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  • Met some friends up in Cleveland, got an Airbnb a couple houses down from the Christmas Story House, got dinner at Mabel's and watched Ohio State win a thrilling double OT game vs West Virginia by one point Saturday. 

    Got up and walked down to the Rowley Inn (like Mabel's, I highly recommend this place) for a great breakfast, then drove north to Ohio City and grabbed a few drinks at a place called the Old Angle Tavern, a nice Irish bar.

    Then the Browns game started. 

    Sigh. ?

    @dutch-oven said:

    Met some friends up in Cleveland, got an Airbnb a couple houses down from the Christmas Story House, got dinner at Mabel's and watched Ohio State win a thrilling double OT game vs West Virginia by one point Saturday. 

    Got up and walked down to the Rowley Inn (like Mabel's, I highly recommend this place) for a great breakfast, then drove north to Ohio City and grabbed a few drinks at a place called the Old Angle Tavern, a nice Irish bar.

    Then the Browns game started. 

    Sigh. ?

    we stayed at a Hilton the entire area decked out for the holidays, well the next morning we went to a place called grits and gravy (one of the few black owned restaurants in the city) food was awesome and we made our way to the train station, A half hour delay turned into a 2 hour delay, so we found a sports bar ( called fields , a real nice place for the location) all I can say is thank god for alcohol cause that was some ugly ass shit to watch, oh well Portland is not burning down as some orange guy said and I did not see any homeless eating cats or dogs

  • All-22 was out early today.    Bears picked up where TEN left off last week with the run DEF issues.

    Once they got Mikey Hall and/or Sam Kamara on the field, they had efficient runs then explosive runs.   Even Shelby Harris struggled at times.   Browns are losing the battle on the IDL more and more without Maliek Collins.   

    A couple questionable designs (so far) by Schwartz when the Bears went heavy(ier) and ran the ball, and some non-existent defensive checks that should absolutely have happened when CHI went with their 2 TE, YY looks.  

    Defense did an admirable job cleaning things up after the first couple drives, but the lack of offensive support only lasts so long in the modern NFL.

  • @ibleedbrown said:

    The good news is the Bears seemed to fix their Oline in one off season. I recall during the broadcast they talked about how they got a new center and 2 new guards, so the IOL was brand new as of this year. 

    If they can do it, maybe we can too.

    Problem is I believe the three interior OLinemen they got were all veterans acquired through trades/free agency.

    Our cap problems makes doing something like that difficult 

    @dutch-oven said:

    Problem is I believe the three interior OLinemen they got were all veterans acquired through trades/free agency.

    Our cap problems makes doing something like that difficult 

    I'm not aiming this at you as much as it is an ideal place to put it.  We can draft 2 Tackles this year within the 1st 3 picks and get a very good WR with the other one.  Again, Tackle volume isn't deep in this draft so it isn't the type of draft you can wait for 2 positions that sunk this team all year.  

  • @ibleedbrown said:

    The good news is the Bears seemed to fix their Oline in one off season. I recall during the broadcast they talked about how they got a new center and 2 new guards, so the IOL was brand new as of this year. 

    If they can do it, maybe we can too.

    Problem is I believe the three interior OLinemen they got were all veterans acquired through trades/free agency.

    Our cap problems makes doing something like that difficult 

    @dutch-oven said:

    Problem is I believe the three interior OLinemen they got were all veterans acquired through trades/free agency.

    Our cap problems makes doing something like that difficult 

    Be that as it may, our IOL guys are paid mighty well already, so it stands to reason we can afford it. There were a few plays the Bears’ IOL really popped. The push was noticeable. 

  • @dutch-oven said:

    Problem is I believe the three interior OLinemen they got were all veterans acquired through trades/free agency.

    Our cap problems makes doing something like that difficult 

    Be that as it may, our IOL guys are paid mighty well already, so it stands to reason we can afford it. There were a few plays the Bears’ IOL really popped. The push was noticeable. 

    @ibleedbrown said:

    Be that as it may, our IOL guys are paid mighty well already, so it stands to reason we can afford it. There were a few plays the Bears’ IOL really popped. The push was noticeable. 

     Wasn't *just* the push - Ben Johnson has done a great job getting his OL setup to utilize good angles by design.  

     Players have to win their assignment and be setup to win that assignment.  

     All credit to the Bears coaching staff, it's an impressive young group so far. They've improved defensively as the season has gone on as well. 

  • sydS syd

    @dutch-oven said:

    Met some friends up in Cleveland, got an Airbnb a couple houses down from the Christmas Story House, got dinner at Mabel's and watched Ohio State win a thrilling double OT game vs West Virginia by one point Saturday. 

    Got up and walked down to the Rowley Inn (like Mabel's, I highly recommend this place) for a great breakfast, then drove north to Ohio City and grabbed a few drinks at a place called the Old Angle Tavern, a nice Irish bar.

    Then the Browns game started. 

    Sigh. ?

    we stayed at a Hilton the entire area decked out for the holidays, well the next morning we went to a place called grits and gravy (one of the few black owned restaurants in the city) food was awesome and we made our way to the train station, A half hour delay turned into a 2 hour delay, so we found a sports bar ( called fields , a real nice place for the location) all I can say is thank god for alcohol cause that was some ugly ass shit to watch, oh well Portland is not burning down as some orange guy said and I did not see any homeless eating cats or dogs

    @syd said:

    we stayed at a Hilton the entire area decked out for the holidays, well the next morning we went to a place called grits and gravy (one of the few black owned restaurants in the city) food was awesome and we made our way to the train station, A half hour delay turned into a 2 hour delay, so we found a sports bar ( called fields , a real nice place for the location) all I can say is thank god for alcohol cause that was some ugly ass shit to watch, oh well Portland is not burning down as some orange guy said and I did not see any homeless eating cats or dogs

    Did you have grits or gravy? Or both? 

    I like to put jelly in my grits. I know that’s an embarrassing thing to admit.

    Biscuits and gravy is one of my most favoritest things in the world. Splash some hot sauce on it. That’s basically how l imagine heaven. 

  • @syd said:

    we stayed at a Hilton the entire area decked out for the holidays, well the next morning we went to a place called grits and gravy (one of the few black owned restaurants in the city) food was awesome and we made our way to the train station, A half hour delay turned into a 2 hour delay, so we found a sports bar ( called fields , a real nice place for the location) all I can say is thank god for alcohol cause that was some ugly ass shit to watch, oh well Portland is not burning down as some orange guy said and I did not see any homeless eating cats or dogs

    Did you have grits or gravy? Or both? 

    I like to put jelly in my grits. I know that’s an embarrassing thing to admit.

    Biscuits and gravy is one of my most favoritest things in the world. Splash some hot sauce on it. That’s basically how l imagine heaven. 

    @ibleedbrown said:

    Did you have grits or gravy? Or both? 

    I like to put jelly in my grits. I know that’s an embarrassing thing to admit.

    Biscuits and gravy is one of my most favoritest things in the world. Splash some hot sauce on it. That’s basically how l imagine heaven. 

    LOL I had corned beef hash, the wife had grits and shrimp, very rich and tasty, next time i go there I want to try their bread pudding french toast

  • sydS syd

    @ibleedbrown said:

    Did you have grits or gravy? Or both? 

    I like to put jelly in my grits. I know that’s an embarrassing thing to admit.

    Biscuits and gravy is one of my most favoritest things in the world. Splash some hot sauce on it. That’s basically how l imagine heaven. 

    LOL I had corned beef hash, the wife had grits and shrimp, very rich and tasty, next time i go there I want to try their bread pudding french toast

    @syd said:

    LOL I had corned beef hash, the wife had grits and shrimp, very rich and tasty, next time i go there I want to try their bread pudding french toast

    Corned beef hash? Are you hip to goetta? I know you got some Cincy ties. 

  • @syd said:

    LOL I had corned beef hash, the wife had grits and shrimp, very rich and tasty, next time i go there I want to try their bread pudding french toast

    Corned beef hash? Are you hip to goetta? I know you got some Cincy ties. 

    @ibleedbrown said:

    Corned beef hash? Are you hip to goetta? I know you got some Cincy ties. 

    is that anything like scrapple ? i got from Pennsylvania

  • @ibleedbrown said:

    Be that as it may, our IOL guys are paid mighty well already, so it stands to reason we can afford it. There were a few plays the Bears’ IOL really popped. The push was noticeable. 

     Wasn't *just* the push - Ben Johnson has done a great job getting his OL setup to utilize good angles by design.  

     Players have to win their assignment and be setup to win that assignment.  

     All credit to the Bears coaching staff, it's an impressive young group so far. They've improved defensively as the season has gone on as well. 

    @tiamat63 said:

     Wasn't *just* the push - Ben Johnson has done a great job getting his OL setup to utilize good angles by design.  

     Players have to win their assignment and be setup to win that assignment.  

     All credit to the Bears coaching staff, it's an impressive young group so far. They've improved defensively as the season has gone on as well. 

    Yes, this is reason #2 in my mind that we need to part ways with Stefanski. A HC & staff changes could make a huge difference. 

    It's just a shame that everything has sunk to this level of performance. Stefanski was 37-30 at one point, but it's time to move on. 

    Berry didn't hire KS, so if he's canned, AB will "get his guy," although a new coach will have the same type of roster/salary cap issues. 

  • @tiamat63 said:

     Wasn't *just* the push - Ben Johnson has done a great job getting his OL setup to utilize good angles by design.  

     Players have to win their assignment and be setup to win that assignment.  

     All credit to the Bears coaching staff, it's an impressive young group so far. They've improved defensively as the season has gone on as well. 

    Yes, this is reason #2 in my mind that we need to part ways with Stefanski. A HC & staff changes could make a huge difference. 

    It's just a shame that everything has sunk to this level of performance. Stefanski was 37-30 at one point, but it's time to move on. 

    Berry didn't hire KS, so if he's canned, AB will "get his guy," although a new coach will have the same type of roster/salary cap issues. 

    @bob806 said:

    Berry didn't hire KS, so if he's canned, AB will "get his guy," although a new coach will have the same type of roster/salary cap issues. 

     Can't really expect things to change while inheriting the same roster issues then. 

     Almost feels like we've really arrived at a bit of a causality. 

  • sydS syd

    @ibleedbrown said:

    Corned beef hash? Are you hip to goetta? I know you got some Cincy ties. 

    is that anything like scrapple ? i got from Pennsylvania

    @syd said:

    is that anything like scrapple ? i got from Pennsylvania

    It is likened to scrapple. It’s basically pork belly, steel cut oats and spices mixed into a damn fine breakfast sausage type thing. It’s German in origin, and a big deal in Cincy. 

    You have ties to Cincy yeah?

  • @ibleedbrown said:

    The good news is the Bears seemed to fix their Oline in one off season. I recall during the broadcast they talked about how they got a new center and 2 new guards, so the IOL was brand new as of this year. 

    If they can do it, maybe we can too.

    Problem is I believe the three interior OLinemen they got were all veterans acquired through trades/free agency.

    Our cap problems makes doing something like that difficult 

    @dutch-oven said:

    /free agency.

    Our cap problems makes doing something like that difficult 

    We've got to bring in one veteran who can hold a spot down in FA.   And then draft more.

  • I say we keep Stefanski. He’s easily the best coach we’ve had since “the return” and l don’t think there’s any question about that. Give him another year.

  • I say we keep Stefanski. He’s easily the best coach we’ve had since “the return” and l don’t think there’s any question about that. Give him another year.

    @ibleedbrown said:

    I say we keep Stefanski. He’s easily the best coach we’ve had since “the return” and l don’t think there’s any question about that. Give him another year.

    At the moment, I give that about a 15% chance of happening.  

  • @syd said:

    is that anything like scrapple ? i got from Pennsylvania

    It is likened to scrapple. It’s basically pork belly, steel cut oats and spices mixed into a damn fine breakfast sausage type thing. It’s German in origin, and a big deal in Cincy. 

    You have ties to Cincy yeah?

    @ibleedbrown said:

    It is likened to scrapple. It’s basically pork belly, steel cut oats and spices mixed into a damn fine breakfast sausage type thing. It’s German in origin, and a big deal in Cincy. 

    You have ties to Cincy yeah?

    nope just Columbus anymore

  • I say we keep Stefanski. He’s easily the best coach we’ve had since “the return” and l don’t think there’s any question about that. Give him another year.

    @ibleedbrown said:

    I say we keep Stefanski. He’s easily the best coach we’ve had since “the return” and l don’t think there’s any question about that. Give him another year.

    I was in that camp as well, but there's something clearly wrong.

    • either he forgot how to coach (doubtful) or his players aren't listening/learning
    • the Special Teams haven't improved on kick coverage or kick blocking; the punter was damn near all-pro and basically stinks now; is this a roster problem (depth) or coaching?
    • Stefanski used to beat Cincy, Baltimore, & Pittsburgh, this year 0-4

    Ultimately, with the front office, players, and coaches doing a year-end season review, if the players have lost confidence in the HC he's toast. 

  • @ibleedbrown said:

    I say we keep Stefanski. He’s easily the best coach we’ve had since “the return” and l don’t think there’s any question about that. Give him another year.

    I was in that camp as well, but there's something clearly wrong.

    • either he forgot how to coach (doubtful) or his players aren't listening/learning
    • the Special Teams haven't improved on kick coverage or kick blocking; the punter was damn near all-pro and basically stinks now; is this a roster problem (depth) or coaching?
    • Stefanski used to beat Cincy, Baltimore, & Pittsburgh, this year 0-4

    Ultimately, with the front office, players, and coaches doing a year-end season review, if the players have lost confidence in the HC he's toast. 

    @bob806 said:

    I was in that camp as well, but there's something clearly wrong.

    • either he forgot how to coach (doubtful) or his players aren't listening/learning
    • the Special Teams haven't improved on kick coverage or kick blocking; the punter was damn near all-pro and basically stinks now; is this a roster problem (depth) or coaching?
    • Stefanski used to beat Cincy, Baltimore, & Pittsburgh, this year 0-4

    Ultimately, with the front office, players, and coaches doing a year-end season review, if the players have lost confidence in the HC he's toast. 

    I got a theory. He’s trying to get fired. He wants out of this shitshow. I say we call his bluff and make him continue coaching this shitshow. It’ll force him to be a good coach again. 

  • @bob806 said:

    I was in that camp as well, but there's something clearly wrong.

    • either he forgot how to coach (doubtful) or his players aren't listening/learning
    • the Special Teams haven't improved on kick coverage or kick blocking; the punter was damn near all-pro and basically stinks now; is this a roster problem (depth) or coaching?
    • Stefanski used to beat Cincy, Baltimore, & Pittsburgh, this year 0-4

    Ultimately, with the front office, players, and coaches doing a year-end season review, if the players have lost confidence in the HC he's toast. 

    I got a theory. He’s trying to get fired. He wants out of this shitshow. I say we call his bluff and make him continue coaching this shitshow. It’ll force him to be a good coach again. 

    @ibleedbrown said:

    I got a theory. He’s trying to get fired. He wants out of this shitshow. I say we call his bluff and make him continue coaching this shitshow. It’ll force him to be a good coach again. 

    I believe if we draft a qb with our top pick then we would want a new coach to grow with him, but if we stick with sanders  keep stefanski and let the shit continue till 27 then we can draft Manning with the first over all pick

  • sydS syd

    @ibleedbrown said:

    I got a theory. He’s trying to get fired. He wants out of this shitshow. I say we call his bluff and make him continue coaching this shitshow. It’ll force him to be a good coach again. 

    I believe if we draft a qb with our top pick then we would want a new coach to grow with him, but if we stick with sanders  keep stefanski and let the shit continue till 27 then we can draft Manning with the first over all pick

    @syd said:

    I believe if we draft a qb with our top pick then we would want a new coach to grow with him, but if we stick with sanders  keep stefanski and let the shit continue till 27 then we can draft Manning with the first over all pick

    We’ll goetta good coach one way or another.