under contract in this sequel.
We will see, you might end up being right. If he leaves Cleveland and then has success somewhere else, well…
We will see, you might end up being right. If he leaves Cleveland and then has success somewhere else, well…
Sometimes I'd rather be wrong; and this feels like one of those... One thing is for sure and I think we'll all agree - the Browns gotta be healthy consumers in the draft moving forward. The 2025 draft for the Browns got the train back on the tracks. Maybe even at QB by accident...
If QB is the most important position of every NFL franchise - leaving Raggedy Ann & Andy equivalents in charge of our pass pro on the edges is inexcusable.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
After knee and Achilles issues, the doubts are warranted. That said, modern medicine is a hell of a thing. When I was a kid, a shredded knee was a death sentence.
Mostly it was his "complete" ability at QB, having a physical and mentally complimentary game. He had great abilities between the ears, then his physical attributes bolstered that.
Bringing Watson on board there was a clear shift from the UC/ outside zone and PAP that was 30% of the offense to a more gun-based, vertical zone with more RPO's, glances, post-snap sight adjusts and a high percentage intermediate game. There was also a targeted change in personnel, namely along the OL moving towards bigger bodies that would be working in shorter space. (Think, like Dawand but not quite that scale for every OL target)
I can't agree that there wasn't a sizable conversation on what may have been needed to further tailor the Browns to an offense that more resembled some of what the Texans had run.
I don't think he woke up dumb. But when Watson finally looked like he was getting up to speed, he had a season ending injury against Baltimore and never recovered. I was as patient with Watson as anyone, but what he put on film wasn't great. He struggled at times to execute even the most fundamental things.
Nick Saban couldn't beat an NFL wash out in Cardale Jones with a 21-6 lead. He couldn't consistently stop Johnny Manziel either. While his defenses are a benchmark, they aren't the end-all.
Not enough sample size to look smarter elsewhere? Not saying it isn't possible, just unlikely. He took a lot of sacks in Houston. Some because of the OL, some because he tried too much to play hero ball and to carry the offense.
While I appreciate your points - I'm just frustrated that out of the 3 teams Watson played for at Clemson, Houston and Cleveland - Cleveland was the only one that had enormous trouble coordinating and running the type of offense he was fit to succeed in.
In Houston Watson made 3 Pro Bowls and led that team to the playoffs 3 different times in the first 4 years of the guy's NFL career. I shared the stats; and I agree with you that he took far too many sacks from holding onto the ball too long (like a lot of young QBs - ie; CJ Stroud as recently as last year). Nothing ever unfolded here that made him anywhere near as efficient as he was in Houston. I didn't see the massive effort to strengthen the OL once this trade was made. The Browns were stuck on park with 2 oft-injured Tackles: Wills and Conklin. Having said that, this gave 4th round draft pick OT - Dawand Jones a chance to play RT & LT prior to him ending all 3 of his seasons on IR. Bitonio was already here since 2014; and Teller came via trade with Buffalo in 2019 while Pocic arrived in 2022. The only depth drafted was C - Luke Wypler in round 6 and OG - Zak Zinter in round 3 coming off brutal compound fractures to his Tibia & Fibula in the Ohio State-Michigan game. There's a lot of depreciated value in the OL and all 3 QBs this year have felt it.
Before the NFL per Google, Deshaun Watson had a decorated college career at Clemson from 2014 to 2016, leading the Tigers to the 2016 national championship (played in January 2017) and becoming a two-time Heisman Trophy finalist. He set numerous school records and finished his career with a 32-3 record as a starter.Career Overview and AccomplishmentsWatson's accomplishments at Clemson included leading the team to a national championship victory in the 2016 season against Alabama and being a two-time Heisman finalist. He won the Davey O'Brien Award and the Manning Award multiple times.Career StatisticsOver 38 games, Watson's career statistics included:Statistic Total Passing Yards 10,163 Passing Touchdowns 90 Rushing Yards 1,936 Rushing Touchdowns 26 Completion Percentage 67.4% Watson was known for performing well in significant games. This included setting a school record for passing touchdowns in his first start in 2014 and setting a game record for total offense in the 2015 National Championship. In the 2016 National Championship, he led the game-winning drive against Alabama. For more details on his notable games, visit the Clemson Tigers official athletics site.
While I appreciate your points - I'm just frustrated that out of the 3 teams Watson played for at Clemson, Houston and Cleveland - Cleveland was the only one that had enormous trouble coordinating and running the type of offense he was fit to succeed in.
Can't really count Clemson. With that line of logic, no college QB should fail to succeed in their game translating to the NFL.
In Houston Watson made 3 Pro Bowls and led that team to the playoffs 3 different times in the first 4 years of the guy's NFL career. I shared the stats; and I agree with you that he took far too many sacks from holding onto the ball too long (like a lot of young QBs - ie; CJ Stroud as recently as last year). Nothing ever unfolded here that made him anywhere near as efficient as he was in Houston. I didn't see the massive effort to strengthen the OL once this trade was made.
When the trade was made, the IOL was top 5. The tackles, while not amazing, were at least a league average group. Superior QB's have made due with much less.
The Browns were stuck on park with 2 oft-injured Tackles: Wills and Conklin. Having said that, this gave 4th round draft pick OT - Dawand Jones a chance to play RT & LT prior to him ending all 3 of his seasons on IR. Bitonio was already here since 2014; and Teller came via trade with Buffalo in 2019 while Pocic arrived in 2022. The only depth drafted was C - Luke Wypler in round 6 and OG - Zak Zinter in round 3 coming off brutal compound fractures to his Tibia & Fibula in the Ohio State-Michigan game. There's a lot of depreciated value in the OL and all 3 QBs this year have felt it.
This reminds me of what I warned people about before the 2022 season. Minimal investment along the IDL for multiple drafts. And what little investment was made either went out the door or didn't pan out.
The OL has been getting old for a while now. Combine that with injuries and there should have been a greater foresight by the front office. However much of their strategy involved one thing - hope. Hope that good health and fortune would prevail. Especially in regard to Dawand and Conklin.
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I agree, like the line at the end of First Blood:
"It's over Johnny, it's over."
I didn't want the Browns to trade for Watson, because deep down I thought the only way he'd be able to succeed after all the off-field nonsense, all the negativity that surrounded him was if he was a straight-up sociopath. I worried that he'd never be able to move past all the drama in his life, all the chirping in his ears, being hated everywhere he went. Most people/players want to be liked. There are few people who enjoy being the bad guy, and he was the bad guy not because of what he did on the field (like Draymond Green or Bill Laimbeer) but because of what he did off it.
Not only were my worries about this found to be true, but he went from a guy who never missed time with injuries to a guy whose body started failing him - and these weren't minor injuries. His shoulder broke. He tore his Achilles twice.
But wait - there's more: What we never heard until a year or so into his Browns run was stories from Houston on how years into his NFL career he was still always looking towards the sideline for help on what to do. He was pretty much force-fed everything with the Texans. And yes, he was a top 5 QB with Houston, it appears his success was a house of cards. Another giant problem was how poorly paired Watson and Stefanski were.
I have never heard/read any stories on the last part.
On the pairing, I have always felt that was more Watson than Steff. With the skills Watson had, I never understood why he would not want to play in a PA base scheme that made it easier for him. As fat as I am concerned PA from the gun doesn't do much
I have never heard/read any stories on the last part.
On the pairing, I have always felt that was more Watson than Steff. With the skills Watson had, I never understood why he would not want to play in a PA base scheme that made it easier for him. As fat as I am concerned PA from the gun doesn't do much
I know I'm one of the younger (youngest?) guys on the board, but I can't stress how much the game at the developmental levels, jr high, high school and college, has changed.
4 years ago I got into assistant coaching and was flat out told by the QB I was working with that he had never been under center or turned his back to a defense.
Gun based things tend to allow us to work more quick hitting passes from RPO looks with greater field vision and confidence. Let's say I'm running a solo glance against a +1 box and basing my read off the leverage of the weak backer, I'm damn well sure I wouldn't be under center. What I'm conveying is that, as coaches moved to create designs that "manufactured" more yards, we ended up hurting our players because we didn't ask more of them. And when we didn't push them out of the comfort zones, they didn't improve on the mechanics of staple things - UC work and PAP.
The fact college got away from being under center so much, even with the QB centric running game, never made much sense to me. The range of things you can implement from under center is incredible. Good news is, I've seen us coming full circle and going back under center more at the lowest levels.
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We will see, you might end up being right. If he leaves Cleveland and then has success somewhere else, well…
Sometimes I'd rather be wrong; and this feels like one of those... One thing is for sure and I think we'll all agree - the Browns gotta be healthy consumers in the draft moving forward. The 2025 draft for the Browns got the train back on the tracks. Maybe even at QB by accident...
If QB is the most important position of every NFL franchise - leaving Raggedy Ann & Andy equivalents in charge of our pass pro on the edges is inexcusable.
Sometimes I'd rather be wrong; and this feels like one of those... One thing is for sure and I think we'll all agree - the Browns gotta be healthy consumers in the draft moving forward. The 2025 draft for the Browns got the train back on the tracks. Maybe even at QB by accident...
If QB is the most important position of every NFL franchise - leaving Raggedy Ann & Andy equivalents in charge of our pass pro on the edges is inexcusable.
That being said, I would be shocked if Watson ever got even close to his 2018-20 form.
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Sometimes I'd rather be wrong; and this feels like one of those... One thing is for sure and I think we'll all agree - the Browns gotta be healthy consumers in the draft moving forward. The 2025 draft for the Browns got the train back on the tracks. Maybe even at QB by accident...
If QB is the most important position of every NFL franchise - leaving Raggedy Ann & Andy equivalents in charge of our pass pro on the edges is inexcusable.
That being said, I would be shocked if Watson ever got even close to his 2018-20 form.
That being said, I would be shocked if Watson ever got even close to his 2018-20 form.
Yeah that ship has sailed. What am I talking about? It never sailed - it sunk!
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I have never heard/read any stories on the last part.
On the pairing, I have always felt that was more Watson than Steff. With the skills Watson had, I never understood why he would not want to play in a PA base scheme that made it easier for him. As fat as I am concerned PA from the gun doesn't do much
I know I'm one of the younger (youngest?) guys on the board, but I can't stress how much the game at the developmental levels, jr high, high school and college, has changed.
4 years ago I got into assistant coaching and was flat out told by the QB I was working with that he had never been under center or turned his back to a defense.
Gun based things tend to allow us to work more quick hitting passes from RPO looks with greater field vision and confidence. Let's say I'm running a solo glance against a +1 box and basing my read off the leverage of the weak backer, I'm damn well sure I wouldn't be under center. What I'm conveying is that, as coaches moved to create designs that "manufactured" more yards, we ended up hurting our players because we didn't ask more of them. And when we didn't push them out of the comfort zones, they didn't improve on the mechanics of staple things - UC work and PAP.
The fact college got away from being under center so much, even with the QB centric running game, never made much sense to me. The range of things you can implement from under center is incredible. Good news is, I've seen us coming full circle and going back under center more at the lowest levels.
I know I'm one of the younger (youngest?) guys on the board, but I can't stress how much the game at the developmental levels, jr high, high school and college, has changed.
4 years ago I got into assistant coaching and was flat out told by the QB I was working with that he had never been under center or turned his back to a defense.
Gun based things tend to allow us to work more quick hitting passes from RPO looks with greater field vision and confidence. Let's say I'm running a solo glance against a +1 box and basing my read off the leverage of the weak backer, I'm damn well sure I wouldn't be under center. What I'm conveying is that, as coaches moved to create designs that "manufactured" more yards, we ended up hurting our players because we didn't ask more of them. And when we didn't push them out of the comfort zones, they didn't improve on the mechanics of staple things - UC work and PAP.
The fact college got away from being under center so much, even with the QB centric running game, never made much sense to me. The range of things you can implement from under center is incredible. Good news is, I've seen us coming full circle and going back under center more at the lowest levels.
College coaches are not developing players, they are trying to win and generate revenue. Its why NFL game in part started to incorporate more of that style with you QBs. No choice
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I know I'm one of the younger (youngest?) guys on the board, but I can't stress how much the game at the developmental levels, jr high, high school and college, has changed.
4 years ago I got into assistant coaching and was flat out told by the QB I was working with that he had never been under center or turned his back to a defense.
Gun based things tend to allow us to work more quick hitting passes from RPO looks with greater field vision and confidence. Let's say I'm running a solo glance against a +1 box and basing my read off the leverage of the weak backer, I'm damn well sure I wouldn't be under center. What I'm conveying is that, as coaches moved to create designs that "manufactured" more yards, we ended up hurting our players because we didn't ask more of them. And when we didn't push them out of the comfort zones, they didn't improve on the mechanics of staple things - UC work and PAP.
The fact college got away from being under center so much, even with the QB centric running game, never made much sense to me. The range of things you can implement from under center is incredible. Good news is, I've seen us coming full circle and going back under center more at the lowest levels.
College coaches are not developing players, they are trying to win and generate revenue. Its why NFL game in part started to incorporate more of that style with you QBs. No choice
College coaches are not developing players, they are trying to win and generate revenue. Its why NFL game in part started to incorporate more of that style with you QBs. No choice
They are developing players. But it's to the extent and to what end they are developing players. I've said it before, but a lot of what we do anymore is a "nanny-state" offense.
Brady summarized words that I was struggling to find, but what he's saying here carries a great deal of weight with me.
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College coaches are not developing players, they are trying to win and generate revenue. Its why NFL game in part started to incorporate more of that style with you QBs. No choice
They are developing players. But it's to the extent and to what end they are developing players. I've said it before, but a lot of what we do anymore is a "nanny-state" offense.
Brady summarized words that I was struggling to find, but what he's saying here carries a great deal of weight with me.
They are developing players. But it's to the extent and to what end they are developing players. I've said it before, but a lot of what we do anymore is a "nanny-state" offense.
Brady summarized words that I was struggling to find, but what he's saying here carries a great deal of weight with me.
Yeah, when I say not developing I mean for the next level. Today, at the college level (or even below) the "development" is to suit the programs needs, not for the player long term needs. Don't get me wrong, i understand why it is that way.
If I were to take it out of the sports world and in to say the business world, most bosses are going to "coach" to what they need for their goals, not to what is actually long term best for the employee long term goals.
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Rumor says Kylar Murray is looking for houses in Strongsville.
Giggety
He might be shorter than Gabriel. It would look like a bunch of Keebler Elves in the meeting room when QBs have their meetings with the offensive coaches.
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could this be a tip of the hat as our plans for next years draft ? and if so I would keep Stefanski for one more year and unless the team balls out bring in a new coach with out new QB via the draft
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could this be a tip of the hat as our plans for next years draft ? and if so I would keep Stefanski for one more year and unless the team balls out bring in a new coach with out new QB via the draft
could this be a tip of the hat as our plans for next years draft ? and if so I would keep Stefanski for one more year and unless the team balls out bring in a new coach with out new QB via the draft
This news is not surprising in any bit. The contract always made releasing him next year a problem. Him working with the QBs has been known since camp.
The only things which would change CLE approach to taking a first round QB in the 2026 draft are a) they cant get one of the QBs they view as such in the draft b) Sanders plays so well down the stretch that he earns going in to 2026 as the starter.
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